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Will John kerry really be a UN pussy and let everyone walk all over him or will he really be a strong leader like he says he can?

An innocent question from your friendly neighborhood flame starter :mad:

Will John kerry really be a UN pussy and let everyone walk all over him or will he really be a strong leader like he says he can?

An innocent question from your friendly neighborhood flame starter :mad:
Yes, he will be a UN pussy and let everyone walk all over him.

Doesn't it seem obvious that if the terrorists like our policies, that they will stop attacking?

I put my money on Bush. Hes just really pissing off everyone.

Is there one single policy in the world that could make a terrorist happy besides death to the Amercian swine?

Is there one single policy in the world that could make a terrorist happy besides death to the Amercian swine?

We can always try not sticking our nose into everyone business.

To late for that.....

To late for that.....

Yea but it was a nice thought.

Yes, he will be a UN pussy and let everyone walk all over him.

There you go, violating the uniform code again.

We're screwed both ways. if we don't act everyone asks why we didn't do anything about it, but if we do act everyone tells us to stay out of it.

I beleive that we will be safer when the world doesn't hate us. With Bush in office i feel that we are at a higher risk. He hasn't done much of anything to make us safer. So while I don't know that there will be less attacks under Kerry, I think that it is safe to assume that we will be at least liked by more people.

Which is why you should vote Griffin for president!

Is there one single policy in the world that could make a terrorist happy besides death to the Amercian swine?

The terrorist leadership are not the ones blowing themselves up in suicide attacks.

They need human fodder...which president will cause greater anti-american sentiment, and swell their ranks?

My money's on Bush.

Is there one single policy in the world that could make a terrorist happy besides death to the Amercian swine?

Getting out of the Middle East.

do you really think that just getting out of there will stop the problem? I don't think they will stop coming after us until our government falls and they impose their beliefs on us.

We are more likely to be attacked under Kerry's administration.

People already know that Bush will blow the hell out of anyone who messes with America.

With Kerry terrorists are more likely to test his mettle and see if he is going to say that wasn't nice and I am going to have talk with your government, or if he will step up slap the hell out of them.

In the words of a medival philoshipher "stop giving them gold and use your sword" meaning pay no more becasue they will always want more but if you chop them in half well few people have come back from the dead

We are more likely to be attacked under Kerry's administration.

People already know that Bush will blow the hell out of anyone who messes with America.

With Kerry terrorists are more likely to test his mettle and see if he is going to say that wasn't nice and I am going to have talk with your government, or if he will step up slap the hell out of them.

Yea I'm sure Bush really scared terrorist when he let Osama slip through his finger and then pissed off the whole world with Iraq. Are you forgetting Midrid? The Russian terrorist attack?

In the words of a medival philoshipher "stop giving them gold and use your sword" meaning pay no more becasue they will always want more but if you chop them in half well few people have come back from the dead

What if everyone thought like that?

It's a known fact that the muslim world wants kerry in. Therefore, they can bitch slap us and tell us about the mistake we made, and not to do it again. All the while, the next bombing plan will be concocted.

It's a known fact that the muslim world wants kerry in. Therefore, they can bitch slap us and tell us about the mistake we made, and not to do it again. All the while, the next bombing plan will be concocted.

Give me your source of who said the muslim world wants Kerry in.

It's a known fact that the muslim world wants kerry in. Therefore, they can bitch slap us and tell us about the mistake we made, and not to do it again. All the while, the next bombing plan will be concocted.

How about this...who would Osam vote for? :p

The funny thing is, both sides use this line against the other side.

I love politics.

"I don't think they will stop coming after us until our government falls and they impose their beliefs on us."

I can only imagine how many people have thought the very same thing about the U.S. I'm sure the Natives here did...

I don't really think you can make a claim that either is going to be "more likely" to cause an attack, as they do not have drastic differences on the related foreign policy issues.

"People already know that Bush will blow the hell out of anyone who messes with America. "

Yes, I'm sure that really concerns individuals who are more than willing to blow the hell out of themselves.

How about this...who would Osam vote for? :p

The funny thing is, both sides use this line against the other side.

I love politics.

Every time I see this I'm reminded of the fact that only under a republican president did an Al Qaeda attack actually succeed :p .

Osama would probably vote for Bush. Why, because Bush just keeps giving him damn good reason to attack the US again. Plus Bush did let him get away.

Yea I'm sure Bush really scared terrorist when he let Osama slip through his finger and then pissed off the whole world with Iraq. Are you forgetting Midrid? The Russian terrorist attack?WHAT???? It was clinton in 99 that *DID NOT* give the order to fire. We had a SPECOPS team with OBL dead to sights, and he got the dreaded, *DO NOT ENGAGE* reply.

How can YOU blame the President for Spain?

WTF does the Russian borne Chechyen rebellion have to do with President Bush?????

Your as mad as a ships cat, mate!

WHAT???? It was clinton in 99 that *DID NOT* give the order to fire. We had a SPECOPS team with OBL dead to sights, and he got the dreaded, *DO NOT ENGAGE* reply.

How can YOU blame the President for Spain?

WTF does the Russian borne Chechyen rebellion have to do with President Bush?????

Your as mad as a ships cat, mate!


Midrid was in response for Spain being in part of the USA led colilation. The same colitation that was started by the USA. The USA was leaded by George W. Bush at the time.

As for the Russian, Bush said that by removing Saddam, we have made the world safer. I guess they proved that wrong.


Now, show me proof that Muslium want Kerry in office.

"WHAT???? It was clinton in 99 that *DID NOT* give the order to fire. We had a SPECOPS team with OBL dead to sights, and he got the dreaded, *DO NOT ENGAGE* reply."

And in the summer of 2001 plans were being developed to arm Predator drones with missiles (after spotting OBL on three occassions)...however, obviously that did not happen. They weren't certain it would "do the job", and the CIA and Pentagon got into a pissing contest over who would oversee the attack.

"Now, show me proof that Muslium want Kerry in office."

Well, I'm sure an overwhelming majority of those in the U.S. would. The rest of the world, on the other hand, is a little different. A leader of the terrorist group Abu Hafs admitted that he wished for Bush to win, essentially saying that Bush gives them valuable recruting material.

do you really think that just getting out of there will stop the problem? I don't think they will stop coming after us until our government falls and they impose their beliefs on us.
Think about it this way.
The terrorist leadership, as it has been said, is not blowing itself up. It is a rather small group. The people plowing themselves up are the angry. The disenfranchised. The impoverished. Those with nothing to lose, who blame their circumstances on our foreign policies. Justified or not, the cause that brings in the new recruits is a personal one. Without that cause, why would they join? To impose their religious beliefs on us? Far fewer people would be willing to join, and such groups would be far less of a threat. If the tables were turned, how many Americans would choose to go kill themselves and others, just because they didn't like someone else's lifestyle? It's not a crusader mentality driving these people, it's desperation. Take away the reason for that desperation, or at least take away anything that would lend any legitimacy to their blaming of their desperation on the US, and you've undermined the entirety of the terrorist network. Just continuing to blow them up will only continue the cycle, as their families and friends will be put in the same desperate situation, thus becoming the next generation of terrorists.
My money, in terms of who would be more likely to bring about another 9/11, is on Bush.

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Originally Posted by Asssassins
It's a known fact that the muslim world wants kerry in. Therefore, they can bitch slap us and tell us about the mistake we made, and not to do it again. All the while, the next bombing plan will be concocted.


It's statements like this that make the rest of the world hate the US. The "Muslim world" is not simply a bunch of terrorists. The Muslims that follow Osama and other similar terrorists are a small minority of Islam. Ignorance about such topics is exactly what perpetuate people into supporting Bush and his misleading "ideals." Do some research into Bush and the war on terrorism. Educate yourself a little.

WHAT???? It was clinton in 99 that *DID NOT* give the order to fire. We had a SPECOPS team with OBL dead to sights, and he got the dreaded, *DO NOT ENGAGE* reply.


When the Towers were bombed in 93 the Clinton government caught the people who did it, and they found out about and pursued Osama bin Laden. They prevented the millenium bomb plot, and America was beloved around the world.
When Bush got into office he (via John Ashcroft) took forces away from counter-terrorism to go after the real threatto our nation's saftey, prostitution in New Orleans (btw John Ashcroft annoints himself with oil for state occasions, but rather than using some sort of essential oil to be fragrant unto the Lord, he uses Crisco so that his soul will be nice and crispy when Satan roasts it).

When forced to put efforts behind counter-terrorism he made a half hearted attempt to invade Afghanistan where they are now setting up a joke of an election system, but quickly pulled away all real Afghan efforts to plunder Iraq. Now he's draging forces away from the boder of North Korea to go to Iraq. He's abandoning two fronts in the war on terrorism in order to fund his money laundering scheme in Iraq. Terrorists may hate Bush but they can't deny his usefulness. He is to Al-queda what Ralph Nader is to the Republicans. Opposed to everything they stand for and playing right into their hands.

The same thing that happens with each new president; nothing changes and everything will just keep getting worse.

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Originally Posted by Asssassins
It's a known fact that the muslim world wants kerry in. Therefore, they can bitch slap us and tell us about the mistake we made, and not to do it again. All the while, the next bombing plan will be concocted.


It's statements like this that make the rest of the world hate the US. The "Muslim world" is not simply a bunch of terrorists. The Muslims that follow Osama and other similar terrorists are a small minority of Islam. Ignorance about such topics is exactly what perpetuate people into supporting Bush and his misleading "ideals." Do some research into Bush and the war on terrorism. Educate yourself a little.
And the Muslims that blow up Christian homes in the middle of the night in 'The Balkans' are affiliated with whom?

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Give me your source of who said the muslim world wants Kerry in.
May this help to enlighten your path.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dianawest/dw20041003.shtml

It's a known fact that the muslim world wants kerry in. Therefore, they can bitch slap us and tell us about the mistake we made, and not to do it again. All the while, the next bombing plan will be concocted.
The muslim world wants Kerry in because, as far as we know, Kerry is not a blood thirsty, triggerhappy man running the worlds most potent military. And pinning the blame on the entire muslim world is unfair for two reasons.

1. It is the extremists who hate us, not the general population.

2. Sayin "The Muslim religion" is like saying "The Christian religion". There are many seperate religions in both categories, bearing no love towards each other.

If all christians were stereotyped by what some extremists have done than we would all (Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, Baptist, or whatever else) look like bloodthirsty maniacs. We cannot discredit the entire muslim population because of the actions of a few, or for there wish to lead a safer life by the US having a president who would follow the above advice signifacanlty better than the current one.

"What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."
JFK


Anyone who'd say this today would be called a commie-pinko-hippie and accused of treason... You guys have become so screwed up.

What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time.


Amen. The world deserves peace. We are all men. And the scriptures (in virtually every religion) talk about all men, although one group may be favored, none are hated. Our constitution and bill of rights talks about all men. These documents don't talk about "men we like" or "men who live in America", "liberals", "cobservatives", "christian", "muslim", "jew", or anyother particular group of men. We are all here and must share this planet because that is all we have. Acceptance, tolerance and cooperation are something this world, on all sides could use a little more of.

do you really think that just getting out of there will stop the problem? I don't think they will stop coming after us until our government falls and they impose their beliefs on us.

sounds exactly like what the corporate media/U.S. Govt has been telling ou to "think".

Will John kerry really be a UN pussy and let everyone walk all over him or will he really be a strong leader like he says he can?

An innocent question from your friendly neighborhood flame starter :mad:


UN pussy: NO!

but he will continue a 30-40 year old failed policy.

The world has basically taken a softline approach to the middle east(mostly dodged during the cold war by both both republicans and dems) for a long time now, and instead of getting better that region of the world has gotten worse.

At least Bush has tried a radical new policy(A very politically risky policy). Maybe it will work, maybe it wont. But it cant be worse than what has gone on there for a long time now.

Maybe a show of strength will actually work. maybe not. But sideline manipulations havent been a very successful policy. Maybe its time to bring the bull into the china shop.

America was not attacked because of its President.
America was attacked because the government is hated.
Look at the world from outside your box...
The US has been disliked no matter who is in charge.
You can't change the American government by continually
electing the same people into office.

Hold on, I wanna understand why they'll hate Bush.

Let me get this straight: a bunch of pissed off people who want to blow themselves up are being blown up.

And this is supposed to STOP them?



The Muslim world wants Kerry to win. So does the Christian world, the Hindu world, the Budhist world, and the Jewish world. So does Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

What do all these things have in common?


They don't exist, you fucking bigoted moron

Will John kerry really be a UN pussy and let everyone walk all over him or will he really be a strong leader like he says he can?

An innocent question from your friendly neighborhood flame starter :mad:
A good question, and my answer is: maybe

Terrorist recruitment booths the world over will have to close down due to lack of business from Bush's cult following.

What the hell is a UN pussy? If you can't convince the UN security council that something is right, then it's probably not worth doing (eg war in Iraq).

May this help to enlighten your path.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dianawest/dw20041003.shtml

Yea, a Republican Website is really unbiased. :rolleyes: . Comon show me a REAL source, not some Republican propaganda machine.

Terrorist recruitment booths the world over will have to close down due to lack of business from Bush's cult following.

What the hell is a UN pussy? If you can't convince the UN security council that something is right, then it's probably not worth doing (eg war in Iraq).

You see, Empath, most of us want the UN to be our bitch, not the other way around. That's the conservative viewpoint, I believe.

do you really think that just getting out of there will stop the problem? I don't think they will stop coming after us until our government falls and they impose their beliefs on us.

To the best of my knowledge, the Muslim terrorists simply want the U.S. to butt out of the Middle East, which would be fair. I don't believe that the Muslim terrorists would hate the U.S. if they never came into the Middle East in the first place.

Which is why you should vote Griffin for president!
Peter Griffin? That would make Lois "kinda like Hillary, but without the penis."

Think about it this way.
The terrorist leadership, as it has been said, is not blowing itself up. It is a rather small group. The people plowing themselves up are the angry. The disenfranchised. The impoverished. Those with nothing to lose, who blame their circumstances on our foreign policies. Justified or not, the cause that brings in the new recruits is a personal one. Without that cause, why would they join? To impose their religious beliefs on us? Far fewer people would be willing to join, and such groups would be far less of a threat. If the tables were turned, how many Americans would choose to go kill themselves and others, just because they didn't like someone else's lifestyle? It's not a crusader mentality driving these people, it's desperation. Take away the reason for that desperation, or at least take away anything that would lend any legitimacy to their blaming of their desperation on the US, and you've undermined the entirety of the terrorist network. Just continuing to blow them up will only continue the cycle, as their families and friends will be put in the same desperate situation, thus becoming the next generation of terrorists.
My money, in terms of who would be more likely to bring about another 9/11, is on Bush.

First off I don't consider muslims in general a bad group. It's just certain people within the religion who piss me off.

Second, how do you propose to make the common "disenfranchised" and "impoverished" Muhammad happy? How exactly are they disenfranchised?

When the Towers were bombed in 93 the Clinton government caught the people who did it, and they found out about and pursued Osama bin Laden. They prevented the millenium bomb plot, and America was beloved around the world.
When Bush got into office he (via John Ashcroft) took forces away from counter-terrorism to go after the real threatto our nation's saftey, prostitution in New Orleans (btw John Ashcroft annoints himself with oil for state occasions, but rather than using some sort of essential oil to be fragrant unto the Lord, he uses Crisco so that his soul will be nice and crispy when Satan roasts it).

When forced to put efforts behind counter-terrorism he made a half hearted attempt to invade Afghanistan where they are now setting up a joke of an election system, but quickly pulled away all real Afghan efforts to plunder Iraq. Now he's draging forces away from the boder of North Korea to go to Iraq. He's abandoning two fronts in the war on terrorism in order to fund his money laundering scheme in Iraq. Terrorists may hate Bush but they can't deny his usefulness. He is to Al-queda what Ralph Nader is to the Republicans. Opposed to everything they stand for and playing right into their hands.

When exactly were we "beloved around the world? I'm banging my head trying to think of a plausible answer to this one. :headbang:



Every time I see this I'm reminded of the fact that only under a republican president did an Al Qaeda attack actually succeed :p .

Were you drunk for the past 10 years? USS Cole. '93 trade center bombing. Now who was that president? Cli...Clint.....

Yes, he will be a UN pussy and let everyone walk all over him.

Agreed.