NationStates Jolt Archive

Christ, I only saw him on SNL's The Best of Christopher Reeve back a few weeks and I loved his acts! Even though that was my first and virtually only credible impression of him, I think it's safe to assume that this is a NEGATIVE thing, no?

Or am I just going to get the same replies as those who first announced that Reagan was dead a few months back in NS?

yeah I just read about this. Kinda bummed :(

Just saw on TV.

Sad.

So much for the stem cell research lobby.

http://www.drudgereport.com/cr.jpg

Super man is dead, Long live Superman!

http://www.elainefineart.com/kaufman/kaufman_the_death_of_superman.jpg
Thank you, Superman...

Huh? Is there a link to a story or somethin'? Geeze ... and he was actually getting better ...

*sigh*

Edit: Never mind ... just found it.

*bigger sigh*

I read it on the Drudge Report (http://www.drudgereport.com/).

http://www.gormanfilms.com/upload/cnnreeve.jpg

He's dead.

Saw it on the news about 30 minutes ago..

Or am I just going to get the same replies as those who first announced that Reagan was dead a few months back in NS?

No, because Christopher Reeve didn't kill thousands of Latin Americans or have the CIA subvert democracy.

No, because Christopher Reeve didn't kill thousands of Latin Americans or have the CIA subvert democracy.

On the other hand he didnt guide the world through a period of time where we were a hairsbreadth away from extinction.

But hey, he flew around on a blue screen in dayglo pajamas.

dayglo pajamas beat funding death squads and dictators and encouraging rampant jingoism any day of the week.

dayglo pajamas beat funding death squads and dictators and encouraging rampant jingoism any day of the week.

I suppose that depends on your point of view, now doesn't it?

This was bound to happen as the life expectency for someone in his condition was around 10 years max anyway. People should have prepared themselves for this.

BTW: Maybe someone could fly around the earth really fast, and make him not fall off of his horsey.

PS-Gotta love that Reagen and all of that evilness.

Don't forget about the time Reagan fired a bunch of air traffic controllers and caused four plane crahes in one week.

Or Iran-Contra. Hellooooo?

Plus the fact that he was the cause of the continuance of the Cold War. Gorbachev wanted to stop the weapons build up, but Reagan kept breaking promises and going behind the Russians back, like some quasi-Sadaam Hussein.

Oh c'mon guys leave Ronnie out of this. It's Chris' thread. He was a cool dude, very brave.

Too bad Lois Lane was so goddamn ugly. They shoulda had a hotter chick. :D

Oh c'mon guys leave Ronnie out of this. It's Chris' thread. He was a cool dude, very brave.

Too bad Lois Lane was so goddamn ugly. They shoulda had a hotter chick. :D

Yes, it takes a whole lot of bravery to sit in a wheelchair and slobber! ;)

Or Iran-Contra. Hellooooo?

Plus the fact that he was the cause of the continuance of the Cold War. Gorbachev wanted to stop the weapons build up, but Reagan kept breaking promises and going behind the Russians back, like some quasi-Sadaam Hussein.


Were the Russians playing along as well? Doubtful! Sorry but I think the President knew a little more about what was going on during the Cold War then you or me. Many secrets will never see the light of day.

Oh c'mon guys leave Ronnie out of this. It's Chris' thread. He was a cool dude, very brave.

Too bad Lois Lane was so goddamn ugly. They shoulda had a hotter chick. :D

They should have found someone better for Reeve's part. He sucked it big time.

Too bad that a human died, however, my opinions of Reeve are pretty mush like Maddox' thoughts. (http://www.maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=creeve)


Why is Reeve an asshole?

Simple: because he's selfish. Reeve didn't give a shit about paralysis before his accident, but now that he's paralyzed, suddenly he opens up a paralysis foundation and cares about the plight of cripples? Where was his foundation in '95 when he played the role of a man with spinal cord injury? Sure, some of you might argue that he's doing a good thing by bringing attention to paralysis, but the underlying message being sent here is that nobody gives a shit about cripples until a celebrity becomes one.

What really pisses me off about Reeve is the sheer arrogance. Look up a Reeve biography and you'll find praise like "he has now found new meaning in life." Let me tell you something: any time you find new meaning in life because of a debilitating injury, your "old" life didn't have much meaning. Paralysis could strike anyone at any time, and if you're living your life in such a way that all your goals require the use of your arms and legs, then your life probably doesn't mean much to begin with. I'm sure people who were born paralyzed don't appreciate being told that their lives "have meaning too," as if they need affirmation from people who spend most of their lives working to pay off stupid bullshit like sports cars, expensive houses, and other junk that they don't need.

The "still living life to the fullest" doctrine pisses me off even more because you can almost hear a voice in your head that finishes off the sentence with "...as a cripple." What does it mean to "still live life to the fullest"? Why should it require any extra effort or energy, or the addition of the word "still" in front if you were living your life "to the fullest" to begin with? What can physical mobility afford you that pure thought can't alone? It's so gracious of Mr. Reeve to acknowledge that you can "still" live a meaningful life, even as a cripple. I'm sure that people who struggle with paralysis every day are exuberant at having someone champion their cause, it's just too bad that Reeve is in all likelihood doing it because he cares about himself first and foremost. Would he have opened up a paralysis foundation before the accident? Doubtful. Of course, we can never know for sure, but the fact remains that he didn't open up a foundation before the accident, and he poured his heart and soul into research afterwards, so the only conclusion that can be made is that he's doing it simply because he himself needs treatment.

The fact that he's helping thousands of people as he helps himself is a side effect of his cure; not necessarily his intention. I have little doubt that Mr. Reeve would work as hard to find a cure for paralysis if he was one of only a hand full of victims, so I don't think he deserves praise for this "good deed," because if it was intentional on his part to help these people, he probably would have had a paralysis foundation before the accident occurred.

I didn't have any beef with Reeve before his accident, but it's the praise he collects for his selfishness that makes him an asshole in my book. If tomorrow Reeve selflessly dedicated all of his time and effort--or even half of it--towards finding a cure for cancer or heart disease, he'd have my respect (not that he's trying to earn my respect, but having my respect is an awesome privilege). Hell, he'd earn my respect if he just cut the condescending bullshit for a few minutes, such as this prize quote "I've noticed that there are very few roles for people in chairs... I would like to see people with disabilities featured sympathetically." No shit? As opposed to all those other movies that show people with disabilities being demonized? Like it happens so often anyway. Why should people with disabilities be featured any more sympathetically than people without disabilities? If his goal is to live a normal life, how normal could his life be if all his future roles were "sympathetic"? Oh look, here comes the cripple, everyone act sympathetic regardless of the plot, because real life cripples never experience conflict or drama. If I were in a wheel chair, I'd want an ass kicking role where I would spend the entire movie running over people's fingers and tossing old ladies off of cliffs, not some suck-ass sissy role where I'd sit around and cry like a pussy.

Interestingly it is the start of British Back Week. Where we are all encouraged to take care of our backs.

hehe, Maddox nailed it on the head, didn't he?

The majority of us never give a shit about any group of sick/injured people until we end up there. I wouldn't say we're all assholes for it. But that's just maddox exageration ;).

And I like the part about "sympathetic roles" for people in chairs...if I ever make it in Hollywood, there WILL be a movie with an ass-kicking guy in a wheelchair. :D

Interestingly it is the start of British Back Week. Where we are all encouraged to take care of our backs.

If you go jumping your horse, always throw your hands out in front of you so you don't crush your sweet, sweet spinal do-hickey thing-amajiggers. An arm will heal, but that spine won't be find.

BTW-This little tune could help you remember spine safety:

When driving her home
Place that phone on hold
Because if you are so bold
she will moan

Until your spinal cord is snapped
like a stick that comes from a tree
it might even make you pee

Watch out for that tree
your spine is confused
and will be fused..

Protect your neck (http://www.three-stooges.com/3-stooges.jpg)

How can that "tune" help us remember to take care of our backs when we can't hear the "tune" and the rhyming sounds like its written by a four-year old. No offense intended to the talented four-year olds who wrote it.

How can that "tune" help us remember to take care of our backs when we can't hear the "tune" and the rhyming sounds like its written by a four-year old. No offense intended to the talented four-year olds who wrote it.

It teaches us to always yield, and to always protect your neck. It does have a tune it goes do do do do do do do do do do. Follow along and enjoy.

BTW-It's not my fault you are a Faulknerian Idiot Man-Child who can't read or understand humor!! So sorry, but in old Mexico City they say AMF.

There is one interesting similarity between Reagon and Reeves -- they both could have benefited from STEM CELL research! Too bad Bush doesn't believe in science.

There is one interesting similarity between Reagon and Reeves -- they both could have benefited from STEM CELL research! Too bad Bush doesn't believe in science.

Could have is not the same as would have. Try using might have. Your "science" has not yet been "proven".

BTW why worry so much about stem cells? We still can't cure cancer, heart disease, AIDS, lupus, Lou Gehrigs disease, or even the common cold. When they come up with a cure for the cold, then I say throw all the cash we can at stem cell research.

PS-Michael J Fox is an asshat. Way to be for a cause once you have a disease. Thanks for not speaking out against something when you were not diseased.

Oh c'mon guys leave Ronnie out of this. It's Chris' thread. He was a cool dude, very brave.

Too bad Lois Lane was so goddamn ugly. They shoulda had a hotter chick. :D


Yeah, what was the deal with that? She was both ugly and bitchy and not to mention annoying. And SHE gets superman???? Where was Claudia Schiffer in the 80s?

There is one interesting similarity between Reagon and Reeves -- they both could have benefited from STEM CELL research! Too bad Bush doesn't believe in science.

Whatever you feel about George Bush, you do realize that he is the first president to approve federal funding for this right? You do understand that president Clinton BANNED federal funding(and possibly research) into stem cells.

BTW why worry so much about stem cells? We still can't cure cancer, heart disease, AIDS, lupus, Lou Gehrigs disease, or even the common cold.

uhm...

okay, does anybody want to take this one?

uhm...

okay, does anybody want to take this one?

Whats to take? Stem cell research (as all research) is important, there is no doubt. The only question is what tradeoffs are you willing to make?

Some people believe all research should be pursued at all costs(fiscall and moral) other believe there should be some limitations.

Personally I am in the limitation camp(if not with specific regards to stem cells, but that because I dont really believe a bunch of cells = a life). Other people however believe that the same bunch of cells IS indeed a life. There is nothing that makes my view any more valid than those who believe otherwise. I bet you are also in the limitation camp in some form or another.


I bet we could learn a lot about human physiology by intentionally infecting people with rare diseases. We dont do it because we dont agree with the tradeoffs.

So what does that leave us with?
1) we believe that some limitations should apply
2) we disagree on where these limitations should lie.
3) There are significant numbers of people in this country who fall on either side of the stem cell debate. And both their views are legitimate.
4) Bush has reached a reasonable compromise between the two camps by
a) allowing federal funding for some lines and not allowing federal funding
for other lines. The first president to do so BTW, it was a complete ban
under Clinton
b) Understanding that the research will get done anyway(private industry
(I am unsure if his actions apply to only federal funding OR to whether
anyone can or cannot perform their own research) and in OTHER
countries)
c) as this line of research proves itself to being able to provide more and
more medical solutions(or at least the hope thereof), more avenues will
surely open up.

So what is the big hubbub? Are people actually blaming Bush for acknowledging and compromising with the beliefs of a large percentage of the lectorate? Isnt that what politicians are supposed to do? Dont the beliefs of a large percentage of population(even if I disagree with them) count?

BTW why worry so much about stem cells? We still can't cure cancer, heart disease, AIDS, lupus, Lou Gehrigs disease, or even the common cold. When they come up with a cure for the cold, then I say throw all the cash we can at stem cell research.


Okay, here's the point you seemed to be missing -----------------> .

nobody is 'worried' about stem cells -- we're not trying to research 'stem cells' so we can cure 'stem cells' at the expense of curing cancer...

The reason so many people want to study stem cells is because they think it can unlock the cure to things like cancer, lupus, cerebral palsy, diabetes, ect.

Too bad that a human died, however, my opinions of Reeve are pretty mush like Maddox' thoughts. (http://www.maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=creeve)

I read that too, and that's how I felt.