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CHANHASSEN, Minn. Oct. 9, 2004 — Campaign aides to President Bush on Saturday laughed off rampant Internet speculation about whether the president was wired to get help from advisers during his first debate with Sen. John Kerry. "It's not true. It's ridiculous," Bush campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel said.

A still photo from television footage of Bush as he debated Kerry on Sept. 30 in Coral Gables, Fla., appears to show a small, boxy shape between the president's shoulder blades.

Campaign officials declined to discuss it further because they weren't certain a bulge even existed and do not want to appear to take seriously what they consider a "wild accusation."

Bloggers and others began to muse on various Web sites that the bulge could have been a radio receiver that the president's aides could use to give him answers during the debate. One Web site, www.isbushwired.com, is devoted solely to the matter.

"Some people have been spending too many hours looking at left-wing conspiracy Web sites," Stanzel said. "Did you hear the one about Elvis moderating the third debate?"

Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Does it really matter? After all, Kerry won

um there is a WHOLE thing there that looks like a pitch fork without the middle prong.

if you ask ME it looks like one of those thing you attach to dolls to keep them standing up.

Kerry has a better tailor.

Someone wanna tell me how the hell he can listen in? Do they cut a hole through his head?

Someone wanna tell me how the hell he can listen in? Do they cut a hole through his head?

It's probably possible he could have wireless headphones, or something.

It's probably possible he could have wireless headphones, or something.

If they can make 'em small enough that you can't see them on TV, that's impressive! And about as likely that the box was inputted directly into his nueral net that the aliens use to control him. ;)

i still say it was a big metal thing, you can see the crease all the way down his back and around his shoulder

maybe bush is an alien with a weird bone structure

Looks like a Kevlar vest to me.

It's not a wire...

It's his bra.

Looks like a Kevlar vest to me.
i think kerry should be wearing that, or at least football pads during the third debate for when bush spears him

Looks like a Kevlar vest to me.
White House says that they weren't wearing Kevlar vests.

Of course bush had a wire, he cant make a complete sentence on his own.

Bush is going to get so Owned in this election

White House says that they weren't wearing Kevlar vests.


Why would the White House want to say that they were wearing vests? If it was common knowledge maybe a would be maniac would then go for a head shot on Kerry or Bush. To have a president or candidate killed during the debates would be bad.

Bush is going to get so Owned in this election

How so?

Kerry has a better tailor.
Yeah, that's all I'm getting out of this.

Why would the White House want to say that they were wearing vests? If it was common knowledge maybe a would be maniac would then go for a head shot on Kerry or Bush. To have a president or candidate killed during the debates would be bad.
How would they get a gun into the debates?

Quite frankly, if they got a gun into the debates, why not go for the 100% kill and aim for the head anyway?

*shrug* it's possible. He did pause in midsentence like he was listening to something a couple times. I think they just spent weeks training him to repeat the same answer differently to every question, myself.

How would they get a gun into the debates?

Quite frankly, if they got a gun into the debates, why not go for the 100% kill and aim for the head anyway?
Because the body is a much easier target to hit than a smaller (and often moving) head.

How would they get a gun into the debates?

Quite frankly, if they got a gun into the debates, why not go for the 100% kill and aim for the head anyway?

Well, in answer to your first question: Stranger things have happened. Maybe someone planted a piece in the auditorium. You can never be too safe, the moment you let your guard down, for even an instant, is when a tragedy could occur.

It would be easier for someone to hide a handgun then a rifle. Obviously if someone pulled a gun the SS would swarm them and the candidates. But in the instant no one is there, they'd have the chance to pull off a shot (most likely a body shot). If you've ever been in combat or have shot or been shot at, the first rule is to aim for the body. Snipers can go for the head if the target is steady, but if you want to be effective go for the chest. Nice big target. Most handguns aren't accurate at distance, so a head shot would be highly unlikely. Shooting someone is not a video game.

Well, in answer to your first question: Stranger things have happened. Maybe someone planted a piece in the auditorium. You can never be too safe, the moment you let your guard down, for even an instant, is when a tragedy could occur.

It would be easier for someone to hide a handgun then a rifle. Obviously if someone pulled a gun the SS would swarm them and the candidates. But in the instant no one is there, they'd have the chance to pull off a shot (most likely a body shot). If you've ever been in combat or have shot or been shot at, the first rule is to aim for the body. Snipers can go for the head if the target is steady, but if you want to be effective go for the chest. Nice big target. Most handguns aren't accurate at distance, so a head shot would be highly unlikely. Shooting someone is not a video game.
pssh, these people are going to be scanned like a muslim in an airport going into these debates to watch

Hahaha, shuddering to think what it would have been without a wire, if there was one (which I doubt)... 90 minutes of : it's hard work blahblahblah we are making progress in Irak blahblahblah it's a tough decision blahblahblah we will win the war on terror because we must blahblahblah


He even got mixed between OBL and Saddam Hussein !!! Couldn't believe it!!!

Well, in answer to your first question: Stranger things have happened. Maybe someone planted a piece in the auditorium. You can never be too safe, the moment you let your guard down, for even an instant, is when a tragedy could occur.

It would be easier for someone to hide a handgun then a rifle. Obviously if someone pulled a gun the SS would swarm them and the candidates. But in the instant no one is there, they'd have the chance to pull off a shot (most likely a body shot). If you've ever been in combat or have shot or been shot at, the first rule is to aim for the body. Snipers can go for the head if the target is steady, but if you want to be effective go for the chest. Nice big target. Most handguns aren't accurate at distance, so a head shot would be highly unlikely. Shooting someone is not a video game.
Never said that it was, but at that close of a distance, I think that someone in the front row would have a good chance of rushing the stage and firing off a handgun.

It's not a wire...

It's his bra.

his tits are on his back?

pssh, these people are going to be scanned like a muslim in an airport going into these debates to watch
After I went to the debate, I couldn't sit down for a week. :(

It's probably part of his bullet brief vest. :rolleyes:

Pathetic. :rolleyes:

When will you leftist losers learn?

Bush Aides Deny Internet Rumors He Was Wired

CHANHASSEN, Minnesota -- Bush campaign aides are laughing off widespread Internet suggestions that President Bush was wired during his first debate with John Kerry, to get help from advisers.

A photo taken during the September 30th event appears to show a small, boxy shape between the president's shoulder blades.

Musings on various Web sites suggest it could have been a radio receiver so the president's aides could feed him answers during the debate.
Spokesman Scott Stanzel calls the idea "ridiculous," and adds, "Some people have been spending too many hours looking at left-wing conspiracy Web sites."

He adds, "Did you hear the one about Elvis moderating the third debate?"


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/10/164524.shtml

Pathetic. :rolleyes:

When will you leftist losers learn?

Bush Aides Deny Internet Rumors He Was Wired

CHANHASSEN, Minnesota -- Bush campaign aides are laughing off widespread Internet suggestions that President Bush was wired during his first debate with John Kerry, to get help from advisers.

A photo taken during the September 30th event appears to show a small, boxy shape between the president's shoulder blades.

Musings on various Web sites suggest it could have been a radio receiver so the president's aides could feed him answers during the debate.
Spokesman Scott Stanzel calls the idea "ridiculous," and adds, "Some people have been spending too many hours looking at left-wing conspiracy Web sites."

He adds, "Did you hear the one about Elvis moderating the third debate?"


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/10/164524.shtml

Wow. The Bush campaign assert that Bush wasn't cheating? Well, that's a non-baised source if I ever saw one. I guess we can't speculate, now that we've gotten such an independent source affirming that it wasn't a wire.

Pathetic. :rolleyes:

When will you leftist losers learn?

Bush Aides Deny Internet Rumors He Was Wired

CHANHASSEN, Minnesota -- Bush campaign aides are laughing off widespread Internet suggestions that President Bush was wired during his first debate with John Kerry, to get help from advisers.

A photo taken during the September 30th event appears to show a small, boxy shape between the president's shoulder blades.

Musings on various Web sites suggest it could have been a radio receiver so the president's aides could feed him answers during the debate.
Spokesman Scott Stanzel calls the idea "ridiculous," and adds, "Some people have been spending too many hours looking at left-wing conspiracy Web sites."

He adds, "Did you hear the one about Elvis moderating the third debate?"


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/10/164524.shtml



Ohohoh newsmax. Now we know it must be false.

I thought W destroyed Kerry in the debate.

After I went to the debate, I couldn't sit down for a week. :(


tell all....wait, dont do that never mind

*crawls into a hole with visions of a sodomized Roach on back of eyelids*

i think kerry should be wearing that, or at least football pads during the third debate for when bush spears him

Yea just like he speared him in the first and second. :rolleyes:

I thought W destroyed Kerry in the debate.

Jeez what debate were you watching? Were you in an alternative reality, where up is down, Bush is smart and coheritance?

Yea just like he speared him in the first and second. :rolleyes:
Bush crushed Kerry in the second debate, and lost the first debate because while Kerry was talking about helping people, (which he has never done), Bush was helping people in Florida.

Jeez what debate were you watching? Were you in an alternative reality, where up is down, Bush is smart and coheritance?

I believe it is called "Bizzarro World".

Drudge Report: Debate Mystery: Did Kerry Have Cheat Sheet?
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUN OCT 03, 2004 14:05:38 ET XXXXX

DEBATE MYSTERY: DID KERRY HAVE CHEAT SHEET?

Section 5, pages 4-5 of the binding "Memorandum of Understanding" that was negotiated and agreed upon by both political campaigns states:

"No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."

So what did Dem presidential contender John Kerry take out of his jacket as he approached the stage [with his back to the auditorium's audience]?

What did Kerry place on the podium?

Video replays of the Kerry maneuver played all weekend long on the internet.

"John Kerry brought prohibited material into last Thursday's Presidential Debate," charged indcjournal.com.

A top Kerry campaign source explained late Sunday how Bush supporters were once again trying to distract.

"Kerry did not cheat," said the Kerry insider. "This is more lies from Republicans, who are hoping for a quick change of subject away from the president's performance, and the new polls."

-----------------------------------------------------------
Filed By Matt Drudge
Reports are moved when circumstances warrant
http://www.drudgereport.com for updates
(c)DRUDGE REPORT 2004
Not for reproduction without permission of the author



http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc57.htm

Drudge Report: Debate Mystery: Did Kerry Have Cheat Sheet?
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUN OCT 03, 2004 14:05:38 ET XXXXX

DEBATE MYSTERY: DID KERRY HAVE CHEAT SHEET?

Section 5, pages 4-5 of the binding "Memorandum of Understanding" that was negotiated and agreed upon by both political campaigns states:

"No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."

So what did Dem presidential contender John Kerry take out of his jacket as he approached the stage [with his back to the auditorium's audience]?

What did Kerry place on the podium?

Video replays of the Kerry maneuver played all weekend long on the internet.

"John Kerry brought prohibited material into last Thursday's Presidential Debate," charged indcjournal.com.

A top Kerry campaign source explained late Sunday how Bush supporters were once again trying to distract.

"Kerry did not cheat," said the Kerry insider. "This is more lies from Republicans, who are hoping for a quick change of subject away from the president's performance, and the new polls."

-----------------------------------------------------------
Filed By Matt Drudge
Reports are moved when circumstances warrant
http://www.drudgereport.com for updates
(c)DRUDGE REPORT 2004
Not for reproduction without permission of the author



http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc57.htm
We call that a 'pen'.

Has Drudge been reporting on Bush's noticable bulge on his back at the first debate?

Bush crushed Kerry in the second debate, and lost the first debate because while Kerry was talking about helping people, (which he has never done), Bush was helping people in Florida.

*psh* please, Bush just stood around for Photo Op. Just like that plastic turkey in Iraq. No politicans truly helps anyone. Bush did better in the second debate, but still no cigar. Kerry beat him again, why? Because while Bush was using generic information (information that doesn't take much effort to look up if you use Google.com) Kerry use specific information. Also Bush did attack the moderator which lost him a couple of points. Then there was the fact that he didn't know he owned a part of a timber company and that he asked the moderator if he needed wood. God I almost rolled over laughing. Kerry went after Bush policy and how he was handling situation at home and overseas. Bush just attacked Kerry. Not a good idea.

Kerry = 2 Bush = -1

We call that a 'pen'.

OH NO NOT A PEN THE WHOLE BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL BE BROUGHT DOWN BY A SINGLE PEN! AHHHH!

/scarcasam.

I thought W destroyed Kerry in the debate.

How so, by Kerry pointing out that Bush's statistics count Bush as a small business, by having no response to "I'm not going to make a girl who was raped by her father seek her father's permission for an abortion," by having no answer to why he hasn't vetoed a single spending bill dispite the fact that we're in a recession, by repeating the same stale argument that Kerry can't lead a coalition because he doesn't consider "Tony Blair and Poland" a great coalition -- to which Kerry pointed out that if Missouri were a nation it would have be the third biggest nation in the coalitoin, behind the US and Britian, or perhaps you thought Bush did a great job at countering Kerry's arguement that Bush's record was so weak (horrible economy, bad intelligence on Iraq, ect) that all he could do was attack Kerry -- In case you forgot, Bush responded by calling Kerry the "most liberal senator alive" (actually he said that about "Senator Kennedy" but what the hell do you expect from Bush, the ability to know that just because Kerry has the initials JFK that he isn't a jedi spirit of the slain president)

For your reading and viewing plesure.

CHANHASSEN, Minn. Oct. 9, 2004 — Campaign aides to President Bush on Saturday laughed off rampant Internet speculation about whether the president was wired to get help from advisers during his first debate with Sen. John Kerry. "It's not true. It's ridiculous," Bush campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel said.

A still photo from television footage of Bush as he debated Kerry on Sept. 30 in Coral Gables, Fla., appears to show a small, boxy shape between the president's shoulder blades.

Campaign officials declined to discuss it further because they weren't certain a bulge even existed and do not want to appear to take seriously what they consider a "wild accusation."

Bloggers and others began to muse on various Web sites that the bulge could have been a radio receiver that the president's aides could use to give him answers during the debate. One Web site, www.isbushwired.com, is devoted solely to the matter.

"Some people have been spending too many hours looking at left-wing conspiracy Web sites," Stanzel said. "Did you hear the one about Elvis moderating the third debate?"

Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
you sir are a complete idiot.

you sir are a complete idiot.

No an idiot is a person that takes information on the internet (not internets) serious and use it in press confrence and debates.

No an idiot is a person that takes information on the internet (not internets) serious and use it in press confrence and debates.
ok so he's a dumb@#*

ok so he's a dumb@#*

that'll work. :)

that'll work. :)
lol i think t matches better anyways lol but anyways people who go around saying bush or kerry cheated in the debate are dumb@#*'s

(i think i'm getting the hang of it)

Why would the White House want to say that they were wearing vests? If it was common knowledge maybe a would be maniac would then go for a head shot on Kerry or Bush. To have a president or candidate killed during the debates would be bad.

What kind of idiot doesn't shoot for the head?! And why do they never pick up the bad guys guns and ammo for later? And why don't they ever shoot the alien twice to make sure it's dead? And why do the girls never take advantage and kill the bad guy when they catch him off balance, instead of running away like stereotypical "women"?!

Someone wanna tell me how the hell he can listen in? Do they cut a hole through his head?

What are you, Amish?

http://accelerated-promotions.com/consumer-electronics/two-way-radio.htm

Devices like this have been used by News Ancors for years -- Hell, I could buy one today

What are you, Amish?

http://accelerated-promotions.com/consumer-electronics/two-way-radio.htm

Devices like this have been used by News Ancors for years -- Hell, I could buy one today

I wouldn't mind buying one.

Bush Aides Deny Internet Rumors He Was Wired

CHANHASSEN, Minnesota -- Bush campaign aides are laughing off widespread Internet suggestions that President Bush was wired during his first debate with John Kerry, to get help from advisers.

A photo taken during the September 30th event appears to show a small, boxy shape between the president's shoulder blades.

Musings on various Web sites suggest it could have been a radio receiver so the president's aides could feed him answers during the debate.

Okay, so we have a picture of small box shaped thing between the president's shoulder blades -- we know he is bad a speaking in public and we know that the debates are an important part of the election process -- and we still have this unexplained box shaped thing between his shoulder blades.

So, what do they offer to clear his name? To clear this whole misunderstanding up? Surely they would just say what it was and that would dissolve the allegations that is was a very commonly used two-way transmitter box with a micro ear communicater -- so, what do they do?


Spokesman Scott Stanzel calls the idea "ridiculous," and adds, "Some people have been spending too many hours looking at left-wing conspiracy Web sites."
He adds, "Did you hear the one about Elvis moderating the third debate?" http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/10/164524.shtml


They mock the idea of a question -- even though there is clearly somekind of box on Bush's back -- they want us to think that it is absurd to think anything about it.

Pathetic. :rolleyes:

When will you leftist losers learn?

When will we learn what? To stop asking questions -- to not become suspicious when there are no answers -- to roll over and give-up in the face of name calling? Really, why are you more concerned with the people demanding answers than with the people who aren't supplying them?

I wouldn't mind buying one.

Actually, I think they're used in the movie Old School

I wouldn't mind buying one.
o the havok i would reak upon the world muwahahahahaha o wait that's my death ray i'm building well anyways i need a spare bolt anyone got one

[QUOTE=Texastambul]Okay, so we have a picture of small box shaped thing between the president's shoulder blades -- we know he is bad a speaking in public and we know that the debates are an important part of the election process -- and we still have this unexplained box shaped thing between his shoulder blades.

So, what do they offer to clear his name? To clear this whole misunderstanding up? Surely they would just say what it was and that would dissolve the allegations that is was a very commonly used two-way transmitter box with a micro ear communicater -- so, what do they do?



They mock the idea of a question -- even though there is clearly somekind of box on Bush's back -- they want us to think that it is absurd to think anything about itQUOTE]


o i saw bigfoot and Kerry talking about top secret election stuff in my backyard well i think he's cheating or it may have been that really hairy lady next door.

o i saw bigfoot and Kerry talking about top secret election stuff in my backyard well i think he's cheating or it may have been that really hairy lady next door.
The little grey alien men are helping Kerry win the election, too.

What kind of idiot doesn't shoot for the head?!

The head is a difficult shot, for several reasons. It it first of all much smaller than the upper torso, moves much more and more erratically, and is protected by the thickest bone. It is quite possible for pistol calibur bullets shot at the head to hit the forehead and be "channelled" along the side of the head for a painful but no fatal experience. On the other hand if you simply shoot someone in the gut 5-6 times they are very likely to die and the whole thing is much easier.

As for the "suspicious" box: so Bush had an earphone implanted in his ear which was broadcast to from some faraway place, where there are people who can think of the "right" response to a question as it is being asked, before the president can, and then tell it to him without interfering in the rest of the debate? Give me a break.

o i saw bigfoot and Kerry talking about top secret election stuff in my backyard well i think he's cheating or it may have been that really hairy lady next door.

So, how do you explain the box?

The most obvious explaination is this:
http://accelerated-promotions.com/consumer-electronics/two-way-radio.htm


It's a technology that's existed for decades, but still you wish to compare its existance to aliens, big foot and Elvis' ghost.

As for the "suspicious" box: so Bush had an earphone implanted in his ear which was broadcast to from some faraway place, where there are people who can think of the "right" response to a question as it is being asked, before the president can, and then tell it to him without interfering in the rest of the debate? Give me a break.

funny, I seem to remember hearing him blurt-out "let me finish!" eventhough he still had plenty of time and no one had interupted him.

It's probably possible he could have wireless headphones, or something.


umn, it wouldnt be hard at all. A persons head can basically be used as a speaker. They have released, or are about to release a cell phone in Asia that basically is just a microphone on your wrist(like a watch). To hear, you put your finger(the hand with wrist thingy attached) in your ear. The bones and accoustics of your head do the rest.

Of course, I didnt see G.W. walk around with his finger in his ear, but then again I think he would done better if he was in fact receiving "help"

I'm going to go with the Kevlar on this one.

If anyone else watched "Nine Innings from Ground Zero," there's a scene where Bush is putting on a Kevlar vest shortly before throwing out the first pitch at Yankee Stadium.

Though I'm unsure if it is an everyday thing (of wearing a vest), I am certain the President wears one the majority of the time, especially after Reagan taking smallarms fire at close range shows it can happen.

Wearing a vest for a high-caliber rifle would be fairly obvious.

In my admittedly non expert opinion, when I look at that strange lump, I see more than just a single bump, but a ridge across his back. It is in a half U shape, and you know what that half U shape on one side, and probably becomes a full U if you see the entire back straight on in a non blurry picture is familiar to me. Do you want to know why kiddies? Well, I'll tell you.

Becuase of my out-sticking shoulder blades, I have a whole lot of padding on the back of my suit. This padding makes a similar shape as to what I see in the picture. So, that is what I righting this off as.

How would they get a gun into the debates?

Quite frankly, if they got a gun into the debates, why not go for the 100% kill and aim for the head anyway?

WOO Chanhassen Minnesota!! Woot! I go up there all the time (cause I like the taste of the rich folk).

Oh and by the way, why not kill both of them as niethjer of them are worthy to be the president of MY country.

umn, it wouldnt be hard at all. A persons head can basically be used as a speaker. They have released, or are about to release a cell phone in Asia that basically is just a microphone on your wrist(like a watch). To hear, you put your finger(the hand with wrist thingy attached) in your ear. The bones and accoustics of your head do the rest.

Of course, I didnt see G.W. walk around with his finger in his ear, but then again I think he would done better if he was in fact receiving "help"

Explains Kerry having his head up his butt.

Explains Kerry having his head up his butt.


tha explains it

/sarcasm

o the havok i would reak upon the world muwahahahahaha o wait that's my death ray i'm building well anyways i need a spare bolt anyone got one

I want one! The death ray I mean lol.

First, this:
Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Don't know how serious that is, but it could have been avoided with a link.

Considering how piss poor Bush did in the debates and how hard this would be to persue if it where true, I don't know how worth it it is...

It certainly does look like there is something under his jacket, but that's just it-something. That's all that can really be said. There are better fights-Bush has done far worse...

I think it is unlikely, but if it did turn out to be true I wouldn't be surprised at all.

So, how do you explain the box?

The most obvious explaination is this:
http://accelerated-promotions.com/consumer-electronics/two-way-radio.htm


It's a technology that's existed for decades, but still you wish to compare its existance to aliens, big foot and Elvis' ghost.
you are an idiot wow i was just thinking you might be, wow. look we're not saying that spy gear doesn't exist, what we're saying is that you guys are idiots, saying each others political party cheated. o ow i hate whiny idiots who talk about politics.

I want one! The death ray I mean lol.
you got a spare bolt i'd let you get 4 shots with it muwahahahaha

you are an idiot wow i was just thinking you might be, wow. look we're not saying that spy gear doesn't exist, what we're saying is that you guys are idiots, saying each others political party cheated. o ow i hate whiny idiots who talk about politics.

Do you also believe that Nixon was innocent in Watergate and that the break-in was just a big misunderstanding?

More importantly, how do you explain the photo?

I think it is finally proof that Bush has a monkey on his shoulder...blade.

Well if this is true then Bush is dumber than I thought. He didn't do to well in that debate.