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Kerry and Bush are virtually tied in the polls and he's doing a fuck job. If Kerry loses this... :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

My mom is now seriously worried Bush will lose (she supports Bush) - but I don't care either way; there's just no way my candidate (Michael Badnarik of the Libertarains) is gonna win so . . . :headbang:

Regardless of who wins this election, it's definitely going to be a squeaker. There are a number of reasons for this, but I fear it's going to come down to the Electoral College and the Country will remain deeply divided. :headbang:

Isn't it fascinating that all of us are using the :headbang: graphic! Sigh.

...Just like the last election :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

...Just like the last election :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Stupid Supreme Court Justices! I'll give em a taste of *real* justice!

Kerry and Bush are virtually tied in the polls and he's doing a fuck job. If Kerry loses this... :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Not if we get out and vote Kerry on Nov 2.

Im pretty sure Kerry is going to win....not that damn Bush :headbang:

Kerry is kinda ahead in the Polls....

My mom is now seriously worried Bush will lose (she supports Bush) - but I don't care either way; there's just no way my candidate (Michael Badnarik of the Libertarains) is gonna win so . . . :headbang:

Isn't it votes for third parties that made it so easy for Bush to win last time?

Also, worried about Bush losing!? Honestly never heard someone say that before...

Im pretty sure Kerry is going to win....not that damn Bush :headbang:
I've come to the conclusion that if Kerry does win, he'll level off our nosediving country, while Bush makes us plunge faster . . . but I'd still vote Libertarian if I could

when its going to be close
its all about who gets their supporters to the polls
make sure all your friends who are going to vote kerry actually VOTE

Kerry!!! Goooo Yippieeeeh :)

Oh, GROAN! NOT another Kerry thread, please!!! :headbang:

Stupid Supreme Court Justices! I'll give em a taste of *real* justice!

Make me thankful we have an Electoral College system.

Stupid Supreme Court Justices! I'll give em a taste of *real* justice!

And I can point out exactly what the supreme court said regarding Florida! Don't force me to burst your bubble that they stole the election from Gore.

Isn't it votes for third parties that made it so easy for Bush to win last time?

Also, worried about Bush losing!? Honestly never heard someone say that before...

The military don't want Kerry, my dad doesn't want Kerry, my mom is afraid of a Kerry administration and she is a non-voter and she is scared of a kerry administration.

Bush will clearly win, at the last second he will say he "captured" Osama, and he will look like a hero, even though he probably already has Osama in hostage. God Damn, id rather see a dog rise to power then Bush (No effence to bush fans). :headbang:

The military don't want Kerry, my dad doesn't want Kerry, my mom is afraid of a Kerry administration and she is a non-voter and she is scared of a kerry administration.
The military don't want Bush, my mom doesn't want Bush, my grandmother is afraid of the Bush administration and she is a rightwing/republican-voter and she is scared of a Bush administration in the US. And I don't want Bush to be re-elected either, neither does the majority o the world.

Bush will clearly win, at the last second he will say he "captured" Osama, and he will look like a hero, even though he probably already has Osama in hostage. God Damn, id rather see a dog rise to power then Bush (No effence to bush fans). :headbang:

Something's up. I've been hearing rumblings amongst the hardcore republicans of a bomg that's going to be dropped (metaphorically) the week before the elections. I'll believe it when I see it though.

The military don't want Bush, my mom doesn't want Bush, my grandmother is afraid of the Bush administration and she is a rightwing/republican-voter and she is scared of a Bush administration in the US. And I don't want Bush to be re-elected either, neither does the majority o the world.

The military actually wants Bush according to the USA Today. They want him over Kerry by 4 to 1.

I don't care what your mom or you or grandmother want because you don't decide who gets elected as President, Senator, House Member, Governor, State Legislature, County Board or mayor here in the USA. You are German and can vote in German Elections and I can't. I am American and can vote, when I'm 18, for our leaders. My Family can vote and two of them are registered and will be Voting for GWB for FOUR MORE YEARS!

The military actually wants Bush according to the USA Today. They want him over Kerry by 4 to 1.

I don't care what your mom or you or grandmother want because you don't decide who gets elected as President, Senator, House Member, Governor, State Legislature, County Board or mayor here in the USA. You are German and can vote in German Elections and I can't. I am American and can vote, when I'm 18, for our leaders. My Family can vote and two of them are registered and will be Voting for GWB for FOUR MORE YEARS!
Gallup says the military is divided slightly to Kerry.

Ya know what formal? My parents, grandparents, and most of the people around me (50%+) are voting Kerry. Kick the bastard out.

Gallup says the military is divided slightly to Kerry.

And we all know how unbiased Gallup is.

[qoute]Ya know what formal? My parents, grandparents, and most of the people around me (50%+) are voting Kerry. Kick the bastard out.[/QUOTE]

Well that is in your area. Its still going to be interesting to see how this goes. Frankly, I'm still forcasting a Bush Victory.

Bush will clearly win, at the last second he will say he "captured" Osama, and he will look like a hero, even though he probably already has Osama in hostage. God Damn, id rather see a dog rise to power then Bush (No effence to bush fans). :headbang:
Right now, it's neck-and-neck.
Check it out at: http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Personally, I still think that people are treating Bush (43) the way they treated Carter: poorly. He's a man that is going what he thinks is right while dealing with bad situations.
I'm not saying that either was 100% right, but I think people are waaaaaaay too polarized these days. There is good and bad in everyone. Just IMHO.

And we all know how unbiased Gallup is.

If anything, they are biased towards Republicans (see biased sample)
Well that is in your area. Its still going to be interesting to see how this goes. Frankly, I'm still forcasting a Bush Victory.
That area happens to be an excellent indicator state. We've predicted the popular vote correctly for the past...six elections?

If anything, they are biased towards Republicans (see biased sample)

And yet they have it leaning Kerry where as the USAToday poll had the military Vote going 4 to 1! Frankly, I'll believe the USA Today poll over gallup.

That area happens to be an excellent indicator state. We've predicted the popular vote correctly for the past...six elections?

And yet, no wartime president has never lost a re-election and no president that won the electoral but not the popular was re-elected. There is a trend that will be broken. WHich is it?

Gallup says the military is divided slightly to Kerry.

Ya know what formal? My parents, grandparents, and most of the people around me (50%+) are voting Kerry. Kick the bastard out.
Gallup can say that all they want, the military is very pro-Bush.

Actually, FD, I think USA Today was quoting a poll from the Army Times that had about as much chance of being accurate as a Nationstates poll has. Gallup has had some bias issues in recent weeks, oversampling Republicans in their likely voter model and registerd voter model, but they're still basically a reputable outfit. And they do the major polling for USA Today, by the way. Ever hear of the CNN/USA Today/ Gallup poll? You've quoted it before, after all.

I should add that your wartime President model is a little misleading. LBJ likely would have lost if he had run, and he was a wartime President. His VP lost pretty resoundingly to Nixon, so that could be seen as a repudiation of Johnson's policies.

Gallup can say that all they want, the military is very pro-Bush.

I heard from a military buddy of mine that a number of soldiers are worried about expressing their preference for Kerry for fear of reprisal. So, while they may not be speaking out about it, they're still voting Kerry.

I heard from a military buddy of mine that a number of soldiers are worried about expressing their preference for Kerry for fear of reprisal. So, while they may not be speaking out about it, they're still voting Kerry.
MSNBC also ran a story from the Washington Post just a day or so ago where Marines were speaking out against the war--Marines on station in Iraq, mind you, not back here in the states, and not anonymously either. I think there are a lot of military people who feel like they've been fucked by Bush, and rightfully so, and they're going to tell him to stuff it this time around.

Gallup can say that all they want, the military is very pro-Bush.

I must agree with this. The military goes overwhelmingly Republican.

A couple of reputable tracking polls, for those with too much time on their hands. ;)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/elections/2004/charting.html

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm

Kerry and Bush are virtually tied in the polls and he's doing a fuck job. If Kerry loses this... :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Well.. we can only hope he does.

A couple of reputable tracking polls, for those with too much time on their hands. ;)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/elections/2004/charting.html

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm

Way to cherrypick only those polls that have bush leading!

Oh, GROAN! NOT another Kerry thread, please!!! :headbang:


You know, you don't HAVE to read or answer in it... :)

I heard from a military buddy of mine that a number of soldiers are worried about expressing their preference for Kerry for fear of reprisal. So, while they may not be speaking out about it, they're still voting Kerry.

Military soldiers CANNOT express preferences of one candidate over another. That is a violation of the UCMJ and subject to courtmartial. They can do so privately but publicaly and in uniform is another story.

Way to cherrypick only those polls that have bush leading!

Most polls had Bush leading by a couple percent in 2000. Then election day, Gore wins by half a percent.

Only Zogby and ABC had Gore in the lead right before the election.

Is the economy better off than four years ago? Is the budget better off than four years ago? Is the nation better off than four years ago? Is the world better off than four years ago? Are YOU better off than four years ago? I just don't see any reason for debate... or a close election! If Bush were a C.E.O... he would have been dumped long ago!!! It's amazing how those tried and true Republican scare tactics always tweak the American voter! ;)

The military don't want Kerry, my dad doesn't want Kerry, my mom is afraid of a Kerry administration and she is a non-voter and she is scared of a kerry administration.

Why doesn't she vote? Unless she isn't american she should vote. I have no patience for people who complain about hte gov without participating in the election. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't do anything about it, you lose your whining rights.

Military soldiers CANNOT express preferences of one candidate over another. That is a violation of the UCMJ and subject to courtmartial. They can do so privately but publicaly and in uniform is another story.
Wrong, a soldier can express preference of one candidate over the other, we have many in-office debates, in uniform, during duty hours (my god, what they pay me to do! :) ), a soldier may not participate in partisan political management, campaigns, or conventions (except as a spectator when not in uniform), or make public speeches in the course thereof, attend a rally in uniform, or use contemptuous words against the officeholders described in 10 U.S.C. 888 (10 U.S.C. 888 lists the following officeholders: President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which the military member is on duty).

Wrong, a soldier can express preference of one candidate over the other, we have many in-office debates, in uniform, during duty hours (my god, what they pay me to do! :) ), a soldier may not participate in partisan political management, campaigns, or conventions (except as a spectator when not in uniform), or make public speeches in the course thereof, attend a rally in uniform, or use contemptuous words against the officeholders described in 10 U.S.C. 888 (10 U.S.C. 888 lists the following officeholders: President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which the military member is on duty).

You've used contemptuous words against a member of Congress. When's your court-marshal?

Is the economy better off than four years ago? Is the budget better off than four years ago? Is the nation better off than four years ago? Is the world better off than four years ago? Are YOU better off than four years ago? I just don't see any reason for debate... or a close election! If Bush were a C.E.O... he would have been dumped long ago!!! It's amazing how those tried and true Republican scare tactics always tweak the American voter! ;)

Did the US lose thousands of highly trained finance people four years ago?
Did we have to spend more money to keep from being blown up again four years ago?
Is the nation, considering the attacks and their aftermath, worse off than it was four years ago?
Is the world, considering the attacks and their aftermath, worse off than it was four years ago? ***
Personally, I *am* better off than I was four years ago, thanks.

And... Would Gore have done it better?
(Personally, I doubt it, and possibly could have done much worse.)

It's amazing what looking at one side of the coin scare tactics always tweak the American voter.

*** = BTW, lest we forget, the US did NOT engage the terrorist threat after the Cole, the Embassy Bombings, or the previous attack on the WTC. If you think that 9/11 was an attack on the Bush administration, think again. It was an attack on Western Civilization.

Gallup says the military is divided slightly to Kerry.

Ya know what formal? My parents, grandparents, and most of the people around me (50%+) are voting Kerry. Kick the bastard out.


i'll believe Gallup, its like that at my unit

838th MP Co
437th MP Bn

Military soldiers CANNOT express preferences of one candidate over another. That is a violation of the UCMJ and subject to courtmartial. They can do so privately but publicaly and in uniform is another story.


which article says that

and if you read the oath carefully we swear to the office of the president. not which one is in office.

Now We can not wear our uniforms for a political nature that doesn't mean that if i'm in uniform, someone asks me who i'd vote for I could tell them if i feel like it.

What's with all the autistic smilies?

*cricket chirps*

What?!

http://content.collegehumor.com/media/movies/duhbate.wmv

My Parents are in the military guess who they're voting for? Anyone?

Why doesn't she vote? Unless she isn't american she should vote. I have no patience for people who complain about hte gov without participating in the election. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't do anything about it, you lose your whining rights.

She doesn't vote because she doesn't want too. She doesn't vote because all politicians are alike. In this election however, she does not trust Kerry on national security.

She is 100% American, as am I and my sister. Since she is an American, she does have full right to state her opinion even if she doesn't vote.

She doesn't vote because she doesn't want too. She doesn't vote because all politicians are alike. In this election however, she does not trust Kerry on national security.

She is 100% American, as am I and my sister. Since she is an American, she does have full right to state her opinion even if she doesn't vote.
She also has the right to act on her opnion. If Kerry is so scary then vote then she should vote against him. Although most people don't trust anyone politician on anything and they still vote.

She also has the right to act on her opnion. If Kerry is so scary then vote then she should vote against him. Although most people don't trust anyone politician on anything and they still vote.

Believe me, I tried to get her to register but she did not to my knowledge. As for me, I'm voting Bush and so is my dad (who is in the military)

Believe me, I tried to get her to register but she did not to my knowledge. As for me, I'm voting Bush and so is my dad (who is in the military)
Your parents in the Military too? You in the U.S. or outside of it? I'm in Naples, Italy.

Your parents in the Military too? You in the U.S. or outside of it? I'm in Naples, Italy.

My dad is still in the military and my mom served 6 years and got out when she had me. Currently in the states but dad is due to ship out.

First of all I have to say I'm from the UK, so I'm clearly not voting on Nov. 2. I'm still keeping a very very very close eye on the election for obvious reasons and i had a couple of questions for any of you particpants out there.

1) Do you pay more or less in tax than four years ago?
2) Do you care about the massive budget deficit?
3) Do you know if there are more jobs in your area than four years ago?
4) Do you care about the weak dollar?
5) Which is more important to you, the War on Terror, or the economy?

These are questions that you don't always get an answer to in polls. I was just wondering what responses people would give.

BTW, I vote Lib Dem at home so I suppose I would be a Libertarian / Democrat type person.

First of all I have to say I'm from the UK, so I'm clearly not voting on Nov. 2. I'm still keeping a very very very close eye on the election for obvious reasons and i had a couple of questions for any of you particpants out there.

[quote]1) Do you pay more or less in tax than four years ago?

Less taxes for me and I want it to stay that way.

2) Do you care about the massive budget deficit?

Yes and no.

3) Do you know if there are more jobs in your area than four years ago?

Depends if the airline that serves this area leaves or not.

4) Do you care about the weak dollar?

not all that worried but it could be better

5) Which is more important to you, the War on Terror, or the economy?

Tough choice. I would say though that the War on Terror is important to me.

These are questions that you don't always get an answer to in polls. I was just wondering what responses people would give.

Your right, they should ask these questions. I won't disagree with you.

BTW, I vote Lib Dem at home so I suppose I would be a Libertarian / Democrat type person.

You could very well be!

If you dont like Bush or Kerry look amoung the third parties. Perhaps your against the federal governments attacks on civil rights, Libertarian. Or maybe your concerned about health care and the enviornment and the Green party is for you. Or even say your sick of all these politicians and theres the Reform party.

Lets say you went into one of these third parties and every election you persuaded 10 people to vote for you. And the next election each of them persuaded 10 people. Well it goes from about 10 to 100 to 1000 to 10,000 to 100,000 to 1,000,000 in 24 years. And that is saying you can persuade 10 people over 4 years!

While it is true these third parties are often fragmented, they can have large influences other ways. Let me point out that if Nader got about 5% in several battleground states he could extort various promises from the Democratic party in exchange for his support. I mean if he really had some showing there he could become the vice presidential nominee.

First of all I have to say I'm from the UK, so I'm clearly not voting on Nov. 2. I'm still keeping a very very very close eye on the election for obvious reasons and i had a couple of questions for any of you particpants out there.

1) Do you pay more or less in tax than four years ago?
2) Do you care about the massive budget deficit?
3) Do you know if there are more jobs in your area than four years ago?
4) Do you care about the weak dollar?
5) Which is more important to you, the War on Terror, or the economy?

These are questions that you don't always get an answer to in polls. I was just wondering what responses people would give.

BTW, I vote Lib Dem at home so I suppose I would be a Libertarian / Democrat type person.

1) Less. I'm a single guy, and I was paying nearly 33% before the tax cuts. Now I'm down to about 26%.
2) Yes, very much.
3_ Hard to say. There is definitely more than there was two years ago. Four years is a little harder, because of that Internet bubble busting.
4) YES!! I *hate* that the dollar is so weak against the Pound and Euro!
5) That's like having to choose between a Iraq and a hard place. (Yes, I know that's a terrible pun.) One, you suffer in the near term to have a future. The other, you live it up now and may not have a future.