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I enjoy a lively debate.

There are many things that I disagree with The Republican party on, surely most Democrats don't agree with every position of The Democratic party.

I'll go ahead and say it, I'm proud to be voting for Bush this election.

Bring on the democratic talking points and I'll shoot them down for you one by one.

I'm conservative. You arent alone there.
I'm voting for Kerry though.

I'll be voting for Bush, too.

I'm ultra-conservative, yet I despise the Republicons just as much as the Democraps. Both are militantly pro-big government, pro-internationalism, anti-constitution, pro-centralization, anti-states' rights, pro-socialism, pro-protectionism, etc.

I'm conservative and voting for Bush. I'm not happy with everything he does, but I would be less pleased with Kerry.

Highly Conservative registered Demoncat... er Democrat. I try to subvert the liberials from the inside.

Oh yeah, BUSH all the way.

What particular species of conservative are you?
I'm certainly fiscally conservative.
Not a neoconservative.
I'm glad you are proud to be voting for Bush.
I am proud to *not* be voting for him.
Not sure I will be voting for Kerry though. It's tough because I'm in a swing state. My vote actually matters, unlike most who live in states that are largely already decided.
I think the Republican party is an absolute disgrace for even giving Bush the nomination four years ago. Talk about inexperience, sheesh.
Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz are evil fascists. Maybe if they all are fired or resign before the election, I'll vote for Bush. I'm not so much against him as I am against his administration.
Ridge in '08!

Bring on the democratic talking points and I'll shoot them down for you one by one.

Modest, aren't ya?

Im not going to try and convince people to not vote for bush but give you the opertunity to change your minds yourselfs.

Look at what he promised last election, did he fufill most of what he said? Was the war on iraq justified or a resource hungry scandel? Look at what he has said over the years, does it make sense to you? Has he treated other countrys with the same respect he treats america or as them and us? Do you agree with the removal of overtime pay?

They say in order to understand somthing you have to be outside it, how does other countrys view america? better or worse?

If you can honestly agree with Bush after looking up all this info by all means vote for him but dont vote blindly, judge him by last election to know if he realy will fufuil all his promises but not taint the view of america to the world.

But overall, dont vote for him just because he's chrisitan, sure you will benifit from it in the longrun if your also chriaitan by having your views cramed down americas neck but think about will it be worth it in the longrun.

Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz are evil fascists.

Then what was Hitler? Fascist squared?

If you choose to be conservative, be conservative. do what you wish. I really don't give a damn about politics any more.

All polititians are the same. They make empty promises. they become corrupt. They go to war so they can keep an army that should only be as big in a world war. then they convince brainless morons who cannot see the corruption that they were good, and should be in power again, while another moron who would turn the country into a crime ridden craphole convinces people he should be allowed to be corrupt.

I say you should protest, and throw your vote away on the third party candidate.

Living in the UK, I know how corrupt polititians are. They are all the same. weak, useless, and ruled by their advisors, while their PR spokesmen try to make them look good.

Fuck politics. I say it's time for a revolution of anarchy. and anyone who has a problem with my views can go to hell.

In my opinion, a cold-hearted Iron fist government that rules by fear would be the only way to keep order.

But overall, dont vote for him just because he's chrisitan, sure you will benifit from it in the longrun if your also chriaitan by having your views cramed down americas neck but think about will it be worth it in the longrun.
Funny how people who use the courts to "CRAM" their veiws down my throat (Abortion, Gays in the boyscouts, Condoms in schools, Sex ed for GRADE schoolers, ect,ect ad nausium) are afraid of someone who openly declares his Christianity and then accuse him of the very thing that they have been doing.
Tell me, oh so very enlightened one, Exactly how have Christian values been crammed down your throat? Be specific.

I enjoy a lively debate.

There are many things that I disagree with The Republican party on, surely most Democrats don't agree with every position of The Democratic party.

I'll go ahead and say it, I'm proud to be voting for Bush this election.

Bring on the democratic talking points and I'll shoot them down for you one by one.
aqnd ill shoot down your asinine republican talking points, ace

Well for one thing my Aunt's work no longer distributes birth control pills. And those things are expensive.

Let's see, Gays ae openly perescuted for their sexuality. Anytime Islam is mentioned in public schools you are called a terroist. So you conservative nazis have shoved Jesus down are throaghts.

On top of that we are in debt larger than asshole Reagen got us into. 30,000 innocent Iraqis have been killed(civilian non-terroist.) 1,000 US troops, and hundreds of foreign troops.

Democratic press has been censored, prominent democrats have been "hushed." And 9/11 has become kiss Bush's ass day.

Americans are spending over 2,000 dollars more for gas and milk than ever before(but you got that $600 tax cut) Huge guns are now "legal."(the columbine kids were begotten by repbulican swine, NRA approved)

Research that could cure blindness, diabetes, and inumberable amount of human suffering is against "Gods will." Adult stem cells have nothing to do with dead fetuses. But Bush doesn't care about the suffering people in this world.

Alzheimers killed Reagen(yeh) And it could have been cured with stem cell research. How the irony! :) :)

Now that we have posts declaring they shoot down points, let's add some red meat to the buffet here.

Should the government enact legislation to tell people how to behave in their personal, behind the front door, lives?

On the one hand, I'd like to know if terrorists are cooking up a bomb or a crystal meth lab is producing death down the street.

On the other hand, nobody has te right to enter my abode unless I deem it so.

Discuss o' worthy conservatives and liberals.

:)

I'm ultra-conservative, yet I despise the Republicons just as much as the Democraps. Both are militantly pro-big government, pro-internationalism, anti-constitution, pro-centralization, anti-states' rights, pro-socialism, pro-protectionism, etc.

Maybe the Constitution Party is for You?

Funny how people who use the courts to "CRAM" their veiws down my throat (Abortion, Gays in the boyscouts, Condoms in schools, Sex ed for GRADE schoolers, ect,ect ad nausium) are afraid of someone who openly declares his Christianity and then accuse him of the very thing that they have been doing.
Tell me, oh so very enlightened one, Exactly how have Christian values been crammed down your throat? Be specific.

*sigh* Stellar. You think that you have a take on "talking points" that a hundred people before you haven't brought up? I suggest you start contributing to threads and practice using your amazing powers of debate before you arrogantly think to take on all comers.

I would think that the easiest way to define how Bush's pride in his Christian heritage has led to poor policy would be through 3 examples: First, calling the war on terror a "crusade", and second, the reinstatement of the Global Gag Rule (which took an act of the Senate to overturn), and his stance on same-sex unions (which, ironically, violates the traditional conservative stance of allowing "states' rights"). If you need me to explain the impacts of these to you, I'll be more than happy to do so.

Preempt: if your response to this post includes examples of past policies by others that have attempted to force certain views on others, I'll have to laugh at you. You asked for examples of how Bush's views have crammed certain sets of beliefs down people's throats, not a comparative analysis between Bush and anyone else. Be careful what you ask for...you might just get it.

Bring on the democratic talking points and I'll shoot them down for you one by one.

You've presented a false dichotomy here. I'm more opposed to Bush than a typical Democrat, and I'm a conservative libertarian. He's a worthless piece of sh*t and so is Kerry. I wouldn't dream of voting for either one. You're living in a fantasy world if you think you can predict which one will be less destructive.

Anyway, Bush is hardly a conservative in the traditional sense, but I recognize that political terms often morph to mean their opposite.

How could you call yourself a conservative and also vote for George Bush? Unless you're talking about his social facism, Bush is possibly the most liberal president in the history of the US. He has created more government programs, spent more money, and created a bigger deficit; inflation-adjusted, than any other. I'm a conservative and I'm voting for Badnarik.

Both are [...] pro-socialism

No. Just... no.

I enjoy a lively debate.

There are many things that I disagree with The Republican party on, surely most Democrats don't agree with every position of The Democratic party.

I'll go ahead and say it, I'm proud to be voting for Bush this election.

Bring on the democratic talking points and I'll shoot them down for you one by one.

You are indeed not alone. Though I don't think Bush is doing the best job, I can't trust Kerry. I'm not fully a conservative, just a right-leaning centrist.

Maybe the Constitution Party is for You?

You are correct. The only thing about them I don't like (and Goed pointed out the same thing) is that they seem to want to make the U.S. a theocracy.

No. Just... no.

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Erm.....Go Communists!

(Actually, I'm a liberal Socialist, But i despise both Kerry and Bush.)

You've presented a false dichotomy here. I'm more opposed to Bush than a typical Democrat, and I'm a conservative libertarian. He's a worthless piece of sh*t and so is Kerry. I wouldn't dream of voting for either one. You're living in a fantasy world if you think you can predict which one will be less destructive.

Anyway, Bush is hardly a conservative in the traditional sense, but I recognize that political terms often morph to mean their opposite.


I'd like to add that there's too much emotion attached in these discussions of politics lately. Haven't seen this much vitriolic debate since Vietnam. Perhaps we are confronted with the same "no win" situation now as we had then? I know... my draft number was 310, so I barely missed serving (it reached 250), and it was a very polarized time. You were either a "tech-hawk" or a "commie liberal".

I don't know why the current extremism scares me more, but it does. Perhaps I care a little too much. Perhaps history is just repeating itself.

Here's wishing we get to the next election, and we have some better choices next time.

QUOTED-[I would think that the easiest way to define how Bush's pride in his Christian heritage has led to poor policy would be through 3 examples: First, calling the war on terror a "crusade", and second, the reinstatement of the Global Gag Rule (which took an act of the Senate to overturn), and his stance on same-sex unions (which, ironically, violates the traditional conservative stance of allowing "states' rights"). If you need me to explain the impacts of these to you, I'll be more than happy to do so.]

1. Crusade remark - ok, gotta give you that one.

2. Global Gag Rule - Is it our moral imperative to give Abortion-on-Demand to the rest of the world? Hasn't it done enough damage here? Many in the US object to our funds being used to kill babies.

3. Same-Sex Unions - You're dead wrong on the States' Rights issue here. The Constitution calls for each state to provide "Full Faith" to contracts, etc., consummated in other states. This would force some states to acknowledge same-sex unions, even when they have enacted laws against them. The Definition of Marriage Amendment would protect states' rights.

1. Crusade remark - ok, gotta give you that one.

Much obliged. It's refreshing to see someone willing to make concessions, even if they disagree overall with my political views.

2. Global Gag Rule - Is it our moral imperative to give Abortion-on-Demand to the rest of the world? Hasn't it done enough damage here? Many in the US object to our funds being used to kill babies.

I think that we differ on our interpretation of what the global gag rule does. It stops federal funding to any organization that offers abortion as any part of their counseling or services. Which means that even an organization which only presents all the legal options to a person in their country (without encouraging or suggesting any of them) is denied federal funding. The context of the original argument made by Ganja was that Bush wasn't forcing Christian ideals down anyone's throat. I say that this is a pretty clear example of how Christian views are being forced down the throats of not only US citizens, but people all over the globe as well.

Additionally, "killing babies" is hardly an indisputable fact. I personally happen to be against abortion, but from a scientific perspective, a fetus is not a baby. Just as neither sperm nor eggs are babies. As for many in the US objecting to it, many people in the US object to it being banned as well.

3. Same-Sex Unions - You're dead wrong on the States' Rights issue here. The Constitution calls for each state to provide "Full Faith" to contracts, etc., consummated in other states. This would force some states to acknowledge same-sex unions, even when they have enacted laws against them. The Definition of Marriage Amendment would protect states' rights.

I don' think I'm wrong about it. The conservative concept of states' rights is a concept of limited federal government. The idea that unless there's some overarching reason for it, the federal government should butt out. However, defying all conservative principles, Dubya decided to try and push an amendment that legislated his personal morality. The big deal apparently is about the word "marriage". Can you tell me what the basis for saying marriage has to be between a man and a womyn is? Hence, by attempting to pass laws regulating what can and can't be considered a marriage, he has said to the states, "You can't decide this...the federal government has decided to regulate this issue", with no justification for federal intervention.

I am a conservative.

Genjar or whatever still hasn't responded to my post....

First, calling the war on terror a "crusade"...
crusade, krö•sad', n. [Fr. croisade, from L. crux, a cross.][often cap.]
n.

Any enterprise undertaken through enthusiasm

It doesn't only mean a religious war sanctioned by the pope. Granted, that is how it is commonly used, but that is not its only meaning.

As far as the original post goes, I am a conservative, and my family and I will be voting for Bush this coming election.

I enjoy a lively debate.

There are many things that I disagree with The Republican party on, surely most Democrats don't agree with every position of The Democratic party.

I'll go ahead and say it, I'm proud to be voting for Bush this election.

Bring on the democratic talking points and I'll shoot them down for you one by one.

Yes, you are the only conservative, which explains why Bush is so far behind in the polls.

How could you call yourself a conservative and also vote for George Bush? Unless you're talking about his social facism, Bush is possibly the most liberal president in the history of the US. He has created more government programs, spent more money, and created a bigger deficit; inflation-adjusted, than any other. I'm a conservative and I'm voting for Badnarik.

Didn't my first post state quite clearly that I do not agree with every position the republican party??
The fact is that you are correct when you say that Bush has spent like a lib both domestically and abroad. that would be sveral of the many thing I find wrong with the current republican party.

Still haven't responded.

*sigh* Stellar. You think that you have a take on "talking points" that a hundred people before you haven't brought up? I suggest you start contributing to threads and practice using your amazing powers of debate before you arrogantly think to take on all comers.

I would think that the easiest way to define how Bush's pride in his Christian heritage has led to poor policy would be through 3 examples: First, calling the war on terror a "crusade", and second, the reinstatement of the Global Gag Rule (which took an act of the Senate to overturn), and his stance on same-sex unions (which, ironically, violates the traditional conservative stance of allowing "states' rights"). If you need me to explain the impacts of these to you, I'll be more than happy to do so.

Preempt: if your response to this post includes examples of past policies by others that have attempted to force certain views on others, I'll have to laugh at you. You asked for examples of how Bush's views have crammed certain sets of beliefs down people's throats, not a comparative analysis between Bush and anyone else. Be careful what you ask for...you might just get it.
Not one has become LAW
Touche' ;)

No, you're not the only conservative here. Although I really don't classify myself as a conservative, I tend to agree more with so-called "conservative" positions than with most other political persuasions.

I suspect the greatest value of a conservative approach to most things is the concept of "keeping those standards and practices which history has demonstrated actually work."

We need the "progressives" and "liberals" to keep "conservatives" relatively honest, and to constantly challenge the ideas of the past so the society doesn't ossify.

Yes, but we liberials have no use for you.

And by the wat it's spelled Etursca. LOLOLOL

Yes, but we liberials have no use for you.

And by the wat it's spelled Etursca. LOLOLOL

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Actually, the fact that you have "no use" for me is cause for great relief. Thank you! :D

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Actually, the fact that you have "no use" for me is cause for great relief. Thank you! :D


Ah the first link spells it Etrusca, and the third is some stupid jewlery seller. Ahh did I prove the idiot wrong?

I enjoy a lively debate.

There are many things that I disagree with The Republican party on, surely most Democrats don't agree with every position of The Democratic party.

I'll go ahead and say it, I'm proud to be voting for Bush this election.

Bring on the democratic talking points and I'll shoot them down for you one by one.

we may stalk in the shaddows, but rest assured, you are not alone

Not one has become LAW
Touche' ;)

Um, the reversal of the gag order was law until the Senate overturned it. And it doesn't have to be law (or even legislation - executive orders and foreign policy, for instance) for a president to try and cram his religion down my throat.

Me, Biff and one guys who name I can't rember are conservatives all thou you may find me dislikeable biff is very intelligent educated and helpful not that the liberals will listen to him but..

Some would call me conservative :p