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Okay, I'm sorry but I have to say this.

Even as a hardcore liberal (currently wearing Proud to be a Democrat boxers), I have to say that Cheney won the VP debate. Even though Edwards came off as a better moral person (I think), Cheney just owned in factual debates.

I have to agree. I may stick to Edwards' policies and ideas and goals for American more than Cheney's, but Cheney definitely outdebated Edwards.

EDIT: I'm moderate liberal.

Nah, Cheney lied and froze out the viewer too much. Edwards acted like he was in the courtroom, not a formal political debate, but he still owned Cheney in factual evidence, arguments, and well, charisma.


I'm highly liberal.
http://www.youforgotpoland.com/vpdebate.jpg

The debate was a tie. A stalemate. No one won.
But what makes you think Cheney did?

As a diehard conservative I thought the debate was a tie as well. Edwards courtroom experience served him well with his demeaner and his "distortions".

Cheney's experience in the political arena also served him well.

Both men used statistics that pointed in their favor that were "statistics" at best (as in statistics can prove anything) and misleading at worst.

I still have to point out one telling point as to Character (of both men). Edwards made a comment to the fact that Cheney and his wife both loved thier daughter, as families should. Cheney gave up his "rebuttal" with a simple thank you, saying he wanted to "thank the senator for the kind words he said about my family and our daughter. I appreciate that very much."

What I thought was Cheney's best point, that that night was the first time he ever met Edwards (senate participation etc), was shot down by factcheck.org (he met him at some dinner thing and even addressed him and his wife by name).

The whole factcheck.com thing is too funny for words as well...

I still have to point out one telling point as to Character (of both men). Edwards made a comment to the fact that Cheney and his wife both loved thier daughter, as families should. Cheney gave up his "rebuttal" with a simple thank you, saying he wanted to "thank the senator for the kind words he said about my family and our daughter. I appreciate that very much."

That was simple checkmate on edwards part, he shut down any attempt by cheney to push the republican anti-gay agenda masterfully.

i thought that Cheney sounded very much in control and much more experienced

however, Edwards seemed more earnest, honest, and "for the people". i like that he was a trial lawyer, and that he's an optimist. also, i like that he managed to render Cheney virtually speechless
also, i liked that he stood behind his values, while Cheney came off sounding a bit hypocritical and slightly heartless... i don't know how he could vote against head start and meals on wheels. we're no communists, but we should take care of our people... caring for the American people means more than just fighting wars... it means making their lives better too.

i found that both Cheney and Edwards were more eloquent than Kerry and Bush, and that they were more dignified as well

VPs rule

:)

What I thought was Cheney's best point, that that night was the first time he ever met Edwards (senate participation etc), was shot down by factcheck.org (he met him at some dinner thing and even addressed him and his wife by name).

The whole factcheck.com thing is too funny for words as well...
To everyone else in the threads, Im sorry, I can't help myself.

Factcheck.org didn't shoot down that at all. The pointed out that the Kerry-Edwards campaign pointed out 2 events that both of the men were there, at the same time. This really doesn't mean they met.

I admit that Cheney's use of the "first time" remark was a bit underhanded to try to bring home the point that Edwards had somewhat a lackluster attendance record. However, it really can't be proven that they had met earlier.

Im not sure, and I might have missed it, but the best person to refute that claim was sitting right next to Cheney. I would have imagined a "What the frill are you talking about? I met you at X, Y, and Z events!" from Edwards would have put that remark to rest.

Factcheck.org didn't shoot down that at all. The pointed out that the Kerry-Edwards campaign pointed out 2 events that both of the men were there, at the same time. This really doesn't mean they met.
Heh, sure, but it seems to me if Cheney directly addressed Edwards, then he must have met him. I don't tend to address strangers, myself.

Im not sure, and I might have missed it, but the best person to refute that claim was sitting right next to Cheney. I would have imagined a "What the frill are you talking about? I met you at X, Y, and Z events!" from Edwards would have put that remark to rest.Agreed completely on this. Perhaps he either wasn't given the chance for a rebuttle, or simply couldn't think or an appropriate comeback at the time. You know, I bet he's come up with a great one by now...

He didn't address him, he thanked him in the opening (or closing) of a speech. Being able to recognize someone, and to do the polite thing and thank them for attending is one thing, but not necessarily the same as meeting them. Im just saying that it's possible that the two haven't met yet.

And if Edwards has come up with a "great" rebuttle, why hasn't he issued it yet?

Edwards moral. Heee hee!

Cheney just owned in factual debates.


You're kidding, right?

Edwards was abit off on some of his facts, but Cheney was WAY off.

http://factcheck.org/article.aspx@DocID=272.html

And if Edwards has come up with a "great" rebuttle, why hasn't he issued it yet?I meant the kind of rebuttle you come up with playing a scene over in your head long after the rebuttle will have ceased to be as effective.

The pointed out that the Kerry-Edwards campaign pointed out 2 events that both of the men were there, at the same time.
To be a bit more precise, it pointed out that the co-chaired an event, sat next to eachother for the proceedings, and that there's video evidence of them shaking hands. I've done less with my father's wife of the past five years.

However, Cheney still schooled the kid half his size and less than half his age. Bully.

To everyone else in the threads, Im sorry, I can't help myself.

Factcheck.org didn't shoot down that at all. The pointed out that the Kerry-Edwards campaign pointed out 2 events that both of the men were there, at the same time. This really doesn't mean they met.

There's a picture of them seated directly next to each other (I don't know if it is on factcheck, but I've seen it). I usually meet the people I'm sitting next to at an event.