NationStates Jolt Archive

Well...first I just wanted to point out that this week the SEC has 6 teams in the top 25. More than any other conference...

The Big Ten is right behind the SEC with 5 teams. ACC has 4 teams. Big 12 and Pac-10 have 3 each. The remaining four spots are given to Big East, Conference USA, Mountain West, and Western Athletic, each with one each. Just going off that statistic, the SEC is the best college football conference...however #24 LSU is scheduled to play #12 Florida in Florida and I suspect LSU will lose, bumping them out of the SEC, but it's hard to say who will move up into the top 25 and it's also hard to say what teams, if any, will fall out.

Here is another statistic that says quite a bit more about the SEC...
Birmingham, AL - The Southeastern Conference had 260 of its former players on opening day playing rosters in the National Football League, which leads all college football conferences.

The Big Ten was second with 215 followed by the ACC with 212, the Pac-10 with 196, Big 12 with 80 and the Big East with 78 former players on NFL rosters.

Tennessee led all SEC schools with 38 former players in the NFL followed by Florida and Georgia with 36 each, LSU with 31, Auburn with 22 and Alabama with 20. Ole Miss and South Carolina each had 17 former players on NFL rosters, Mississippi State had 16, Arkansas 13, Vanderbilt 10 and Kentucky had four.


SEC PLAYERS IN THE NFL
[Listed alphabetically by institution / listed alphabetically by last name]

ALABAMA (20)
Alexander, Shaun - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
Bryant, Fernando - DETROIT LIONS
Dixon, Tony - DALLAS COWBOYS
Ephraim, Alonzo - PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
Griffin, Cornelius - WASHINGTON REDSKINS
Hape, Patrick - DENVER BRONCOS
Johnson, Jarret - BALTIMORE RAVENS
Jones, Terry - BALTIMORE RAVENS
Luke, Triandos - DENVER BRONCOS
Mohr, Chris - ATLANTA FALCONS
Moorehead, Kindal - CAROLINA PANTHERS
Myers, Michael - CLEVELAND BROWNS
Myles, Reggie - CINCINNATI BENGALS
Odom, Antwan - TENNESSEE TITANS
Pope, Derrick - MIAMI DOLPHINS
Rasheed, Saleem - SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Samuels, Chris - WASHINGTON REDSKINS
Smiley, Justin - SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Townsend, Deshea - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
Williams, Shaud - BUFFALO BILLS

ARKANSAS (13)
Andrews, Shawn - PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
Barrett, David - NEW YORK JETS
Bua, Tony - MIAMI DOLPHINS
Carroll, Ahmad - GREEN BAY PACKERS
Caver, Quinton - KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Hall, Carlos - TENNESSEE TITANS
Hamlin, Ken - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
Johnson, Raylee - DENVER BRONCOS
Kennedy, Kenoy - DENVER BRONCOS
Miller, Caleb - CINCINNATI BENGALS
Smith, Richard - KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Williams, Bobbie - CINCINNATI BENGALS
Williams, Boo - NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

AUBURN (22)
Anderson, Willie - CINCINNATI BENGALS
Beasley, Fred - SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Brown, Mark - NEW YORK JETS
Carter, Tim - NEW YORK GIANTS
Dansby, Karlos - ARIZONA CARDINALS
Davis, Stephen - CAROLINA PANTHERS
Diamond, Lorenzo - ARIZONA CARDINALS
Evans, Heath - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
Gandy, Wayne - NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Gray, Chris - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
Hood, Roderick - PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
James, Jeno - MIAMI DOLPHINS
Johnson, Rudi - CINCINNATI BENGALS
Johnson, Spencer - MINNESOTA VIKINGS
Pucillo, Mike - BUFFALO BILLS
Richardson, Tony - KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Riley, Victor - NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Spikes, Takeo - BUFFALO BILLS
Thomas, Dontarrious - MINNESOTA VIKINGS
Torbor, Reggie - NEW YORK GIANTS
Walker, Gary - HOUSTON TEXANS
Washington, Marcus - WASHINGTON REDSKINS

FLORIDA (36)
Brown, Alex - CHICAGO BEARS
Caldwell, Reche - SAN DIEGO CHARGERS
Carlisle, Cooper - DENVER BRONCOS
Carter, Kevin - TENNESSEE TITANS
Davis, Andra - CLEVELAND BROWNS
Doering, Chris - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
Gaffney, Jabar - HOUSTON TEXANS
Grossman, Rex - CHICAGO BEARS
Hilliard, Ike - NEW YORK GIANTS
Jackson, Darrell -SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
Jackson, Terry - SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Jacobs, Taylor - WASHINGTON REDSKINS
Johnson, Doug - TENNESSEE TITANS
Johnson, Todd - CHICAGO BEARS
Kearse, Jevon - PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
Kinney, Erron - TENNESSEE TITANS
Manuel, Marquand - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
Matthews, Shane - BUFFALO BILLS
McCray, Bobby - JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
Mitchell, Jeff - CAROLINA PANTHERS
Nattiel, Mike - MINNESOTA VIKINGS
Palmer, Jesse - NEW YORK GIANTS
Pearson, Mike - JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
Peterson, Mike - JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
Piller, Zach - TENNESSEE TITANS
Keiwan Ratliff, - CINCINNATI BENGALS
Scott, Ian - CHICAGO BEARS
Sheppard, Lito - PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
Smith, Emmitt - ARIZONA CARDINALS
Starks, Max - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
Taylor, Fred - JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
Taylor, Travis - BALTIMORE RAVENS
Troupe, Ben - TENNESSEE TITANS
Walker, Aaron - SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Walker, Kenyatta - TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
Warren, Gerard - CLEVELAND BROWNS

GEORGIA (36)
Bailey, Boss - DETROIT LIONS
Bailey, Champ - DENVER BRONCOS
Bell, Kendrell - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
Bierria, Terreal - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
Carter, Quincy - NEW YORK JETS
Cochran, Antonio - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
Daniels, Phillip - WASHINGTON REDSKINS
Evans, Demetric - WASHINGTON REDSKINS
Ferguson, Jason - NEW YORK JETS
Foster, George - DENVER BRONCOS
Geathers, Robert - CINCINNATI BENGALS
Gilbert, Tony - JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
Godfrey, Randall - SAN DIEGO CHARGERS
Grant, Charles - NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Haynes, Verron - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
Hearst, Garrison - DENVER BRONCOS
Herndon, Steve - ATLANTA FALCONS
Jennings, Jonas - BUFFALO BILLS
Kasay, John - CAROLINA PANTHERS
McMichael, Randy - MIAMI DOLPHINS
Pass, Patrick - NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Peterson, Todd - SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Phillips, Jermaine - TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
Seymour, Richard - NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Smith, Musa - BALTIMORE RAVENS
Stinchcomb, Jon - NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Stinchcomb, Matt - TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
Strong, Mack - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
Stroud, Marcus - JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
Sullivan, Johnathan - NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Terry, Chris - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
Thornton, Bruce - DALLAS COWBOYS
Ward, Hines - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
Watson, Ben - NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Wiggins, Jermaine - MINNESOTA VIKINGS
Witherspoon, Will - CAROLINA PANTHERS

KENTUCKY (4)
McCree, Marlon - HOUSTON TEXANS
Pinner, Artose - DETROIT LIONS
Robertson, Dewayne - NEW YORK JETS
Williams, Moe - MINNESOTA VIKINGS

LSU (31)
Allen, Kenderick - NEW YORK GIANTS
Clark, Ryan - WASHINGTON REDSKINS
Clayton, Michael - TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
Davey, Rohan - NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Davis, Domanick - HOUSTON TEXANS
Edwards, Eric - ARIZONA CARDINALS
Faneca, Alan - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
Faulk, Kevin - NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Faulk, Trev - ST. LOUIS RAMS
Gay, Randall - NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Green, Howard - NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Green, Jarvis NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Henderson, Devery - NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Hill, Marquise - NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
James, Bradie - DALLAS COWBOYS
James, Tory - CINCINNATI BENGALS
Kennison, Eddie - KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Lavalais, Chad - ATLANTA FALCONS
Mauck, Matt - DENVER BRONCOS
Mawae, Kevin - NEW YORK JETS
McClure, Todd - ATLANTA FALCONS
McFarland, Anthony - TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
Price, Marcus - BUFFALO BILLS
Reed, Josh - BUFFALO BILLS
Richey, Wade - BALTIMORE RAVENS
Roman, Mark - GREEN BAY PACKERS
Royal, Robert - WASHINGTON REDSKINS
Toefield, LaBrandon - JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
Walker, Denard -OAKLAND RAIDERS
Wiley, Chuck - MINNESOTA VIKINGS
Winey, Brandon - NEW YORK GIANTS

OLE MISS (17)
Anderson, Charlie - HOUSTON TEXANS
Andrews, Stacy - CINCINNATI BENGALS
Bowens, Tim - MIAMI DOLPHINS
Burgess, Derrick - PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
Hand, Norman - NEW YORK GIANTS
Heard, Ronnie SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Hutchins, Von - INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
Lucas, Ken - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
Mangum, Kris - CAROLINA PANTHERS
Manning, Eli - NEW YORK GIANTS
McAllister, Deuce - NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Metcalf, Terrence - CHICAGO BEARS
Pritchett, Kelvin - DETROIT LIONS
Reyes, Tutan CAROLINA PANTHERS
Vincent, Keydrick PITTSBURGH STEELERS
Wade, Todd HOUSTON TEXANS
Wayne, Nate PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

MISSISSIPPI STATE (16)
Blade, Willie - JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
Brown, Eric - HOUSTON TEXANS
Favors, Greg - JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
Griffith, Justin - ATLANTA FALCONS
Haggan, Mario - BUFFALO BILLS
Harris, Walt - WASHINGTON REDSKINS
Kelly, Reggie - CINCINNATI BENGALS
Kelly, Tommy - OAKLAND RAIDERS
Lee, Donald - MIAMI DOLPHINS
McKinley, Alvin - CLEVELAND BROWNS
Moulds, Eric - BUFFALO BILLS
Sears, Corey - HOUSTON TEXANS
Smoot, Fred - WASHINGTON REDSKINS
Thomas, Randy - WASHINGTON REDSKINS
Womack, Floyd - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
Wyms, Ellis - TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS

SOUTH CAROLINA (17)
Abraham, John - NEW YORK JETS
Brown, Sheldon - PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
Cousin, Terry - NEW YORK GIANTS
Edwards, Kalimba - DETROIT LIONS
Freeman, Arturo - MIAMI DOLPHINS
Goodman, Andre' - DETROIT LIONS
Jenkins, Corey - MIAMI DOLPHINS
Moore, Langston - CINCINNATI BENGALS
Nesbit, Jamar - NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Offord, Willie - MINNESOTA VIKINGS
Pinkney, Cleveland - ATLANTA FALCONS
Pinnock, Andrew - SAN DIEGO CHARGERS
Pritchett, Stanley - ATLANTA FALCONS
Robinson, Dunta - HOUSTON TEXANS
Robinson, Marcus - MINNESOTA VIKINGS
Staley, Duce - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
Wharton, Travelle - CAROLINA PANTHERS

TENNESSEE (38)
Baker, Rashad - BUFFALO BILLS
Battle, Julian - KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Bryson, Shawn - DETROIT LIONS
Clifton, Chad - GREEN BAY PACKERS
Coleman, Cosey TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
Ellis, Shaun - NEW YORK JETS
Fleming, Troy - TENNESSEE TITANS
Franklin, Aubrayo - BALTIMORE RAVENS
Garner, Charlie - TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
Grant, Deon - JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
Greer, Jabari - BUFFALO BILLS
Haynesworth, Albert - TENNESSEE TITANS
Henderson, John - JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
Henry, Travis - BUFFALO BILLS
Jones, Mark - NEW YORK GIANTS
Lewis, Jamal - BALTIMORE RAVENS
Little, Leonard - ST. LOUIS RAMS
Lott, Andre - WASHINGTON REDSKINS
Manning, Peyton - INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
Martin, David - GREEN BAY PACKERS
Moore, Eddie - MIAMI DOLPHINS
Moore, Rashad - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
Parker, Eric - SAN DIEGO CHARGERS
Price, Peerless - ATLANTA FALCONS
Ritzmann, Constantin - BUFFALO BILLS
Stallworth, Donte' - NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Stevenson, Dominique - WASHINGTON REDSKINS
Teague, Trey - BUFFALO BILLS
Thompson, Raynoch - ARIZONA CARDINALS
Walker, Darwin - PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
Washington, Kelley - CINCINNATI BENGALS
Weary, Fred - HOUSTON TEXANS
Westmoreland, Eric - CLEVELAND BROWNS
Whiteside, Keyon - INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
Wilson, Al - DENVER BRONCOS
Wilson, Cedrick - SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Wilson, Gibril - NEW YORK GIANTS
Witten, Jason - DALLAS COWBOYS

VANDERBILT (10)
Battles, Ainsley - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
Chavous, Corey - MINNESOTA VIKINGS
Duncan, Jamie - ATLANTA FALCONS
Hillenmeyer, Hunter - CHICAGO BEARS
Jones, Rushen - MINNESOTA VIKINGS
Quarles, Shelton - TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
Stewart, Matt - ATLANTA FALCONS
Williams, Jimmy - SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Winborn, Jamie - SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Yoder, Todd - JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
http://www.arsnonline.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=900

You know, normally when I say the SEC is the best football conference, I get lots of people disagreeing. Now I prove it...and no one says anything.

SEC sucks. Big 12 rocks the house. Mountain West is pretty cool too.

SEC blows.
BIG TEN!!!

The statistics disagree with both of you.
Big Ten isn't far behind the SEC statistically however.

Statistics for the last 20 years dont agree with you.
You base your opinion on a 'snap shot'.

Statistics for the last 20 years dont agree with you.
You base your opinion on a 'snap shot'.
The SEC isn't the best college football conference because other conferences used to be better?

...slavery is a good thing because aside from the past 150ish years, all of history agrees with slavery.

By the way, when counting players in the NFL according to what conference they hail from, that's not exactly a snapshot. Peyton Manning isn't exactly a recent graduate from Tennessee...

Being ahead one year is in no way the best.
The Michigan football team has won an NCAA-record 833 games through the 2003 season.
833 games the best.
Consistancy, SEC is a joke.
ON top once means nothing.
Big Ten teams are always on top of the heap, like I said you have one good year and you call them the best.
Whooohoooo.
Wow, SEC is on a roll.

The SEC consistantly puts out quality teams. That's why the SEC is one of the conferences included in the BCS. By the way, I'm most definitely not talking about individual teams. I'm talking about whole conferences. Your Michigan record means nothing when comparing conferences except that Michigan plays in a conference that is easier to win games in.

Pro-Ball Hall of fame top 11 hall of fame producing colleges:
Notre Dame (10) A-1 Independents
Southern California (10) Pac Ten
Alabama (6) SEC, wow they got one in there!!!
Illinois (6) Big Ten
Michigan (6) Big Ten
Ohio State (6) Big Ten
Minnesota (5) Big Ten
Oregon (5) Pac Ten
Penn State (5) Big Ten
Southern Methodist (5) WAC
Syracuse (5) Big East

July 13, 2004
"Big Ten football standouts continued to collect preseason accolades as 12 student-athletes were named to the watch lists for the Outland Trophy, Bronko Nagurski Trophy and Davey O'Brien Award. The Outland Trophy annually recognizes the top interior lineman in college football, the Nagurski Trophy is awarded to the best defensive player in the nation while the O'Brien Award honors the preeminent quarterback in the country.

The Football Writers Association of America (FWAA) announced both the Outland and Nagurski watch lists last week, as Wisconsin defensive tackle Anttaj Hawthorne was one of only six players to be named to both lists. The 2003 First Team All-Big Ten selection joined SMU's Allan Adami, Kansas State's Jermaine Berry, USC's Shaun Cody, Miami's Orien Harris and Wyoming's Zach Morris as nominees for both prestigious honors. Hawthorne was one of three Badgers on the Outland watch list along with guard Dan Buenning and center Donovan Raiola, as Wisconsin was one of only four schools with three honorees along with Florida State, Miami (FL) and Oklahoma. Other Big Ten players on the list included Michigan guard David Baas and Minnesota center Greg Eslinger. Tackles, centers and guards that play on offense or defense are eligible for the award, which is chosen by the FWAA All-America Committee. Iowa's Robert Gallery, the No. 2 pick in the most recent NFL draft, claimed the Outland Trophy last year, making him the ninth Big Ten standout to collect the honor. "

The SEC consistantly puts out quality teams. That's why the SEC is one of the conferences included in the BCS. By the way, I'm most definitely not talking about individual teams. I'm talking about whole conferences. Your Michigan record means nothing when comparing conferences except that Michigan plays in a conference that is easier to win games in.
Michigan is just an example- and if it makes you feel better about the SEC sure BIg Ten is easier teams.
The Hall of fame disagrees with you though.

The SEC sent seven of its teams to postseason bowl games in 2003-2004, winning an NCAA-best five. For the 23rd straight season, the SEC has recorded the largest total attendance figure of any conference in the nation, with over six million fans attending games in the conference in 2003. Five SEC teams were ranked in the final Top 25 of the Associated Press and USA Today/ESPN polls. LSU won its second SEC title in three years and won their first national championship since 1958. Last year Arkansas' Shawn Andrews was awarded the Jacobs Blocking Trophy.

It's a good thing we're limiting this to football so it's actually a challenge. Heh, Arkansas is by far the best Track and Feild team--and I'm not even going to talk about the SEC as a whole.

http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/Output/2003/CF_2003_Main.html
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/Output/2002/CF_2002_Ranking_Best.html
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/Output/2001/CF_2001_Ranking_Best.html
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/Output/2000/CF_2000_Ranking_Best.html
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/Output/1999/CF_1999_Main.html
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/Output/1998/CF_1998_Ranking_Best.html
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/Output/1997/CF_1997_Ranking_Best.html
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/Output/1996/CF_1996_Ranking_Best.html
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/Output/1995/CF_1995_Ranking_Best.html
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/Output/1994/CF_1994_Ranking_Best.html
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/Output/1993/CF_1993_Ranking_Best.html
The records of who dominates the top ten speak for themselves.

If we counted everything then it would be a tragic loss to SEC given the literacy rate of the region. Most Big Ten Alumini learn to read before college not after.

I'm not saying the SEC is a clear cut dominating conference over the Big Ten, but they do indeed have more top 25 teams than any other conference at this point in time, which means...at this point in time...they've got more quality football programs than any other program. Actually...here is a better way to look at it...which benefits the Big Ten. The Big Ten has 5 of 10 schools in the top 25. 0.500. The SEC has 6 of 12 schools in the top 25. 0.500. It's pretty even. But in the SEC, much moreso than the Big Ten, there are very, very few games that you mark down as a W before the season even starts.

If we counted everything then it would be a tragic loss to SEC given the literacy rate of the region. Most Big Ten Alumini learn to read before college not after.
"Consistently, Arkansas students have won prestigious national and international scholarships and fellowships. Federally and corporately funded research has grown dramatically, with Arkansas' faculty winning major research grants from the nation's most competitive programs."

This from the state who flip-flops between 49th and 50th as far as high school education goes.


"University of Kentucky academic programs boast 80 national rankings for quality education. UK is one of only a few universities in the country with a teaching and research campus and a medical center all in one central location."


"Because of its designation as a Research I University - the top category of the Carnegie Foundation's ranking of research institutions - LSU ranks in the top two percent of the nation's colleges and universities."


"Since 1998, when the university produced its 24th Rhodes Scholar, Ole Miss has produced a Marshall Scholar, four Truman Scholars, four Fulbright Scholars, and five Goldwater Scholars."


"Mississippi State is home to one of the top 20 supercomputing sites among American universities, according to the Top 500 Supercomputer Sites semiannual survey"


"The University of South Carolina's undergraduate international-business program is the top-ranked program in the country, according to U.S. News & World Report's 2004 "America's Best Colleges Guide.""

No they dont have more quality programs.

They got a good enrollment.
They got good player recruited to their colleges which may inturn lead to a good program later.
NFL means nothing in the overall quality of a college program.
I take ten mediocre players and unite thme to smash a couple of superstars I have the superior program.
Will the NFL draft any of my individuals?
Doubtful.
Equating NFL interest in PLAYERS to mean that the program is better, is just wrong.
Ask any NFL player if the BigTen is or ever has been a weak conference-the answer is no-never.
Ask the same question about the SEC- yes it has been.
It isnt now, but when I say BEST- I mean Best.
My question for you is, were you fan of the SEC when they didnt have a slew of players in the NFL.

Source: America's Best Colleges, US News, 2004
Rank University
1 Harvard University
1 Princeton University
3 Yale University
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5 California Institute of Technology
5 Duke University
5 University of Pennsylvania
5 Stanford University
9 Dartmouth College
9 Washington University in St. Louis


I dont see a SEC U in there.

No they dont have more quality programs.

They got a good enrollment.
They got good player recruited to their colleges which may inturn lead to a good program later.
NFL means nothing in the overall quality of a college program.
I take ten mediocre players and unite thme to smash a couple of superstars I have the superior program.
Will the NFL draft any of my individuals?
Doubtful.
Equating NFL interest in PLAYERS to mean that the program is better, is just wrong.
Ask any NFL player if the BigTen is or ever has been a weak conference-the answer is no-never.
Ask the same question about the SEC- yes it has been.
It isnt now, but when I say BEST- I mean Best.
My question for you is, were you fan of the SEC when they didnt have a slew of players in the NFL.
I've always been an SEC fan and I never said the Big Ten was a weak conference. The Big Ten has and always will have top notch programs. The SEC will always have a pretty good balance. On any given Saturday, any given SEC team can beat any other SEC team (unless we're talking about Vandy).

Source: America's Best Colleges, US News, 2004
Rank University
1 Harvard University
1 Princeton University
3 Yale University
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5 California Institute of Technology
5 Duke University
5 University of Pennsylvania
5 Stanford University
9 Dartmouth College
9 Washington University in St. Louis


I dont see a SEC U in there.
Wow...of those, which ones are Big Ten? How many of those schools have football programs that could compete for a national title?

The only one of those colleges that isn't a private college or a technical institute is U of Penn.

Rank in 2003* Number of Patents in 2003* Organization* (Rank
in 2002) (Number of Patents in 2002)
1 439 University of California (1) (431)
2 139 California Institute of Technology (3) (110)
3 127 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (2) (135)
4 96 University of Texas (5) (93)
5 85 Stanford University (4) (104)
6 84 University of Wisconsin (6**) (81)
7 70 Johns Hopkins University (6**) (81)
8 63 University of Michigan (12) (47) Big Ten
9 61 Columbia University (13) (45)
10 59 Cornell University (21**) (35)
59 University of Florida (15) (42) SEC

Reuters just Ranked UofMs Business school Number in the Nation ahead of Stanford.

Sam Walton. That's all I've got to say about the U of A. Sam Walton. Does that name ring a bell? I think he changed the world. Sam Walton, where have I heard that before?

"And, of course, two former faculty members made it to the White House. The nation's 42nd president, William J. Clinton (1993-2001), and first lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton (U.S. Senator from New York), were faculty members of the University of Arkansas School of Law in the mid-1970s. Mr. Clinton started in 1973, and Ms. Rodham began teaching in 1974. They were married in Fayetteville and left the faculty at the end of 1976 so Mr. Clinton could begin work as Arkansas' new attorney general."

Being an electric engineer at the U of A, this is the kind of stuff I like reading: The High Density Electronics Center has established itself as one of the top electronics packaging research and education facilities in the world. HiDEC has executed contracts from government and industry totaling more than $30 million. Projects have ranged from multichip module (MCM) design to the development and evaluation of new technologies and electronic products.

Hey, these two UA alumni are pretty impressive as well:

J. Walter Keller '46, developer of the heart pacemaker
Robert Mauer '49, inventor of fiber optic technology

You realize you named under a dozen people.
I mean out of the entire SEC you got under a dozen people.
Top Business Schools in the NAtion ranked by Business Week for 2000-2001
1 Pennsylvania (Wharton)
2 Northwestern (Kellogg)
3 Harvard
4 MIT (Sloan)
5 Duke (Fuqua)
6 Michigan
7 Columbia
8 Cornell (Johnson)
9 Virginia (Darden)
10 Chicago
11 Stanford
12 UCLA (Anderson)
13 NYU (Stern)
14 Carnegie Mellon
15 UNC — Chapel Hill
16 Dartmouth (Tuck)
17 Texas — Austin (McCombs)
18 UC Berkeley (Haas)
19 Yale
20 Indiana
21 Rochester (Simon)
22 Vanderbilt (Owen)
23 Washington University (Olin)
24 USC (Marshall)
25 Purdue (Krannert)
26 Georgetown (McDonough)
27 Maryland (Smith)
28 Emory (Goizueta)
29 Michigan State (Broad)
30 Georgia Tech (DuPree)

Wall Street Journal Ranks Ross(U of M) School of Business # 1

Uof M Alumni
George Crumb, composer, completed his doctorate in music there in 1959
Gerald R. Ford, 38th U.S. president, studied economics and political science. He played center on two national-championship American football teams and was the team's most valuable player in 1934. He received his B. A. degree in 1935.
Richard Gephardt, United States House Minority Leader, graduate of UM Law School.
David Allen Grier, actor
James Earl Jones, actor
Bill Joy, co-founder of Sun Microsystems.
Ted Kaczynski (the Unabomber) earned a Ph.D in mathematics at the University of Michigan in 1967
Lawrence Kasdan studied creative writing and won four Hopwood Awards
Jack Kevorkian received a medical degree with a specialty in pathology in 1952
Christine Lahti, actress
Lucy Liu, actress
Madonna won a scholarship while in high school to study dance at the University of Michigan; she left the university in the late 1970s
William Mayo, co-founder of the Mayo Clinic
Arthur Miller, playwright, author of Death of a Salesman, The Crucible
Larry Page, co-founder of Google
Iggy Pop, rock star
Gilda Radner, actress / comedian
Claude E. Shannon, "father of information theory"
Mike Wallace, TV Journalist
Chris Webber, NBA star, currently with the Sacramento Kings
Thomas and John Knoll, Co-Creators of Photoshop

I am only using UofM to argue against the SEC to keep it fair.

PAce Maker wow.
The University of Michigan Health System includes three hospitals: C.S. Mott Children's Hospital, University Hospital, and Women's Hospital, as well as nearly 150 clinics and MCare, an HMO. The university opened the first university-owned hospital in the United States in 1869. The EKG, gastroscope, and Jonas Salk's polio vaccine were invented at the university.

1) I'm only naming Arkansas people and such. I'm not going through all the stuff for all the SEC schools.

2) That list is 3 years old. The Sam W. Walton College of Business at the University of Arkansas is currently ranked 28th.

The university in 2003 has 51,000 students and 5,600 faculty in three campuses. The University of Michigan system includes the main Ann Arbor campus as well as two others, the University of Michigan, Dearborn and the University of Michigan, Flint. The university has the largest pre-medicine and pre-law university in the country and the largest yearly research expenditure of any university in the United States. It is one of two colleges to have both engineering and medical schools ranked in the U.S.'s top ten. In the 1990s the University of Michigan claimed to have the largest assemblage of Apple Macintosh computers outside of the main factory.

You want maybe NorthWestern now?
Yeah I like Purdue myself but NW is ggod.

Ok, one more Michigan

New York City real estate developer Stephen M. Ross, BBA ’62, has provided a gift of $100 million to the University of Michigan Business School. It is the largest donation ever to a U.S. business school and the largest gift to the University in its 187-year history. In recognition of the power of the gift to elevate the school’s aspirations and realize its ambitious vision, the Board of Regents met in special session on September 9, 2004, to rename the school the Stephen M. Ross School of Business.
Ross, who earned his degree in accounting from the Michigan Business School, is founder, chairman and chief executive officer of The Related Companies, L.P., developer of the $1.7 billion, 2.8 million-square-foot Time Warner Center on Columbus Circle in New York City. The company’s real estate portfolio, valued in excess of $8 billion, makes it one of the most prominent real estate developers in the country. The Related Companies is also the largest shareholder in CharterMac, the country’s largest financier of affordable housing in the United States, with approximately 250,000 units in 44 states.
Ahh Alumni, are great. Especially when their education makes them successful.

$100 million?

"In October 2001, the University publicly launched the largest comprehensive fund-raising effort in its history: the Campaign for the Twenty-First Century. At that time, the University's goal was to raise $500 million from alumni, friends, foundations, corporations and other organizations by June 30, 2004.

All of that changed with the $300 million gift commitment from the Walton Family Charitable Support Foundation in April 2002. Suddenly, Campaign totals exceeded $600 million in gifts and pledges - $100 million over the goal with 27 months remaining. Campaign leaders elected to raise the Campaign goal to $900 million and extend the life of the Campaign to June 30, 2005. There are more than 200 volunteers engaged in the effort."

$300 million.

I have enjoyed this Opal, however my wife is ready to kill me.
So thanks for a childish arguement that didnt resort to flaming.
Mine is better then yours!!! :D

Oh, by the way, the $100 million is a record for money contributed directly to a business school...but do you know what was the record before that? The $50 million given from the Walton charity to the University of Arkansas' business school, which was consequently renamed the Sam W. Walton College of Business.

Opal, Ross personally donated 100million, himself, alone, no drive to raise money, nothing.
He volunteered it.
His own money.
Not a trust, just him.
One guy and his wallet and UM degree.
Good luck with the telethon though. ;)

night man.

The $300 million is all from the Sam W. Walton foundation. Walton can't exactly do it himself since he's kind of dead. The goal is to raise $900 million. The U of A has to raise $300 million to get the $300 million from the Waltons, and their goal is to raise another $300 million on top of that. They're past the $300 million mark.

Private gift support has grown from $20.4 million in 1997 to $363 million in 2003, a 1,679 percent increase. These annual totals include gifts actually received and exclude pledges.

That's a pretty damned good improvement.

SEC ALL TEH WAY
GO USC!!!11!1@2 (University of South Carolina, not the goddamn Trojans)

SEC ALL TEH WAY
GO USC!!!11!1@2 (University of South Carolina, not the goddamn Trojans)
I can't wait til the Hogs come up there and whip up on your guys.

Arkansas has played on National TV 3 times so far...and they'll play on national TV against Auburn, and against LSU...that's 5 of 11...and I'm sure that Georgia@Arkansas and maybe Arkansas@SouthCarolina might be on TV as well. Why? People love watching SEC football.

mmmmm OU-Tex this weekend... yeah, Big 12 still rocks.

SEC ALL TEH WAY
GO USC!!!11!1@2 (University of South Carolina, not the goddamn Trojans)
Fight on man, just fight on. ;)

I'm not saying the SEC is a clear cut dominating conference over the Big Ten, but they do indeed have more top 25 teams than any other conference at this point in time, which means...at this point in time...they've got more quality football programs than any other program. Actually...here is a better way to look at it...which benefits the Big Ten. The Big Ten has 5 of 10 schools in the top 25. 0.500. The SEC has 6 of 12 schools in the top 25. 0.500. It's pretty even. But in the SEC, much moreso than the Big Ten, there are very, very few games that you mark down as a W before the season even starts.

Sorry...I had to point out that the Big Ten has eleven teams.

Orton for Heisman?

The SEC isn't only the best conference in college football, it's also the hardest.

Go Gators this weekend! Beat LSU!

Everybody look for me on TV (figuratively)!

Sorry...I had to point out that the Big Ten has eleven teams.
Say what? And they're the ones getting the better education...? Jesus...

The SEC isn't only the best conference in college football, it's also the hardest.

Go Gators this weekend! Beat LSU!

Everybody look for me on TV (figuratively)!

USC vs cal this weekend. Look for me on TV. Literally. ;)

I love being in the Trojan Marching Band.

The SEC isn't only the best conference in college football, it's also the hardest.

Go Gators this weekend! Beat LSU!

Everybody look for me on TV (figuratively)!
Hmm Alligator vs Kitty kat. Shouldn't be too tough. LSU@Florida is probably an easier match up than Arkansas@Florida.

I love being in the Trojan
Sounds like fun.

Sounds like fun.

Funny thing is, when the RAs hand out condoms they don't give out Trojans. Probably too expensive after paying for our damn tuition.

Isn't it weird how the SEC only has 12 teams but they only have 10 unique mascots between the 12 teams. Mississippi State and Georgia are both Bulldogs. Auburn and LSU are both Tigers.

Let's see if I can get the rest of the SEC mascot...

Arkansas Razorbacks
Alabama Crimson Tide
Auburn Tigers
LSU Tigers
Ole Miss Rebels
Miss State Bulldogs
Tennessee Volunteers
Georgia Bulldogs
Florida Gators
South Carolina Gamecocks
Kentucky Wildcats --is that right?
Vanderbilt...always loses?

SEC = Best fans in the world ...and that's for damned sure.

Isn't it weird how the SEC only has 12 teams but they only have 10 unique mascots between the 12 teams. Mississippi State and Georgia are both Bulldogs. Auburn and LSU are both Tigers.

Let's see if I can get the rest of the SEC mascot...

Arkansas Razorbacks
Alabama Crimson Tide
Auburn Tigers
LSU Tigers
Ole Miss Rebels
Miss State Bulldogs
Tennessee Volunteers
Georgia Bulldogs
Florida Gators
South Carolina Gamecocks
Kentucky Wildcats --is that right?
Vanderbilt...always loses?

Kentucky Wildcats is correct. And it's the Vanderbilt Commodores.

And I'm not even a SEC fan.

the north coast athletic conference is the best

the north coast athletic conference is the best
Especially considering all the quality football programs they've got in that conference...

Especially considering all the quality football programs they've got in that conference...

You know, football isn't the only consideration....

Especially considering all the quality football programs they've got in that conference...

yes all manned by genuine student athletes, not unqualified steriod cases shoved through a parody of acedemic process to earn money for the colleges in a forlorn hope of professional riches.

Fight on man, just fight on. ;)
Down. You're so going down. :D