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http://badnarik.org/supporters/blog/2004/10/10/shutting-down-round-three-of-the-bush-kerry-infomercials/

The Arizona Libertarian Party has filed a "Civil Complaint" against the Arizona State University and the Commission on Presidential Debates.

In the complaint, the Arizona Libertarian Party claims "...that ASU and the CPD are acting in violation of the 'equal protection of the laws' portion of the Fourteenth Amendment of the US Constitution. The complaint also states that ASU and other governmental bodies are spending money and using other public resources in a partisan political manner in violation of Article 4, Section 19-13 and Article 9, Section 7 of the Arizona Constitution."

"The hearing is scheduled for 9:00AM, October 12, 2004 in Room 814 of the East Court Building of the Maricopa County (Arizona) Superior Court. The hearing is scheduled to be no longer than one hour, with one half hour alloted to each side to make their arguments."

If the Arizona Libertarian Party is successful in making its case, the judge can issue an injunction, preventing the third CPD sponsored U.S. Presidential Debate from occuring. Lots more information can be found at the link above, including JPEG and PDF format copies of court orders, papers served to the Arizona State University and the Commission on Presidential Debates, affidavits stating that said papers were served, as well as pictures and audio recordings of the papers being served.

EDIT: Additional information on the Arizona Libertarian Party's case can be found at:
http://badnarik.org/supporters/blog/2004/10/11/libertarians-get-their-day-in-court/

An article from the New York Sun titled "Libertarians Win a Hearing in Debate Case"
http://www.nysun.com/article/2962
This article is also featured/linked at MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6224955/

UPDATE: Arizona judge rules in favor of ASU/CPD

http://badnarik.org/supporters/blog/2004/10/12/our-day-in-court/

"THIS IS A RUSH UPDATE, DETAILS FORTHCOMING … JUDGE RULED IN FAVOR OF CPD/ASU … NO INJUNCTION GRANTED … GROUNDS FOR DENIAL: TIME RESTRAINTS … BUSH ONLY ANNOUNCED 2 WEEKS AGO TO ATTEND … APPEARS AZLP HAS GROUNDS TO FIGHT FOR DAMAGES, MAY ADD BUSH & KERRY TO DEFENDENTS LIST…

1. No restraining order, because of the doctrine of latches, and that there appears to be sufficient public purpose for this debate.

2. The Plaintiffs may continue to pursue damages for any violations of the constitutional provisions.

In summary, we couldn’t stop the debates or get Badnarik in, but we may still be able to hold them accountable through damages."

more details/analysis:

http://badnarik.org/supporters/blog/2004/10/12/our-day-in-court-new-comments-thread/

Other Threads -

U.S. Mainstream Corporate Media Bias Against Libertarians And Other Third Parties
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364531

Libertarian and Green U.S. Presidential Candidates Arrested
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364022

Dammit, I go to ASU, and I've been waiting for the debate! I respect Badnarik and the Libertarians in specific, and the plight of third-party candidates in general, but I seriously hope this just remains a stunt, and does not actually affect the debate.

If successful, which I doubt, this will only cause the debate to move venues.

Documents reguarding the complaint, court order, and certificates of service in reguards to this case can be found at: http://thelfactor.org/arizona_state_lawsuit.html

Badnarik strikes again!

Additional information on the Arizona Libertarian Party's case can be found at:
http://badnarik.org/supporters/blog/2004/10/11/libertarians-get-their-day-in-court/

I go to ASU as well and I absolutely loathe libertarians.

Imbeciles want to ruin our debate fun! Rotten anarchist ratbastards!

I WANT massive parking hassles and I WANT swarms of media and I want the whole thing to be a zoo, it will be FUN~!!

And maybe george w bush will slip and fall into a cactus, and that would just plain be grand~!
(though I dont believe gammage has any cacti 8( )

Here is an article from the New York Sun titled "Libertarians Win a Hearing in Debate Case": http://www.nysun.com/article/2962 . This article is also featured/linked at MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6224955/

From the article: "In August, a federal judge in Washington sharply criticized the Federal Election Commission for ignoring evidence of bias on the part of the debate commission. Judge Henry Kennedy Jr. noted that in 2000 the debate commission gave security guards 'facebooks' with pictures of third-party candidates and instructed the guards to prevent those in the photos from entering the debate venues, even with valid audience tickets. 'The exclusion policy appears partisan on its face,' Judge Kennedy wrote." -- ( http://www.nysun.com/article/2962 )

Does anyone know of any more information on these "facebooks?"

Nope, I never heard of that, but I'll be sure to stick it to the man and vote Badnarik :gundge:

Imagine Badnarik and Dubya in a debate together.

Badnarik --> :headbang:

Dubya --> :confused:

I would love to see that.

UPDATE: Arizona judge rules in favor of ASU/CPD

http://badnarik.org/supporters/blog...r-day-in-court/

"THIS IS A RUSH UPDATE, DETAILS FORTHCOMING … JUDGE RULED IN FAVOR OF CPD/ASU … NO INJUNCTION GRANTED … GROUNDS FOR DENIAL: TIME RESTRAINTS … BUSH ONLY ANNOUNCED 2 WEEKS AGO TO ATTEND … APPEARS AZLP HAS GROUNDS TO FIGHT FOR DAMAGES, MAY ADD BUSH & KERRY TO DEFENDENTS LIST…

1. No restraining order, because of the doctrine of latches, and that there appears to be sufficient public purpose for this debate.

2. The Plaintiffs may continue to pursue damages for any violations of the constitutional provisions.

In summary, we couldn’t stop the debates or get Badnarik in, but we may still be able to hold them accountable through damages."

more details/analysis:

http://badnarik.org/supporters/blog...omments-thread/