NationStates Jolt Archive

First "saddam" was going to blow us all up with nuclear bombs. *
Then he was building nuclear bombs. **
Then he was going to give osama bin laden all sorts of nasty chemical and biological weapons. ***
Then he was making nasty chemical and biological weapons. ****
Then he was planning to make nuclear bombs. *****
Then he was planning to make chemical and biological weapons. ******
Then we had to 'free' the iraqis, the most terribly opressed poor people in the whole world. *******

Then... at long last... the *real* justification for invading iraq, slaughtering the iraqis, losing more than a thousand americans, ruining our foreign policy, becoming hated around the world, wasting 200 billion dollars...

"Saddam was systematically GAMING THE SYSTEM"

Could this sound byte be the new "Dean scream"?







*LIE
**LIE
***LIE
****LIE
*****LIE
******LIE
*******LIE

finally someone is telling the truth.

Saddam should play some Mister X. I'm sure he'd be quite good at it :) Fact is and fact remains, there was no reason for this war. It was unnecessary, at the wrong time and in the wrong country. Not that I approve of war at all in this day and age, but the horse manure I heard from the US since 2002 to justify this war and ever flip-flopping on the reasons, has not inspired much confidence in the leadership of that country. It merely shows how incompetent and weak even the potus is - just a man with the capability of doing misjudgements. Yet the high standard his position used to be held at has ever deterriorated since I've seen how Clinton was harrassed for his blowjob and Georgieboy can commit atrocities and lies all he wants and is immune. These double-standards in dealing with their own issues, make the US just another rogue nation that follows it's own interest for national gain, not for morally good reasons.

Lets face it. the war really was to secure the oil. remember, whoever controls the oil controls the economy!

*Is sniped by US officials to stop the truth getting out* :sniper:

So, no one thinks the war was nothing more that George Dubya trying to finish off why his ol' pappy started and failed to complete?

Or, possibly an excuse to attack Iraq because he needed to attack someone in retribution of 9/11?

Or, because he is an in-bred, f**k-wit who thinks the only way to be remembered as good President is to have a war during his term in office?

So, no one thinks the war was nothing more that George Dubya trying to finish off why his ol' pappy started and failed to complete?

Or, possibly an excuse to attack Iraq because he needed to attack someone in retribution of 9/11?

Or, because he is an in-bred, f**k-wit who thinks the only way to be remembered as good President is to have a war during his term in office?

Those as well. I think there were many reasons for the war.

-The oil

-Finishing daddys work

-Scapegoat for 9/11

-To be remembered

-total moron

-useless cover-up of intelligence report

But lets face it. he's won, and will now most likely get re-elected by the "Free" people of america.

America-land of the free... For the rich people. if your poor, then you are screwed.

Afghanistan was already "revenge" for 9/11. And even there the US killed a ton more civilians than died at 9/11. I think, to even it out, a nuclear bomb should be dropped on NY. See what it is like, taking an eye for an eye - or an American life for an Afghani or Iraqi life. This "war on terror" is a joke. A propaganda coup to bring former sovereign nations under the rule of Washington to control the oil reserves of the middle east. Puppet governments (Karzai and Allawi are both US puppets) will help greatly with this.

About Karzai:

In 2001, following the September 11 terrorist attack, Karzai worked with agents of the United States to overthrow the Taliban in Afghanistan and muster support for a new government. On December 5, 2001 exile Afghan political leaders--many with no followers inside Afghanistan--gathered in Bonn, Germany, and named Karzai chairman of a 29-member governing committee and leader of an interim government. The ceremony for the transfer of power took place December 22.

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His actual authority outside the capital city of Kabul is said to be so limited that he is often derided as the "Mayor of Kabul." Although he has little or no popular support outside Kabul, the incumbent Karzai appears likely to defeat his 22 opponents in the country's presidential election on October 9th, 2004. Endorsement by the United States administration under George W. Bush, incumbency, the brief one month campaign season, and the paucity of news coverage in the country about his opponents make him the probable winner in an election expected to be flawed by violence and vote fraud.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karzai


About Allawi:

A former Ba'athist, Allawi set up and leads the CIA-supported Iraqi National Accord which carried out bombings in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. In the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, the INA provided intelligence about alleged weapons of mass destruction to MI6. Allawi is also alleged to have personally executed six Iraqi prisoners in June 2004 to "send a clear message to the police on how to deal with insurgents".

Allawi has lived about half of his life in the UK and retains British citizenship.

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Allawi was recruited by the CIA in 1992 as a counterpoint to the more well-known CIA asset Ahmed Chalabi, and because of the INA's links in the Ba'athist establishment. According to former CIA officers, Allawi's INA organised terrorist attacks in Iraq between 1992 and 1995, allegedly including the bombing of a cinema and a school bus that killed school children. This campaign never posed a threat to Saddam Hussein's rule, but was designed to test INA's capability to effect regime change.

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Beginning in 2003, Allawi paid prominent Washington lobbyists and New York publicity agents more than $300,000 to give him access to Washington policy-makers and journalists. The funds passed through his ally in the UK, Mashal Nawab.

Allawi channelled the report from an Iraqi officer claiming that Iraq could deploy its supposed weapons of mass destruction within "45 minutes" to British Intelligence. [7] (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/kelly/story/0,13747,1131993,00.html) This claim featured prominently in the September Dossier which the British government released in 2002 to gain public support for the Iraq invasion. In the aftermath of the war, the "45 minute claim" was also at the heart of the confrontation between the British government and the BBC, and the death of David Kelly later examined by Lord Hutton. Giving evidence to the Hutton Inquiry, the head of MI6 Richard Dearlove suggested that the claim related to battlefield weapons rather than weapons of mass destruction.[8] (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/09/16/1063625031302.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true) An Allawi spokesman admitted in January 2004 that the claim was a "crock of shit."[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allawi

I really wouldn't mind if they just came out and admitted that the war was for personal gain, I wouldn't... But i wish they would stop trying to please the UN by having a "Goody two shoes" reason.

Stop pretending america. admit your war is pointless.

I really wouldn't mind if they just came out and admitted that the war was for personal gain, I wouldn't... But i wish they would stop trying to please the UN by having a "Goody two shoes" reason.

Stop pretending america. admit your war is pointless.
Some one should point www.nationstates.net to bush. He'll get a nice Corrupt Dictatorship AND read all the stuff we're saying now.

Plus he'd RP:"I have 50000 nukes. I declare war on you all" :D

may all that is good bless all of the honesty that has been stated by the several posters above and those who have stated it.

i honestly know almost nothing reliably factual about sadam hussain himself.

what i do know is that it was donald rumsfield who gave him the green light to invade kiuwaite (however it's spellt)

it was donald rumsfield who saw to it that sadam hussain had the biological and chemical weapons to use against iran
(the same biological agents that we are told killed whole populations of one or several northern kurdish villages and that what ever power sadam hussain may have had he was certainly no god of winds and weather and this may well have been the genuine accident he claimed it to have been)

and it was donald rumsfield who gave george w bush the green light to invade iraq

we know that sadam hussain kept faith with the demands of the u.n. to disarm whatever cbn armed weaponry iraq might have possessed.

and that george w bush knowingly and premeditatedly broke that faith by invading iraq anyway.

we do know that sadam hussain's government ordered the draing of the southern iraqi wetlands thereby destroying the ages old way of life of the people who lived there.

but for all i know, donald rumsfield may have ordered him to do that as well.

we do know that sadam hussain wanted to let france and russia control the sale and distribution of iraq's oil instead of the united states and great britain and that the timing of this would certainly suggest a connection with bush's invasion.

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Some one should point www.nationstates.net to bush. He'll get a nice Corrupt Dictatorship AND read all the stuff we're saying now.

Plus he'd RP:"I have 50000 nukes. I declare war on you all" :D

and he'd send in his millions of troops with Personal Nuke launchers... He'd be the most annoying n00b in the world! :headbang: