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For all of Bush joking that he doesn't own a timber company, turns out.... that Kerry was correct.

"Kerry: The president got $84 from a timber company that owns, and he's counted as a small business. Dick Cheney's counted as a small business. That's how they do things. That's just not right.

Bush: I own a timber company?

That's news to me.

(LAUGHTER)"


Too bad that Dick Cheney's favourite site confirms it! (http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx@docID=275.html)


according to his 2003 financial disclosure form, Bush does own part interest in "LSTF, LLC", a limited-liability company organized "for the purpose of the production of trees for commercial sales." (See "supporting documents" (http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/BushTreeGrowingCompany.pdf))

So Bush was wrong to suggest that he doesn't have ownership of a timber company. And Kerry was correct in saying that Bush's definition of "small business" is so broad that Bush himself would have qualified as a "small business" in 2001 by virtue of the $84 in business income



Whoopsie!

someone's gonna be in trouble :D

someone's gonna be in trouble :D

Last time I checked, he already was up shit creek without a paddle.

IT was actually Bush's second "joke" that got me...

BUSH: I own a timber company?

(LAUGHTER)

That's news to me.

(LAUGHTER)

Need some wood?

(LAUGHTER)

I dunno, but 'round here that could be seen as propositioning the audience in ways normally associated with Clinton!

:D

Last time I checked, he already was up shit creek without a paddle.


Oh .... he's got a paddle ... it's just got holes in it and he doesn't have a canoe.

Republican definition of a small company is one with turnover of less than $US billion. :p

Well, anything under a billion is more of a hobby than a business.... lol.

i thought the president usually put his assets into blind trusts while he is in office so he wont have to worry about conflict of interest.

when jimmy carter was president, his very successful peanut business was in a blind trust. when he got out, he found out he was bankrupt.

i thought the president usually put his assets into blind trusts while he is in office so he wont have to worry about conflict of interest.

when jimmy carter was president, his very successful peanut business was in a blind trust. when he got out, he found out he was bankrupt.


Putting your assets into blind trust is one thing, but this does not require total obliviousness to how your personal assets are doing. Indeed, he would still be required by law to sign his own income tax statements would he not?

Or are you suggesting that he is barred from reading the public disclosure documents of his own holdings?

Putting your assets into blind trust is one thing, but this does not require total obliviousness to how your personal assets are doing. Indeed, he would still be required by law to sign his own income tax statements would he not?

Or are you suggesting that he is barred from reading the public disclosure documents of his own holdings?

actually i thought he WOULD be in total ignorance

but i have no knowlege that his stuff is in a blind trust or that he was "required" to do so. maybe thats just for extremely moral men like jimmy carter.

it doesnt surprise me a bit that he doesnt know that he is part owner of a wood business. he seems to me to be just the kind of man who has an extremely complicated income tax return that he doesnt even glance through before he signs it. what could possibly go wrong?

I don't care if he screwed up on that one thing in the debate, I still think Kerry is a wishy-washy liar who still doesn't have a stance on many of the issues.

I don't care if he screwed up on that one thing in the debate, I still think Kerry is a wishy-washy liar who still doesn't have a stance on many of the issues.
IQ dropping...cant understand, no longer familiar with kyesagnKABR

I don't care if he screwed up on that one thing.

One thing? :D

I was reading about the timber company on that website, and Bush wasn't that wrong. He only owns a tiny bit of interest in that company, he probably doesn't consider that owning a company.

One thing? :D

....in the debate. You cut that part off.

i thought the president usually put his assets into blind trusts while he is in office so he wont have to worry about conflict of interest.

when jimmy carter was president, his very successful peanut business was in a blind trust. when he got out, he found out he was bankrupt.

It wasnt a peanut business he was a peanut farmer.

BUSH: I own a timber company?

(LAUGHTER)

That's news to me.

(LAUGHTER)

Need some wood?

(LAUGHTER)


Funniest damn debate ever.

actually i thought he WOULD be in total ignorance

but i have no knowlege that his stuff is in a blind trust or that he was "required" to do so. maybe thats just for extremely moral men like jimmy carter.

it doesnt surprise me a bit that he doesnt know that he is part owner of a wood business. he seems to me to be just the kind of man who has an extremely complicated income tax return that he doesnt even glance through before he signs it. what could possibly go wrong?


Well, you could make fun of the assertion of your opponent and wind up with egg on your face.....


Or - if you really don't know your holdings (and most SUCCESSFUL businessmen are way more hands-on than that) - you could state seriously that you are unaware of it and instead discuss the other points that were made.


Because he winds up looking pretty dumb the way he did it.

I just enjoyed "We have a plan to improve wetlands by three million." I didn't cut anything off, that's the end of his statement. Classic Bush.

The timber thing was pretty funny too.

I was reading about the timber company on that website, and Bush wasn't that wrong. He only owns a tiny bit of interest in that company, he probably doesn't consider that owning a company.


I agree, partly.

Ownership of a portion of a buisness does not constitute ownership of that buisness.

What Kerry said was that the bill gives tax credits to people who count AS small buisnesses by the tax code. He claimed that both Bush and Cheney did count as such.

Now, I'm not saying that Kerry is wrong. However, I will not consider him right until and unless I see the official language from the tax code.

Well, you could make fun of the assertion of your opponent and wind up with egg on your face.....


Or - if you really don't know your holdings (and most SUCCESSFUL businessmen are way more hands-on than that) - you could state seriously that you are unaware of it and instead discuss the other points that were made.


Because he winds up looking pretty dumb the way he did it.

yes but mr bush has never been a successful businessman

kinda makes you wonder about the value of a Harvard MBA

I agree, partly.

Ownership of a portion of a buisness does not constitute ownership of that buisness.

What Kerry said was that the bill gives tax credits to people who count AS small buisnesses by the tax code. He claimed that both Bush and Cheney did count as such.

Now, I'm not saying that Kerry is wrong. However, I will not consider him right until and unless I see the official language from the tax code.

ask and ye shall recieve.
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/BushTreeGrowingCompany.pdf

I think I heard wrong because the girls I was watching the debate with were making a lot of noise at the time, but at one part did Bush mistakenly call Kerry 'Senator Kennedy'?

I think I heard wrong because the girls I was watching the debate with were making a lot of noise at the time, but at one part did Bush mistakenly call Kerry 'Senator Kennedy'?
he did indeed, and boy was i cracking up at that one.

someone's gonna be in trouble :D

He lies all the time and nobody has checked that, yet.

He lies all the time and nobody has checked that, yet.

Au contraire, mon amie. We've been calling him a liar since his first day in Office. A large percentage of your population have already recognised this.

Just in case you missed it:

." We should clarify: the $84 in Schedule C income was from Bush's Lone Star Trust, which is actually described on the 2001 income-tax returns as an "oil and gas production" business. The Lone Star Trust now owns 50% of the tree-growing company, but didn't get into that business until two years after the $84 in question. So we should have described the $84 as coming from an "oil and gas" business in 2001, and will amend that in our earlier article.

I just enjoyed "We have a plan to improve wetlands by three million." I didn't cut anything off, that's the end of his statement. Classic Bush.

The timber thing was pretty funny too.

The timber was fun, but it was when he referred to coal as "clean energy" that I really cracked up.

The timber was fun, but it was when he referred to coal as "clean energy" that I really cracked up.I didn't understand that either. Even low sulphur coal is pretty dirty.

I checked it out too. It seems the same company got the right to log on federal land. Also I cheched that the company gave him money for his last campaighn. What a crook.

For all of Bush joking that he doesn't own a timber company, turns out.... that Kerry was correct.

"Kerry: The president got $84 from a timber company that owns, and he's counted as a small business. Dick Cheney's counted as a small business. That's how they do things. That's just not right.

Bush: I own a timber company?

That's news to me.

(LAUGHTER)"


Too bad that Dick Cheney's favourite site confirms it! (http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx@docID=275.html)




Whoopsie!

Bush should just bend over now and willingly let Kerry ass rape him, because we all know that it's inevitable. Bush's lies are finally catching up to him.

next debate is a public sodomizing of gwb by john kerry

I checked it out too. It seems the same company got the right to log on federal land. Also I cheched that the company gave him money for his last campaighn. What a crook.
You mean to say that his company has rights to log on federal lands and that he allows his company to donate to his own election campaign at taxpayer expense?

How crooked is that?

Perhaps you have a link?

next debate is a public sodomizing of gwb by john kerry
*eyes wide open in shock* Talk about a bipartisan effort!

I think I heard wrong because the girls I was watching the debate with were making a lot of noise at the time, but at one part did Bush mistakenly call Kerry 'Senator Kennedy'?

Yeah, he said that "Senator Kennedy" was ranked the most liberal senator. I thought he was talking about Ted Kennedy at first and couldn't figure out why the hell that mattered -- then I realized that Bush had become so neurotic that he actuall thought that he was debating the ghost of John F. Kennedy -- which makes sense, because Kerry is a Kennedy protege and Bush's Father's CIA had him killed.

I won't fault Bush about what he said about coal. He didn't say it was a clean fuel. What he said was that they are investing in clean coal technology, of which there is lots of innovation. However, what he fails to mention is that these clean coal technologies mean NOTHING when he doesn't require the electric companies to utilize it. Giving coal fired power plants exemptions from installing scrubbers is not a wise environmental move. It saved businesses millions, and cost residents millions in health care costs.

West Virginia is leading the world in clean coal technology, but what good does it do us when all the clean coal credits goes to Wyoming? What's the point in developing technology that ends up going unnoticed? And to top it off, we get shafted for clean up funds in favor of places like Wyoming, when it costs a lot more to clean up an underground mine than it does an open pit like those in the west.

Sure, Bush was speaking the truth there, but he failed to mention that his truth has ended up hurting our environment even more. Good job Georgey boy.

http://www.bushflash.com/sp.html

http://www.youforgotpoland.com/bushwood.jpg

Need some wood?