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Between Operrsion and lack of reward for gays
here to sum it up, Being Gay is sin in the christain opoin but we aren't preventing gays from being gay we're attmepting to stop its encouragement like "we won't stop you from smoking, but we won't give money to you if you do"

You realize that gays are the most productive, educated group of people in our soicety? Of course not, your a christian Nazi.

I'm sick of seeing repbulicans post shit like this. Clearly homophobic, they're not asking you to get into bed with them. Just tolerate them.

Have you ever seen the photos of Aushwitz, or Buchenwald. The shrivled, half dead, living corpses? Many of those people were homosexuals perescuted by the Nazis.

And you Catholics/Baptists/Oh gives a rats ass, are no better.

Do us all a favor and take that sheet off your bed and put it over your head, so then everyone can see what a flithy, miserable, creature you are.

You ask them to tolerate, yet are unwilling to tolerate them in turn.

You ask them to tolerate, yet are unwilling to tolerate them in turn.

Uh...I don't tolerate KKK racists...are you saying I should?

I'm all for gay marriage and all. What they do is their business. I just want them to keep away from me.

(btw, i'm a liberal)

You do realize that many of the top Nazis- possibly including Hitler himself- were homosexuals, right?

As for my opinion of homosexuals, I have no ill feelings toward them. I respect anyone as long as they respect me in return.

You might have better success by not having the title homophobes. And also by not calling them Nazis. And also by actually raising a point that hasnt been raised till it became so old and worn out that its in a museam exhibit hall.

You ask them to tolerate, yet are unwilling to tolerate them in turn.

You're saying we should tolerate Nazis in this country? Have you seen the pictures of the Holocaust? Have you?

Obvisouly death, and human sufferage means nothing to you.

You do realize that many of the top Nazis- possibly including Hitler himself- were homosexuals, right?

As for my opinion of homosexuals, I have no ill feelings toward them. I respect anyone as long as they respect me in return.

Hitler was straight idiot. So was Goebbels, Himmler, Borman, Goering(goering was a cross dresser). But most of them were straight. They were Sadists, but they weren't gay.

You do realize that many of the top Nazis- possibly including Hitler himself- were homosexuals, right?

As for my opinion of homosexuals, I have no ill feelings toward them. I respect anyone as long as they respect me in return.
Got proof?

Uh...I don't tolerate KKK racists...are you saying I should?
No, but he/she could have used a different tone. Hate breeds hate and the situation will only escalate if the tone isn't changed by at least one side.

Hitler was straight idiot. So was Goebbels, Himmler, Borman, Goering(goering was a cross dresser). But most of them were straight. They were Sadists, but they weren't gay.

No need to be an asshole.

Hitler had sex with a lot of men when he was a prostitute as a teenager.

oi... you americans are dumb

Do I hear any more homophobes say "respect me if you want my respect"?

Grow up. You can't tell people that they are sinful and selfish and disgusting, and then tell them they must respect your rhetoric.

When was the last time a gang of homosexuals tied a straight man to a fence and beat him to death?

Have you ever seen the photos of Aushwitz, or Buchenwald. The shrivled, half dead, living corpses? Many of those people were homosexuals perescuted by the Nazis.
There might have been homosexuals at Auschwitz and Buchenwald, but they weren't there because they were gay. They were there because they were Jews. People persecuted specifically for being gay were not sent to Auschwitz and Buchenwald, and were not sent to extermination camps, but to work camps. The Nazi persecution of gays has been mischaracterized to a great extent... few gays were put to death by the Nazis. When the Allies liberated the Nazi concentration camps, many gays were sent back to prison because the Allies also considered them dangerous sex criminals.

No, but he/she could have used a different tone. Hate breeds hate and the situation will only escalate if the tone isn't changed by at least one side.

Listen to yourself. You tell someone who has experienced discrimination and hatred because of their sexual orientation, that "hate breeds hate" and the tone needs to be changed by at least one side...

It's very clear which side is the hateful one.

No need to be an asshole.

Hitler had sex with a lot of men when he was a prostitute as a teenager.
Got proof?

It's very clear which side is the hateful one.
Both sides are capable of hating each other, and in some cases both sides do. In this case the original poster obviously is full of hate.

On tolerance of KKK members: I believe the ideals on which the KKK runs are some of the most vile garbage on the planet. However, they are still human beings and thus have that annoying innate value. I tolerate the person, not the acts and I oppose the same thing backwards.

On homosexuality: I'll be honest. It disgusts me. On the other hand, they're doing no harm. I can find nothing morally objectionable to it. I have no right to oppose it, even if I don't like it.

Got proof?

Read, for example, The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams, The 12-Year Reich by Richard Grunberger, and Sex and Society in Nazi Germany by Hans Bleuel.

I am so saddened by the hate spewed because some choose to love differently. If two consenting adults love and respect one another and choose to live their lives together, is that really worth hating? Civil unions, marriage call it whatever you like but as taxpayers and law abiding citizens gays are deserving of equal rights. No one is asking for special rights. If your religion condemns their acts then let God decide no one else. Just let freedom ring for all. Finally, gays, lesbians, jews, cripples, christians , gypsies and various other groups were ALL killed by the Nazis/ This is fact not fiction, as much as I wish it had been.

Both sides are capable of hating each other, and in some cases both sides do. In this case the original poster obviously is full of hate.

LMFAO. Someone spits on you, tells you that you are a vile selfish hedonist who's going to hell, your parents disown you, you are not allowed to marry your love, laws even exist that can send you to jail if you make love to your partner...

and you are surprised that the original poster is full of hate?!

Cut with the shit. If you knew something about discrimination, be it racial, sexual, or sexual orientation, then maybe you would think before saying something as foolish as "both sides hate each other".

Obvisouly death, and human sufferage means nothing to you.

You know what suffrage is, right?

And are you a homophobe, or gay? because you get awfully worked up about this.

I am so saddened by the hate spewed because some choose to love differently. If two consenting adults love and respect one another and choose to live their lives together, is that really worth hating? Civil unions, marriage call it whatever you like but as taxpayers and law abiding citizens gays are deserving of equal rights. No one is asking for special rights. If your religion condemns their acts then let God decide no one else. Just let freedom ring for all. Finally, gays, lesbians, jews, cripples, christians , gypsies and various other groups were ALL killed by the Nazis/ This is fact not fiction, as much as I wish it had been.
Love has always been one of the most controversial factors of marriage. That wont change for a very long time. It has the power pierce through all social stratifications. Some feel threatened by it others could care less. You don't need love to get married, but sometimes that's all you need.

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Love has always been one of the most controversial factors of marriage. That wont change for a very long time. It has the power pierce through all social stratifications. Some feel threatened by it others could care less. You don't need love to get married, but sometimes that's all you need.

Well, sometimes LAW and CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS get in the way of marriage. For instance, the bans on interracial marriage 50 years ago, and the bans on gay marriage today. Sometimes, love just isn't enough.

I am so saddened by the hate spewed because some choose to love differently. If two consenting adults love and respect one another and choose to live their lives together, is that really worth hating? Civil unions, marriage call it whatever you like but as taxpayers and law abiding citizens gays are deserving of equal rights. No one is asking for special rights. If your religion condemns their acts then let God decide no one else. Just let freedom ring for all. Finally, gays, lesbians, jews, cripples, christians , gypsies and various other groups were ALL killed by the Nazis/ This is fact not fiction, as much as I wish it had been.
The Nazis did not have an anti-gay ideology. Most of the gays sent to the concentration camps were mere political prisoners sent on false charges. Sure, gays did die in the Nazi regime, but that does not prove the existence of an ideological opposition to homosexuality. After all, the Nazis killed a great deal of people, and most of the victims did not die because of specific Nazi ideology. A large percentage of homosexuals were loyal to Hitler, and the popular conception of Nazi persecution of homosexuality is greatly distorted. The issue of Nazis killing gays should be put in the context of general Nazi brutality, not of specific persecution.

The Nazis did not have an anti-gay ideology. Most of the gays sent to the concentration camps were mere political prisoners sent on false charges. Sure, gays did die in the Nazi regime, but that does not prove the existence of an ideological opposition to homosexuality. After all, the Nazis killed a great deal of people, and most of the victims did not die because of specific Nazi ideology. A large percentage of homosexuals were loyal to Hitler, and the popular conception of Nazi persecution of homosexuality is greatly distorted. The issue of Nazis killing gays should be put in the context of general Nazi brutality, not of specific persecution.
Gays were, just like jews, part of the inferior humans unworthy of living. They invented a special symbol for them to wear in concentration camps. The Nazis did have an anti-gay ideology.

LMFAO. Someone spits on you, tells you that you are a vile selfish hedonist who's going to hell, your parents disown you, you are not allowed to marry your love, laws even exist that can send you to jail if you make love to your partner...

and you are surprised that the original poster is full of hate?!

Cut with the shit. If you knew something about discrimination, be it racial, sexual, or sexual orientation, then maybe you would think before saying something as foolish as "both sides hate each other".
I would actually laugh at some of those things, well depending on the situation. I have no plans on getting married anyways, so that part doesn't effect me as of yet. My parents disowning me, well that would only motivate me further. As for jail, how do they go about enforcing that law? That part has always confused me.

Well, sometimes LAW and CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS get in the way of marriage. For instance, the bans on interracial marriage 50 years ago, and the bans on gay marriage today. Sometimes, love just isn't enough.
That was more along the lines to make a marriage work between the partners involved. My fault, should have specified.

There might have been homosexuals at Auschwitz and Buchenwald, but they weren't there because they were gay. They were there because they were Jews. People persecuted specifically for being gay were not sent to Auschwitz and Buchenwald, and were not sent to extermination camps, but to work camps. The Nazi persecution of gays has been mischaracterized to a great extent... few gays were put to death by the Nazis. When the Allies liberated the Nazi concentration camps, many gays were sent back to prison because the Allies also considered them dangerous sex criminals.

I see you havent actually studied the holocaust. the death camps werent only filled with jews, but gypsies, poles, communists, HOMOSEXUALS, people with obvious mental deficiencies, and political opposition. jews only made up about half of the extermination camps. and the work camps you are referring to? well, i suppose you could call dachau or birkenau work camps, as well as Nordhausen and Belzec, but people still died wholesale from things like lack of food, sickness, and gas. you know, it wouldnt hurt you to pick up a history book every once in a while.

ffs people. first of all starting off the thread by saying homo sexuals are the most effiecient workers is complete balls being gay doesnt make you a workaholic, or a party animal, or a hair dresser it means you like to sleep with men. full stop the end thats the only difference i'm bi-sexual and yeah it annoys me the amount of people that hate gays. but it also annoys me the amount of people who think all homphobic people are evil. gays have a right 2 sleep with men homophobics have a right 2 hate us for it just stay away from each other no problem at all.
ps starting threads like this doesnt make you a gay rights activist get a life

Gays were, just like jews, part of the inferior humans unworthy of living. They invented a special symbol for them to wear in concentration camps. The Nazis did have an anti-gay ideology.
Only a few thousand people were killed for being gay, and many of them were not even gay... the government made up groundless charges to arrest political prisoners. The persecution of gays, based on old Imperial sexual laws, was not carried out very enthusiastically. Lesbianism was not illegal, and gays could escape punishment by pretending to be straight. The situation of the Jews and gays were far from similar. Whereas the Nazis killed the Jews for being born Jewish, the Nazis believed that homosexuality was a choice. THey didn't kill gays for being inferior humans, but because they thought that gays were not contributing to the state by producing children and expanding the Aryan population. If a gay man suddenly started to impregnate a lot of women, then he would be considered useful to the Reich. Furthermore, Hitler never made any ideological condemnations of homosexuality. Indeed the Nazi persecution of gays was irregular and unspecific.

You ask them to tolerate, yet are unwilling to tolerate them in turn.


So the jews during the holocaust are to be falted for not 'tolerating' the actions of the nazis?


Ludicrous drivel.

So the jews during the holocaust are to be falted for not 'tolerating' the actions of the nazis?


Ludicrous drivel.
we were talking about gays who started all this bull about the holocaust? :headbang:

I personally think being gay is wrong and I am for protecting marrige, BUT I don't think we should seek out who is gay and who isn't, nor should we persecute them. Persecuting them is just as bad as being gay yourself, instead we should do what Jesus said and help those who have gone astray with kindness and understanding.

hitler wasnt gay so stop that rumor but the catholic church has nothing against homosexuals, they think it the same as left-handeness, nothing can do about it; however the Church is against gay marriage because the purpose of marriage is love and creation: while the love does exist, creation cannot in a gay marriage. as for what other members of the catholic faith i cannot say. I personally have nothing against gays, blacks, hispanics, MUSLIMS, asians, or any other people. The only people i cant tolerate are those who think that their race is dominate(KKK, Nazis, extremists, etc.)

I would actually laugh at some of those things, well depending on the situation. I have no plans on getting married anyways, so that part doesn't effect me as of yet. My parents disowning me, well that would only motivate me further. As for jail, how do they go about enforcing that law? That part has always confused me.

Obviously, sodomy laws are hard to enforce. However, the Texas sodomy laws were recently struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court (6-3 decision) after two gay men were arrested in Texas, and challenged their arrest. I'm not sure how they were discovered, maybe their neighbor called the police, said he saw a couple men holding hands, or kissing, I dunno.

The Nazis did not have an anti-gay ideology. Most of the gays sent to the concentration camps were mere political prisoners sent on false charges. Sure, gays did die in the Nazi regime, but that does not prove the existence of an ideological opposition to homosexuality. After all, the Nazis killed a great deal of people, and most of the victims did not die because of specific Nazi ideology. A large percentage of homosexuals were loyal to Hitler, and the popular conception of Nazi persecution of homosexuality is greatly distorted. The issue of Nazis killing gays should be put in the context of general Nazi brutality, not of specific persecution.

You stupid nazi pig. 25,000 gays were killed. Read real books not stupid shit made by some asshole living with his mom. "Mein Kampf" clearly states homosexuals must be killed. Just like fat ass Rush Limbaugh.

My god, the ignorance is intolerable.

www.wordiq.com/definition/Holocaust

Repbulicans? Who are they?

I see you havent actually studied the holocaust. the death camps werent only filled with jews, but gypsies, poles, communists, HOMOSEXUALS, people with obvious mental deficiencies, and political opposition.
I also see you havent studied the holocaust... you do not realize that many homosexuals were loyal Nazis, and the Nazis didn't persecute lesbians at all. Can you prove to me where Hitler has issued an ideological edict against homosexuality? The fact is, the holocaust against gays has been rather exaggerated, and it is terrible that gays were killed during the Nazi regime. All I'm saying is that the context of their death is different from the context of the murder of Jews, gypsies, and poles, not better, and not worse.

jews only made up about half of the extermination camps. and the work camps you are referring to? well, i suppose you could call dachau or birkenau work camps, as well as Nordhausen and Belzec, but people still died wholesale from things like lack of food, sickness, and gas. you know, it wouldnt hurt you to pick up a history book every once in a while.
During the Final Solution, Dachau was a death camp for the sole purpose of killing people. Gays could be freed when they served their sentence working in war factories. Many gays got out early by volunteering for the army or by somehow convincing the government that they were not gay.

hitler wasnt gay so stop that rumor but the catholic church has nothing against homosexuals, they think it the same as left-handeness, nothing can do about it; however the Church is against gay marriage because the purpose of marriage is love and creation: while the love does exist, creation cannot in a gay marriage. as for what other members of the catholic faith i cannot say. I personally have nothing against gays, blacks, hispanics, MUSLIMS, asians, or any other people. The only people i cant tolerate are those who think that their race is dominate(KKK, Nazis, extremists, etc.)

Catholic Church has nothing against homosexuals? :p

oh, gays can have kids, just so you know...they're not sterile.

btw, many heterosexuals cannot have kids...would you ban their marriage?

I personally think being gay is wrong and I am for protecting marrige, BUT I don't think we should seek out who is gay and who isn't, nor should we persecute them. Persecuting them is just as bad as being gay yourself, instead we should do what Jesus said and help those who have gone astray with kindness and understanding.

Hehe...kindness and understanding will de-gayify them alright. :p

Repbulicans? Who are they?

Comprised of bible-thumpers, Libertarians, and assorted bigots.

If you read the Illiad, Achilles is bisexual, he invited a fellow soldier to stay with him for the night, anyway, the main idea of that book is LIFE ISN'T FAIR there is nothing you can do but cope with it

LMFAO. Someone spits on you, tells you that you are a vile selfish hedonist who's going to hell, your parents disown you, you are not allowed to marry your love, laws even exist that can send you to jail if you make love to your partner...

and you are surprised that the original poster is full of hate?!

Cut with the shit. If you knew something about discrimination, be it racial, sexual, or sexual orientation, then maybe you would think before saying something as foolish as "both sides hate each other".

Oh, yes, that refutes his point that hate breeds hate, I am in awe of your debating skills. You know what else? In my experience, stupidity breeds laughter.

So the jews during the holocaust are to be falted for not 'tolerating' the actions of the nazis?


Ludicrous drivel.

Okay, as soon as a homophobe mass murders millions of gay people for being gay, you don't have to tolerate him anymore.

You stupid nazi pig. 25,000 gays were killed. Read real books not stupid shit made by some asshole living with his mom. "Mein Kampf" clearly states homosexuals must be killed. Just like fat ass Rush Limbaugh.

My god, the ignorance is intolerable.

www.wordiq.com/definition/Holocaust
Hmm I just checked through "Mein Kampf" and there is no mention of Gays anywhere in it. While Hitler was against Gays, he did not state so in "Mein Kampf".

You stupid nazi pig. 25,000 gays were killed. Read real books not stupid shit made by some asshole living with his mom. "Mein Kampf" clearly states homosexuals must be killed. Just like fat ass Rush Limbaugh.

My god, the ignorance is intolerable. What was done to them was wrong, can you get it through your thick head. And the repbulicans will do the same, if allowed.

You're saying we should tolerate Nazis in this country? Have you seen the pictures of the Holocaust? Have you?
Nazi speech is tolerated in America, and should be under that primary freedom you have. Nazi crimes are not, however.

Both sides are capable of hating each other, and in some cases both sides do. In this case the original poster obviously is full of hate.
He is not the original hater, he's only hating back. Not saying that its constructive, but he's not the aggravator.

I have read through this entire thread. What amazes me is the amount of immaturity and sheer stupidity there is here. If you dislike GLBT, i really don't care. I'll be who I want to be. And if any of you extremists want to do something about it, I can and will defend myself, physically if necessary...however, i believe that my sharpest weapon is my wits. that, and the fact that not EVERYONE who has a religion thinks that being gay is a sin. i, for one, have pagan-like beliefs. I am also a lesbian. does this mean i am sick and wrong too? if it does to you, that's just peachy. don't waste your breath, or your typing space, condemning me to whatever Monotheistic Hell you can come up with. Karma catches you in the end. most of you need to grow up, and stop bickering about history. focus on what is. not what was.

He is not the original hater, he's only hating back. Not saying that its constructive, but he's not the aggravator.
I know that

Nazi speech is tolerated in America, and should be under that primary freedom you have. Nazi crimes are not, however.


He is not the original hater, he's only hating back. Not saying that its constructive, but he's not the aggravator.

Does "he" refer to me?

Oh, yes, that refutes his point that hate breeds hate, I am in awe of your debating skills. You know what else? In my experience, stupidity breeds laughter.

And I am laughing. ;)

Okay, as soon as a homophobe mass murders millions of gay people for being gay, you don't have to tolerate him anymore.

So just a few gays beaten to death tied to fences, and systematic discrimination, that's not quite enough? You're very strict about when we can stop tolerating homophobes.

You stupid nazi pig. 25,000 gays were killed. Read real books not stupid shit made by some asshole living with his mom. "Mein Kampf" clearly states homosexuals must be killed. Just like fat ass Rush Limbaugh.

My god, the ignorance is intolerable.

www.wordiq.com/definition/Holocaust
Mein Kampf does not mention anything about homosexuals.

I have read through this entire thread. What amazes me is the amount of immaturity and sheer stupidity there is here. If you dislike GLBT, i really don't care. I'll be who I want to be. And if any of you extremists want to do something about it, I can and will defend myself, physically if necessary...however, i believe that my sharpest weapon is my wits. that, and the fact that not EVERYONE who has a religion thinks that being gay is a sin. i, for one, have pagan-like beliefs. I am also a lesbian. does this mean i am sick and wrong too? if it does to you, that's just peachy. don't waste your breath, or your typing space, condemning me to whatever Monotheistic Hell you can come up with. Karma catches you in the end. most of you need to grow up, and stop bickering about history. focus on what is. not what was.

Most of them

I also see you havent studied the holocaust... you do not realize that many homosexuals were loyal Nazis, and the Nazis didn't persecute lesbians at all. Can you prove to me where Hitler has issued an ideological edict against homosexuality? The fact is, the holocaust against gays has been rather exaggerated, and it is terrible that gays were killed during the Nazi regime. All I'm saying is that the context of their death is different from the context of the murder of Jews, gypsies, and poles, not better, and not worse.


During the Final Solution, Dachau was a death camp for the sole purpose of killing people. Gays could be freed when they served their sentence working in war factories. Many gays got out early by volunteering for the army or by somehow convincing the government that they were not gay.
From the Amazon book summary of "Men With The Pink Triangle":


It has only been since the mid-1970s that any attention has been paid to the persecution and interment of gay men by the Nazis during the Third Reich. Since that time, books such as Richard Plant's The Pink Triangle (and Martin Sherman's play Bent) have illuminated this nearly lost history. Heinz Heger's first-person account, The Men with the Pink Triangle, was one of the first books on the topic and remains one of the most important.

In 1939, Heger, a Viennese university student, was arrested and sentenced to prison for being a "degenerate." Within weeks he was transported to Sachsenhausen, a concentration camp in East Germany, and forced to wear a pink triangle to show that his crime was homosexuality. He remained there, under horrific conditions, until the end of the war in 1945. The power of The Men with the Pink Triangle comes from Heger's sparse prose and his ability to recall--and communicate--the smallest resonant details. The pain and squalor of everyday camp life--the constant filth, the continuous presence of death, and the unimaginable cruelty of those in command--are all here. But Heger's story would be unbearable were it not for the simple courage he and others used to survive and, having survived, that he bore witness. This book is harrowing but necessary reading for everyone concerned about gay history, human rights, or social justice. --Michael Bronski

[QUOTE=Chodolo]Catholic Church has nothing against homosexuals? :p

oh, gays can have kids, just so you know...they're not sterile.

btw, many heterosexuals cannot have kids...would you ban their marriage?


are you even catholic? same sex partners cannot have children together. it's the same reason why women cannot be priests(Christ is the groom, Church is the bride) you cant have a bride-bride marriage

Well, Mr. Alansyists, according to the website you provided (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Holocaust#Others):

The Nazi party made no systematic attempt to exterminate all homosexuals; according to Nazi law, being homosexual itself was not grounds for arrest. Some prominent members of the Nazi leadership were known to other Nazi leaders to be homosexual

My god, the ignorance is intolerable. What was done to them was wrong, can you get it through your thick head. And the repbulicans will do the same, if allowed.
Of course what was done to the homosexuals by Nazis was wrong. But their situation was not the same as the Jews, and the Hitler never had specific ideology against homosexuals. It doesn't make the killing of gays by the Nazis any better, but I am just bringing up facts that show Nazis were only theoretically interested in eliminating male homosexuality, and did not believe gays were subhuman. Gays frequently escaped persecution because the anti-gay laws were simply not enthusiastically enforced.

Look I don't want to debate the holocaust. I want to talk about those homophobic neo-nazi repbulicans.

are you even catholic? same sex partners cannot have children together. it's the same reason why women cannot be priests(Christ is the groom, Church is the bride) you cant have a bride-bride marriage

I was raised Catholic, but I've obviously rejected it.

And same-sex partners have children all the time, with surrogate parents, adoption, and the like.

Wait, you're gonna say that's not real!

So would you also attack infertile hetero couples who resort to the same methods?

And women cannot be priests because the Catholic institution is sexist, bigoted, and just plain out-dated. How long did it take them to allow black priests?

And what's this about Christ being the groom, and Church being the bride? I never knew Jesus was gonna get married...and I certainly thought of the Church being masculine, since it's dominated by men. Hmm...homosexual undertones, fascinating...

I was raised Catholic, but I've obviously rejected it.

And same-sex partners have children all the time, with surrogate parents, adoption, and the like.

Wait, you're gonna say that's not real!

So would you also attack infertile hetero couples who resort to the same methods?

And women cannot be priests because the Catholic institution is sexist, bigoted, and just plain out-dated. How long did it take them to allow black priests?

And what's this about Christ being the groom, and Church being the bride? I never knew Jesus was gonna get married...and I certainly thought of the Church being masculine, since it's dominated by men. Hmm...homosexual undertones, fascinating...

Close, more like child molestation. Remember kiddies, having sex with women is wrong, unless it's out of reproduction. Having sex with men your own age will send you to hell.

But molesting altar boys is fine.

Look I don't want to debate the holocaust. I want to talk about those homophobic neo-nazi repbulicans.


*laughs* Neo-Nazi Republicans? isn't that a contradiction? No? okay...maybe i shouldn't vote this year...Bushwhacked is an imbecile....but Cheney is cool.

the area i live in is notoriously homophobic...maybe the topic starter is from the Mid-Western United States, or the so-called "Bible Belt"...*shrugs* anyways...most of this thread seems to be a blame game...and it's a stupid one at that.

And I am laughing. ;)

Wow, you're both clever and witty! Man, you must get all the ladies. Hehe, its funny because I'm not telling the truth.



So just a few gays beaten to death tied to fences, and systematic discrimination, that's not quite enough? You're very strict about when we can stop tolerating homophobes.

Okay. By this logic, due to the fact that there are African-Americans, Caucasians and people of most probably every ethnic descent possibe who have ever killed anyone (and I'm sure many of them have done it out of hate), all thes people should be outlawed, leaving only non-human animals on the planet. Wait a minute! They've killed people too! Noooooo!

From the Amazon book summary of "Men With The Pink Triangle":
The Nazis treated all their prisoners horribly, even the work camps were atrocious. But the Nazis did not gas gays or prescribe death for homosexuals. Yes, a gay or political prisoner dying of the terrible conditions in a work camp is just as tragic as a Jew getting gassed, but the fact gays were not condemned to certain death like those in an extermination camp proves there was no specific Nazi doctrine against homosexuality. The nazis were vague on the issue of homosexuality, and great latitude were given to lesbians, "non-habitual" homosexuals (whatever that is), and other homosexuals loyal to the state.

I was raised Catholic, but I've obviously rejected it.

And same-sex partners have children all the time, with surrogate parents, adoption, and the like.

Wait, you're gonna say that's not real!

So would you also attack infertile hetero couples who resort to the same methods?

And women cannot be priests because the Catholic institution is sexist, bigoted, and just plain out-dated. How long did it take them to allow black priests?

And what's this about Christ being the groom, and Church being the bride? I never knew Jesus was gonna get married...and I certainly thought of the Church being masculine, since it's dominated by men. Hmm...homosexual undertones, fascinating...

Close, more like child molestation. Remember kiddies, having sex with women is wrong, unless it's out of reproduction. Having sex with men your own age will send you to hell.

But molesting altar boys is fine. ;) Right.....

Speaking as a lesbian, the only thing I felt upon reading this thread was "oh great, as if people didn't hate us enough already". Pointing fingers, shouting challenges, and spewing hateful propaganda is not cool. NOT COOL. It's also not helping us in the slightest; if anything, it's damaging us and giving us an ever worse reputation.

And I don't know about anyone else, but I don't feel the whole nazi thing. Yeah, people say hateful things to me and will decide never to speak to me again when they find out I'm gay, but I'm not getting stripped, beating, maimed, or shoved in a gas chamber or incinerator. It's disgusting to think the comparison to those poor people is being made.

And also, to those others- I don't want to fucking sleep with you. Why the hell is it always "I don't care as long as they stay away from me"?! I mean, seriously. Do you think I'm going to infect you with gay germs or something? I thought we were over the cooties phase. Just because I'm walking hand-in-hand with another girl doesn't make me any less a person you should know. A lot of us are pleasant, smart, funny people. Good friends. So what if I'm saying "Hey, that girl is pretty" instead of "Hey, that boy is hot". Seriously. WTF.

Wow, you're both clever and witty! Man, you must get all the ladies. Hehe, its funny because I'm not telling the truth.

Actually, I rely on my tanned muscular body.

Okay. By this logic, due to the fact that there are African-Americans, Caucasians and people of most probably every ethnic descent possibe who have ever killed anyone (and I'm sure many of them have done it out of hate), all thes people should be outlawed, leaving only non-human animals on the planet. Wait a minute! They've killed people too! Noooooo!

Now you're being silly. I say that homophobes are nasty people and we shouldn't tolerate them, then you come back with all humans should be exterminated? Do not include the phrase "By this logic" unless you know what it means.

Can't we all just agree not to get along?

I have read through this entire thread. What amazes me is the amount of immaturity and sheer stupidity there is here. If you dislike GLBT, i really don't care. I'll be who I want to be. And if any of you extremists want to do something about it, I can and will defend myself, physically if necessary...however, i believe that my sharpest weapon is my wits. that, and the fact that not EVERYONE who has a religion thinks that being gay is a sin. i, for one, have pagan-like beliefs. I am also a lesbian. does this mean i am sick and wrong too? if it does to you, that's just peachy. don't waste your breath, or your typing space, condemning me to whatever Monotheistic Hell you can come up with. Karma catches you in the end. most of you need to grow up, and stop bickering about history. focus on what is. not what was.

This girl's got the right idea. SHe doesnt care.

Speaking as a lesbian, the only thing I felt upon reading this thread was "oh great, as if people didn't hate us enough already". Pointing fingers, shouting challenges, and spewing hateful propaganda is not cool. NOT COOL. It's also not helping us in the slightest; if anything, it's damaging us and giving us an ever worse reputation.

And I don't know about anyone else, but I don't feel the whole nazi thing. Yeah, people say hateful things to me and will decide never to speak to me again when they find out I'm gay, but I'm not getting stripped, beating, maimed, or shoved in a gas chamber or incinerator. It's disgusting to think the comparison to those poor people is being made.

And also, to those others- I don't want to fucking sleep with you. Why the hell is it always "I don't care as long as they stay away from me"?! I mean, seriously. Do you think I'm going to infect you with gay germs or something? I thought we were over the cooties phase. Just because I'm walking hand-in-hand with another girl doesn't make me any less a person you should know. A lot of us are pleasant, smart, funny people. Good friends. So what if I'm saying "Hey, that girl is pretty" instead of "Hey, that boy is hot". Seriously. WTF.

I'm not in love with gays. I just hate repbulicans with a passion, and whoever they dislike I embrace as comrades to liberialism.

*sighs* that's it...i'm outta here...perhaps i will find a topic that ISN'T filled with mudslinging and sheer stupidity...*shrugs*

and on another note:

This guy's got the right idea. He doesnt care.

I'm a GIRL!!! Taheca is how I translated my name into Al Bhed...yes, i was bored...

Look I don't want to debate the holocaust. I want to talk about those homophobic neo-nazi repbulicans.


Maybe in it's the fact I live in western Pennsylvania, but I know more tolerant conservatives than I know tolerant liberals.

I'm not saying the conservatives I know, myself included, neccessarily like homosexuality, but we still respect gay people as human beings. This of course ties into the actual definition of "toleration." In order to tolerate something, all that is required of you is being able to accept its existence and making no hostiles actions towards it.

Maybe in it's the fact I live in western Pennsylvania, but I know more tolerant conservatives than I know tolerant liberals.

I'm not saying the conservatives I know, myself included, neccessarily like homosexuality, but we still respect gay people as human beings. This of course ties into the actual definition of "toleration." In order to tolerate something, all that is required of you is being able to accept its existence and making no hostiles actions towards it.


Amen! and i've changed my mind. i'm going to hang around this topic for awhile...the amount of intelligence stated in the previous post more than makes up for the stupidity.

No one has argued that the repbulicans aren't nazi scum, so therefore they are.

I'm not in love with gays. I just hate repbulicans with a passion, and whoever they dislike I embrace as comrades to liberialism.

I cannot describe how dirty that makes me feel. "I hate republicans and I really don't like you all that much but the republicans don't like you, so that makes you my buddy". Right. Thanks. [/sarcasm]

Do not include the phrase "By this logic" unless you know what it means.

Well, the way I understood it, since their have been hate crimes comitted against gay people in hte past, homophobes should not be tolerated in society. Since I don't promote inequality such as only generalising one group of people, I extended this thought, and, since I am an advocate of corporal punishment, I said that everyone should be killed, since people from probably just about every type of association you can think of (race, sexuality, religion, etc.) has comitted a hate crime at some point. Of course, we could just all be put in rehabilitation centres.

No one has argued that the repbulicans aren't nazi scum, so therefore they are.

Dude, most of my family is republican. No, they don't like gays, but they are not nazi scum, dammit.

Maybe in it's the fact I live in western Pennsylvania, but I know more tolerant conservatives than I know tolerant liberals.

And I thought liberals had copyrighted tolerance. ;)

*sighs* that's it...i'm outta here...perhaps i will find a topic that ISN'T filled with mudslinging and sheer stupidity...*shrugs*

and on another note:



I'm a GIRL!!! Taheca is how I translated my name into Al Bhed...yes, i was bored...

Hey sorry. No need to get worked up. Chillax, dude.

I cannot describe how dirty that makes me feel. "I hate republicans and I really don't like you all that much but the republicans don't like you, so that makes you my buddy". Right. Thanks. [/sarcasm]

No one is your friend. And this applies to everyone, not just gays. Everyone has a motive, I'm just perfectly honest about mine. Plus you can't blame a middle class 13 year old for being idealistic.

No one is your friend. And this applies to everyone, not just gays. Everyone has a motive, I'm just perfectly honest about mine. Plus you can't blame a middle class 13 year old for being idealistic.
I didn't say anyone was my friend. As an 18 year old college student, I think iIwould know that by now, hm?
I was saying that I, and probably a good portion of the gay community, want nothing to do with someone who only argues for us because they don't like republicans and republicans don't like us. Further, to compare our 'suffering' to what the people endured under the nazis... That's just sick. I still can't believe you made that comparison.

I didn't say anyone was my friend. As an 18 year old college student, I think iIwould know that by now, hm?
I was saying that I, and probably a good portion of the gay community, want nothing to do with someone who only argues for us because they don't like republicans and republicans don't like us. Further, to compare our 'suffering' to what the people endured under the nazis... That's just sick. I still can't believe you made that comparison.

I can see why the reps get annoyed with you people!

Sometimes a harsh comparison is needed to prove a point. I'm just pointing out the similarities between reps and nazis.

Nobody here is responsible for the Holocaust or for any other crimes and injustices commited in the past.

Everybody posting here deserves to be treated in a respectful manner, regardless of their views on this matter.

Nazi Germany has little bearing on the actual point of this thread, and that discussion surfaced from the inappropriate use of the word Nazi in the first place. The term was being used as an analogy, and arguably a bad one, but that doesn't have any bearing on the actual point being made here.

I have no idea as to the Nazi stance on homosexuality, nor do I think it really matters to this thread. The Holocaust is something that we all agree (I'd imagine) is morally wrong, even those being accused of being Neo-Nazis. If Nazis specifically killed homosexuals for being homosexual, we're probably all in agreement that this was also wrong, no matter how homophobic any of us might be.

Why is there so much anger and hatred in this topic? It's not being directed from homophobes to homosexuals or homosexuals to homophobes, or libertarians to "Neo-Nazi Republicans" or vice versa.

It's being directed at people trying to make their views clear and being misinterpreted by no fault of their own, however badly phrased what they're trying to say is. And it's a downwards spiral.

Nobody here is a bad person, and nobody here does not deserve to be treated with a little respect from time to time.

I'm sure that you're all very nice people. Thanks for reading.

Speaking as a female 'asexual' with a close lesbian friend, I must say that in my opinion even though I may not like homophobes, going against them as a whole is little better than them hating or disliking homosexuals as a whole. If someone is homophobic but is perfectly willing to keep it to themselves and not bother anyone, they shouldn't be put into the same group as those that are willing to assault homosexuals (both verbally and physically). One is just an opinion, the other hurts people. People shouldn't be judged on having an opinion you don't agree with or like. Criminals on the other hand, should be.

I can see why the reps get annoyed with you people!

Sometimes a harsh comparison is needed to prove a point. I'm just pointing out the similarities between reps and nazis.
I for one don't take allies who aren't in it for the good of our own.

Do what you will. I'll have no more part in this.

No one has argued that the repbulicans aren't nazi scum, so therefore they are.

Now one has argued that you're not a pile of excrement, therefore you are.

Wow. I love logic.

Nobody here is responsible for the Holocaust or for any other crimes and injustices commited in the past.

Everybody posting here deserves to be treated in a respectful manner, regardless of their views on this matter.

Nazi Germany has little bearing on the actual point of this thread, and that discussion surfaced from the inappropriate use of the word Nazi in the first place. The term was being used as an analogy, and arguably a bad one, but that doesn't have any bearing on the actual point being made here.

I have no idea as to the Nazi stance on homosexuality, nor do I think it really matters to this thread. The Holocaust is something that we all agree (I'd imagine) is morally wrong, even those being accused of being Neo-Nazis. If Nazis specifically killed homosexuals for being homosexual, we're probably all in agreement that this was also wrong, no matter how homophobic any of us might be.

Why is there so much anger and hatred in this topic? It's not being directed from homophobes to homosexuals or homosexuals to homophobes, or libertarians to "Neo-Nazi Republicans" or vice versa.

It's being directed at people trying to make their views clear and being misinterpreted by no fault of their own, however badly phrased what they're trying to say is. And it's a downwards spiral.

Nobody here is a bad person, and nobody here does not deserve to be treated with a little respect from time to time.

I'm sure that you're all very nice people. Thanks for reading.

This is why we liberials lose. We always "agree", and compromise. Your probably a nice agreeable guy. But you need more hatred for the opposing party.

It's being directed at people trying to make their views clear and being misinterpreted by no fault of their own, however badly phrased what they're trying to say is. And it's a downwards spiral.

Nobody here is a bad person, and nobody here does not deserve to be treated with a little respect from time to time.

Amen to that.

Speaking as a female 'asexual' with a close lesbian friend, I must say that in my opinion even though I may not like homophobes, going against them as a whole is little better than them hating or disliking homosexuals as a whole. If someone is homophobic but is perfectly willing to keep it to themselves and not bother anyone, they shouldn't be put into the same group as those that are willing to assault homosexuals (both verbally and physically). One is just an opinion, the other hurts people. People shouldn't be judged on having an opinion you don't agree with or like. Criminals on the other hand, should be.

Praise the lawad, sister!

I am so saddened by the hate spewed because some choose to love differently. If two consenting adults love and respect one another and choose to live their lives together, is that really worth hating? Civil unions, marriage call it whatever you like but as taxpayers and law abiding citizens gays are deserving of equal rights. No one is asking for special rights. If your religion condemns their acts then let God decide no one else. Just let freedom ring for all. Finally, gays, lesbians, jews, cripples, christians , gypsies and various other groups were ALL killed by the Nazis/ This is fact not fiction, as much as I wish it had been.

Nicely said... :)

This is why we liberials lose. We always "agree", and compromise. Your probably a nice agreeable guy. But you need more hatred for the opposing party.
I'm sorry, this made me giggle. The first thing that came to mind was The Emperor from Star Wars.

Luke, don't give into hate. That leads to the dark side!!

I'm all for gay marriage and all. What they do is their business. I just want them to keep away from me.

(btw, i'm a liberal)

he is right

I'm sorry, this made me giggle. The first thing that came to mind was The Emperor from Star Wars.

Luke, don't give into hate. That leads to the dark side!!


"Violence to supress Violence, Savagery to end Savagery, Brutality to make Prosperity"

-The Alansyist Manifesto

"Violence to supress Violence, Savagery to end Savagery, Brutality to make Prosperity"

-The Alansyist Manifesto
Yes, but things can be done peacefully. It's often better that they are done peacefully because then there is no fear or hate, which leads to the rebirth of violence.

I'm all for gay marriage and all. What they do is their business. I just want them to keep away from me.

It's good that you are for gay marriage but why do you want them away from you? They are just normal people.

Of course we should all tolerate Nazis. It's a little thing called free speech. Tolerance is not a synonym for acceptance. And tolerating homosexuality is not approval of homosexuality. Buy a dictionary.

Yes, but things can be done peacefully. It's often better that they are done peacefully because then there is no fear or hate, which leads to the rebirth of violence.

Repbulicans are violent gun-loving idiots. They only know violence.

Repbulicans are violent gun-loving idiots. They only know violence.

Prove it.

The columbine kids were children of repbulicans, and it's part of the repbulicans platform. Also I've had a gun threat against me, by some stupid fat warpig.(another kid)

lol i havent been on nationstates for some time now, so glad things aren't crazy in all parts of this online game thingy, like people taking over regions.... anywayz ignore that bs i guess.... im just glad to be back, and i figured i'd post a lil on this since i noticed while resolving issues that in the lower left hand corner it said"homophobes read this!" i couldve sworn it was in all caps, my mistake i guess....

well i just read this thread and figured as a peaceful homophobe i would state that everyone has a valid argument here, and plz dont start quoting me, im only here for the fun of watching people debate, sometimes it just cracks me up.... jerry springer ring a bell? well i did mention im homophobe but only against men, ya im a guy but i truly think up the butt in all aspects of life is wrong anyway.... but hey im not protesting it.... just stating my opinion ass=exit ONLY! lol ok well all have fun now, have a safe halloween to all in america*including myself tho im too old for that anyways* and keep this thread going, its really cracking me up hehe :gundge: :mp5: :sniper: cool icons whoever thought of them, nice job!

The columbine kids were children of repbulicans, and it's part of the repbulicans platform. Also I've had a gun threat against me, by some stupid fat warpig.(another kid)

That's the actions of a couple messed-up kids and somebody you pissed off. Three people doesn't a population cross-section make.

And it appears you only know stereotypical, previously started arguments. Alanyists, take it back and do it again.

While not being a Nazi, I am a Fascist (Watches the torrent of abuse head his way and pulls up shield). There are exceptions to my being the typical fascist, being that I am bisexual (Greedy I know) and that I hold no racist views. Alanyists, I find your arguing for gay rights, simply as a way of converting people to your ridiculous left wing banner both laughable and insulting.

Furthermore, saying you don't mind gays as long as they stay away from you, hell, stay away from them lol. You probably piss them off more than they you, I know straight guys annoy me half the time. Using Alanyists stereotype arguing: Straight guys are all sexually uptight twats who are so afraid of exploration they cork their arses when a man in pink comes down the street. (Disclaimer: This was not intended as a serious statement, merely an attempt at the logic behind Alanyists)

-Phil.

Let's keep listing:

The NRA is affilated with the Ku Klux Klan and the repbulican party.

One of the main tenants of the repbulican party is "the right to bear arms," IE , murder in cold blood.

Of course isn't that the basic idea of conservativeism? To murder for no reason.

well i did mention im homophobe but only against men, ya im a guy but i truly think up the butt in all aspects of life is wrong anyway.... but hey im not protesting it.... just stating my opinion ass=exit ONLY!

If nothing is meant to enter the male arse, then why is the prostate gland so conveniantly positioned?

-Phil.

And it appears you only know stereotypical, previously started arguments. Alanyists, take it back and do it again.

While not being a Nazi, I am a Fascist (Watches the torrent of abuse head his way and pulls up shield). There are exceptions to my being the typical fascist, being that I am bisexual (Greedy I know) and that I hold no racist views. Alanyists, I find your arguing for gay rights, simply as a way of converting people to your ridiculous left wing banner both laughable and insulting.

Furthermore, saying you don't mind gays as long as they stay away from you, hell, stay away from them lol. You probably piss them off more than they you, I know straight guys annoy me half the time. Using Alanyists stereotype arguing: Straight guys are all sexually uptight twats who are so afraid of exploration they cork their arses when a man in pink comes down the street. (Disclaimer: This was not intended as a serious statement, merely an attempt at the logic behind Alanyists)

-Phil.

You know that I am also a fascsit. I am a fervent nationalist, and I hate illeigal aliens, I believe in Eugentscism, and dictatorship. I remember your comments on my paper. http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=363398 You and I see eye to eye on many issues.

Alansyism lives on!

Family Guy said it best.

"Just...tolerate them. You don't have to actually LIKE them. Just tolerate them. You might hate them, but just...don't get all pissed off at them. You might think they're the biggest assholes in the world, as long as you...don't punch them in the face.

Let's keep listing:

The NRA is affilated with the Ku Klux Klan and the repbulican party.

A lie in Bowling for Columbine. Charlton Heston led the actor's section of the Million Man March. Also, NAACP chapters also organized as NRA chapters during the Civil Rights struggle, so they could get WWII surplus weapons to defend themselves from Klansmen. This is something the NRA supported, as it allowed the NAACP chapters to defend themselves as human beings.

One of the main tenants of the repbulican party is "the right to bear arms," IE , murder in cold blood.

That's in the Constitution. It's purpose is for a well-organized militia and giving people the ability to defend themselves from government abuses. Despite what you might want to think, most gun owners don't want to kill another human being and have no intention to.

Of course isn't that the basic idea of conservativeism? To murder for no reason.

How so?

And it appears you only know stereotypical, previously started arguments. Alanyists, take it back and do it again.

While not being a Nazi, I am a Fascist (Watches the torrent of abuse head his way and pulls up shield). There are exceptions to my being the typical fascist, being that I am bisexual (Greedy I know) and that I hold no racist views. Alanyists, I find your arguing for gay rights, simply as a way of converting people to your ridiculous left wing banner both laughable and insulting.

Furthermore, saying you don't mind gays as long as they stay away from you, hell, stay away from them lol. You probably piss them off more than they you, I know straight guys annoy me half the time. Using Alanyists stereotype arguing: Straight guys are all sexually uptight twats who are so afraid of exploration they cork their arses when a man in pink comes down the street. (Disclaimer: This was not intended as a serious statement, merely an attempt at the logic behind Alanyists)

-Phil.
lol i mustve missed that part of the thread...... well i have to say ,being a straight guy doesnt make me a bad person, and as you can see, gays happen to be hated more than actual straight men or women or even bi's, so , um why did gay n bi ever start?
i know that sounds really bad, but i know for a fact that straight came first(refers to adam and eve) well im not christian but i know that much at least, man+woman=kids... sure people can have outside relationships and friendships with the same gender, but im kindve against gay marriage.... i mean so what if you are gay o well, at least yer brave enough to admit it, why rub it in our faces? like when the(blacks) or nicely put, african americans, protested for rights n stuff, well you know they are still being hated, so what is a marriage gonna prove? you are still GAY, so live with it and stop making it so public, or you will end up being mistreated and hated, DUH lol :confused:

I too am an extreme nationalist, however being English, I am also an extremist royalist. We do see eye to eye on many things, but right wing is perfection.

Stating one point, class systems are natural. Equality is unnatural. Hence due to rather blind sighted arguing, left wing politics are unnatural.

-Phil.

You are prolife? That's not very fascist.... You want to hand guns into the hands of peasents? Thats not very fascist... You don't support genetic enginering? That's not very fascsit...

Liberialism and Fascism are meant for eachother. The wedding of the two greatest ideologies in history.

Check out my flag:

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=alansyists

Tassadar, good logic. Truth is the majority are always morally right. Of course being immoral is quite fun.

Perhaps surprisingly I am against gay marriage. The Christian religion teaches homosexuality to be a sin, if you are a good Christian you follow the teachings, homosexuals and bisexuals do not follow the teachings of the religion, thus they should not be married into that religion. More to the point, WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO? As a way of openly committing love for one another, the solution? Something new.

-Phil.

I too am an extreme nationalist, however being English, I am also an extremist royalist. We do see eye to eye on many things, but right wing is perfection.

Stating one point, class systems are natural. Equality is unnatural. Hence due to rather blind sighted arguing, left wing politics are unnatural.

-Phil.
How are class systems natural? Sometimes great geniuses are born to poor, pathetic families, and sometimes stupid people with no abilities are born to the rich classes. Equality is not natural but equality of opportunity is certainly something we should strive for, so that the able-minded and able-bodied can fulfill their potential even if they were not born to means.

How are class systems natural? Sometimes great geniuses are born to poor, pathetic families, and sometimes stupid people with no abilities are born to the rich classes.

If that's the case, said genius should be able to be succesful enough to rise in class using their abilities. That's completely natural.

How are class systems natural? Sometimes great geniuses are born to poor, pathetic families, and sometimes stupid people with no abilities are born to the rich classes. Equality is not natural but equality of opportunity is certainly something we should strive for, so that the able-minded and able-bodied can fulfill their potential even if they were not born to means.

Yes my family isn't very well off. And Benito Mussolini our founder, ws born poor. My family isn't exactly well-to-do eitheir.(my dads unemployed since 02, and my mothers a nurse)

A class system like Brave New World is more logical.

I too am an extreme nationalist, however being English, I am also an extremist royalist. We do see eye to eye on many things, but right wing is perfection.

Stating one point, class systems are natural. Equality is unnatural. Hence due to rather blind sighted arguing, left wing politics are unnatural.

-Phil.


You are prolife? That's not very fascist.... You want to hand guns into the hands of peasents? Thats not very fascist... You don't support genetic enginering? That's not very fascsit...

Liberialism and Fascism are meant for eachother. The wedding of the two greatest ideologies in history.

Check out my flag it is a symbol of the ideology:

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=alansyists

Humans will always have thier own beliefs, and standards they live by. What may be normal in one community, may be a sin in another. Who is anyone to say who is right or wrong? I always find it amusing when someone rages of how they are being hurt, and then has the gaul to compair thier hurt to someone who is dead, basicaly saying I am like them because (I'm Gay), (I'm A Jew), ( I'm Christian). Comparing your plight to a person who was killed in a concentration camp, is extreme gaul. You are a single individual, and while your plight may be sad, your single opinion is just that, a single opinion. My opinion, live and let live, I dont care about your beliefs, or Idiology, or sexual orintation, I care that you are a human being. You deserve the same basic right to live as well as the next human, no better, no worse. Hatred, anger, pain, ignorance are part of the human condition, and something you might want to understand, better in yourself, before you condem others. Fear and hatred breed, fear and hatred, it is an old lesson many refuse to learn. :headbang:

Equality is pointless, do what you are best at. Class systems are what survive through history. Everytime a civilisation rises, it begins as a class system, when things revert, it becomes a class system. The animal kingdom is a class system, loudest roar, tallest male, sharpest tusks etc.

I am against peasants with guns. I think all people of lower class should be banned from learning martial arts or any organised fighting, ESPECIALLY GUNS.

I am against genetic engineering as it goes against the theories of conservitism which I hold dear.

Who said I am pro-life?

-Phil.

If that's the case, said genius should be able to be succesful enough to rise in class using their abilities. That's completely natural.
I agree, but Stael Grad is a royalist so I'm not sure if by class system he meant a hereditary class system where people are locked into a particular caste, or a class system which sorts itself out based on individual merit and personal qualities.

Equality is pointless, do what you are best at. Class systems are what survive through history. Everytime a civilisation rises, it begins as a class system, when things revert, it becomes a class system. The animal kingdom is a class system, loudest roar, tallest male, sharpest tusks etc.

I am against peasants with guns. I think all people of lower class should be banned from learning martial arts or any organised fighting, ESPECIALLY GUNS.

I am against genetic engineering as it goes against the theories of conservitism which I hold dear.

Who said I am pro-life?

-Phil.

You did, when you admitted conservatism. Genetic enginerring is a great thing. Whats wrong with fighting. Beating the shit out of some illeigal alien, or fat basterd is the best feeling in the world.(both personal experinces)

Repbulicans are violent gun-loving idiots. They only know violence.

I'm a republican. Let's break down some of your previous statements in this thread and see how they apply to me, shall we?

-Violent
Nope, I have never punched, shoved, kicked, bit, shot, stabbed, or commited a violent act against another.
-Gun-owners
Yes, I own guns. One is a family heirloom from WWII, taken by my grandfather from the body of a German soldier, the others are antiques, dating from the 1800's and earlier.
-Idiot
I'd like to think that I'm fairly intelligent. I regularly score in the top 1.5% on many standardised tests.
-Homophobic
Not really. I don't care if they grant them civil unions that have similiar benfits, I'd just prefer they don't refer to it as marriage. I do find the concept unappealing, but I don't persecute them because of it. I even have gay and bisexual friends.
-Nazi
No, I am not a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
-Neonazi
Nor am I a member of a fringe group inspired by Adolf Hitler's Nazi party.
-Bible-thumper (Put forth by Chodolo (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7204616&postcount=41) )
No. Whilst technically a member of the Roman Catholic church, I do not attend mass or "witness."
-Bigot (Once again, put forth by Chodolo (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7204616&postcount=41) )
No, I am not a bigot.
-Libertanian
I agree with them somewhat, but the question is, does that make me one? I do not believe it does.

One and a half out of a total of nine stereotypes. A whopping 16.6%

If that's the case, said genius should be able to be succesful enough to rise in class using their abilities. That's completely natural.

Exactly.

Royalist pro-monarchy and pro-hereditary land titles.

The people who decide right and wrong are the power & rich, the intelligent*, the moral majority. That being in said order. *May be shouted down.

Phil,

Have you ever read Huxley's master peice "Brave New World." That is a real class system.

I am only pro-life in the upper/middle class sense of the word. If you can afford life, you deserve it. You may pay with money, inherited items, intelligence or store credit.

-Phil.

Exactly.

Royalist pro-monarchy and pro-hereditary land titles.

The people who decide right and wrong are the power & rich, the intelligent*, the moral majority. That being in said order. *May be shouted down.
How are you certain that a particular royal family will deliver qualified rulers every generation?

Can't say I have m8, but Nineteen eighty-seven is among my top 5 fav books of all time. It is the ideal society.

-Phil.

I am only pro-life in the upper/middle class sense of the word. If you can afford life, you deserve it. You may pay with money, inherited items, intelligence or store credit.

-Phil.

Look I was born proletariat. And I'm proud of it. Money shouldn't be social class. "Brave New World!" That's what I'm talking about.

I'm not certain, sometimes they don't, thus there is a revolution, said monarch is beheaded and their cousins take the throne. However I am extremist pro-monarchy, if the current Queen ordered me to fight in a war I would, I would defend her to the death as well. It is a matter of principals of which I have VERY few. Some people have faith in religion, I have faith in the monarchy.

-Phil.

Can't say I have m8, but Nineteen eighty-seven is among my top 5 fav books of all time. It is the ideal society.

-Phil.

"1984" was a masterpiece. Glorious in all respects. If it provided a few social services to it's citizens, and took a few aspects from "Brave New World" it would be Utopia.

Yes it should be, money is power, power is social class. Social class is epitomised in current society by wealth. Without currency, something else would dictate class, such as IQ, land or food stuffs.

-Phil.

Social services?! No... I am totally anti-welfare state.

-Phil.

I'm not certain, sometimes they don't, thus there is a revolution, said monarch is beheaded and their cousins take the throne. However I am extremist pro-monarchy, if the current Queen ordered me to fight in a war I would, I would defend her to the death as well. It is a matter of principals of which I have VERY few. Some people have faith in religion, I have faith in the monarchy.

-Phil.
That just means you are an idiot. You value the word of some old hag more than your life. If I were a dictator I would give anything to have the masses as stupid as you are.

Tassadar, good logic. Truth is the majority are always morally right. Of course being immoral is quite fun.

Perhaps surprisingly I am against gay marriage. The Christian religion teaches homosexuality to be a sin, if you are a good Christian you follow the teachings, homosexuals and bisexuals do not follow the teachings of the religion, thus they should not be married into that religion. More to the point, WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO? As a way of openly committing love for one another, the solution? Something new.

-Phil.
well i probably wont be on during the day(before 1:30 pm central usa time) but ill debate when i can.
it goes like this, i enjoy debating, one... because no matter how much you offend someone, its only online so its not like they can physically harm you....two.. because if you attack a persons beliefs or opinion, then get an opposite reaction, you can retaliate hyppocrytically by simply stating their opinion is valid and logical... but i just mostly like laughing at the true idiots who really dont know what they are talking about... but as respect to all in here, i wont point fingers.... mostly because im too caught up in the moment and cannot really decide that...... so um just keep posting people, once every few minutes is still a fresh thread or w/e ,i think! and cuz i just totally love this emoticon... :mp5: trust me im also anti violence , in person, GO DIABLO2! hehe

Hmmm, thanks for that. It is called faith, I have faith in the monarchy the way some do in 'God'. The difference being my centre of faith exists.

Trilateral, I have seen some of your posts, I could comment, but I am too polite lol.

-Phil.

Social services?! No... I am totally anti-welfare state.

-Phil.


You need social services. You use them all the time.

hitler wasnt gay so stop that rumor but the catholic church has nothing against homosexuals, they think it the same as left-handeness, nothing can do about it; however the Church is against gay marriage because the purpose of marriage is love and creation: while the love does exist, creation cannot in a gay marriage. as for what other members of the catholic faith i cannot say. I personally have nothing against gays, blacks, hispanics, MUSLIMS, asians, or any other people. The only people i cant tolerate are those who think that their race is dominate(KKK, Nazis, extremists, etc.)

this is true - it actually derives from a theology of marriage and sexuality. (we had it in university ~ i was from a Catholic U.) the Church does not encourage gay marriages because their position is that marriage has two main objectives: 1. the union of two people in sacramental love and 2. procreation. of course, right at the outset, same sex marriages will not allow for natural procreation. as for heterosexual marriages wherein the couple cannot have children, i think that this poses no contradiction to the Church because for all means and purposes the couple fulfilled what is required prior to this 2nd goal of procreation.. im not entirely sure though. it's been a while since that particular theology course.

anyhows, i must say that even if that is the official Church position, our Catholic university has nothing against gays. we have a considerable population of them in campus, and they enjoy the full freedoms granted to the straight students.

nevertheless, i would like to recognize that all of us here are coming from different historical and social backgrounds. hence, each is entitled to his/her own opinion, and we must not condemn or judge each other based on these alone. in any case, you cannot change people's minds here by antagonizing them or just telling them outright, "well, what you think is wrong." i think all here are old enough for a mature intellectual discussion, and as such all should have the freedom to accept what s/he feels is right to his/her conscience.

can we say that somebody's conscience is wrong? chill out, guys. Ü it's difficult to always make generalizations, as one steps on or boxes in other people while doing so, which just aggravates the discussion and does not enlighten anyone at all.

Truth is, my views are unalterable. They are based on certain past societies and political beliefs. I totally believe in all my views, from life of the poor and stupid is cheap, to the fact that wealth and power make someone a better person in general. Deference is the key here I suppose. Trilateral, you care to dispute my claim about gay christian marriages?

You don't need social services, it just takes mass privatisation.

-Phil.

I'm going to work on my OS. Their more sanity in assembly language then you conservative assholes. (even arm assembler) Of course the assembly codes already done, I just have to do some C coding.

I'll see all of you nazi swine in Hell!

I'm going to work on my OS. Their more sanity in assembly language then you conservative assholes. (even arm assembler) Of course the assembly codes already done, I just have to do some C coding.

I'll see all of you nazi swine in Hell!

Actually, according to them, you won't.

How old are you? 12? 14? 13? Kids these days, thinking that insulting and cursing makes their argument better...

You can expect to see me there ;)

Conservatism is right, no matter what you think :)

-Phil.

Hmmm, thanks for that. It is called faith, I have faith in the monarchy the way some do in 'God'. The difference being my centre of faith exists.
Exactly. That is why if I were a dictator I wish the masses were so uncritical and stupid that they can hold something as unthinking as "faith". Do you consign yourself to a low rung in the social ladder of your hypothetical fascist state, so that the more intelligent, able-minded leaders can cynically use you for whatever they want because you have placed utter faith in their actions?

Trilateral, I have seen some of your posts, I could comment, but I am too polite lol.
Please comment. I don't take things personally.

Actually, according to them, you won't.

How old are you? 12? 14? 13? Kids these days, thinking that insulting and cursing makes their argument better...

It does with other children :) 13

Actually, according to them, you won't.

How old are you? 12? 14? 13? Kids these days, thinking that insulting and cursing makes their argument better...
He said he was thirteen.

It does with other children :) 13
So why don't you go back and hang out with them?

Actually, according to them, you won't.

How old are you? 12? 14? 13? Kids these days, thinking that insulting and cursing makes their argument better...

#include "malloc.h"

God damnit, now after that let's think of how I can make a good memory manager. I can't think, you idiots have driven me insane. Ugh

Eh, thought so.

Well, just to let you know something: you think that cursing and insulting works, right?

IT DOESN'T

SO Stop

So why don't you go back and hang out with them?

Obvisouly you don't have the abillity to infer. I am implying that all of you are children. And you've proven my point, I have to explain this to you.

Alansyists, are you gay?

(I mean this in total seriousness, given the original point of this thread)

Eh, thought so.

Well, just to let you know something: you think that cursing and insulting works, right?

IT DOESN'T

SO Stop

The text should be in red, italicized, and underlined as well.

Obvisouly you don't have the abillity to infer. I am implying that all of you are children. And you've proven my point, I have to explain this to you.
I have the "abillity" to infer, thank you very much. You obviously don't, or you would of realized I was politely asking you to stop embarrassing yourself and demeaning the people who died in the Halocaust in this thread.

k.

LOOK AT ME!! I'M AN UGLY CHRISTIAN ANTI-GAY CONSERVATIVE! SCOFF AT ME! MUAHAHAHAHA! :eek: LAY YOUR EYES UPON MY CHRISTIAN SHIRT AND PH34R!!!11!!1!111ONE!!!11!!!!ELEVEN!!@!@12121!!111CAPSLOCK

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Thankgod it compiled! Thankyou for giving me so much anger, that I coded it out. Now I'm all better. And my fingers are tired. Good night!

Eh, thought so.

Well, just to let you know something: you think that cursing and insulting works, right?

IT DOESN'T

SO Stop
AHH MY EYES THEY BURRRRN! well j/k do what you must, but i think idiots are beyond help... ok i said i wasnt gonna point fingers, but the alanyist guy deserves dummy of the year oward, for the dumbest debate he has by FAR the best and dumbest opinions, best cuz its the dumb opinions that keep this whole debate alive, like bringing nazis into this thread, my GOD you are a GENIUS! lol well just saying i love this stuff about as much as i enjoy watching adult swim's aqua teen hunger force or king of the hill, besides those 2 shows, its hard to find comedy cept thru threads during the depressing times USA is going thru (example, bush/kerry debates=pointless, and war in iraq, every case i hear about of beheading from yahoo news saddens me deeply, i hope you all feel the same)
k thats my post*breaks a sweat* im beginning to think this has become an actual CHAT ROOM! lmao :mp5:

Can't say I have m8, but Nineteen eighty-seven is among my top 5 fav books of all time. It is the ideal society.

-Phil.

Hobbes' Leviathan imo, as long as I'm the Leviathan :P

But why on earth would someone start a thread like this, heh.

k.

LOOK AT ME!! I'M AN UGLY CHRISTIAN ANTI-GAY CONSERVATIVE! SCOFF AT ME! MUAHAHAHAHA! :eek: LAY YOUR EYES UPON MY CHRISTIAN SHIRT AND PH34R!!!11!!1!111ONE!!!11!!!!ELEVEN!!@!@12121!!111CAPSLOCK

*scoffs* :p

k.

LOOK AT ME!! I'M AN UGLY CHRISTIAN ANTI-GAY CONSERVATIVE! SCOFF AT ME! MUAHAHAHAHA! :eek: LAY YOUR EYES UPON MY CHRISTIAN SHIRT AND PH34R!!!11!!1!111ONE!!!11!!!!ELEVEN!!@!@12121!!111CAPSLOCK
Damn Jehovah's Witnesses....















































Just kidding.

On tolerance of KKK members: I believe the ideals on which the KKK runs are some of the most vile garbage on the planet. However, they are still human beings and thus have that annoying innate value. I tolerate the person, not the acts and I oppose the same thing backwards.

On homosexuality: I'll be honest. It disgusts me. On the other hand, they're doing no harm. I can find nothing morally objectionable to it. I have no right to oppose it, even if I don't like it.

I'm the same way, yet people call me an evil, horrible, vile, hate-filled KKK republican war pig because I'm a conservative. If they're going to call names, they're the war mongerer.

Of course not, your a christian Nazi.

Wow, you are an insane bigot. You will be welcome in Democrap party.

Wow, you are an insane bigot. You will be welcome in Democrap party.

We're not the ones denying the blinds rights to see, or the lame to walk. Or homosexuals to marry....

well sorry if my posts, having litle to nothing to do with the original idea(s) of this thread, offend people, im just a constant subject changer, usually cuz when i get excited i like sharing my new ideas, and cuz no one else is posting.....

ok well im a BIG fan of yahoo news.... here's the latest!
• Hostage reportedly tried to escape execution
• Rescuers hunt for survivors of Egypt blasts
• California official rules on gay marriage
• FBI digs for mob victims' remains in N.Y. lot
• Guitar World names 100 worst riffs, solos
• Red Sox advance - Yankees-Twins box score
ya i checked #1, utterly horrifying, i really hope the other nations are actually doing something besides ..political debating, like our USA nation, who cares if kerry and bush have stuff to say, whats important is the saftey of the world vs terrorism, not some bs, save it for the people in forums like this, lol a president posting in a forum that would be funny!
also, seems like most of the world is being attacked, egypt? russia? i know im leaving some out, and most is not directly linked to iraq, but its a hotspot for terrorism, almost a new beheading case EVERY DAY! and probably some we dont even know about yet! why is this still HAPPENING? ok ok ill stop obsessing about it, its reason enough for me to join an army or such, but hey im not even 18 yet so why should i look foreward to ending my life so soon? well still considering it, protecting our nation n all hehe, you all should too, since you are all victims of authritis from the forum debates im sure, why not even wrist cancer? ok bone cancer whatever! lol ~end :mp5:

lol this is my 5th post! yay for me! lol

We're not the ones denying the blinds rights to see, or the lame to walk. Or homosexuals to marry....
Neither are we.

Or homosexuals to marry....

John Kerry must not be a Democrat then.

It's one thing that amuses me about 2 party partisan politics.

Democrats introduce a draft bill, but most people blame Bush.

Kerry opposses same sex marriage, but it's only the republicans who are evil.

Bush increases education funding in 4 years more than Clinton did in 8, but Bush is hurting education.

John Kerry must not be a Democrat then.


He isn't. He's a lying, back-stabbing, warpig. The only difference is he ACTUALLY FOUGHT IN A WAR. Not like the spoiled little pig.

We're not the ones denying the blinds rights to see, or the lame to walk. Or homosexuals to marry....
HAHAHAHAHA, oh you sad little person. You are the ones denying the rights of minorities to raise themselves out of mediocrity by their slavish devotion to you, dangling a welfare system over their heads that keeps under your yolk.

HAHAHAHAHA, oh you sad little person. You are the ones denying the rights of minorities to raise themselves out of mediocrity by their slavish devotion to you, dangling a welfare system over their heads that keeps under your yolk.

I was refering to stemcell research, you know the thing that you have no knowledge of, but are against for "christian" reasons.

He isn't. He's a lying, back-stabbing, warpig.

How does that not make him a Democrat?

I was refering to stemcell research, you know the thing that you have no knowledge of, but are against for "christian" reasons.
Hey, satanworshipper, there is no evidence that stem cells can do any of those things, but there is evidence that the left is intentionaly holding back the minorities.

Hey, satanworshipper, there is no evidence that stem cells can do any of those things, but there is evidence that the left is intentionaly holding back the minorities.


More ignorance. In rats we have seen huge improvements, and chimps. Stem Cells are a very real thing.

Someone said a while back that homophobia is a sin, and goes against what is said in the Bible.

One question. Do you ever work on a Sunday? Oh noes!!! You evil sinner!!! Burn in hell!!

Funny how you fundamentalists can pick and choose aspects of the Bible to obey.

I'm a Christian, but I have nothing against homosexuality. Christ preached tolerance as well you know.

I was refering to stemcell research, you know the thing that you have no knowledge of, but are against for "christian" reasons.

There are more stem cells around that researchers can make use of, if a researcher wants stem cells, they need only put in a request which can be filled from the plethora of stem cells (many of them self perpetuating) already in circulation.

Stem cell research has been around since the Reagan era, it's just that it's a fledgling science and is nowhere near making the breakthrus that the spin doctors proclaim.

But don't let anything like the facts get in the way, you never do.

More ignorance. In rats we have seen huge improvements, and chimps. Stem Cells are a very real thing.
Sure man, creating your candidate's wife out of stem cells and chimp bones is not progress. There is no evidenec that stemm cells will do any of the things that you say, but you still are holding down minorities.

heh Munke, Teresa may well have been a republican first lady had her first husband not died in that plane crash.

heh Munke, Teresa may well have been a republican first lady had her first husband not died in that plane crash.
That is true, because Hienz was just about middle of the road enough to get elected. Something Kerry could only have wet dreams about. He is spouting garbage trying to get the nut-job Deaniacs to vote for him.

The Nazis did not have an anti-gay ideology. Most of the gays sent to the concentration camps were mere political prisoners sent on false charges. Sure, gays did die in the Nazi regime, but that does not prove the existence of an ideological opposition to homosexuality. After all, the Nazis killed a great deal of people, and most of the victims did not die because of specific Nazi ideology. A large percentage of homosexuals were loyal to Hitler, and the popular conception of Nazi persecution of homosexuality is greatly distorted. The issue of Nazis killing gays should be put in the context of general Nazi brutality, not of specific persecution.


The Nazis sewed badges onto the uniforms of their gay prisoners to identify them as such. If they did not harbour any prejudice based on sexuality or wish to persecute a sexual minority, why would they do this?

Has any rightwing yank pointed out that he's got an army of gay friends that all happen to agree with him that gay's should be hanged yet?

The Nazis sewed badges onto the uniforms of their gay prisoners to identify them as such. If they did not harbour any prejudice based on sexuality or wish to persecute a sexual minority, why would they do this?

Actually you're wrong: The star of david on a prison uniform identified a jewish person, a pink triangle on a prison uniform was used to identify a gay person...
Both were sent to the gas-chambers.

http://members.aol.com/matrixwerx/glbthistory/pink_triangle.jpg

Well, the way I understood it, since their have been hate crimes comitted against gay people in hte past, homophobes should not be tolerated in society. Since I don't promote inequality such as only generalising one group of people, I extended this thought, and, since I am an advocate of corporal punishment, I said that everyone should be killed, since people from probably just about every type of association you can think of (race, sexuality, religion, etc.) has comitted a hate crime at some point. Of course, we could just all be put in rehabilitation centres.



Just because one person from a specific group commits a hate crime does not mean that every other member of that group holds the same prejudice. This is why your assertion was illogical. Oh, and BTW, corporal punishment doesn't involve killing people, capital punishment does.

Actually you're wrong: The star of david on a prison uniform identified a jewish person, a pink triangle on a prison uniform was used to identify a gay person...
Both were sent to the gas-chambers.

http://members.aol.com/matrixwerx/glbthistory/pink_triangle.jpg


While I didn't specify which badge was used to identify gay people, what you've said seems consistent with what I said. I don't understand what you're referring to when you say I'm wrong.

Has any rightwing yank pointed out that he's got an army of gay friends that all happen to agree with him that gay's should be hanged yet?

As I pointed out in this thread earlier, a majority of the right wingers I know recognize gay people's right to exist.

There are more stem cells around that researchers can make use of, if a researcher wants stem cells, they need only put in a request which can be filled from the plethora of stem cells (many of them self perpetuating) already in circulation.

Stem cell research has been around since the Reagan era, it's just that it's a fledgling science and is nowhere near making the breakthrus that the spin doctors proclaim.

But don't let anything like the facts get in the way, you never do.

Dear God, do you claim to know about everything that you have no idea on?

As a reseracher in the field, I can guarrantee that there are not "more stem cells around that researchers can make use of," at least not if we are talking about embryonic stem cells. Not to mention that, of the approved lines, nearly all have karyotype problems, all have been grown in non-physiologic conditions like high oxygen, and *all* are being grown on mouse feeders cells and in bovine serum (which would preclude them from ever being used in human research.)

Don't pretend to know the facts when you do not.

Kerry opposses same sex marriage, but it's only the republicans who are evil.

Kerry at least supports some sort of same-sex union, which makes him by far the lesser evil in this debate.

Bush increases education funding in 4 years more than Clinton did in 8, but Bush is hurting education.

Maybe because "no child left behind" is (a) underfunded for what it is and (b) a stupid idea anyways that does nothing but encourage mediocrity and not actually *teaching* our kids?

You're saying we should tolerate Nazis in this country? Have you seen the pictures of the Holocaust? Have you?

Obvisouly death, and human sufferage means nothing to you.

How did you link death and human suffering to not toleraiting gays? As for my stance on gays, I leave my sexual activities with my Filipina girl in my bedroom, they should do the same.

You're saying we should tolerate Nazis in this country? Have you seen the pictures of the Holocaust? Have you?

Obvisouly death, and human sufferage means nothing to you.

But if you don't tolerate their view, you become just like them. And before you start screaming, yes... I have seen the pictures of the concentration camps. A good half of my family were in one.

whoa whoa whoa mate, you have a fucked up view of things. im a christian and have gay friends and i could give a rats fuckin ass if you wanna be homosexual or not. that shit aint my thing, i dont swing that way. and im just as happy to be straight as you are to be gay, but you gotta put that ignorant shit in the back of your head and keep it there. do you honestly think that your statement will help people understand the gay community more? if anything it makes gays look like assholes, but not all people are as ignorant as you and realize that all gays dont look at life as twisted and fucked up as you do. you have a lot to learn my friend. im sorry to offend you. its not cuz you are gay, its cuz that was just bullshit what you said, and i hope you seriously consider thinking before you make such a bold statement. skank it easy.

When was the last time a gang of homosexuals tied a straight man to a fence and beat him to death?

For that matter, when was the last time a group of homosexuals hijacked several airliners and flew them into the WTC?

Maybe because "no child left behind" is (a) underfunded for what it is and (b) a stupid idea anyways that does nothing but encourage mediocrity and not actually *teaching* our kids?

Yes NCLB isn't the brightest idea ever created, and is underfunded, yet education spending has risen 58% under Bush. And it's been going to everything but NCLB.

How much more would be enough for some of you?

For that matter, when was the last time a group of homosexuals hijacked several airliners and flew them into the WTC?

Yes but the idea is to kill all the muslims ;)

Yes NCLB isn't the brightest idea ever created, and is underfunded, yet education spending has risen 58% under Bush. And it's been going to everything but NCLB.

How much more would be enough for some of you?

For me? I think the plan is bunk, so I don't care if they don't fund it at all - they need something better.

While I didn't specify which badge was used to identify gay people, what you've said seems consistent with what I said. I don't understand what you're referring to when you say I'm wrong.

oops....
It was supposed to be in reply to that "Trilateral Commission" fellow who was maintaining it didn't happen.
Sorry about that...

Homosexuality is still the biggest taboo on the planet and I don't think it's right to call homophobes "christian nazis". I don't like homosexuals, I'm being really honest about that. But I don't hate them because they like dating other men.

For me? I think the plan is bunk, so I don't care if they don't fund it at all - they need something better.

Well at least according to trasury figures, NCLB has gotten some funding, but the lion's share has gone to other areas. And there's been an awful lot of it.

Let's keep listing:

The NRA is affilated with the Ku Klux Klan and the repbulican party.

One of the main tenants of the repbulican party is "the right to bear arms," IE , murder in cold blood.

Of course isn't that the basic idea of conservativeism? To murder for no reason.

The NRA has no affiliation with the Klan. Dumbass, the NRA was founded to help train the population in the use of firearms after the Civil War. They helped to purchase weapons for blacks in the south to protect themselves against the Klan, which was and still is a terrorist organization.

gays need to repent or they're going to hell.... streight up! it's that simple.... just as murderers, rapist, thieves, and abortionist will if they do not repent.

gays need to repent or they're going to hell.... streight up! it's that simple.... just as murderers, rapist, thieves, and abortionist will if they do not repent.


If ignorance were made of gold, we'd all be very wealthy. These are the Christian nazis Alan was talking about.

gays need to repent or they're going to hell.... streight up! it's that simple.... just as murderers, rapist, thieves, and abortionist will if they do not repent.
oh no! not hell! i want to go to heaven with all the homophobes and abortion clinic bombers and Bible thumping fascists!!

Stupid fascist homophobic Republicans! (http://www.logcabin.org/logcabin/home.html) :rolleyes:

Stupid fascist homophobic Republicans! (http://www.logcabin.org/logcabin/home.html) :rolleyes:


Would people quit posting that shitty website?

Thankyou.

oh no! not hell! i want to go to heaven with all the homophobes and abortion clinic bombers and Bible thumping fascists!!

LOL That's good I need to remember that one.

Would people quit posting that shitty website?

Thankyou.

Because it disproves your blanket statement about Republicans?

Homophobes may be dumbasses, but they have their right to freedom of speech. Sorry to disappoint you, Alan.

gays need to repent or they're going to hell.... streight up! it's that simple.... just as murderers, rapist, thieves, and abortionist will if they do not repent.

Absolutely. A man touching another man is nearly identical to murder, rape, theft, and killing a baby.

Some common misconceptions here..
Although the nazis were horrible men, they were not mostly homosexual. The claims of homosexuality within the nazi ranks being widespread was an attempt to lower the image of the nazis. There might have been a handful of homosexual nazi officials, but not nearly the amount that you claim to have heard. Just because I'm telling you they weren't homosexual does NOT mean that they were any better on a moral scale. Also, claiming that homosexuals are more educated or productive than other groups in society is plain stupid. People are individuals and should be judged accordingly. Claiming that an entire group of people with different sexual preferences are more educated or productive than anybody else is not only entirely wrong in itself, but also slightly insulting at the same time.

One last rant. Asking for tolerance is one thing, asking for acceptance is another. Homosexuals have already recieved their tolerance, now they want acceptance. The minute you stop asking for tolerance and start asking for acceptance, you're done. It doesn't matter how just your cause is, you musn't ask anybody for acceptance of anything. People aren't entitled to accept anything, but tolerance is within the bounds of reasonable requests. Calling someone a "Christian Nazi" just because they don't want to accept what you have to say is idiotic and shouldn't be tolerated by any message board/club/group. So keep those thoughts to yourself.

Some common misconceptions here..
Although the nazis were horrible men, they were not mostly homosexual. The claims of homosexuality within the nazi ranks being widespread was an attempt to lower the image of the nazis. There might have been a handful of homosexual nazi officials, but not nearly the amount that you claim to have heard. Just because I'm telling you they weren't homosexual does NOT mean that they were any better on a moral scale. Also, claiming that homosexuals are more educated or productive than other groups in society is plain stupid. People are individuals and should be judged accordingly. Claiming that an entire group of people with different sexual preferences are more educated or productive than anybody else is not only entirely wrong in itself, but also slightly insulting at the same time.
ok come ON GUYS i thought we were done talking about nazis here! duh re-read the title "homohobes plz read!" lol not about nazia so end that one..... ok well figured it wasnt too late to add at least one post, but i suppose everyone put all their hateful ideas asside to have dreams about them or something, happy dreaming all! nighty night! lol :mp5:

I have nothing against gays in general but queens drive me insane.

Absolutely. A man touching another man is nearly identical to murder, rape, theft, and killing a baby.
but a woman touching a woman is a good thing, because straight men like that. and, as we all know, morality is defined as those things which make straight males feel good.

but a woman touching a woman is a good thing, because straight men like that. and, as we all know, morality is defined as those things which make straight males feel good.

Well duh, everyone knows that & its gunna stay that way for as long as possible.

Now bottle, Don't be grumpy just because you can't enjoy woman on woman action.


But yeah. Being gay is fine with me. Don't see any reason they shouldn't marry. Heck. If you look at this > :fluffle:
You can see that even This place supports gay/Lesbians. Otherwise wouldn't one look female and the other male instead of identical? =P

Now bottle, Don't be grumpy just because you can't enjoy woman on woman action.


buh? you are aware that i am a bisexual woman, right?

Obviously someone is confused about the Catholic doctrine regarding homosexuality. To any reasonable human being, it is in no way homophobic. Homosexuals are welcomed into the Church. However, I won't bore you with the details, I'll let you lie blissfully in your ignorance and hate.

but a woman touching a woman is a good thing, because straight men like that. and, as we all know, morality is defined as those things which make straight males feel good.

THANK YOU

I live in Kentucky, deep within the bible belt. I also happen to be bisexual... but I keep it to myself, for obvious reasons.

The biggest beef I have with homophobia is not that it exists, but that it's so freakin' unfair. Your average gay-basher will say, "OMG! OMG! NO MALE ON MALE ACTION PLZ IT'S UNNATURAL KTHXBAI", but at the same time, this is the type of guy you'll see spanking his monkey on lesbian pr0n websites.

This double standard crap makes no sense. Homophobes will be homophobes, that's not my problem. I'm just saying, how's girl-on-girl action any less "unnatural" than guy-on-guy action? XD

You do realize that many of the top Nazis- possibly including Hitler himself- were homosexuals, right?

As for my opinion of homosexuals, I have no ill feelings toward them. I respect anyone as long as they respect me in return.

Lol u stuppid, that are just roumers. Why would he want no one to be gay, if he was gay himself?! You can't lay a guy when there are no guys that wanna be laid.. You just learned that on your christian/jewes school or whatever kind of religion education you followed. Yeah Hate Hitler because he's gay not because he killed 15 million jewes peeps *your christion teacher whispers* we are better off without them.. gna gna Muhahaha.. Im not a Nazi, gay christian, jewish person btw. Although I Dislike the fact that there is something called a religion and the fact that there are fascists who judge peeps because how they look, dress or act. And lol don't start the crap on me like: Your A fascist !!!! you hate Christians!!.. because I don't put them in gass chaimbers or disrespect them..

See now when I came to this post I was almost certain I was going to agree with the sentiments of the guy posting. I completely agree that there is nothing wrong with gay people doing whatever they want in their own homes. I honestly believe its not my buisness. Following on from that thought, I believe that civil unions between two homosexuals is fine, as it only granting equal rights in front of the law which straight couples enjoy and expect.

However, when I read the content of the original post, which equated me being a Catholic with me being a Nazi, it damned near changed my opinion. The way to get your point accross is not blindly insulting anybody who you think could possibly disagree with you.

Hitler was straight idiot. So was Goebbels, Himmler, Borman, Goering(goering was a cross dresser). But most of them were straight. They were Sadists, but they weren't gay.

Hitler was a urophile (someone who gets off on being peed on). I'm not sure if he was gay, though, since he did make his niece pee on him on occasion.

The biggest beef I have with homophobia is not that it exists, but that it's so freakin' unfair. Your average gay-basher will say, "OMG! OMG! NO MALE ON MALE ACTION PLZ IT'S UNNATURAL KTHXBAI", but at the same time, this is the type of guy you'll see spanking his monkey on lesbian pr0n websites.

I know. One of my friends is like that. He makes stupid justifications for homophobia and then goes crazy whenever lesbians are mentioned or seen.

buh? you are aware that i am a bisexual woman, right?


Everyone's agnostic and bisexual. No one can make up their fucking mind!

Everyone's agnostic and bisexual. No one can make up their fucking mind!
i've made my mind up quite thoroughly. with respect to my agnosticism, i firmly believe that there is not enough information for me to responsibly make a conclusion about the existence of God, and that it would be wrong for me to simply pick a God at random based on my personal feelings. with respect to my bisexuality, i am very sure of my attraction to both genders, and also very sure that i enjoy sexual activity with members of both genders. there is nothing indecisive about it, since i'm not trying to choose between genders; i like them both equally, when it comes to physical attraction, so i don't see any reason why i should limit my choice of partner based only on physical sex characteristics.

the idea that agnosticism or bisexuality are indecisive positions is only held by people who have no understanding of either. since you clearly don't know much about agnosticism or bisexuality, i would be more than willing to answer your questions or clear up any areas of confusion for you. feel free to telegram me, to avoid hijacking this thread.

I really can't be bothered to read this thread (sorry) but here's what I have to say (my last post before bed)

Gay Men = Good, more women for the rest of us real men
Lesbians = Good, better porn for us real men
Bi Girls = Best of All
Bi men = Greedy Gits! Damn How I wish I was one of you!

Homosexually = Good. The world is over populated. More gays, less breeding pairs, population returns to a managable level. Homosexuals should be given equal rights blah blah no dicrimination etc etc etc whatever who cares! This stuff is so basic its obvious! Legalise gay marriage, more incentive to come out, fewer breeding pairs. If a guy comes onto me I treat him like a ugly bird and put him down. If I come onto as lesbian I tell her to think of me as a pleasure enhancer - like vibrator. When we perfect space colonisation, or after a world wide catastrophy that reduces the human population to near extinction then I might readdress my values (and stop encouraging homosexuallty and go back to merely accepting it) but until then gay people are still people, and they're forfilling a usfull task.

Now usually I phrase this better... and I don't often use the term 'real men'. I'm all for equal ops, bias should be made for ability not orentaion or any other abitary trait. And I really do believe in what I say I just like presenting things in a candid down to earth way that even the most jaded homophobe can't argue with. I'm not one of these people who 'say the socailly acceptable thing' I say what I believe and when I don't feel like argueing I make points that are hard to argue against to support my cause rather than what I really feel and what issues are closest to my heart.

Summery:
Homosexuallity = Good
Me = To Tired & Lazy for a serious debate

I really can't be bothered to read this thread (sorry) but here's what I have to say (my last post before bed)

Gay Men = Good, more women for the rest of us real men
Lesbians = Good, better porn for us real men
Bi Girls = Best of All
Bi men = Greedy Gits! Damn How I wish I was one of you!

Homosexually = Good. The world is over populated. More gays, less breeding pairs, population returns to a managable level. Homosexuals should be given equal rights blah blah no dicrimination etc etc etc whatever who cares! This stuff is so basic its obvious! Legalise gay marriage, more incentive to come out, fewer breeding pairs. If a guy comes onto me I treat him like a ugly bird and put him down. If I come onto as lesbian I tell her to think of me as a pleasure enhancer - like vibrator. When we perfect space colonisation, or after a world wide catastrophy that reduces the human population to near extinction then I might readdress my values (and stop encouraging homosexuallty and go back to merely accepting it) but until then gay people are still people, and they're forfilling a usfull task.

Now usually I phrase this better... and I don't often use the term 'real men'. I'm all for equal ops, bias should be made for ability not orentaion or any other abitary trait. And I really do believe in what I say I just like presenting things in a candid down to earth way that even the most jaded homophobe can't argue with. I'm not one of these people who 'say the socailly acceptable thing' I say what I believe and when I don't feel like argueing I make points that are hard to argue against to support my cause rather than what I really feel and what issues are closest to my heart.

Summery:
Homosexuallity = Good
Me = To Tired & Lazy for a serious debate


I like the way this guy thinks.

It's telling that the guy who posted this baloney is nearly illiterate.

Gay Men = Good, more women for the rest of us real men
Lesbians = Good, better porn for us real men
Bi Girls = Best of All
Bi men = Greedy Gits! Damn How I wish I was one of you!



Lesbians: good, more men for us hetero girls
Gay men: good, a chance for a girl to have a real friend with a penis
Bi men: good, a chance of a glimpse to the other side of the moon
Bi girls: sighs, wish I was one too

I really can't be bothered to read this thread (sorry) but here's what I have to say (my last post before bed)

Gay Men = Good, more women for the rest of us real men
Lesbians = Good, better porn for us real men
Bi Girls = Best of All
Bi men = Greedy Gits! Damn How I wish I was one of you!

Homosexually = Good. The world is over populated. More gays, less breeding pairs, population returns to a managable level. Homosexuals should be given equal rights blah blah no dicrimination etc etc etc whatever who cares! This stuff is so basic its obvious! Legalise gay marriage, more incentive to come out, fewer breeding pairs. If a guy comes onto me I treat him like a ugly bird and put him down. If I come onto as lesbian I tell her to think of me as a pleasure enhancer - like vibrator. When we perfect space colonisation, or after a world wide catastrophy that reduces the human population to near extinction then I might readdress my values (and stop encouraging homosexuallty and go back to merely accepting it) but until then gay people are still people, and they're forfilling a usfull task.

Now usually I phrase this better... and I don't often use the term 'real men'. I'm all for equal ops, bias should be made for ability not orentaion or any other abitary trait. And I really do believe in what I say I just like presenting things in a candid down to earth way that even the most jaded homophobe can't argue with. I'm not one of these people who 'say the socailly acceptable thing' I say what I believe and when I don't feel like argueing I make points that are hard to argue against to support my cause rather than what I really feel and what issues are closest to my heart.

Summery:
Homosexuallity = Good
Me = To Tired & Lazy for a serious debate

The. Best. Argument. In. This. Thread.

Me bows to you :D

i've made my mind up quite thoroughly. with respect to my agnosticism, i firmly believe that there is not enough information for me to responsibly make a conclusion about the existence of God, and that it would be wrong for me to simply pick a God at random based on my personal feelings. with respect to my bisexuality, i am very sure of my attraction to both genders, and also very sure that i enjoy sexual activity with members of both genders. there is nothing indecisive about it, since i'm not trying to choose between genders; i like them both equally, when it comes to physical attraction, so i don't see any reason why i should limit my choice of partner based only on physical sex characteristics.

the idea that agnosticism or bisexuality are indecisive positions is only held by people who have no understanding of either. since you clearly don't know much about agnosticism or bisexuality, i would be more than willing to answer your questions or clear up any areas of confusion for you. feel free to telegram me, to avoid hijacking this thread.

::Confusion:: Bottle, I thought you were a bono fide atheist. Not that there is anything at all wrong with being agnostic, I have much more respect for agnostics than those who argue an unanswerable question militantly on either side.

As for bisexuality, I am of the opinion that everyone is bisexual, to a certain degree. Of course, for some, their hetero-homo ratio is like 99.9 to 0.1, so it doesn't really show up. Some of us, like me, are highly towards one side, so that I would call myself somewhere on the order of 75-80% heterosexual. Others exist close to the middle. These are not indecisive people, they just happen to be attracted to both genders. Hey - best of both worlds, who can argue with that? =)

You realize that gays are the most productive, educated group of people in our soicety? Of course not, your a christian Nazi.

I'm sick of seeing repbulicans post shit like this. Clearly homophobic, they're not asking you to get into bed with them. Just tolerate them.

Have you ever seen the photos of Aushwitz, or Buchenwald. The shrivled, half dead, living corpses? Many of those people were homosexuals perescuted by the Nazis.

And you Catholics/Baptists/Oh gives a rats ass, are no better.

Do us all a favor and take that sheet off your bed and put it over your head, so then everyone can see what a flithy, miserable, creature you are.
How stupid. They are not the "most productive, and educated group". If you want to claim stuff as this, then back it up with facts. Furthermore, they degrade the moral fiber of society. Also just because Nazis exterminated homosexuals, doesn't mean homosexuality is good. I am not saying we should make them half dead, and btw, how the hell can you be half dead? You're either alive or dead. No middle way. Same for living corpses. Are you alive, or are you a corpse? But anyway, back on the track, homosexuality should be discourged in the media, and propoganded against.
P.S. I am a democrat, and a Jew. So much for your stereotypes right there.
P.P.S. Lesbian porn should be outlawed
P.P.P.S. So should all other kinds of porn, but lets not go into this now.

How stupod. They are not the most productive, or educated group. If you want to claim stuff as this, then back it up with facts. Furthermore, they degrade the moral fiber of society. Also just because Nazis exterminated homosexuals, doesn't mean homosexuality is good. I am not saying we should make them half dead, and btw, how the hell can you be half dead? You're either alive or dead. No middle way. Same for living corpses. Are you alive, or are you a corpse? But anyway, back on the track, homosexuality should be discourged in the media, and propoganded against.
P.S. I am a democrat, and a Jew. So much for your stereotypes right there.

What's moral fiber? Is like it bran fiber?

And Joe Lieberman is also a Jewish Democrat, but he's no liberal. He campaigned against violent video games, remember?

And what good does "propoganding" against homosexuality do? We gonna turn gay people straight?

Furthermore, they degrade the moral fiber of society.

In other words, they don't agree with your particular morals, and you are afraid that you might be wrong. Gotcha.

But anyway, back on the track, homosexuality should be discourged in the media, and propoganded against.
P.S. I am a democrat, and a Jew. So much for your stereotypes right there.

Yeah, just like liking the color orange should be discouraged in the media, and propoganda should be made against it. After all, liking the color orange degrades the moral fiber of society. Peas too, we should get rid of people who like peas.

What's moral fiber? Is like it bran fiber?

And Joe Lieberman is also a Jewish Democrat, but he's no liberal. He campaigned against violent video games, remember?

And what good does "propoganding" against homosexuality do? We gonna turn gay people straight?
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A) Moral fiber is the morality frame of the society. It shouldn't be moral to be gay, or zoophilic, you get the idea

B) No idea who Joe Lieberman is.

C) No, we're going to prevent straight people from turning gay.

I have read through this entire thread. What amazes me is the amount of immaturity and sheer stupidity there is here. If you dislike GLBT, i really don't care. I'll be who I want to be. And if any of you extremists want to do something about it, I can and will defend myself, physically if necessary...however, i believe that my sharpest weapon is my wits. that, and the fact that not EVERYONE who has a religion thinks that being gay is a sin. i, for one, have pagan-like beliefs. I am also a lesbian. does this mean i am sick and wrong too? if it does to you, that's just peachy. don't waste your breath, or your typing space, condemning me to whatever Monotheistic Hell you can come up with. Karma catches you in the end. most of you need to grow up, and stop bickering about history. focus on what is. not what was.


Hear, hear! You rock.

C) No, we're going to prevent straight people from turning gay.

Considering that sexuality is not a choice that you make, it's already done - looks like you don't need your propaganda after all.

In other words, they don't agree with your particular morals, and you are afraid that you might be wrong. Gotcha.



Yeah, just like liking the color orange should be discouraged in the media, and propoganda should be made against it. After all, liking the color orange degrades the moral fiber of society. Peas too, we should get rid of people who like peas.

In this order.
There is a set of morals for the entire society. The notion of me being afraid i am wrong has nothing to do with anything i typed, and just serves to bash my argument

B) Liking the color orange has nothing similar to being gay. Being gay, means that you take sex to be not an activity for reproducing, but just something you do for fun, so you are allowed to experiment with it,and try sex with same genders, animals, kids, old people. Etc.

The Nazis killed more "Communists" than they did Jews, Gays and Gypsies combined.

Stop bringing the Nazis into this argument.

Considering that sexuality is not a choice that you make, it's already done - looks like you don't need your propaganda after all.
It is absolutely a choice. Very much like the choice to do homocide.

I'm not sure how much I believe homosexuality is "not a choice." I do believe that certain people have those urges more than others, but that doesn't necessarily mean it to be correct or acceptable.

For instance, pedophilia. The only reason it is not "acceptable" is because we, as a society, have decided not to accept it. It would be just as easy to say, however, that pedophilia is a condition you are born with and that, since it is "natural," we should condone it.

Just because an activity or urge is "natural," in the sense you are born with it, does not mean it is right.

The Nazis killed more "Communists" than they did Jews, Gays and Gypsies combined.
Yes, but they killed more jews than anyone else in concentration camps.
27 million soviet soliders/civilains in war
11 million people in concentration camps
6 million jews in concentration camps.

6 million jews in concentration camps.

And only half of them were "real jews", the rest just happened to be in the wrong place and the wrong time and looked sorta jewish...

and about 5 million+ of those Soviets were in camps/pows, the other 22 in combat.

You realize that gays are the most productive, educated group of people in our soicety? Of course not, your a christian Nazi.

I'm sick of seeing repbulicans post shit like this. Clearly homophobic, they're not asking you to get into bed with them. Just tolerate them.

Have you ever seen the photos of Aushwitz, or Buchenwald. The shrivled, half dead, living corpses? Many of those people were homosexuals perescuted by the Nazis.

And you Catholics/Baptists/Oh gives a rats ass, are no better.

Do us all a favor and take that sheet off your bed and put it over your head, so then everyone can see what a flithy, miserable, creature you are.

So...

someone says that they oppose homosexuality morally, but don't think the government should do anything about it, except not reward people for being gay.

You respond that they are "filthy, miserable" "christian Nazis."

Kindly look into the mirror and realize that, as long as any substantial number of homosexuals act as you do, yelling that even the slightest thing said against you is Nazi/KKK/AWB-esque racist hate crime, no homosexual will be respected by the nation at large.

People do not have to like you. Get used to it.

In this order.
There is a set of morals for the entire society. The notion of me being afraid i am wrong has nothing to do with anything i typed, and just serves to bash my argument

The only reason that you could possibly be threatened by others who are not harming you holding different morals is if you are afraid that your own morals might change in response.


B) Liking the color orange has nothing similar to being gay. Being gay, means that you take sex to be not an activity for reproducing, but just something you do for fun, so you are allowed to experiment with it,and try sex with same genders, animals, kids, old people. Etc.

It is truly amazing that anyone could be this ignorant of the truth. Being gay doesn't even require having sex. A homosexual is attracted almost exclusively to members of the same sex (kind of like enjoying the color orange). Even if they never have sex, they are still homosexual.

So because a person is opposed to homosexuality they are somehow on the same ground as Nazi's?

I suppose this is the same as if you support President Bush, you're a Nazi.

Good to see everyone has opened their history book recently.

It is absolutely a choice. Very much like the choice to do homocide.

Yes, because we all decide who we want to be attracted to. We all walk into a room and say "THAT ONE OVER THERE! THAT'S THE ONE I WANT TO BE ATTRACTED TO!"

Or, could it be, that what actually happens is this: We walk into a room, look around, and spot someone that we find attractive. Then we think, "Wow, that person is attractive, I might like to pursue a relationship with them."

The only choice involved is whether or not to pursue them.

I just wanted to say, I love you guys (heterosexually) :D

You are prolife? That's not very fascist.... You want to hand guns into the hands of peasents? Thats not very fascist... You don't support genetic enginering? That's not very fascsit...

Liberialism and Fascism are meant for eachother. The wedding of the two greatest ideologies in history.

Check out my flag:

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=alansyists


The two ideologies will NEVER merge. The goal of fascisim is to destroy the politics of communism and the weak politics of liberalism. Your always contradicting yourself(calling yourself a fascist even though you use the slur "nazi pig" at your opponents) Its a pity too because your only 13 and you seem to have a lot of potential as a future fascist(you just seem to be hating the wrong side) What you need to do is calm down and rethink your politics and consider joining the right wing. You have a style of writing that is very strong and persuasive but you have to realize that the commies at the left wing will never listen to you because they are all "compassionate" and feel that violence and fascism are not the answers to our problems. Your talents will ultimately go to waste there. So I ask you to please consider changing your current political position.

P.S: please dont respond with your usual type of responce, I have reframed from trying to insult you and you should try to do the same as well.

The only reason that you could possibly be threatened by others who are not harming you holding different morals is if you are afraid that your own morals might change in response.



It is truly amazing that anyone could be this ignorant of the truth. Being gay doesn't even require having sex. A homosexual is attracted almost exclusively to members of the same sex (kind of like enjoying the color orange). Even if they never have sex, they are still homosexual.
In that order:
No, because I care about this society, and I don't want it to degrade. Just like you would be opposed to people who.. I don't know... burn kittens alive for fun. THey're not hurting you, right?

A homosexual is attracted to members of opposite sex, because they turn him on, and he wants to have sex with them.

I'm not sure how much I believe homosexuality is "not a choice." I do believe that certain people have those urges more than others, but that doesn't necessarily mean it to be correct or acceptable.

For instance, pedophilia. The only reason it is not "acceptable" is because we, as a society, have decided not to accept it. It would be just as easy to say, however, that pedophilia is a condition you are born with and that, since it is "natural," we should condone it.

Bad analogy. Children are not capable of providing informed consent. Thus, the person cannot act on their urges without causing harm to another person. Two consenting adults are not harming one another when they have sex.

Just because an activity or urge is "natural," in the sense you are born with it, does not mean it is right.

No, it doesn't. However, if it does not harm anyone, the idea of whether or not it is "right" is up for debate. Thus, you may think it is wrong for some reason, but another may think it is right for them. As long as a homosexual is not trying to force you to have homosexual sex, you really shouldn't take issue with what someone else believes.

So because a person is opposed to homosexuality they are somehow on the same ground as Nazi's?

I suppose this is the same as if you support President Bush, you're a Nazi.

Good to see everyone has opened their history book recently.
That is what liberals and leftists do, they throw the Nazi labelon to anyone who doesn't agree with their radical views.

In that order:
No, because I care about this society, and I don't want it to degrade. Just like you would be opposed to people who.. I don't know... burn kittens alive for fun. THey're not hurting you, right?

Burning kittens alive does harm someone or something unduly. (and yes, it would hurt me). Two loving people in a relationship does not harm me (or society) in the least.

A homosexual is attracted to members of opposite sex, because they turn him on, and he wants to have sex with them.

You have cause and effect mixed up.

Cause: A person is homosexual.
Effect: That person is attracted to members of the same sex.

Cause: A homosexual is attracted to a member of the same sex.
Effect: That member of the same sex turns the homosexual on.

Cause: The other person turns the homosexual on.
Effect: The homosexual wants to have sex with the other person.

Either way, the intitial attraction part - which defines sexuality - is not a choice.

Yes, because we all decide who we want to be attracted to. We all walk into a room and say "THAT ONE OVER THERE! THAT'S THE ONE I WANT TO BE ATTRACTED TO!"

Or, could it be, that what actually happens is this: We walk into a room, look around, and spot someone that we find attractive. Then we think, "Wow, that person is attractive, I might like to pursue a relationship with them."

The only choice involved is whether or not to pursue them.
if by them you mean members of opposite sex, then yes.

The only reason that you could possibly be threatened by others who are not harming you holding different morals is if you are afraid that your own morals might change in response.

It's a very legitimate gripe though.

Your morals will change depending on society around you, why do you think Americans, Europeans, other Anglo-Saxons etc all hold different opinions on many things?

How many people could really hold up their opinions in spite of a constant barrage of the opposite? Not too many.

This may have been said, but I don't really intend to sift through 16 pages to find out: am I the only one who considers it backwards to call out 'homophobes'? More often than not, that term is misused either as an insult, or by labelling people who dislike homosexuality as being afraid of it.

Either way, what would compel someone to respond to a topic where the very title is a slight against them?

Maybe I'm just strange. In any event, if my memory serves, this makes 20 topics on homosexuality currently available on the General forum. Actually, the other 19 are gay marriage threads alone; I don't know about how many there are if you add in debates on homosexuality.

Le sigh.

if by them you mean members of opposite sex, then yes.

For you, that may be correct. For a homosexual, it is members of the same sex. For a bisexual, it is members of either sex that happen to be attractive to them.

hehe Syd, I think people just enjoy the fun of dealing with the rampant liberalism over this board.

:p

This may have been said, but I don't really intend to sift through 16 pages to find out: am I the only one who considers it backwards to call out 'homophobes'? More often than not, that term is misused either as an insult, or by labelling people who dislike homosexuality as being afraid of it.

Either way, what would compel someone to respond to a topic where the very title is a slight against them?

Maybe I'm just strange. In any event, if my memory serves, this makes 20 topics on homosexuality currently available on the General forum. Actually, the other 19 are gay marriage threads alone; I don't know about how many there are if you add in debates on homosexuality.

Le sigh.

The term homophobic does not mean "afraid of homosexuals" any more than the term hydrophobic means that silicon is afraid of water. The term can be defined as "a fear of or an extreme dislike of homosexuals." Thus, homophobe is a perfectly reasonable term for someone who doesn't like homosexuals.

So because a person is opposed to homosexuality they are somehow on the same ground as Nazi's?

I suppose this is the same as if you support President Bush, you're a Nazi.

Good to see everyone has opened their history book recently.
Supporting Bush is a whole subject of itself.

Supporting gays is another. I don't think anyone should be asking hetero's to run up to their nearest homo and give'em a hug and start singing kumbuya. However, out right hate for any group is oppressive. Whether you think it's a choice or the way someone is born, realizing that they are a person should be the only factor.

For the record, gays aren't interested in everyone of the same sex. Likes and dislikes apply regardless of sexuality. So no matter how hot you think you are everyone doesn't want you.

It's a very legitimate gripe though.

Only from someone who is very weak-willed.

Your morals will change depending on society around you, why do you think Americans, Europeans, other Anglo-Saxons etc all hold different opinions on many things?

They don't. The percentages might be different, but you will find the range of views pretty much everywhere.

How many people could really hold up their opinions in spite of a constant barrage of the opposite? Not too many.

Anyone who isn't weak-willed and actually has anything backing up those opinions. This is like saying that if I read the Koran, I won't be able to be Christian anymore. It simply isn't true.

The term homophobic does not mean "afraid of homosexuals" any more than the term hydrophobic means that silicon is afraid of water. The term can be defined as "a fear of or an extreme dislike of homosexuals." Thus, homophobe is a perfectly reasonable term for someone who doesn't like homosexuals.

Homosexuality is one of many words in the english language that carries more than one meaning. One of those meanings is, in fact, fear of homosexuals/homosexuality. Now like any word with multiple meanings, the interpretation is left to two things: the context in which it is used, and the eye of the beholder.

I am suggesting that homophobia is more often than not used in a context which exploits the fear meaning, as opposed to the strong dislike meaning.

The term homophobic does not mean "afraid of homosexuals" any more than the term hydrophobic means that silicon is afraid of water. The term can be defined as "a fear of or an extreme dislike of homosexuals." Thus, homophobe is a perfectly reasonable term for someone who doesn't like homosexuals.
But the point is that, all feelings aside about homosexuality, anyone who disagrees with special rights for homosexuals is labeled homophobic or a nazi.

So because a person is opposed to homosexuality they are somehow on the same ground as Nazi's?

You aren't on the same ground as a Nazi, but you certainly don't make sense. How can you be opposed to one person being attracted to another? It's like saying "I am opposed to people who like the color orange" or "I am opposed to all pea-eaters!"

I suppose this is the same as if you support President Bush, you're a Nazi.

Nah, although a recent study showed that you may be extremely uninformed politically.