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My dad (surprisingly) bought the DVD movie last night. Tonight I saw the whole thing. It simple reinforced my beliefs but with more addition (didn't really understand the Bin Laden's close connections to the Bush family as well as FOX News declaring Bush the winner of Florida despite everyone else declaring otherwise).

However, I recall hundreds of posts saying that many points in the movies were shear lies. Can anyone reliable tell me these lies so I can have a good final conclusion to the movie when I sleep at 4 am or so?

EDIT: I meant Fahrenheit 9/11, my bad. I speant all of the Summer reading up on Fahrenheit 451 for my Language Arts Honors class.

Either you meant Fahrenheit 9/11, or YOu got a lot more out of the Fahrenheit 451 than I did. :p

Heh, well, I imagine that both movies outline frightening outlooks.

but the firemen vary strikingly from one to the other.

i can redirect you to this fact check site:
www.michaelmoore.com

My dad (surprisingly) bought the DVD movie last night. Tonight I saw the whole thing. It simple reinforced my beliefs but with more addition (didn't really understand the Bin Laden's close connections to the Bush family as well as FOX News declaring Bush the winner of Florida despite everyone else declaring otherwise).

However, I recall hundreds of posts saying that many points in the movies were shear lies. Can anyone reliable tell me these lies so I can have a good final conclusion to the movie when I sleep at 4 am or so?

I haven't seen Fahrenheit 9/11, but I did watch MSNBC last election. They declared Bush the winner in Florida around 11:00 Central time, and stuck with it until around 1 a.m. I can't be mistaking MSNBC for Fox, because we didn't have Foxnews until last year.

i can redirect you to this fact check site:
www.michaelmoore.com

Ah, you're a funny guy. ;)

Ah, you're a funny guy. ;)

ah hahah. I'm not kidding. :mad:

What you need here is an impartial so-and-so from Australia. So here am. I heard that most of the stuff said in it was true but some of it wasn't in chronological order and it was a bit patchy with contacts. Either way, its a good ploy to oust bush without a :sniper: . Oh and John Howard just got re-elected :gundge: so there's going to be another KBS between the cum...ah...i mean bum buddies ;) . Oh well thats my 2-bits worth in. I'm outta here

ah hahah. I'm not kidding. :mad:

Sorry I musunderstood, I just thought you were joking calling Moore's site a factcheck site, since he's the author of the film. Kinda like sending someone to georgewbush.com if they ask something about the President's record. ;)

Yes, there are a lot of deciets in the movie.

Yes, there are a lot of deciets in the movie.

name one

name one

ok, let's try this again.

Moore: Bush's limo was pelted with eggs

BBC (which so many liberals worship): one egg was thrown

Here's the thing about the film Colodia. It is factually accurate, but it draws conclusions that many disagree with. Draw your own conclusions. I watched it again last night for the first time since opening night in the theater and it hit me even harder the second time around, because so much more has come to light since its release.

ok, let's try this again.

Moore: Bush's limo was pelted with eggs

BBC (which so many liberals worship): one egg was thrown

Oh my god! That validates the entire war against Iraq! I'm voting for Bush now!

/extreme sarcasm

Let's try this again. Name one meaningful lie.

ok, let's try this again.

Moore: Bush's limo was pelted with eggs

BBC (which so many liberals worship): one egg was thrown

And yet ... in the film clip shown, at least three eggs hit the car ...

Lemme guess ... Moore digitally added eggs ...

Can't argue with it when it's on film, man. Give up. F911 has been proven to be unquestionably accurate.

But, then again, when the Bush worshipping conservative publication "The New Yorker" said it was accurate, suddenly "The New Yorker" became part of the screaming "liberal media".

You neocons just hate being wrong, don't ya?

And yet ... in the film clip shown, at least three eggs hit the car ...

Lemme guess ... Moore digitally added eggs ...

Can't argue with it when it's on film, man. Give up. F911 has been proven to be unquestionably accurate.

But, then again, when the Bush worshipping conservative publication "The New Yorker" said it was accurate, suddenly "The New Yorker" became part of the screaming "liberal media".

You neocons just hate being wrong, don't ya?
Oh my arse, you know how hard that is?

[QUOTE=Colodia]However, I recall hundreds of posts saying that many points in the movies were shear lies.QUOTE]

They are sheer lies and Michael Moore basically presents an hour and a half long programme of his wild conspiracy theories without providing a single piece of evidence to back them up. The film is just utterly stupid and should be ignored rather than treated as adding to the debate on the aftermath of 9/11.

However, this is not the worst thing about the film. The worst thing about this film is the fact that if you don't like it or in any way question what Moore is saying, you are described as a Bushite. Well I'm sorry but that is bullshit as well. I am an Englishman with absolutely no love for Bush or any of his policies. I believe firmly that Clinton was an OK President and that Iraq is a terrible mistake which Tony Blair should lose his job for because of the absolute contempt which he showed the British people through his deceit and utter lying which is killing British and American Servicemen, Foreign nationals who are there trying to improve the country not to mention many of the Iraqi people themselves. But even me, with my fairly liberal attitude can see through this web of lies. Michael Moore acts, like he did in Cannes, as if he is being censored and that he is a great martyr for free speech and that those who criticise him have some nasty quasi-fascist agenda to clamp down on thought. No, I am criticisng you Michael Moore, because in this film you have less than 5 minutes of actual facts in this so called documentary while the rest is you either misleading us by missing out certain key facts, like in the story about the Saudis allowed to leave the US in the days after the tragedy in new York, or by actually lying to us.

Michael Moore grow up and go back to what you are good at which is highlighting real problems by using actual evidence like in Bowling 4 Columbine rather than producing this dribble with which you are trying to enter the history books as some sort of martyr. Stop it Michael Moore!

I'm not sure if "unquestionably accurate" is accurate itself.

Spinsanity (www.spinsanity.com) calls it "deceptive". Spinsanity is run by progressives, not neocons. Spinsanity has had similar critiques of Moore's books.

David Kopel counts 59 deciets.
http://www.davekopel.org/terror/59Deceits.pdf

People like the movie because it fits their preconceived notions about Bush, not because it is either accurate or truthful. People love their dogmas and are very reluctant to shred them.

Moore is a demagogue who has made himself a hell of a living telling a certain segment of society exactly what they want to hear.

(I will not be voting for president this year as I cannot stand either candidate, and the 'third party' candidates are jokes representative of their parties.)

i'm a pretty big micheal moore fan, but even i have to admit that it's not all true. I believe that america had no reason to be in Iraq (much like vietnam) and the pet goat thing was funny, but there were some lies in it of course.

(I will not be voting for president this year as I cannot stand either candidate, and the 'third party' candidates are jokes representative of their parties.)

I heard you. I have no desire to vote even though I know it is my right as an American citizen. Since this is a Micheal Moore thread, I'll put my two cent in. Micheal Moore represents the bad turn that politics has taken. I call the phenomenon "Poli-Wood." Politics in the media has become a bad reality TV show. All politics is news casters distorting facts, celebrities telling me who to vote for, and a bunch of pretty sound bites. For those who are looking for creditable sources, Good luck realizing your pipe dream.

i'm a pretty big micheal moore fan, but even i have to admit that it's not all true. I believe that america had no reason to be in Iraq (much like vietnam) and the pet goat thing was funny, but there were some lies in it of course.

I think Moore is very skilled at what he does...and I think he has the ability to be extremely funny in a serious context. I just don' believe he's shedding light on any truths.

but there were some lies in it of course.

Name one.

I heard you. I have no desire to vote even though I know it is my right as an American citizen. Since this is a Micheal Moore thread, I'll put my two cent in. Micheal Moore represents the bad turn that politics has taken. I call the phenomenon "Poli-Wood." Politics in the media has become a bad reality TV show. All politics is news casters distorting facts, celebrities telling me who to vote for, and a bunch of pretty sound bites. For those who are looking for creditable sources, Good luck realizing your pipe dream.

I am in 100% agreement with you. There are so many distortions knowingly and unknowingly spread in the media it is difficult to discern any facts at all. The politics of Hollywood is equally nauseating. They have a right to their opinion, but these are people who are skilled at pretending to be people they're not and are no more qualified (and possibley less) than the average high school gym teacher to make political pronouncements.

http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20040702.html

I heard you. I have no desire to vote even though I know it is my right as an American citizen. Since this is a Micheal Moore thread, I'll put my two cent in. Micheal Moore represents the bad turn that politics has taken. I call the phenomenon "Poli-Wood." Politics in the media has become a bad reality TV show. All politics is news casters distorting facts, celebrities telling me who to vote for, and a bunch of pretty sound bites. For those who are looking for creditable sources, Good luck realizing your pipe dream.
With their love on sensationalism, Americans got the political debate they deserved.

i can redirect you to this fact check site:
www.michaelmoore.com

You use Micheal Moore to prove Micheal Moore??? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!

Moore: Bush's limo was pelted with eggs

BBC (which so many liberals worship): one egg was thrownFirst# Moore Actually showed a video clip with the Eggs...
Second# he ask you to name ONE Lie and you talk about the Eggs?
....nothing about the Networks behaviors?
...nothing about the Saudis links with the Bushes?
... no WMD talk?

he says name one issue....and all you have is the eggs? :gundge:

well...all I can tell you is...go rent the DVD...you will see the eggs...with your own eyes.

First# Moore Actually showed a video clip with the Eggs...
Second# he ask you to name ONE Lie and you talk about the Eggs?
....nothing about the Networks behaviors?
...nothing about the Saudis links with the Bushes?
... no WMD talk?

he says name one issue....and all you have is the eggs? :gundge:

well...all I can tell you is...go rent the DVD...you will see the eggs...with your own eyes.


http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20040702.html

People like their beliefs like they love theor old high school varsity jackets...even though they're 40 years older and 200lbs heavier.

[url]http://www.spinsanity......ahhh...
Friendmanville and ForceMajeure are the same person?

ahhh...
Friendmanville and ForceMajeure are the same person?


Ummm...no

i can redirect you to this fact check site:
www.michaelmoore.com
Using Michael Moore's OWN WEBSITE for a fact check about HIS MOVIE seems a bit useless...

Too funny!

Bush is a great president!!! Don't believe me?
www.whithouse.gov

or

John Kerry would make a way better president than Bush! You can find my supporting evidence here: www.johnkerry.com

:rolleyes:

I never will believe anything I watch from Michael Moore without checking his actualy bibliographical sources first, but that's just the same with anyone, even someone like Rush.

Everyone has a high stakes in the game so we all have to do as much of our own research as possible and stop following all the biases that are in the cinema and the bookstore.

I've seen it, but didn't like it. Moore twists facts and isn't honest. As if the truth wasn't enough to prove George W Bush a major danger to the world. He uses emotion as a weapon, exactly like Bush junior does. That's not good, he should use facts and reason, they're widely sufficient... If I thought any of oyu had a chance to see it, I would recommend William Karel's movie "the world according to Bush" - magistral...

First# Moore Actually showed a video clip with the Eggs...
Second# he ask you to name ONE Lie and you talk about the Eggs?
....nothing about the Networks behaviors?
...nothing about the Saudis links with the Bushes?
... no WMD talk?

he says name one issue....and all you have is the eggs? :gundge:

well...all I can tell you is...go rent the DVD...you will see the eggs...with your own eyes.


Moore accused Bush of taking excessive vacation time, 42 percent to be exact. What Moore fails to reveal in this criticism is the 42 percent includes weekends and visits to Camp David where Bush talked with foreign leaders. According to the Washington Post, once the Camp David time is excluded, Bush's "vacation" time drops to 13 percent.

Isn't his film company owned by the Carlyle group?

I hate to bring up this article again, but it's pretty good
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

Ok I read the spin sanity points and its kinda nit picking "was not proven" and "is no evidence".

Moore did twist events to produce a propergander effect... exactly the same way any media or information article does. What more said was not "The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" but it was still essentialy true and a lot less biased than mainstream media.

The one thing thats really not been picked up on and REALLY yanks my chain is when Moore said the 'collition' against Iraq was made up solely of American troops. AND I SUPPOSE THE BRITISH SOLIDERS WHO DIED MEAN NOTHING TO THE (fat) STUPID WHITE MAN! But then the point of that scene was to show that it was not a gobal unification against saddam but just the US and its puppets up against the rest of the world, so its true in spirit if not 100% factually accurate.

While Moore distored events what he reports is still true and still moore (lol pun) acurrate than the mainstream in spirit.

Oh my god! That validates the entire war against Iraq! I'm voting for Bush now!

/extreme sarcasm

Let's try this again. Name one meaningful lie.

Ah ha ha haaaaaaa this guys good, can you feel the sarcastic hate in this dude

Ah ha ha haaaaaaa this guys good, can you feel the sarcastic hate in this dude

No, hate. Merely contempt for those who try to refute Moore's movie by saying, "hey, there was only one egg, not three!"

Did Bush sit still for 7 minutes while the nation was under attack? Yes.

Does Bush have many convoluted ties to the Saudis? Yes

Has Bush blocked investigation into Saudi terrorist leads? Yes.

And yet ... in the film clip shown, at least three eggs hit the car ...

Lemme guess ... Moore digitally added eggs ...

Can't argue with it when it's on film, man. Give up. F911 has been proven to be unquestionably accurate.

Without discussing the merits of Fahrenheit 9/11 specifically, I would have to say that this is a naive outlook, Keruvalia. Aliens v. Predators is also on film, but do you truly believe two butt-ugly interstellar races had it out in Antarctica this summer?

i can redirect you to this fact check site:
www.michaelmoore.com


http://www.factcheck.org/ <-- I find this one to be a little less biased.

To Gymoor and all the rest obsessed with the eggs:
Have you actually read the articles posted? Beyond the egg thing, which I admit is stupid, he also insinuated things that did not happen. For example, The Saudis and Bin-Ladens left the country AFTER international flights had begun, on the 14th, and several Saudis were questioned thoroughly. Also, the same Saudis sold their stock in Carlyle (sp?) Group BEFORE the war began, Moore just neglected to mention it.Not that everything he says is a lie, but it 'aint all fact either.
To Nog Eghoeg:
Of course it's nitpicky. What do you expect? When someone presents information as fact, the information should at lest BE fact.

Oh, I'm not saying that the film was unbiased or constructed in such a way as to give a 100% accurate impression. The thing is, NOTHING in politics is truthful. Moores movie does contain some pretty damning video footage, and unlike Bush campaign ads, often includes footage that hasn't been chopped into 3 seconds of misleading speech, as the Bush ads do ALL THE TIME to Kerry's speeches.

Can anyone name the words before and after Kerry said he voted for and against the $87B?

While Moore's movie may be dishonest, I would say that it is MORE honest than Bush's campaign has been.

I haven't seen Fahrenheit 9/11, but I did watch MSNBC last election. They declared Bush the winner in Florida around 11:00 Central time, and stuck with it until around 1 a.m. I can't be mistaking MSNBC for Fox, because we didn't have Foxnews until last year.
I remember when the networks called Gore the winner early (around 8:30 Eastern). They cut away to Bush and his family, and Bush looked really concerned. Then he made a phone call. I'm guessing it was to Jeb saying, "You promised me the state. What's going on here?" The fix was in and they knew it.
BUSH CHEATS

[QUOTE=Friedmanville]Too funny!

Bush is a great president!!! Don't believe me?
www.whithouse.gov

Yeah, that "whithouse" site has a complete list of all Bush's accomplishments as President.
Or, those over 18 could try whitehouse.com. Now *there's* the kind of politicians we need!

ok, let's try this again.

Moore: Bush's limo was pelted with eggs

BBC (which so many liberals worship): one egg was thrown
You still stuck on the eggs deal? I thought I had already scrambled them for you? You forgot about the tens of thousands of protesters who came out to protest Bush's "stealing" of the election. That should be the focus, and not the egg.

Here is a replay for you:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7211145#post7211145

The Force Majeure
Ok. I'll just go over the first one I noticed.

Moore's claim: "On the day George W. Bush was inaugurated, tens of thousands of Americans poured into the streets of D.C. They pelted Bush’s limo with eggs."

BBC: One egg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1127937.stm

Try to think for yourself


I do think for myself, thank you very much, and perhaps if you shift the paradigm a little, you might notice the really important points?

You would start a discussion over the number of eggs that were thrown at the Bush motorcade but you would miss the fact that "tens of thousands" were protesting the "election?" of George W. Bush. That caught my eye more than any egg(s) that were thrown.

At least I know eggsactly what your problem is now!! :eek:

Heck.....you even changed the words attributed to Moore LOL!!

The one thing thats really not been picked up on and REALLY yanks my chain is when Moore said the 'collition' against Iraq was made up solely of American troops. AND I SUPPOSE THE BRITISH SOLIDERS WHO DIED MEAN NOTHING TO THE (fat) STUPID WHITE MAN! But then the point of that scene was to show that it was not a gobal unification against saddam but just the US and its puppets up against the rest of the world, so its true in spirit if not 100% factually accurate.

While Moore distored events what he reports is still true and still moore (lol pun) acurrate than the mainstream in spirit.



Don't forget Poland!

Oh my god! That validates the entire war against Iraq! I'm voting for Bush now!

/extreme sarcasm

Let's try this again. Name one meaningful lie.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723 That names more than 1 lie.

for everyone who would like to check the lies on fahrenheit 9/11 check out this new movie: Celsius 41.11
website:http://www.citizensunited-interactive.org/c41.11/

may i also suggest that you check your own facts instead of asking for people to tell you them because they could very possiblily be lies... so instead of listening to a bunch of bull you are getting the facts that you need to make the right decision

for everyone who would like to check the lies on fahrenheit 9/11 check out this new movie: Celsius 41.11
website:http://www.citizensunited-interactive.org/c41.11/

may i also suggest that you check your own facts instead of asking for people to tell you them because they could very possiblily be lies... so instead of listening to a bunch of bull you are getting the facts that you need to make the right decision

And will you be open-mindedly fact-checking any untruths that make their way into Celsius 41.11?

To Gymoor and all the rest obsessed with the eggs:
Have you actually read the articles posted? Beyond the egg thing, which I admit is stupid, he also insinuated things that did not happen. For example, The Saudis and Bin-Ladens left the country AFTER international flights had begun, on the 14th, and several Saudis were questioned thoroughly. Also, the same Saudis sold their stock in Carlyle (sp?) Group BEFORE the war began, Moore just neglected to mention it.Not that everything he says is a lie, but it 'aint all fact either.
To Nog Eghoeg:
Of course it's nitpicky. What do you expect? When someone presents information as fact, the information should at lest BE fact.

Its Nag Ehgoeg. When informations is presented as fact it should at least be fact. Get my name right, your entire argument is invalid. Good day sir! :P

Now F911 is NOT presented as fact. Its a film documantary. Its information presented as a cometary to forfill a politcall agenda. It is not ment to inform. It is not meant to be fact. It is meant to say: "This happened. This is how I feel about it. Look at me I'm on film again! This is info-tainment because you're all to ****ing stupid to get the information through your thick working class skulls any other way!". The film is moore on his soap box presenting information in a hidoesly biased way to drum up support for the anti-bush campaigne. It is NOT fair and unbaised fact. It is not meant to be and it is not presented as fact. It is (and is presented as) the other side of the story. It is the voice of the dissatisfied and the downtrodden. It is free media and the freedom of speach and furtherment of democracy.

No media is free of bias and agenda.
No media is the whole truth

Moore is biased BUT this bias exists to counteract the existing biases to gain the support of apathetic voters against bush and for nader.

ONLY by weighing up ALL the information from ALL the sources can a fair and accurate versoin of events be recreated. Any historian, sociaolist etc will tell you that. There is never a complete and fair source. If you want the truth you have to go looking. And if your too lazy or too stupid to do it don't waste my time and yours debating thr inaccuracy of one source when the mainstream media preachs black is white from dawn till doomsday.

No offense.

All sources are biased.
All sources are supposed to be biased.
You can not create an unbiased source.
9/11 is entertainement before information, and agenda before that
Just like all other "factual" "news" media

bravo Nag Ehgoeg!

Without discussing the merits of Fahrenheit 9/11 specifically, I would have to say that this is a naive outlook, Keruvalia. Aliens v. Predators is also on film, but do you truly believe two butt-ugly interstellar races had it out in Antarctica this summer?

Yes ... yes I do ... *chuckle*

No, but seriously, Moore didn't make the film footage of the eggs hitting the car. If he actually made it, I'd be more skeptical. However, Moore bought the film from someone else - it looked like a CNN feed or somesuch - and there were a lot of people around.

I tend to believe something when there is:

A] Video footage.
B] Corroborating Photographs.
C] Eyewitness Testimony.

It rests very comfortably outside the realm of reasonable doubt. As one of hundreds of millions of jurists in the Moore case, I gotta side with Moore on the egg issue.

While I realise that just because it's on film doesn't automatically make it reality, I also realise that just because I didn't physically see it with my own eyes doesn't automatically make it a falsehood. After all ... I've never even seen a photograph of the American Revolution, but I know it happened.

What Moore fails to reveal in this criticism is the 42 percent includes weekends and visits to Camp David where Bush talked with foreign leaders.

Oh, so being President of the USA is only a 5-day a week deal? Awesome!
I'll just go fill out my application form.

What Moore fails to reveal in this criticism is the 42 percent includes weekends and visits to Camp David where Bush talked with foreign leaders.

Actually, he does include that defense of the time at Camp David in the narration.

Now F911 is NOT presented as fact. Its a film documantary. Its information presented as a cometary to forfill a politcall agenda. It is not ment to inform. It is not meant to be fact. It is meant to say: "This happened. This is how I feel about it. Look at me I'm on film again! This is info-tainment because you're all to ****ing stupid to get the information through your thick working class skulls any other way!". The film is moore on his soap box presenting information in a hidoesly biased way to drum up support for the anti-bush campaigne. It is NOT fair and unbaised fact. It is not meant to be and it is not presented as fact. It is (and is presented as) the other side of the story. It is the voice of the dissatisfied and the downtrodden. It is free media and the freedom of speach and furtherment of democracy.

No media is free of bias and agenda.
No media is the whole truth

Moore is biased BUT this bias exists to counteract the existing biases to gain the support of apathetic voters against bush and for nader.

ONLY by weighing up ALL the information from ALL the sources can a fair and accurate versoin of events be recreated. Any historian, sociaolist etc will tell you that. There is never a complete and fair source. If you want the truth you have to go looking. And if your too lazy or too stupid to do it don't waste my time and yours debating thr inaccuracy of one source when the mainstream media preachs black is white from dawn till doomsday.

No offense.

All sources are biased.
All sources are supposed to be biased.
You can not create an unbiased source.
9/11 is entertainement before information, and agenda before that
Just like all other "factual" "news" media


While I agree with you that all media is biased, the mainstream media in the US does not air many (if any) of Moore's contentions for a reason- they are patently false, and to claim that Moore's views are less biased than ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, or FOX News, is just mind boggling. See the latest bruhaha at CBS Evening News? That's what happens when major news outlets go too fast and loose with the evidence. Since people, by and large, see Moore's films and read his books to have their own views reenforced, Moore need not make a credible claim to honesty.

for everyone who would like to check the lies on fahrenheit 9/11 check out this new movie: Celsius 41.11
website:http://www.citizensunited-interactive.org/c41.11/

may i also suggest that you check your own facts instead of asking for people to tell you them because they could very possiblily be lies... so instead of listening to a bunch of bull you are getting the facts that you need to make the right decision
When they see the film (Fahrenheit 911), they will get more than enough factual information. :D

Moore is simply trying to get his beliefs out and to convince people to see things his way. I agree with him on many issues and think it was a fine film. Though people should stop calling him biased. He has said many times that of course this is only one side. It is obvious that his films are propaganda and cannot be called anything else because they are one-sided. However Moore did the film to give his concerns over various issues, not to have a debate on who's right and who' wrong. Moore believes he is right and if you disagree, fine. This is a movie that I believe tops Bowling for Columbine.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/homelandsecurity.pdf
Yeah nothing fishy about this...
Since we've arrested 5,000 people since 9/11 and have convicted none of them even though some have been imprisoned for years, this doesn't bother anyone?
Moore and we all have a right to ask these questions.

But, then again, when the Bush worshipping conservative publication "The New Yorker" said it was accurate, suddenly "The New Yorker" became part of the screaming "liberal media".

You neocons just hate being wrong, don't ya?



Are you out of your mind? The New Yorker has zero conservative slant whatsoever. In fact it is if anything *anti-bush.*

Sy Hersh broke the Abu Ghraib scandal in it!

I subscribe to The New Yorker and you evidently do not read it.



That aside, no one has collected Michael Moore's 10,000 dollar reward for finding a factual error in his film.

Do not believe the palpable liars when they claim the movie is riddled with falsehood. Liars afterall go to hell.

That aside, no one has collected Michael Moore's 10,000 dollar reward for finding a factual error in his film.

Um ... and where do we go to collect this $10,000? Michael Moore??? ROFL!

Um ... and where do we go to collect this $10,000? Michael Moore??? ROFL!

Yes...what part of "Michael Moore will give you $10,000" did you not understand and why do you find it so funny?

i can redirect you to this fact check site:
www.michaelmoore.com

So, we should go to michael moore's site to check the facts in his movie?
absurd!!!

And will you be open-mindedly fact-checking any untruths that make their way into Celsius 41.11?

yea sure i will once i see i... i want to check everything from everything to make sure im making the right descion this election...and so should everyone else instead of going off of word of mouth

Sadly although I agree with the political message behind the film, (the sooner Bush and those gits in power with him are out the better) it is propoganda, that uses clever selective editing in order to put across a one sided example. I can give you one specific example of this....there is a point in the film where the narrative is talking condemning the war in Iraq. The voice is overlaid with pictures of US military activity that we are led to believe is in Iraq, one of the most dramatic sequences is of an area of land being bombed. This footage was taken from the 2001 campaign in Afghanistan and not the 2003 war in Iraq.

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/

Im suprised nobody brought this up. In no way is it unbiased but it is very informative and very well written. They categorically despin and debunk individual deceptions in Moore's works.

I saw Fahrenheit 911 yesterday. Some parts were good. Other parts were bad. I especially liked the distraught Iraqi woman yelling curses and screaming "ALLAH AKHBAR! ALLAH AKBHAR!".