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Once again I am astounded by the stupidity of my own people. Australia, once again, has voted in that smarmy, lying, All-American-Ass Kissing, John Howard.
I can't believe it, after all those people were saying about him leading us into Iraq unjustly, they still voted to re-elect him!

Now don't get me wrong, my North American friends, I don't have anything against you guys, but we should really have a leader who makes his own decisions, and not get them handed to him by our friend George W. (whose rather limited mental abilities are already challenged by screwing up your [unintentionally] and other peoples [intentionally] countries). Not to mention his big business buddies that are trying to gain a foothold in Australia.

*sigh* I don't know why I bother complaining. No one ever listens to me, the obviously most intelligent person in the planet... Maybe I'll move to New Zealand :P

Guess the Australian people voted for standing up to terrorism (Like Bush and Howard), and against capitualating to terrorism and letting more inncocnets die (Like Kerry).


And for all the NSers who have spent the last few months bitching about Howard and calling him a lapdog of Bush, HAHA HAHA HAHAHA.

good news for Australia and the freedom loving people of the world. Bad news for the appeasers and apologists.

because people like Howard and Bush are not in favor of fighting terrorism at all. They just want to screw the people, hand the corporations a nice big profit, and generally destroy the country. It's not in their interest to end terrorism, because its good to have the people concentrate on that while they get away w/ their far-right agenda. I really hope Kerry wins, I don't know if a United States will be left after b4 more years of President Moron.

From what I hear, Howard is basically the Dubya of Australia.

Well, I offer my condolences.

Hopefully we avoid your fate.

haha wow, you really do have some great conspiracy theories.

I love conspiracy theories :P

OK, lets us see, how many Islamic terrorist attacks by Saddam/Osama Bin Laden/Whoever Else BEFORE Bush/Howard got elected? Not many in America, and in Australia none. Therefore, it is safe to assume that as soon as Howard/Bush get kicked out, the terrorists will not rush in AK-47's blazing.

And yes, John Howard is the George W. of Australia, except he doesn't have a backbone (which is quite possibly the one thing I respect about Bush).

Howard's people are better economic managers than Bush's seem to be.

I have no idea why you think Howard doesn't have a spine, you seem to miss the fact they basically have the same opinion on foreign situations like Iraq?
Have you ever seen Howard's stance?

That he feels Australia has a world leader has a responsibility to help bring our values to those less fortunate.

Sound familiar? it should.

OK, lets us see, how many Islamic terrorist attacks by Saddam/Osama Bin Laden/Whoever Else BEFORE Bush/Howard got elected? Not many in America, and in Australia none. Therefore, it is safe to assume that as soon as Howard/Bush get kicked out, the terrorists will not rush in AK-47's blazing.

Did you see how Al Zarqawi played that British hostage off against the british people whilst he did nothing of the sort to the Americans?

Know why? because he knows the apologists better than they know themselves.

oh and btw, you're spending too much time with Americans, our electoral terms are 3, not 4 years ;)

No one ever listens to me, the obviously most intelligent person in the planet...

Are you female? :p

Guess the Australian people voted for standing up to terrorism (Like Bush and Howard), and against capitualating to terrorism and letting more inncocnets die (Like Kerry).


And for all the NSers who have spent the last few months bitching about Howard and calling him a lapdog of Bush, HAHA HAHA HAHAHA.

It's not that hard to follow the advice of your secretary of defense, no matter which candidate you are. At least Kerry would make sure he heard more than one opinion before making a decision...
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The world may seem to be retrogressing, but in actuality, it's just in a conservative slump before more freedom comes our way (I hope). It's not like America will go back to the dark ages, even if our religious beliefs are just as ridiculous.

And besides, what's wrong with clearing house in the middle east? Ya, I'm a liberal, and I'm for peace, environment, civil rights, education, blah blah blah. But seriously, I'm tired of waiting on third world countries to get their acts together. It's not like we're going to see a Peter the Great of Syria or Iran any time soon.

Truth be told, I'd rather see the US succeed in implementing a democracy (even Bush's "faith based" democracy) in the middle east than wait around on them to start treating each other with respect.

Haha, John Howard is a dick head. Australia is full of stupid hicks who know crap all about politics. I'm 16 and I know more than most adults do. My mum was like oh I like John Howard, I was like "And why is this?"...she couldn't answer me.

John Howard is doing crap all for terrorism, Australia has never been a target until we started being another state of America. Well I'd better start learning a new anthem. Well anyway, John Howard doesn't know that people under 24 exist and that people over 70 exist, I just love how people are stupid enough to vote for a leader that doesn't care unless you have BUCKETS of money. Does he even know how much we pay for Uni? Doubt it.

Oh well I hate him, 80% of voters love him, so I guess I'll move to somewhere like, I dunno, New Zealand, Spain or Denmark! Or maybe I'll just join the crowd "Vote for a liar!"

I am actually interested to see why the people of nations like Australia and America are so happy to vote for liars. Is it because they have like some battered wife syndrom and feel attached to the abuse?

I'm 16 too! Any yet, I can undertsand Das Kapital while most 'gwown-ups' I know can't understand the restaurant menu at my local Korean. No, this truely is amazing. He's made us a full-on terrorist target, I mean, how long before some bloke in Indonesia thinks... "y'know, maybe blowing up some of their trains might make them wake up..."

I am so sorry.

Not only do you have Howard...

...but you got stuck with Munke posting here :(

Once again I am astounded by the stupidity of my own people. Australia, once again, has voted in that smarmy, lying, All-American-Ass Kissing, John Howard.
I can't believe it, after all those people were saying about him leading us into Iraq unjustly, they still voted to re-elect him!

Now don't get me wrong, my North American friends, I don't have anything against you guys, but we should really have a leader who makes his own decisions, and not get them handed to him by our friend George W. (whose rather limited mental abilities are already challenged by screwing up your [unintentionally] and other peoples [intentionally] countries). Not to mention his big business buddies that are trying to gain a foothold in Australia.

*sigh* I don't know why I bother complaining. No one ever listens to me, the obviously most intelligent person in the planet... Maybe I'll move to New Zealand :P

Yes, democracy stinks, doesn't it? What can you do about all those idiots who vote for someone you just *know* is wrong?

Actually, this poster really does serve as an exemplar of the arrogance of the left. All those who oppose you - don't vote for your favorored candidate, that is - are stupid. Thus, in the US, when Bush wins the election, as is likely, all those who voted for him must be stupid too, according to our own liberals. Stupid or misguided or indoctrinated etc. The follow-on to this argument is that all people who don't vote for Bush are not stupid etc.

I expect to see a lot more dumbass posters like this after Bush wins. "How could people be so stupid?" etc. And I wonder what Michael Moore will do. Probably move to France.

Yes, democracy stinks, doesn't it? What can you do about all those idiots who vote for someone you just *know* is wrong?

Actually, this poster really does serve as an exemplar of the arrogance of the left. All those who oppose you - don't vote for your favorored candidate, that is - are stupid. Thus, in the US, when Bush wins the election, as is likely, all those who voted for him must be stupid too, according to our own liberals. Stupid or misguided or indoctrinated etc. The follow-on to this argument is that all people who don't vote for Bush are not stupid etc.

I expect to see a lot more dumbass posters like this after Bush wins. "How could people be so stupid?" etc. And I wonder what Michael Moore will do. Probably move to France.

In your post, you could easily change Bush to Kerry, liberal to conservative, left to right, Michael Moore to Ann Coulter, and France to...well, I don't have one for that. :p

Point being, both sides regard the other side as idiots/misguided/brainwashed/etc.

In your post, you could easily change Bush to Kerry, liberal to conservative, left to right, Michael Moore to Ann Coulter, and France to...well, I don't have one for that. :p

Point being, both sides regard the other side as idiots/misguided/brainwashed/etc.

I always find it amusing that people can so quickly spot bias in others but are so incapable of detecting their own. :D

MunkeBrain, please do some research before you post. First of all, even though Latham made noises about leaving Iraq, his plan would actually leave more Australians in Iraq. His goal was to focus more regionally. But in the end it didn't matter because the election was decided on domestic issues. Don't take the election result as an endorsement of Howard's support for the war in Iraq.

Australia has never been a target until we started being another state of America.

We have been hostile to Indonesia and Malaysia (the 2 islamic states in our region) for quite some time, and its really only been getting worse (Keating's calling Mahathir a recalcitrant, Howard basically sticking with that summary).

If you think the WTC or Bali weren't in planning prior to the "Bush" era, then your naivety is showing.

Do you know any people who have spent time in these middle eastern nations?

What is it that you hope for? For America to fail? the Muslims win?
These "wahabi" muslims don't care about anyone else, look at the france issue, the only thing they care about is the muslim headwear, the christian crosses or jewish skullcaps don't matter, in fact they support those bans, just not the muslim headwear.

In fact these Wahabi muslims consider other muslim sects like the Shi'a bigger enemies than the Americans.

You're willing to state your opinion, in fact I'm willing to bet you consider it integral that you have the right to express it, but then you will stand there and attack leaders who are willing to stand up and do what's needed to protect that right. You can't have your pie and eat it too.

‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’

So what you suggest is we do nothing?

Well I'd better start learning a new anthem. Well anyway, John Howard doesn't know that people under 24 exist and that people over 70 exist

and yet Howard is expanding the Australian military markedly so we are capable of acting and protecting ourselves....
No wait, the UK is going to become a state of the USA as well, the concept of mutual interests in countries with similar cultures never occured to you? :rolleyes:

Now that's a bold statement, and I'm guessing you are under 24, how nice of you to speak for the elderly however.

If anything, I would say, Howard thinks people under 24 don't yet quite understand what's in their best interests (and just looking at the success of young marriage, he has a point), and he knows exactly what elderly Australia wants (have you seen his electorate?!?!? or the % of the elderly that vote liberal?).

I am actually interested to see why the people of nations like Australia and America are so happy to vote for liars.

are there really people that exist who don't think both sides of politics lie? seriously?

It's funny you should mention "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" America and consider Bush the liar in politics :rolleyes:

In your post, you could easily change Bush to Kerry, liberal to conservative, left to right, Michael Moore to Ann Coulter, and France to...well, I don't have one for that. :p

Point being, both sides regard the other side as idiots/misguided/brainwashed/etc.
Yes, but the sheer vitriol from the Left is major reason we have to put up with Howard and Co.
I'm fairly leftish, generally voting either Green or Labour, although I prefer to focus on individual candidates rather than parties. Despite this, I'm feed up with the childish name calling that seems to be what left wing politics has devolved into. Further, when discussing voting with swinging voters, being abused by fanatical lefties is a major reason given for voting Liberal.
I doubt we will see a Labour government in this country again until the Left grows up.
The best way to start would be to boot Latham and his ilk out of the Labour party! Yes, I know he's cleaned up his act since becoming leader, but what's a few months compared to his years of filthy name calling?
And given the election results, going back to Beazley would be smarter than keeping him.

Normally, as an American, I would laugh at you until the blubber from my triple chins settles on my throat and tries to choke me. But we have an election in less than a month, too. :(

Beasley had a shot at beating Howard, a small one, but more than Latham.

Rudd has a shot too,

Swan is seen as a whiner, Latham is a larrikin who scares the average australian thinking of him as a "leader and diplomat", and Crean, whose well a walking corpse like John Kerry :p

I can't stand all the name calling from both sides of politics.

No wonder why people become apathetic.

I'm always amused when "liberal" is an insult and conservative is some how able to be construed in the mind of a person as positive attribute (except with regards to being "fiscally" --- which incidentally isn't part of the current moderate/conservative view. Ooh ya, the trickle effect. How's that working for you farmers out there?
"We might be poor, but at least we know those [edit: minorities] won't be getting any rights."

Maybe it's different in Europe, but it's true in most of america.

neither side of politics is fiscally conservative nowadays.

To be fiscally conservative, one taxes less and spends less, taxing more and spending more is fiscally liberal.

I'm always amused when "liberal" is an insult and conservative is some how able to be construed in the mind of a person as positive attribute

I suppose you need to differentiate the word Liberal from liberal, much like the Nazis weren't Fascists, they were fascists.

I know that probably wouldn't make a great deal of sense unless you study them, particularly the latter, but basically liberal is someone who pushes for change, whereas Liberal is a reference to the American Liberalism of the 70's movement, which isn't so much for change in the sense of it but their constructed view of society.

and yet Howard is expanding the Australian military markedly so we are capable of acting and protecting ourselves....Actually, he's expanding the military in such a way that it better integrates with the US military. Or so he thinks. Even a US strategic analyst is baffled by the decision to make Australia's military like a minaturized US military. His view was that we're better off both building a military that is suited to our unique defence requirements and we'd better integrate with the US military by sending specialised units, not sending a very small mini-army.

Howard got re-elected because not a single Australian soldier has been killed in combat.....

Wait a minute...
Of the 2000 troops Aussie's have committed, not a single one has been USED in combat.

That would explain things!
Maybe the fact they are all stationed in the south and not in a combat zone would explain a lot too!
Maybe that's why the United States really doesn't have Australia's support in this war!
Hey....some of this shit is starting to make sense. Except of course for the war.
Feel free to read my thread, "You got to ask yourself these questions".

In addition, have no fear. Blair WILL lose in May, leaving only the US and Australia in Iraq, Poland has already vowed to remove troops in January.
Blair has a 30% approval rating. He's history. And so are we.

Peace,
Voyuerism

Actually, he's expanding the military in such a way that it better integrates with the US military. Or so he thinks. Even a US strategic analyst is baffled by the decision to make Australia's military like a minaturized US military. His view was that we're better off both building a military that is suited to our unique defence requirements and we'd better integrate with the US military by sending specialised units, not sending a very small mini-army.

I suppose that would be if you felt that Howard's military expansions were his own ideas, not what the defence department was recommending. Howard's never been a big proponent for pulling a Lyndon Johnson.

The one thing our military really really struggles with is personnel, so it makes sense to move towards more technology and more special forces like we have been. That and I think the US military industrial complex is part of the AUSFTA.

I don't think further US integration is particularly necessary, it's really only our special forces that are of any consequence, what else we send is limited other crap.

Wait a minute...
Of the 2000 troops Aussie's have committed, not a single one has been USED in combat.

No, not a single one died, there's a difference, our troops there now aren't much more than token, but they were definitely involved in combat during the invasion, in fact our special forces unit was operating about 100 miles ahead of the US cavalry divisions upon the approach to Baghdad throughout the actual invasion.

In Afghanistan, ours and the british special forces were the first ones in.

In addition, have no fear. Blair WILL lose in May, leaving only the US and Australia in Iraq, Poland has already vowed to remove troops in January.

If Blair loses, it will be to the Conservative party.....You seriously think the Conservatives would pull the troops out?

Also

Italy have troops there, Japan does also, as does Korea, the CDU who will crucify Schroeder in the next German election will put German troops in there...