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Washington - Filmmaker-activist Michael Moore says his tongue-in-cheek voter registration efforts - including offering young people free underwear and soup - have been such a hit that Republicans are up in arms.

Reflecting on his campaign to register voters, which has spent weeks in Michigan, Fahrenheit 9/11 director Moore says on his website "it seems to have worked as each night the volunteer tables are swamped after" his populist offer of a three-pack of briefs for men and Ramen noodles, often a staple for struggling students, for young women.

"The state of Michigan (where we spent most of last week) reported that over 100 000 young people recently registered to vote, a record that no one saw coming," Moore claims.

That, Moore says, has led the Michigan Republican Party to call for his arrest, having "filed a criminal complaint with prosecutors in each of the counties where I spoke last week" in the midwestern US state.

Moore's smash documentary, an unflattering portrayal of US President George Bush's handling of September 11, raked in almost $120-million at US theatres.

whats the charge?

He was at UCA in Conway, Arkansas on Tuesday and he's headed west. I'd like to see what charges are being made against him. I'd also like to point out the fact that a lot of those kids are probably just registering to get the noodles. I don't think they'll all go vote.

He was at UCA in Conway, Arkansas on Tuesday and he's headed west. I'd like to see what charges are being made against him. I'd also like to point out the fact that a lot of those kids are probably just registering to get the noodles. I don't think they'll all go vote.
who gives a damn ? long as they are registered

They're repbulican pigs, since god's on their side, they don't need a reason.

whats the charge?

Good question.. the article didn't point that out, but if anyone can find out it'd be interesting to know.

They're repbulican pigs, since god's on their side, they don't need a reason.

No, really, what's with "repbulican"?

who gives a damn ? long as they are registered
The point was that Republicans don't need to be as damned uppity as they are. Besides, I thought people not voting was the problem in America...and Michael Moore is apparantly solving the problem...so...why are the republicans complaining? Just another instance of the Republicans being out of touch.

No one can deny that Moore distorts facts to get his point across. Yet now we have a report who's only source is Moore that criminal charges have been filed.
I find it very suspicious. Perhaps a link to a news source quoting a police representative saying charges were filed?

whats the charge?

Being a stupid, fat, lying sack of shit, probably! :D

Republicans for a long time have quietly opposed voter registration efforts because they tend to benefit the Democrats.

In Florida they went so far as to use registration information to arrest black democrats as escaped felons; the arrests were voided after the elections, because they had no factual basis.

No one can deny that Moore distorts facts to get his point across. Yet now we have a report who's only source is Moore that criminal charges have been filed.
I find it very suspicious. Perhaps a link to a news source quoting a police representative saying charges were filed?
That's a good point; I didn't realize that the only cited source is indeed Michael Moore. However, distortion of facts and outright lying are two different things. Moore only does one of them, and it's not the latter.

Being a stupid, fat, lying sack of shit, probably! :D
fat yes
sack of shit maybe
lying perhaps
but stupid, hell no

Being a stupid, fat, lying sack of shit, probably! :D
Yea...now that I think about it, that sounds pretty close to typical Eutrusca logic, because being a stupid, fat, lying sack of shit probably is a crime...

I wanna make a pointlessly controversial film & rake in millions in cash. Gibson & Moore did it so well

*picks up a pinch of salt*

I wanna make a pointlessly controversial film & rake in millions in cash. Gibson & Moore did it so well
Controversial? Yes.
Pointless? No.

Michael Moore has become my hero! Go Michael!!!

Being a stupid, fat, lying sack of shit, probably! :D
Fortunately, that isn't a crime in America. Otherwise, Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh would have had it tougher...

Being a stupid, fat, lying sack of shit, probably! :D to end that :sniper: is all it takes

You've all been brainwashed into thinking every idiot should have the right to vote. Do you not realize what this does to a country? The most important decision regarding a country should not only be given to those willing to go out of their way to vote, but people educated enough to make an informed decision. Some kid who wants free underwear but knows nothing about politics shouldn't be allowed to vote. That's why the election has turned into an MTV awards show, where people believe any lie brought to their tv screen, and go for the most popular, but less evil, of the two.

As for Michael Moore, I want to punch him in the face. He only feeds into this effort using half-truths and underwear to get his mindless zombie army to vote how he sees fit. No wonder the dems are going for the idiot vote - that's the only way Kerry would get elected. It's also why Bush was the repub candidate and not someone like McCain. I hope he gets caught red handed eating a baby, so they can shoot him on sight, and be done with it.

And that, my friends, is that.

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State GOP says Michael Moore illegally offered underwear in exchange for voting

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2393829&nav=0RceRgjo

(Lansing-AP, October 6, 2004, 8:00 a.m.) The Michigan Republican Party is asking four county prosecutors to file charges against filmmaker Michael Moore, charging that he illegally offered underwear, noodles and snacks to college students in exchange for their promise to vote.

"We want everyone to participate in this year's election, but not because they were bribed or coerced by the likes of Michael Moore," said Greg McNeilly, executive director of the state Republican Party.

Here's another version from www.smh.com.au, an outlet of Fairfax Digital:

"Moore's vote 'bribe' row
October 6, 2004 - 10:26AM

Snacks and underdaks ... on offer from Michael Moore.

Republicans say filmmaker Michael Moore should be prosecuted for offering underwear, potato chips and Ramen noodles to college students in exchange for their promise to vote.

The Michigan Republican Party has asked four county prosecutors to file charges against Moore, charging that his get-out-the-vote stunt amounts to bribery.

"We want everyone to participate in this year's election, but not because they were bribed or coerced by the likes of Michael Moore," said Greg McNeilly, executive director of the state Republican Party.

Moore, a Michigan native, is touring the country and imploring "slackers" who usually don't vote to head to the polls this year, saying they could make the difference in the presidential race. Moore has made stops at three Michigan universities as part of a 60-city pre-election tour.

During each program, habitual non-voters are invited on stage to pledge to vote. First-time student voters are offered gag prizes such as clean underwear.

The Republican party said Moore also offered students a clean dorm room, a year's supply of Tostitos and a package of noodles.


The party said it asked the prosecutors to charge Moore, a John Kerry supporter, with violating Michigan's election law, which prohibits a person from contracting with another for something of value in exchange for agreeing to vote.

Maria Miller, a spokeswoman for the Wayne County prosecutor's office, refused to comment on the matter. Calls to Moore and the other prosecutors weren't immediately returned today.

AP "

Looks like a serious attempt to prosecute Mike for "coercing" these poor souls with underwear and soup.

What a funny trial it would be; let him cross examine his accusers, show how little they truly care about opening up the democratic process.

whats the charge?

In Michigan, there is a law that "prohibits a person from contracting with another for something of value in exchange for agreeing to vote."

I think that's a bunch of crap, because its not like he is telling the kids to vote for a specific candidate.

I support Mr. Moore in his efforts.

You've all been brainwashed into thinking every idiot should have the right to vote. Do you not realize what this does to a country? The most important decision regarding a country should not only be given to those willing to go out of their way to vote, but people educated enough to make an informed decision. Some kid who wants free underwear but knows nothing about politics shouldn't be allowed to vote. That's why the election has turned into an MTV awards show, where people believe any lie brought to their tv screen, and go for the most popular, but less evil, of the two.

As for Michael Moore, I want to punch him in the face. He only feeds into this effort using half-truths and underwear to get his mindless zombie army to vote how he sees fit. No wonder the dems are going for the idiot vote - that's the only way Kerry would get elected. It's also why Bush was the repub candidate and not someone like McCain. I hope he gets caught red handed eating a baby, so they can shoot him on sight, and be done with it.

And that, my friends, is that.

Well really...none of us have the right to vote. But, except for certain circumstances (like not being old enough, not being a citizen, or being a convicted felon), we all have the right to pretend to vote...and then the state selected elector gets to really vote.

You've all been brainwashed into thinking every idiot should have the right to vote. Do you not realize what this does to a country? The most important decision regarding a country should not only be given to those willing to go out of their way to vote, but people educated enough to make an informed decision.

Rather than have an educated public, you'd first reccomend depriving people of their right to vote? Based on an assumption that they aren't educated? Maybe some are, maybe some aren't, but the fact that they get registered is hardly the problem.

In Michigan, there is a law that "prohibits a person from contracting with another for something of value in exchange for agreeing to vote."

I think that's a bunch of crap, because its not like he is telling the kids to vote for a specific candidate.

I support Mr. Moore in his efforts.
ramen potato chips and underwear are valuable? thsoe are what 5 bucks altogether at walmart?

For what it's worth, Moore also violated Canadian election law a few months ago.

I know one political group in Canada wanted to prosecute (which would have resulted in fines and/or no entrance into the country) but I stopped following the story.

Since there has been no real follow-up I imagine the issue was not pursued.

Come now, even Republican Pigs need to at least observe SOME kind of "good form" when calling for someone's arrest. We're not THAT facist in America---yet. Yes, I've heard of these nasty little tricks, but I also remember to discount much of what I hear second and third-hand, as it were. There's so much on the internet that's not verified and, as Dan Rather found to his hurt, running with these stories before checking them out thoroughly can be quite embarrassing. Fox News is already licking its chops greedily over this story, I'm sure, just PRAYING CNN or MSNBC will fall for it. Sure, it's entirely possible---even PROBABLE---that Republicans ARE doing just that, but let's wait and see. Why give Republicans ANOTHER sure-fire winner? Besides, NO news channel is going to touch this story now, I'm afraid. If Republican Pigs are allowed to "wallow" in their filth long enough, they might just end up covered with their OWN crap. Remember Joe McCarthy, and don't lose hope.

You've all been brainwashed into thinking every idiot should have the right to vote. Do you not realize what this does to a country? The most important decision regarding a country should not only be given to those willing to go out of their way to vote, but people educated enough to make an informed decision. Some kid who wants free underwear but knows nothing about politics shouldn't be allowed to vote. That's why the election has turned into an MTV awards show, where people believe any lie brought to their tv screen, and go for the most popular, but less evil, of the two.

As for Michael Moore, I want to punch him in the face. He only feeds into this effort using half-truths and underwear to get his mindless zombie army to vote how he sees fit. No wonder the dems are going for the idiot vote - that's the only way Kerry would get elected. It's also why Bush was the repub candidate and not someone like McCain. I hope he gets caught red handed eating a baby, so they can shoot him on sight, and be done with it.

And that, my friends, is that.

sadly you are allowed to vote, we're boned

In Michigan, there is a law that "prohibits a person from contracting with another for something of value in exchange for agreeing to vote."

I think that's a bunch of crap, because its not like he is telling the kids to vote for a specific candidate.

I support Mr. Moore in his efforts.

I think the law is a good idea, to prevent people from buying votes through any material means, but I wouldn't qualify free underwear and ramen noodles as 'coercing' or 'bribing' voters in any way. The accusation won't hold up.

Rather than have an educated public, you'd first reccomend depriving people of their right to vote? Based on an assumption that they aren't educated? Maybe some are, maybe some aren't, but the fact that they get registered is hardly the problem.

You say that as though we have an educated public. Half the Americans haven't even read Kerry's book, nonetheless understand how he really feels. But then again, Kerry doesn't either. And yes, I would rather give the vote to the people who have the mental capacity to comprehend what the candidates really stand for, not who has the most botox, or who did what 30 years ago. Once only those people are allowed the vote, we will begin getting candidates like Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln.

In Michigan, there is a law that "prohibits a person from contracting with another for something of value in exchange for agreeing to vote."

I think that's a bunch of crap, because its not like he is telling the kids to vote for a specific candidate.

I support Mr. Moore in his efforts.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Entertainment/ap20041005_1795.html

Apparently ABC news is saying that he is telling them to vote for a specific candidate.

None of the other articles seemed to mention this.

In Michigan, there is a law that "prohibits a person from contracting with another for something of value in exchange for agreeing to vote."

I think that's a bunch of crap, because its not like he is telling the kids to vote for a specific candidate.

I support Mr. Moore in his efforts.

Oh, get friggin' REAL, for God's sake! Like Michael Moore is going to attract a flood of Republican voters??? Sorry, but that damn dog just won't hunt!

I think the law is a good idea, to prevent people from buying votes through any material means, but I wouldn't qualify free underwear and ramen noodles as 'coercing' or 'bribing' voters in any way. The accusation won't hold up.
yeah, id have to agree, there should be a price on this kind of things, those are of useful value, but monetary value no. and it no guarantee that they vote, free udnerwear from a fat film maker is not exactly some great persuasion

You say that as though we have an educated public. Half the Americans haven't even read Kerry's book, nonetheless understand how he really feels. But then again, Kerry doesn't either. And yes, I would rather give the vote to the people who have the mental capacity to comprehend what the candidates really stand for, not who has the most botox, or who did what 30 years ago. Once only those people are allowed the vote, we will begin getting candidates like Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln.
you bringing up botox proves you are unelgibible under your own standards

Oh, get friggin' REAL, for God's sake! Like Michael Moore is going to attract a flood of Republican voters??? Sorry, but that damn dog just won't hunt!
thats not michael moores fault, so it is an irrelevant point

You say that as though we have an educated public. Half the Americans haven't even read Kerry's book, nonetheless understand how he really feels. But then again, Kerry doesn't either. And yes, I would rather give the vote to the people who have the mental capacity to comprehend what the candidates really stand for, not who has the most botox, or who did what 30 years ago. Once only those people are allowed the vote, we will begin getting candidates like Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln.

I think that's highly unlikely, given the apparent intelligence of most on this board and how deeply divided they all are. Besides, the "one man - one vote" approach to democracy is a well-established principle in this Country.

you bringing up botox proves you are unelgibible under your own standards

Could you explain how that makes me uneligible? I'm pointing out a media stunt by kerry, not saying it affects me. Honestly, take a look at context before you begin the flaming. Act like you know what you're talking about.

If I did the exact same thing Michael Moore is doing, the Republicans wouldn't try pressing charges on me because they wouldn't suspect me of trying to push any other candidate. Everyone knows how Moore will be voting, but guess what? It doesn't really matter...the important thing is that kids vote. A lot of college kids are liberal anyway...

Oh, get friggin' REAL, for God's sake! Like Michael Moore is going to attract a flood of Republican voters??? Sorry, but that damn dog just won't hunt!

Its no different than when kids wear those shirts with sexual innuendo on them. They're allowed in school because it can't be proven that the shirts are actually implying sexual content, and not whatever they say (such as the one with the autoshop where you can "get yer rod lubed").

Could you explain how that makes me uneligible? I'm pointing out a media stunt by kerry, not saying it affects me. Honestly, take a look at context before you begin the flaming. Act like you know what you're talking about.
your context implied you disapproved

I think that's highly unlikely, given the apparent intelligence of most on this board and how deeply divided they all are. Besides, the "one man - one vote" approach to democracy is a well-established principle in this Country.

You're right. It is a well-established principle. However, that alone doesn't warrant its continued existence. How many old traditions have been abolished in the past, and how are we better for abolishing them? Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should have a dictator, but we should create some sort of way to make sure people are educated voters. I'm merely saying the existing system is wrong, and if it continues, we will only get worse candidates.

Its no different than when kids wear those shirts with sexual innuendo on them. They're allowed in school because it can't be proven that the shirts are actually implying sexual content, and not whatever they say (such as the one with the autoshop where you can "get yer rod lubed").

LOL! Kewl.

Anyways, I can't continue this debate, I have to get to work.

You're right. It is a well-established principle. However, that alone doesn't warrant its continued existence. How many old traditions have been abolished in the past, and how are we better for abolishing them? Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should have a dictator, but we should create some sort of way to make sure people are educated voters. I'm merely saying the existing system is wrong, and if it continues, we will only get worse candidates.
agreed

a competence test wouldnt kill you, but just outright discrediting whoel groups of people is wrong

You say that as though we have an educated public. Half the Americans haven't even read Kerry's book, nonetheless understand how he really feels. But then again, Kerry doesn't either. And yes, I would rather give the vote to the people who have the mental capacity to comprehend what the candidates really stand for, not who has the most botox, or who did what 30 years ago. Once only those people are allowed the vote, we will begin getting candidates like Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln.

Just a question, but what makes you so damn sure that you'd be allowed the right to vote under your "superior" system? Do you really advocate a system that may very well decide that you yourself are unfit to vote for the president?

You say that as though we have an educated public. Half the Americans haven't even read Kerry's book, nonetheless understand how he really feels. But then again, Kerry doesn't either. And yes, I would rather give the vote to the people who have the mental capacity to comprehend what the candidates really stand for, not who has the most botox, or who did what 30 years ago. Once only those people are allowed the vote, we will begin getting candidates like Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln.

You quoted this yourself, so take note:

Based on an assumption that they aren't educated? Maybe some are, maybe some aren't

I agree that it would be best to have an educated public- which could best produce another great president. However, suggesting that Moore is wrong to register people to vote (people in general, remember) is just insanity. If so, and perhaps you are, you would have to be opposed to any kind of voter registration because ALL people in general are stupid. Unless you mean to say that you have access to some information that proves that the voters Moore registered are less intelligent than regular voters (spare me the 'Well everyone who follows Moore must be dumb LOL!!11' nonsense.)

Step one is educating them. Not taking away their rights. If that could be justified who is to be the judge of who is 'smart' enough to vote? The Republicans? The Democrats?

Judging by the cheap shots you threw in at Kerry, I am more likely to beleive that this is a lashing out against Micheal Moore, rather than a lashing out at people's right to vote. But by accident, you came out against both.

Firstly, there's a big difference between encouraging young people to vote and bribing them to vote Democrat.

Secondly, the WWE's Smack Down Your Vote used all kinds of gimicks and prizes to get people to vote. Which is what this was, a gimick.

Thirdly, soup and underwear is not a bribe...

Make no mistakes, btw, that I am all for a voting public that is as educated as humanly possible. We're on the same page there.

There are people that say alot worse things about Bush than Moore, such as several people on NS. If Moore is arrested, then that idiot Coulter should be arrested too. Yes, I am a Conservative defending Liberals because Bush isn't worth defending, he's almost done enough for me to say hell to Republicans. Thank God McCain's one. By the way, Linclon was the best President ever but thats a completely different topic.

Breaking news-- 38 mins ago...


http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/base/politics-0/1097180341160110.xml&storylist=newsmichigan

"County prosecutors in Michigan reject request to charge Michael Moore"

DETROIT (AP) — A request by Michigan Republicans that filmmaker Michael Moore be charged with violating election law has found little sympathy among county prosecutors.

...

"Alleging that a person is attempting to buy votes is a serious allegation, and one that is taken seriously by this office. However, your request to prosecute Mr. Moore trivializes the intent of this section of the election code," Koop said Thursday in a letter to Greg McNeilly, executive director of the state Republican Party.

Just a thought. Does anyone see the irony of people complaining about "just any old uneducated person" voting decrying Moore signing people up to vote at a freaking college?

Yeah, a college is where you're going to find the most uneducated people. :rolleyes:

Just a thought. Does anyone see the irony of people complaining about "just any old uneducated person" voting decrying Moore signing people up to vote at a freaking college?

Yeah, a college is where you're going to find the most uneducated people. :rolleyes:




I know, with all those majors and PhDs, I mean those are the low lifes of society, right? LoL.

I agree with very little of what Michael Moore says, and I detest him for squewing facts in 9/11. But I do feel that more young people should be voting. Many people worked hard to give 18-20 year-olds the right to vote, and they should take advantage of this oppurtunity. As long as Moore wasn't endorsing a partcular candidate/party or filling heads with false propaganda, I see nothing wrong with what he has done.

They're repbulican pigs, since god's on their side, they don't need a reason.

True. Those crazy fascists crack me up so much. I'm glad I'm all the way over in Britain where black people are allowed to vote, and freedom of speech isn't an arcane part of a frequently re-interpreted constitution.

Oh, and you spelt RepubliKKKon wrong. :D

thats not michael moores fault, so it is an irrelevant point
Wrong. All they have to do in court is prove that those items are of value, either in monetary value or usefulness, and then prove that Moore used those items to convince people to vote. If it is against the law, then regardless of whether you agree with that particular law, Moore will be charged. Also, is they can prove that Moore's actions amounted to buying a vote, then he would be facing serious consequences.

Happily, I agree mostly with Artanias. Even Thomas Jefferson didn't believe that everyone, regardless of how uninformed they are, should be able to choose who would lead our country. Think about it; when the taller candidate automatically scores extra points in the debate, our country has officially lost all credibility. It seems that most voters are more likely to vote for a candidate who is younger and better looking. Since when do such features constitute a good leader? In my opinion, Democrats are more than happy to keep letting the most ignorant people in the nation vote, simply because they know they can buy them. Also, they know they stand a better chance of winning if they pick a candidate who spends $1000 on a damn haircut. I mean, honestly, that is the kind of person you want running our country's economy? Can you see government spending coming down? $1000 haircuts? Mine cost $10.

I know, with all those majors and PhDs, I mean those are the low lifes of society, right? LoL.
Do you honestly think most fo those people keep up with politics? I doubt it. Being smart is not the same as educated. When he said educated he meant in a particular field. And I do believe all the political scientists will be voting anyways, and anyone who already is interested in politics wouldn't need to be bought.

Wrong. All they have to do in court is prove that those items are of value, either in monetary value or usefulness, and then prove that Moore used those items to convince people to vote. If it is against the law, then regardless of whether you agree with that particular law, Moore will be charged. Also, is they can prove that Moore's actions amounted to buying a vote, then he would be facing serious consequences.

Happily, I agree mostly with Artanias. Even Thomas Jefferson didn't believe that everyone, regardless of how uninformed they are, should be able to choose who would lead our country. Think about it; when the taller candidate automatically scores extra points in the debate, our country has officially lost all credibility. It seems that most voters are more likely to vote for a candidate who is younger and better looking. Since when do such features constitute a good leader? In my opinion, Democrats are more than happy to keep letting the most ignorant people in the nation vote, simply because they know they can buy them. Also, they know they stand a better chance of winning if they pick a candidate who spends $1000 on a damn haircut. I mean, honestly, that is the kind of person you want running our country's economy? Can you see government spending coming down? $1000 haircuts? Mine cost $10.
if you dotn mind, link me to where it says that buying votes is illegal i want to read that part of the law

There are people that say alot worse things about Bush than Moore, such as several people on NS. If Moore is arrested, then that idiot Coulter should be arrested too. Yes, I am a Conservative defending Liberals because Bush isn't worth defending, he's almost done enough for me to say hell to Republicans. Thank God McCain's one. By the way, Linclon was the best President ever but thats a completely different topic.
Lincoln, best President ever? How, in any possible way, could you get that?

Emancipation Proclamation- Sham, used solely to prevent England from entering the war on the Confederates side by establishing a "moral" base fot the war. Unfortunately, it only freed slaves in the CSA states, and left alone the slaves in states that remained loyal. Thus, where it could help, it wouldn't, and where it would help, it couldn't.

So much for Lincoln. He couldn't even find a decent general. And then he got shot while watching a play. Real tough guy. Reagan and Teddy Roosevelt both got shot and survived, but your "best president ever" just didn't make the grade.

Lincoln freed absolutely no slaves, and he never even intended to. He only wanted to prevent slavery from spreading. The first time he changed that was with the Emancipation Proclamation, and look how effective it was.

if you dotn mind, link me to where it says that buying votes is illegal i want to read that part of the law
Might I add, I said *if* it is against the law. I don't know. However, *if* it is then whether you like it or not he will be arrested.

Michigan Election Code which prohibits the exchange of valuable consideration for “voting or agreeing to vote, or inducing or attempting to induce another to vote, at an election.”
Found that description at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1236167/posts
If it is accurate, then it sound like Moore is guilty. I work at a law firm, and it sounds like the Michigan Law specifically prohibits trying to coerce *anyone* to vote *period* with bribes.

if you dotn mind, link me to where it says that buying votes is illegal i want to read that part of the law

It was in one of the articles. There's a law against using either money or items of material value as a way of convincing people to vote.

Found that description at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1236167/posts
If it is accurate, then it sound like Moore is guilty. I work at a law firm, and it sounds like the Michigan Law specifically prohibits trying to coerce *anyone* to vote *period* with bribes.
But registering to vote is not voting.

Wrong. All they have to do in court is prove that those items are of value, either in monetary value or usefulness, and then prove that Moore used those items to convince people to vote. If it is against the law, then regardless of whether you agree with that particular law, Moore will be charged. Also, is they can prove that Moore's actions amounted to buying a vote, then he would be facing serious consequences.

Happily, I agree mostly with Artanias. Even Thomas Jefferson didn't believe that everyone, regardless of how uninformed they are, should be able to choose who would lead our country. Think about it; when the taller candidate automatically scores extra points in the debate, our country has officially lost all credibility. It seems that most voters are more likely to vote for a candidate who is younger and better looking. Since when do such features constitute a good leader? In my opinion, Democrats are more than happy to keep letting the most ignorant people in the nation vote, simply because they know they can buy them. Also, they know they stand a better chance of winning if they pick a candidate who spends $1000 on a damn haircut. I mean, honestly, that is the kind of person you want running our country's economy? Can you see government spending coming down? $1000 haircuts? Mine cost $10.

Read Homer's Iliad.
It's all about who looks better and impresses more.

It's the right of all individuals within certain liberal perameters to vote, this is Western Democracy. If you don't like it then find another country where people aren't allowed to freely vote.

Act 116
Sec 168.931
clause 1 whatever would be thier best chance, but they would have to convince the judge that in registering people by handing out snacks he is encouraging them to vote and vote in the direction he wants them to vote, and that would require them to prove he wants them to vote a ceratin way

so even by the ludicrous chance they could get him in court it would take johnny cochran to convict him

Being a stupid, fat, lying sack of shit, probably! :D
;) I didn't know this thread was about Rush Limbaugh.

I just read this...

The republicans are sueing Moore for getting people to vote?

I just read this...

The republicans are sueing Moore for getting people to vote?
they are going to try to get him for "influecing" people to vote by handing out gifts for signing up, they will be laughed out of court if they even get there

they are going to try to get him for "influecing" people to vote by handing out gifts for signing up, they will be laughed out of court if they even get there
3 words dude:

"Only in America"

3 words dude:

"Only in America"
No shit! :rolleyes: ;)

Yeah, a college is where you're going to find the most uneducated people. :rolleyes:

Hmm. Well, perhaps "uneducated" wouldn't be the best term to use. Perhaps "inexperienced" would work better. :D

You say that as though we have an educated public. Half the Americans haven't even read Kerry's book, nonetheless understand how he really feels. But then again, Kerry doesn't either. And yes, I would rather give the vote to the people who have the mental capacity to comprehend what the candidates really stand for, not who has the most botox, or who did what 30 years ago. Once only those people are allowed the vote, we will begin getting candidates like Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln.


you bringing up botox proves you are unelgibible under your own standards



Could you explain how that makes me uneligible? I'm pointing out a media stunt by kerry, not saying it affects me. Honestly, take a look at context before you begin the flaming. Act like you know what you're talking about.

Wait! What Kerry stunt, do you have a link? I bet this Kerry botox story was always a republican claim with nothing to back it up.

All they have to do in court is prove that those items are of value, either in monetary value or usefulness, and then prove that Moore used those items to convince people to vote. If it is against the law, then regardless of whether you agree with that particular law, Moore will be charged. Also, is they can prove that Moore's actions amounted to buying a vote, then he would be facing serious consequences.


Despite what you may beleive, it DOES matter whether we agree with the law. Laws ought to be just, and rational. Do you think this would be a rational application of the law? That underwear and ramen noodles are of enough material value to 'buy votes'?? (And that's not addressing the fact that he's only registering them, not ordering them who to vote for, to begin with.) I think that the major point was how little those things are worth, and how poor people often rely on inexpensive things like cheap packs of underwear and ramen noodles.

Think about it; when the taller candidate automatically scores extra points in the debate, our country has officially lost all credibility.

I probably shouldn't even respond to these but still: you really want to argue about who won the debate? Or that only an 'uneducated' person could declare Kerry a victor? (I think that was the connection you were making.)

In my opinion, Democrats are more than happy to keep letting the most ignorant people in the nation vote, simply because they know they can buy them.

Cheap shot. Want countering examples with the ignorance of the Bush supporters? Again, referring to 'buying the vote', which Moore absolutley was not doing.

Also, they know they stand a better chance of winning if they pick a candidate who spends $1000 on a damn haircut. I mean, honestly, that is the kind of person you want running our country's economy? Can you see government spending coming down? $1000 haircuts? Mine cost $10.

Nonsense.

Republicans for a long time have quietly opposed voter registration efforts because they tend to benefit the Democrats.

In Florida they went so far as to use registration information to arrest black democrats as escaped felons; the arrests were voided after the elections, because they had no factual basis.
Source please.

Not that I don't believe you, but I want you to make Republicans look bad.

Hmm. Well, perhaps "uneducated" wouldn't be the best term to use. Perhaps "inexperienced" would work better. :D
Inexperienced voters shouldn't vote? I think you'll find that we'd quickly run out of voters that way..

Being a stupid, fat, lying sack of shit, probably! :DHa, hahahahaha

Oh, my sides.

Myself I think its rather tasteless to make a political point of someone's appearance. Especially when Republicans are so sinfully fucking ugly

By the way, Linclon was the best President ever but thats a completely different topic.
Watch out if you say that! Roach-Busters will, no doubt, come along to plug his book about how evil Abe Lincoln was.

whats the charge?

I've heard the story too. The charges are bribing/buying votes. By offering people things in exchange for them voting against Bush. Which, hahaha!!!, is illegal.
Has nothing to do with the Republicans not liking him, it has to do with the fact that Moore has committed a federal crime.

Hahahaha!!!! Finally the coming of the downfall of Michael Moore!!! Burn fatman burn!!!!

I've heard the story too. The charges are bribing/buying votes. By offering people things in exchange for them voting against Bush. Which, hahaha!!!, is illegal.
Has nothing to do with the Republicans not liking him, it has to do with the fact that Moore has committed a federal crime.
He's encouraging people to fucking register. He's not encouraging people to vote against Bush. Jesus christ. Why isn't the GOP pressing charges against P Diddy for his "Vote or Die" shirts? It's because the GOP doesn't like Michael Moore.

EDIT: Rather...in this instance we're discussing, he's encouraging people to register. In other instances, like his film, he is presenting his bias to show his side of the story in order to garner people to vote for Kerry.

Hahahaha!!!! Finally the coming of the downfall of Michael Moore!!! Burn fatman burn!!!!
If he's gonna burn over this, then I'm the love child of Santa, the pope and the easter bunny.

whats the charge?

The Kerry administration cn do better with aresting Bush, Cheney,Pearl, Rummy and some other white collar (but real killers) gangsters after the election. I am sure it would be easy to charge them with ""the planning of an "attack war" against other countries"" That is what was the main accusation at Nürnberg.( together with warcrimes and crimes against humanity).

Those Republican criminals are as guilty if we use the same standards for a international tribunal. Even an 8 year old will find evidence.

Happily, I agree mostly with Artanias. Even Thomas Jefferson didn't believe that everyone, regardless of how uninformed they are, should be able to choose who would lead our country.

In my opinion, Democrats are more than happy to keep letting the most ignorant people in the nation vote, simply because they know they can buy them.
Voters will be idiots if the lying propagandist parties treat them like idiots - and that's what the Democrats and Republicans do.

Oh come on, we both know that there are plenty of stupid, ignorant Republicans too.

Oh, get friggin' REAL, for God's sake! Like Michael Moore is going to attract a flood of Republican voters??? Sorry, but that damn dog just won't hunt!
Yeah, cos when Republicans are getting out the vote, they ususally go to non biased areas and its a genuine, non-partisan political involvement thing :rolleyes:

I've heard the story too. The charges are bribing/buying votes. By offering people things in exchange for them voting against Bush. Which, hahaha!!!, is illegal.
Has nothing to do with the Republicans not liking him, it has to do with the fact that Moore has committed a federal crime.
Every media that is not biased isn't saying that. He offered them to register for stuff. Bot vote one way or another. If they choose to vote his way that would be cool too. But you can just get the stuff and vote the other way.
No promise to vote for a democrat.

Only republicans have loyalty oaths (Bush has them at his rallys)

Legless Pirates:
If he's gonna burn over this, then I'm the love child of Santa, the pope and the easter bunny.
Wow, you got a strange family.

If I did the exact same thing Michael Moore is doing, the Republicans wouldn't try pressing charges on me because they wouldn't suspect me of trying to push any other candidate. Everyone knows how Moore will be voting, but guess what? It doesn't really matter...the important thing is that kids vote. A lot of college kids are liberal anyway...
Its sad but true, apathetic voters are more likely by several orders of magnitude to be liberal, or to vote democrat when they are pushed to vote.

Legless Pirates:
Wow, you got a strange family.
I know, but I get great gifts for my birthday :D

Just a thought. Does anyone see the irony of people complaining about "just any old uneducated person" voting decrying Moore signing people up to vote at a freaking college?

Yeah, a college is where you're going to find the most uneducated people. :rolleyes:
LOL!!!

Its sad but true, apathetic voters are more likely by several orders of magnitude to be liberal, or to vote democrat when they are pushed to vote.
Uh...I said college voters are mostly liberal. I don't see exactly how apathetic voters can be legitimately and directly tied to college voters.

Uh...I said college voters are mostly liberal. I don't see exactly how apathetic voters can be legitimately and directly tied to college voters.
Well, the current crop of 18-25 year olds is the most apathetic in history. In 1970, over half of that age group voted. In recent years its more like 25%. College students are only slightly more likely to vote than non-college students of the same age group.

(Edit: sorry, looking back, I do realise that there was a missing link in my logic.)

In my opinion, Democrats are more than happy to keep letting the most ignorant people in the nation vote, simply because they know they can buy them.
Hades, in America, people over the age of 18 are all allowed to vote, unless they've had their voting rights removed as part of punishment for a crime. The Democrats aren't "allowing" the "ignorant" people to vote, the constitution does.

I've heard the story too. The charges are bribing/buying votes. By offering people things in exchange for them voting against Bush. Which, hahaha!!!, is illegal.
Has nothing to do with the Republicans not liking him, it has to do with the fact that Moore has committed a federal crime.
no he hasnt, i just cited the law under which they can TRY to convict him, johnny cochran couldnt win it for them

Hades, in America, people over the age of 18 are all allowed to vote, unless they've had their voting rights removed as part of punishment for a crime. The Democrats aren't "allowing" the "ignorant" people to vote, the constitution does.
Everyone knows the Constitution is biased toward the left! :)

Those Forefathers are ruining this country!

no he hasnt, i just cited the law under which they can TRY to convict him, johnny cochran couldnt win it for them

He cannot offer people things in return for votes.

Everyone knows the Constoitution is biased toward the left! :)

Those Forefathers are ruining this country!

Back then the Right and Left were not as they are today. They are different. Republicans actually used to be liberal!!! :eek:

Also the Republicans and Democrats did not exist when the nation was founded. There were Federalists and Anti-Federalist, and then the Whigs. Then the Democrats, and then the Republicans.

He cannot offer people things in return for votes.
please refer back to page 4 or 5 when i referred to the specific law and outlined why they will be laughed out of court

He cannot offer people things in return for votes.
Yeah, those are laws put in place to stop serious, actual vote buying exercises. This was a publicity stunt.

The point was that Republicans don't need to be as damned uppity as they are. Besides, I thought people not voting was the problem in America...and Michael Moore is apparantly solving the problem...so...why are the republicans complaining? .

Because they are cowards and affraid that those young students (I read in the article that a lot are students or just young and made poor under the regime) will of course vote for what is good for them and the US. Wich is in this case, for those people, the opposite of the Republican program that would make them even more poor and the rich more rich (again).

Well, the current crop of 18-25 year olds is the most apathetic in history. In 1970, over half of that age group voted. In recent years its more like 25%. College students are only slightly more likely to vote than non-college students of the same age group.

(Edit: sorry, looking back, I do realise that there was a missing link in my logic.)
Well...not voting is being apathetic toward politics. Not caring who you vote for, or voting as if your vote doesn't matter is apathetic voting. I would argue that most people who vote care about how they vote.

Also, 18-25 != College student.

Because they are cowards and affraid that those young students (I read in the article that a lot are students or just young and made poor under the regime) will of course vote for what is good for them and the US. Wich is in this case, for those people, the opposite of the Republican program that would make them even more poor and the rich more rich (again).
Who would make the rich more rich and the poor more poor? The Republicans? Your post isn't very clear, sorry.

--but yea, it doesn't speak very highly of the Republicans when they say "NO! We can't let more people vote or else we'll lose."

He cannot offer people things in return for votes.
Which is why he's not offering people things in return for votes.

Who would make the rich more rich and the poor more poor? The Republicans? "

I don't know what you were drinking or smoking Opall, but when people speak about this, the general understanding and facts point out the Republican party. ;)

I don't know what you were drinking or smoking Opall, but when people speak about this, the general understanding and facts point out the Republican party. ;)
I was just trying to clarify because I've seen people make some pretty weird and outright incorrect political attacks.

I was just trying to clarify because I've seen people make some pretty weird and outright incorrect political attacks.

Yeah but those are fascists or extreme Republicans, not the decent part of the people on NS, isn't it :)

Half the Americans haven't even read Kerry's book.....


Ironically nor has Kerry.

Due to the Patriot Act (ironic name actually) Moore can probably be arrested for anything. Just need to claim that he's a terrorist and bang off to Guantanamo Bay he goes.

http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/parodies/michael_moores_next_gig.jpgWhat a dumb cow. Anyone who belives his crap is pathetic.

For what it's worth, Moore also violated Canadian election law a few months ago.

I know one political group in Canada wanted to prosecute (which would have resulted in fines and/or no entrance into the country) but I stopped following the story.

Since there has been no real follow-up I imagine the issue was not pursued.
For the record, the issue was not pursued. As well it shouldn't have.

Moore was in Canada promoting F9/11 when he was asked about the current election in Canada. He said that we shouldn't trust (Conservative Party Leader) Stephen Harper because he saw him as the same kind as Bush.

Some conservative people concluded he transgressed the law that no outsider should interfere with the election process. The man was asked his opinion and he said it. It was dismissed as inconsequential.

What do you guys have against Moore? Just because he critisizes the current American political situation he is an ass and a liar?

http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/parodies/michael_moores_next_gig.jpgWhat a dumb cow. Anyone who belives his crap is pathetic.

Are your political biases influencing your opinion? :p

What do you guys have against Moore? Just because he critisizes the current American political situation he is an ass and a liar?
No, becuase he is an Ass and a Liar, he is an Ass and a Liar. Pretty simple to understand, even for someone who belives him.

No, becuase he is an Ass and a Liar, he is an Ass and a Liar. Pretty simple to understand, even for someone who belives him.
Except that he's NOT an ass and a liar, but YOU think he is an ass and a liar

Except that he's NOT an ass and a liar, but YOU think he is an ass and a liar
No he is an Ass and a Liar. BAAAAA, buddy, BAAAAA!

ramen potato chips and underwear are valuable? thsoe are what 5 bucks altogether at walmart?

Been a college student? I once submitted to 15 minutes of electro shock therepy for $15.
During finals, jobs at the bookstore paid minimum wage, jobs to handle students selling their used books back. People would *fight* a place in line for $4.85/hr...

Free chips and underwear are VALUABLE.

No he is an Ass and a Liar. BAAAAA, buddy, BAAAAA!
Ooh, sorry. I didn't notice you were smallminded. Sorry. I'll talk to someone else.

Ooh, sorry. I didn't notice you were smallminded. Sorry. I'll talk to someone else.
Hey, you do that, sheep. Don't let the door knob treat you like your last boyfriend on the way out.

What do you guys have against Moore? Just because he critisizes the current American political situation he is an ass and a liar?

Is that he made the most one sided "documentary" since "Birth of a Nation".
I wouldn't care *what* President he made it about, it is trash media, just like Limbaugh, Coulter, Franken, et al.

(Read: I hate pundits!!)

Hey, you do that, sheep. Don't let the door knob treat you like your last boyfriend on the way out.
So Bush is the sincerest person in the world huh?

Been a college student? I once submitted to 15 minutes of electro shock therepy for $15.
During finals, jobs at the bookstore paid minimum wage, jobs to handle students selling their used books back. People would *fight* a place in line for $4.85/hr...

Free chips and underwear are VALUABLE.

Just curious, why did you submit to electroshock? other than the money I mean. What was the study about? I didn't even think they did that anymore.

Its sounds awful.

Just curious, why did you submit to electroshock? other than the money I mean. What was the study about? I didn't even think they did that anymore.

Its sounds awful.

I was a broke college student... and Spring Weekend was just a few days away.
It was for a study in the Psych department. The shocks smarted quite a bit, but it wasn't done with malice.

It just sounds wrong, if you know what I mean. Those headshrinkers should be ashamed of themselves, electrocuting people out of curiosity. Especially as they were taking advantage of broke students. Its a pity you can't sue them or something. Its like Nazi germany.

Really if they wanted to do that they should have just done it to each other. I hope someone reported them for lack of medical ethics. What next, burning people with magnifying glasses?

Moore shouldn't be arrested. He broke no law, so far as I know. It's his constitutional right to be an asshole.

Since i don't think anyone's actually mentined it and it is the gist of the complaint... Michigan election law reads:


MCL 168.931

(1)(a) A person shall not, either directly or indirectly, give, lend, or promise valuable consideration, to or for any person, as an inducement to influence the manner of voting by a person relative to a candidate or ballot question, or as a reward for refraining from voting.

(4) As used in this section, “valuable consideration” includes, but is not limited to, money, property, a gift, a prize or chance for a prize, a fee, a loan, an office, a position, an appointment, or employment.


SOURCE (http://www.michiganlegislature.org/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-chap168.pdf) (Pages 280-281, if you're interested)

Technically, did he break the law? Yes. Is this anything other than a charge for cheap publicity, retribution, and character defamation? No. Does he deserve it? Well, let's see if he can take it as well as he dishes it.

Since i don't think anyone's actually mentined it and it is the gist of the complaint... Michigan election law reads:



SOURCE (http://www.michiganlegislature.org/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-chap168.pdf) (Pages 280-281, if you're interested)

Technically, did he break the law? Yes. Is this anything other than a charge for cheap publicity, retribution, and character defamation? No. Does he deserve it? Well, let's see if he can take it as well as he dishes it.
i cited it on like page 4 or 5 and explained why they better get johnny cochran or pay off the judge

it would be hard to prove he broke the law, they would have to prove his handing out gifts to get people t register to vote is the same as bribing them to vote a certain way, and they would have to definately prove he wanted them to vote a certain way

Moore shouldn't be arrested. He broke no law, so far as I know. It's his constitutional right to be an asshole.

Lol, obviously this was not meant to be taken seriously (thank God no one did). Moore might be my political opposite, but he's not a bad guy. He's just a complete loony (like me :p).

i cited it on like page 4 or 5 and explained why they better get johnny cochran or pay off the judge

it would be hard to prove he broke the law, they would have to prove his handing out gifts to get people t register to vote is the same as bribing them to vote a certain way, and they would have to definately prove he wanted them to vote a certain way

Sorry, if i double posted... must've just missed it.

The definition of "valuable consideration" (Section 4) seems pretty cut and dry to me. It was property, that can't be denied. The property further has some value, for it cannot ordinarilly be attained for free.

As to encouraging them to vote one way...

I then close by having them repeat the 2004 Slacker Oath: "Pick nose! Pick butt! Pick Kerry."

SOURCE (http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php)

I'd say he is in violation, plain and simple. It wouldn't matter if judge wapner was hearing the case... the elements have been met. 1.) A person has given something of value 2. to induce or influence the manner of voting.

Will it be proscuted? Doubtful. It's only a misdemeanor, and like most celebrities, even if convicted, he'd get a slap on the wrists.

You've all been brainwashed into thinking every idiot should have the right to vote. Do you not realize what this does to a country? The most important decision regarding a country should not only be given to those willing to go out of their way to vote, but people educated enough to make an informed decision. Some kid who wants free underwear but knows nothing about politics shouldn't be allowed to vote. That's why the election has turned into an MTV awards show, where people believe any lie brought to their tv screen, and go for the most popular, but less evil, of the two.

As for Michael Moore, I want to punch him in the face. He only feeds into this effort using half-truths and underwear to get his mindless zombie army to vote how he sees fit. No wonder the dems are going for the idiot vote - that's the only way Kerry would get elected. It's also why Bush was the repub candidate and not someone like McCain. I hope he gets caught red handed eating a baby, so they can shoot him on sight, and be done with it.

And that, my friends, is that.

Based on what you have said;

I take it you're not voting then?
Those who are informed and do vote will vote for the less popular but more evil one.
MTV, Michael Moore and the DNC stratigists are behind Bush getting the nod over McCain.
You hope Bush gets caught red handed eating a baby and gets shot on sight.

.Quote:

State GOP says Michael Moore illegally offered underwear in exchange for voting

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story....29&nav=0RceRgjo

(Lansing-AP, October 6, 2004, 8:00 a.m.) The Michigan Republican Party is asking four county prosecutors to file charges against filmmaker Michael Moore, charging that he illegally offered underwear, noodles and snacks to college students in exchange for their promise to vote.

"We want everyone to participate in this year's election, but not because they were bribed or coerced by the likes of Michael Moore," said Greg McNeilly, executive director of the state Republican Party.
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An enticement to vote is not the same as buying a vote for a candidate. While we know Moore is against Bush it doesn't mean they will in fact vote or vore against Bush.

Sorry, if i double posted... must've just missed it.

The definition of "valuable consideration" (Section 4) seems pretty cut and dry to me. It was property, that can't be denied. The property further has some value, for it cannot ordinarilly be attained for free.

As to encouraging them to vote one way...

SOURCE (http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php)

I'd say he is in violation, plain and simple. It wouldn't matter if judge wapner was hearing the case... the elements have been met. 1.) A person has given something of value 2. to induce or influence the manner of voting.

Will it be proscuted? Doubtful. It's only a misdemeanor, and like most celebrities, even if convicted, he'd get a slap on the wrists.
you have NOT proven he is influencing the MANNER of voting by giving incentives to people REGISTERING to vote

You say that as though we have an educated public. Half the Americans haven't even read Kerry's book, nonetheless understand how he really feels. But then again, Kerry doesn't either. And yes, I would rather give the vote to the people who have the mental capacity to comprehend what the candidates really stand for, not who has the most botox, or who did what 30 years ago. Once only those people are allowed the vote, we will begin getting candidates like Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln.
Hmmm... At what level of education do you feel a person is qualified to vote? Should we repeal the voting rights acts that were used to keep blacks out of the polls in the Good Ole' Jim Crow days? What you are saying is racist and elitist. Beatches like you need a good whacking. . . . . . :sniper:

Oh, get friggin' REAL, for God's sake! Like Michael Moore is going to attract a flood of Republican voters??? Sorry, but that damn dog just won't hunt!
So, you mean to tell me Republicans don't do voter registration drives with crowds they attract?:rolleyes:

If Moore attracted the crowds, they are already predisposed against Bush. So if he encourages them to express that is a concrete way and jokingly gives away Ramen noodles (at 5 for a dollar) or clean drawers ( at 3 for 5 dollars) he is buying them? Your dawg can't walk let alone hunt. :p

This may have been said, I read through but got internet reading-itis and may have skipped it:

I think that it is possible that Moore broke a law in the way it was worded and I think it's even possible he knew. I also think that he would more than welcome the republican party pressing those charges-and while some party reactionaries might make (have made) some noise, the party as a whole (no matter what I think of them) isn't stupid enough to take this bait. There is a reason why Moore would put this accusation on his website. If they do, it makes them look like they are somehow not interested in people voting-it's a way to make them look bad and I don't think they are going to fall for it. It is spectical(sp) and pretty naked. Actually, by reacting to it know republicans(on this board) are playing into his hands. Good job guys.

Has Cheney spoken in Michigan? Because if he has, he should be in jail there too, for not only "contracting a person with something of value in exchange for a promise to vote" (seeing him speak could be construed as something of value), but for doing it for a promise to vote for a specific cantidate.

Just curious, why did you submit to electroshock? other than the money I mean. What was the study about? I didn't even think they did that anymore.

Its sounds awful.

This is just continuing an off-topicness, but I have to reply to this...

Electroconvulsive therapy (this being its real name) is a wholly legitimate treatment for certain medical disorders. It's gotten a really bad name (Mainly due to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest), to the point that people (as you illustrated) don't even realize it's still being done. But the fact is that ECT is a life-saving treatment, the only real, effective option for several disorders.

And just sos you know, I know all this because my mom is a psychiatrist. She did ECT about twice a week for a few years; I know whereof I speak.

Anyway... we now return to your regularly scheduled topic :P

Has Cheney spoken in Michigan? Because if he has, he should be in jail there too, for not only "contracting a person with something of value in exchange for a promise to vote" (seeing him speak could be construed as something of value), but for doing it for a promise to vote for a specific cantidate.

Cheney (specifically) isn't giving away free stuff. A party or society can give away things at its own discression (bumper stickers, pins, etc), but not an actual speaker.

It just sounds wrong, if you know what I mean. Those headshrinkers should be ashamed of themselves, electrocuting people out of curiosity. Especially as they were taking advantage of broke students. Its a pity you can't sue them or something. Its like Nazi germany.

Really if they wanted to do that they should have just done it to each other. I hope someone reported them for lack of medical ethics. What next, burning people with magnifying glasses?

Nope. It was completely voluntary, and they paid me a fair price. I have no malice about it, as I did it by choice.

There was no bad ethics! At any time, I could choose to leave.

I think that's a bunch of crap, because its not like he is telling the kids to vote for a specific candidate.

You obviously don't know Michael Moore. He's probably giving them his dirty, used underwear and a year's supply of STALE Tostitos if they say they're voting for Bush. The free clean dorm room is for Kerry voters only. Michael Moore is the biggest BS propogandist since Alanysist. Just watch...if Kerry gets elected, Moore will just make a propogandist film about him, too, if Kerry does something that annoys him.

You obviously don't know Michael Moore. He's probably giving them his dirty, used underwear and a year's supply of STALE Tostitos if they say they're voting for Bush. The free clean dorm room is for Kerry voters only. Michael Moore is the biggest BS propogandist since Alanysist. Just watch...if Kerry gets elected, Moore will just make a propogandist film about him, too, if Kerry does something that annoys him.

And Ann Coulter PROBEBLY eats liberal babies for breakfast, but beats their family to death with a stick then makes it all look like some kind of elaborate suicide.


Don't you love how personal feelings and assumptions are so much more fun then actual facts?

Michael moore is a baby raper.

http://www.dixiedrifter.com/boycott/michael-moore.jpg

Thank your nearest soldier.

http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/tmdsu/2003/tmdsu030324.gif

I just read this...

The republicans are sueing Moore for getting people to vote?

Yes, they want only Dieboldt to be able to vote.

Michael moore is a baby raper.

http://www.dixiedrifter.com/boycott/michael-moore.jpg

Thank your nearest soldier.

http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/tmdsu/2003/tmdsu030324.gif

ok a few fucking things you, as an idiot american, need to get a grip of.

One - getting people to vote is not the same as telling them to vote for someone
two - if george bush had employed the same tactic would you have responded the same way?
three - if Michael Moore had lied in his latest film do you not think he would have been sued or restricted in some way. Fact is he went over the whole film with a bunch of lawyers and a fine tooth comb. the facts in the film are watertight. the opinions offered are his own, and he freely admts that both in the film and on his website

he is getting young people to take part in the democratic process, just like the men who wrote your constitution wanted. Same as countless other websites across your alledgedly great country are doing. how is this a bad thing? If you believe in the democratic process then the more people that vote the better. But if you want an autocratic society. just remember. you might not always be at the top of the pile.

how stupid do you have to be not to open your eyes and ears to the world around you, not just what mummy and daddy have always told you.

ok a few fucking things you, as an idiot american, need to get a grip of.

One - getting people to vote is not the same as telling them to vote for someone
two - if george bush had employed the same tactic would you have responded the same way?
three - if Michael Moore had lied in his latest film do you not think he would have been sued or restricted in some way. Fact is he went over the whole film with a bunch of lawyers and a fine tooth comb. the facts in the film are watertight. the opinions offered are his own, and he freely admts that both in the film and on his website

he is getting young people to take part in the democratic process, just like the men who wrote your constitution wanted. Same as countless other websites across your alledgedly great country are doing. how is this a bad thing? If you believe in the democratic process then the more people that vote the better. But if you want an autocratic society. just remember. you might not always be at the top of the pile.

how stupid do you have to be not to open your eyes and ears to the world around you, not just what mummy and daddy have always told you.
Now, that is no way to talk to your better, child. Spout all the lies you want, doesn't make Moore any less of a liar and an asshat, KoolAid boy.

Inexperienced voters shouldn't vote? I think you'll find that we'd quickly run out of voters that way..

Only the dead should be allowed to vote. They're the most experienced after all.

Now, that is no way to talk to your better, child. Spout all the lies you want, doesn't make Moore any less of a liar and an asshat, KoolAid boy.

firstly you are in no way my better. no one is. especially when they do not earn my respect by being condesceding and patronising. secondly everything i have said is the truth, and thirdly I am not a boy. so screwed on all points really aren't you?

firstly you are in no way my better. no one is. especially when they do not earn my respect by being condesceding and patronising. secondly everything i have said is the truth, and thirdly I am not a boy. so screwed on all points really aren't you?
1. I am your better, accept it.
2. Lies are not truth, get that thru your tiny mind.
3. Whatever your are, you are a lightwieght nonentity. Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time.

1. I am your better, accept it.
2. Lies are not truth, get that thru your tiny mind.
3. Whatever your are, you are a lightwieght nonentity. Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time.

what evidence do you have that you are my better when your beloved constitution states that everyone is equal???
how can Michael Moore release a film full of lies about your government without any lawsuit?
i don't give a shit what label you give me. i'm not going to go away. because i am right. my knowledge that i am right is based on fact. not name calling, imagined superiority and a blatant failure to access the reality of what happens in the media and the world in general. and you know what? you know i'm right but you're to proud and too small minded to be able to come out and say 'ok guys i got it wrong'. sad really. good thing the ballot is secret eh? no one will ever know your dark secret.

you can taunt me as many times as you like. I don't care. i want coherant answers to my questions.

ps lies are not truth - nice phrase, i take it you've read 1984. seems to be required reading around here?

Being a stupid, fat, lying sack of shit, probably! :D
If you want some truth, watch Fahrenheit 911. It is out on DVD now. Watch your President Bush in action or should I say inaction? :eek:

If you want some truth, watch Fahrenheit 911. It is out on DVD now. Watch your President Bush in action or should I say inaction? :eek:

What a great way to get your news.

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

What a great way to get your news.

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
Well I have seen the film and I have visited that BS web site. Moore wins hands down against BS.

I will definitely be adding Fahrenheit 911 to my library. :D

what evidence do you have that you are my better when your beloved constitution states that everyone is equal???
how can Michael Moore release a film full of lies about your government without any lawsuit?
i don't give a shit what label you give me. i'm not going to go away. because i am right. my knowledge that i am right is based on fact. not name calling, imagined superiority and a blatant failure to access the reality of what happens in the media and the world in general. and you know what? you know i'm right but you're to proud and too small minded to be able to come out and say 'ok guys i got it wrong'. sad really. good thing the ballot is secret eh? no one will ever know your dark secret.

you can taunt me as many times as you like. I don't care. i want coherant answers to my questions.

ps lies are not truth - nice phrase, i take it you've read 1984. seems to be required reading around here?

Mistake 1) Asking him for actual coherant answeres
Mistake 2) Asking him to be polite
Mistake 3) Actually speaking to him in the first place :p

Well I have seen the film and I have visited that BS web site. Moore wins hands down against BS.

I will definitely be adding Fahrenheit 911 to my library. :D

What exactly are you refuting?

In Michigan, there is a law that "prohibits a person from contracting with another for something of value in exchange for agreeing to vote."

I think that's a bunch of crap, because its not like he is telling the kids to vote for a specific candidate.

I support Mr. Moore in his efforts.


You know what?

Im from Michigan.

Its also against the law to sell liquor to an American Indian.

You know what?

Im from Michigan.

Its also against the law to sell liquor to an American Indian.


No it's not. Liar.

well someone at least try to contradict me.

What exactly are you refuting?
Clearly refuting the lies in that web site that you posted. Or should I tone it down so as not to offend you and call them embellishments?

It is ILLEGAL to offer ANYTHING for the promise of a vote. Here in california a local sub shop was going to give away frre sodas to people who brought in their ballot stubs AFTER voting, they were forced to stop and fined.

but i suppose since Moore is a democrat it is ok for him to break the law.

give me a break, the law is the law

Clearly refuting the lies in that web site that you posted.

Such as?

You've all been brainwashed into thinking every idiot should have the right to vote. Do you not realize what this does to a country? The most important decision regarding a country should not only be given to those willing to go out of their way to vote, but people educated enough to make an informed decision. Some kid who wants free underwear but knows nothing about politics shouldn't be allowed to vote. That's why the election has turned into an MTV awards show, where people believe any lie brought to their tv screen, and go for the most popular, but less evil, of the two.

As for Michael Moore, I want to punch him in the face. He only feeds into this effort using half-truths and underwear to get his mindless zombie army to vote how he sees fit. No wonder the dems are going for the idiot vote - that's the only way Kerry would get elected. It's also why Bush was the repub candidate and not someone like McCain. I hope he gets caught red handed eating a baby, so they can shoot him on sight, and be done with it.

And that, my friends, is that.
Haven't ya heard? Most of the baby-eating is on Cheney's part! Even a lot of Repubs say it!
And btw, get off your "horse" *shakes his arm* and give up the electoral college-mindset. Or get the hell out of the U.S.

You know what?

Im from Michigan.

Its also against the law to sell liquor to an American Indian.


How can people get away with this shit?

IT IS NOT AGAINST THE LAW TO SERVE AN "AMERICAN INDIAN" -I assume that you mean the indigenous people - LIQOUR IN MICHIGAN.

How can people put up with this.

There are people that say alot worse things about Bush than Moore, such as several people on NS. If Moore is arrested, then that idiot Coulter should be arrested too. Yes, I am a Conservative defending Liberals because Bush isn't worth defending, he's almost done enough for me to say hell to Republicans. Thank God McCain's one. By the way, Linclon was the best President ever but thats a completely different topic.
I commend you (for what it's worth) for seeing through much of the bs and stating an intelligent comment, having obviously weighed the difference between party rhetoric/motivations and sense.

The Kerry administration cn do better with aresting Bush, Cheney,Pearl, Rummy and some other white collar (but real killers) gangsters after the election. I am sure it would be easy to charge them with ""the planning of an "attack war" against other countries"" That is what was the main accusation at Nürnberg.( together with warcrimes and crimes against humanity).

Those Republican criminals are as guilty if we use the same standards for a international tribunal. Even an 8 year old will find evidence.
Small wonder Bush doesn't want involvement in an international criminal court. I heard a few folks wouldn't mind him on the seated and silent side of the table.

Hey, you do that, sheep. Don't let the door knob treat you like your last boyfriend on the way out.
Doorknob, eh? Lots of em in a digital medium.
Clever as always. At least your moniker isn't very misleading.

It's an elaborate joke. The noodles are pre-digested cr*p, and the underwear is full of cr*p.

Think of it as a metaphor for the prez candidates :)

Michael Moore is an anarchist.

Has Cheney spoken in Michigan? Because if he has, he should be in jail there too, for not only "contracting a person with something of value in exchange for a promise to vote" (seeing him speak could be construed as something of value), but for doing it for a promise to vote for a specific cantidate.
....touche`.....

Michael moore is a baby raper.

http://www.dixiedrifter.com/boycott/michael-moore.jpg

Thank your nearest soldier.

http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/tmdsu/2003/tmdsu030324.gif
Thank MunkeBrain with a bag of doorknobs.
Or, just one, if you do it just right, kinda like he inferred earlier ...

Mistake 1) Asking him for actual coherant answeres
Mistake 2) Asking him to be polite
Mistake 3) Actually speaking to him in the first place :p

could be right there. clearly he's not able to think of a reasonned and structured response so he's just given up

If micheal moore is arrested for that, i want the republicans held acountable for the ongoing electoral fiasco in florida, in fact i want them held acountable for that anyway.

Such as?
Well I am not prepared to go back to the dung heap to go over the bogus refutation of Fahrenheit 911.

However, if you would like some FACTS about the film, be my guest and explore the following site:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/

He has laid it out in such a manner that it is easy to follow along. :D

Enjoy!!

If you want some truth, watch Fahrenheit 911. It is out on DVD now. Watch your President Bush in action or should I say inaction? :eek:

Equating F911 to reality is like calling Taco Bell mexican food...
There are some similarities, but on the whole, it's a cheap knockoff in a flashy wrapper.

It is ILLEGAL to offer ANYTHING for the promise of a vote. Here in california a local sub shop was going to give away frre sodas to people who brought in their ballot stubs AFTER voting, they were forced to stop and fined.

but i suppose since Moore is a democrat it is ok for him to break the law.

give me a break, the law is the law
in michigan law its illegal to offer incentives to INFLUENCE the vote, there is this great game in TCGs and law, its called symantecs. they have to prove that offering incentives upon registration of a vote specifically influences the way which they will vote. and to do that they have to prove that moore was doing this in order to influence a certain amount of voting. gl there because they were only registering to vote, not being prepared to vote.

If micheal moore is arrested for that, i want the republicans held acountable for the ongoing electoral fiasco in florida, in fact i want them held acountable for that anyway.

Then I want the Democrats to pay for that mess they made in '68 in Chicago. Fascists. And let's electrocute that murderer, Ted Kennedy. (Please note that I am being sarcastic.)

Dude, it's *over*. Let it *go*.
Otherwise, I'm keen to charge you bastards in England with allowing slavery in your colonies. (More sarcasm.)

The 2000 election in Florida was the closest thing to a tie in modern memory.
Want Bush out of office? Fine. Let's wait for the vote. :)

We could argue this as a side topic for *days* and not get anywhere.

The point is, though, that you CANNOT go along in life equating one bad for another. It doesn't get anyone anywhere. Further, carping over things that are past and gone is stupid and you'll get what exists in the Balkans or the Middle East: insoluable problems spanning decades.

I heard about this from Mr. Moore himself. I'm on his email list. Repeblicans have hit a new low. Karl Rove is the one who should be in jail. Even neutral voters that know a lot about politics (ie. they majored in political science or something similar, or just know a really lot more than the average person) will tell you that he his a crimnal in the truest sense of the word.

Then I want the Democrats to pay for that mess they made in '68 in Chicago. Fascists. And let's electrocute that murderer, Ted Kennedy. (Please note that I am being sarcastic.)

Dude, it's *over*. Let it *go*.
Yeah, we should forget about chasing that guy, Osama or whatever. And let Slobodan off to, after all, its *over*. Lets forget all the white-collar crime going on, we
can just write it off. Why not, its already been done.

Some people want people to be held accountable for their crimes and their actions.

Well I am not prepared to go back to the dung heap to go over the bogus refutation of Fahrenheit 911.

However, if you would like some FACTS about the film, be my guest and explore the following site:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/

He has laid it out in such a manner that it is easy to follow along. :D

Enjoy!!


Ok. I'll just go over the first one I noticed.

Moore's claim: "On the day George W. Bush was inaugurated, tens of thousands of Americans poured into the streets of D.C. They pelted Bush’s limo with eggs."

BBC: One egg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1127937.stm

Try to think for yourself

Ok. I'll just go over the first one I noticed.

Moore's claim: "On the day George W. Bush was inaugurated, tens of thousands of Americans poured into the streets of D.C. They pelted Bush’s limo with eggs."

BBC: One egg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1127937.stm

Try to think for yourself
I do think for myself, thank you very much, and perhaps if you shift the paradigm a little, you might notice the really important points?

You would start a discussion over the number of eggs that were thrown at the Bush motorcade but you would miss the fact that "tens of thousands" were protesting the "election?" of George W. Bush. That caught my eye more than any egg(s) that were thrown.

At least I know eggsactly what your problem is now. :D

From the Associated Press, by way of the Daily Northwestern:

Republicans say filmmaker Michael Moore should be prosecuted for offering underwear, potato chips and Ramen noodles to college students in exchange for their promise to vote for John Kerry.

You can argue about how effective it is, or how serious Moore is about it, but it's vote-buying by definition.

From the Associated Press, by way of the Daily Northwestern:



You can argue about how effective it is, or how serious Moore is about it, but it's vote-buying by definition.
since you are so sure about it, you try and convince me that handing out incentives to register to vote is influencing the manner in which the person will be voting. (and uh if they register now can they even vote in this election, i dont even think so)

True. Those crazy fascists crack me up so much. I'm glad I'm all the way over in Britain where black people are allowed to vote, and freedom of speech isn't an arcane part of a frequently re-interpreted constitution.

Oh, and you spelt RepubliKKKon wrong. :D

LOL except Britain doesn't have any blacks.

since you are so sure about it, you try and convince me that handing out incentives to register to vote is influencing the manner in which the person will be voting. (and uh if they register now can they even vote in this election, i dont even think so)

Read the quote above. As I said, it's from an Associated Press article reprinted in the Daily Northwestern. Moore is not giving out incentives to register. He's giving out incentives to vote for Kerry.

They'd better arrest the republican terrorists that ask for Mr Moores arrest.
Accusation: treason of the constitution and anti American behaviour.

Read the quote above. As I said, it's from an Associated Press article reprinted in the Daily Northwestern. Moore is not giving out incentives to register. He's giving out incentives to vote for Kerry.
you are misconstruing your own quote. the AP didnt sya that, thats what the REPUBLICANS are ACCUSING him of, that doesnt mean thats what he is actually doing.

Accusation: treason of the constitution and anti American behaviour.

Like spelling behavior with a u?

Equating F911 to reality is like calling Taco Bell mexican food...
There are some similarities, but on the whole, it's a cheap knockoff in a flashy wrapper.
Perhaps you didn't catch the whole enchilada?

Anyways, now that it is out on DVD, millions more Americans are going to be able to make their own decisions on the subject matter, and in the end, I do believe that more Americans will end up voting for Kerry as a result. :cool:

Like spelling behavior with a u?

Hell, asshole, how is your German, Dutch, French aso? The guy isn't a native English speaker but I am sure that his language skills are better then yours, regarding your monolinguistic attitude. Poor biased moron.

Like spelling behavior with a u?
welcome to foreign english 101 captain oblivious

Most of the news reports I've read don't say anything about Moore urging people to specifically vote for Kerry, but rather to register.

This link http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2004/Oct/EEN416691344ff18.html mentions that Moore's "slacker oath" is 'Pick nose! Pick butt! Pick Kerry!', but that doesn't change the fact that he doesn't seem to be explicitly asking them to vote Kerry.

Yeah, we should forget about chasing that guy, Osama or whatever. And let Slobodan off to, after all, its *over*. Lets forget all the white-collar crime going on, we
can just write it off. Why not, its already been done.

Some people want people to be held accountable for their crimes and their actions.

Um... no. You're missing my point: The 2000 election has been over for years and there is no debating it any more than there is debating prohibition or segregation: you can argue your point of view, but the matter has been settled by the highest court in the land.

You can call the 2000 election a crime if you want, but the lawsuit was withdrawn and Gore conceded. It is *over*.

If you want Bush held responsible for his record, fine. I have no problem with that. But you have to do it though the courts, burden of proof and all.

Perhaps you didn't catch the whole enchilada?

Anyways, now that it is out on DVD, millions more Americans are going to be able to make their own decisions on the subject matter, and in the end, I do believe that more Americans will end up voting for Kerry as a result. :cool:

I saw the movie. I'm entitled to my own opinion, thanks.

Maybe, maybe not. Only time will tell. :)

Good question.. the article didn't point that out, but if anyone can find out it'd be interesting to know.

You are not allowed to offer bribes to get people to register to vote. That was the charge.

Being a stupid, fat, lying sack of shit, probably! :D
Naw, 'He's being mean to little bushie, stop him ;-;'

Like spelling behavior with a u?

Behaviour is spelt with a u in most areas of the world and most books I read and since my undergrad was in behaviour, I should know.

I am unfortunately from Georgia, USA and English is my first language.

The party said it asked the prosecutors to charge Moore, a John Kerry supporter, with violating Michigan's election law, which prohibits a person from contracting with another for something of value in exchange for agreeing to vote.He's not really a john kerry supporter, his logic works like this.

Nader: I agree with him, but he got the idiot elected last time...
Kerry: He's not bush...VOTE FOR HIM!!!!

Also this really bizarre law reminds me of something I'm going to have to face at a convention next month. In virgina wearing a sign that says "Free hugs" counts as prostitution. Apparently Virgina wants everyone to stay virgins forever...

sadly you are allowed to vote, we're boned
Funny thing is, if intelligence were a requirement to be allowed to vote, the republicans would never get elected. On average Republican supporters are dumber than Democrat supporters. Its been proven, but I can't seem to find the statistics online, and I threw away the sheet.

There are people that say alot worse things about Bush than Moore, such as several people on NS. If Moore is arrested, then that idiot Coulter should be arrested too. Yes, I am a Conservative defending Liberals because Bush isn't worth defending, he's almost done enough for me to say hell to Republicans. Thank God McCain's one. By the way, Linclon was the best President ever but thats a completely different topic.
In all honesty, if Lincoln were running today, he'd be a Democrat.(Anyone that knows political history will back me up on this, the party identies have 'flip-flopped' if you will)
And yes, McCain is the one republican that I would vote for. Other than him, democrats and independents.

Lincoln, best President ever? How, in any possible way, could you get that?

Emancipation Proclamation- Sham, used solely to prevent England from entering the war on the Confederates side by establishing a "moral" base fot the war. Unfortunately, it only freed slaves in the CSA states, and left alone the slaves in states that remained loyal. Thus, where it could help, it wouldn't, and where it would help, it couldn't.

So much for Lincoln. He couldn't even find a decent general. And then he got shot while watching a play. Real tough guy. Reagan and Teddy Roosevelt both got shot and survived, but your "best president ever" just didn't make the grade.

Lincoln freed absolutely no slaves, and he never even intended to. He only wanted to prevent slavery from spreading. The first time he changed that was with the Emancipation Proclamation, and look how effective it was.Lincoln was an abolisionist (sp?) However, being a politican he had to water down his own beliefs for greater public approval. Also, had Lincoln not been shot, the reconstruction wouldn't have pissed off southerners for over a hundred years.

Republicans are terrified by the fact that Michael Moore speaks to a majority of americans. If this majority votes, they lose. His books and films are successful because they reflect the truth as most americans see it. He's always been a champion of the working class and that just bothers the shit out of Republicans.

Source please.

Not that I don't believe you, but I want you to make Republicans look bad.
:checks the bibliography of Stupid White Men:

Btw, Moore-haters, he does cite his sources, he never outright lies, he just interprets the facts oddly and fills in the blanks. But then again, who doesn't.

I've heard the story too. The charges are bribing/buying votes. By offering people things in exchange for them voting against Bush. Which, hahaha!!!, is illegal.
Has nothing to do with the Republicans not liking him, it has to do with the fact that Moore has committed a federal crime.
Several things wrong with that
1: Its a michigan law, not a federal crime
2: If anyone else did that on the small scale that Moore did, the republicans wouldn't give a shit, its just the republicans have turned Moore into the Boogie Man (something that in and of its self lends credibility to his claims (keep in mind, didn't say PROVED))

If he's gonna burn over this, then I'm the love child of Santa, the pope and the easter bunny.
Presents!
:robs Legless Pirates:

Every media that is not biased isn't saying that. He offered them to register for stuff. Bot vote one way or another. If they choose to vote his way that would be cool too. But you can just get the stuff and vote the other way.
No promise to vote for a democrat.

Only republicans have loyalty oaths (Bush has them at his rallys)

Legless Pirates:
Wow, you got a strange family.
Okay, found it in 'Dude where's my country'
Moore doesn't actually care about how the kids vote, he just wants more and more people to vote. In his belief (and its probably true, it would make sense, plus its backed up by statistics) more (not a typo btw) people agree with Democrats than republicans, so the more people you can get out to vote, the more likely Democrats are to win.

Moore shouldn't be arrested. He broke no law, so far as I know. It's his constitutional right to be an asshole.
If being an asshole was illegal, the republican national convention would have been empty except for the token minorities.

If being an asshole was illegal, the republican national convention would have been empty except for the token minorities.

Nice to see you're not bigoted and don't subscribe to stereotypes. :(

What a great way to get your news.

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
I find it funny that that website also points out several lies by the bush administration.

It is ILLEGAL to offer ANYTHING for the promise of a vote. Here in california a local sub shop was going to give away frre sodas to people who brought in their ballot stubs AFTER voting, they were forced to stop and fined.

but i suppose since Moore is a democrat it is ok for him to break the law.

give me a break, the law is the law
Okay people, get your head around this little snippet. Moore is not a democrat, he is an independent. Don't think just because most of the country seems to operate under the assumption that there are only two political parties that everyone does. If the democrats do something he doesn't like, He'll jump on them to. Actually I think he did, (Bowling for Columbine(sp?)).

Nice to see you're not bigoted and don't subscribe to stereotypes. :(
I was specifically refering to the speakers. Ahnold is an ass, as is bush, McCain and the people related to bush (wife and daughters) are the only ones I saw who I didn't start thinking at some point, "Damn what an ass" (okay, I did think that about the skinnier of the bush girls, but it was more of a compliment), with the exception of the minorities.

The Kerry administration cn do better with aresting Bush, Cheney,Pearl, Rummy and some other white collar (but real killers) gangsters after the election. I am sure it would be easy to charge them with ""the planning of an "attack war" against other countries"" That is what was the main accusation at Nürnberg.( together with warcrimes and crimes against humanity).

Those Republican criminals are as guilty if we use the same standards for a international tribunal. Even an 8 year old will find evidence.This is a really idiotic statement. Congrats, you are a fool.

No one can deny that Moore...No one in your home...Not your mom...not your Dad...not even your sis...

Most of the news reports I've read don't say anything about Moore urging people to specifically vote for Kerry, but rather to register.

This link http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2004/Oct/EEN416691344ff18.html mentions that Moore's "slacker oath" is 'Pick nose! Pick butt! Pick Kerry!', but that doesn't change the fact that he doesn't seem to be explicitly asking them to vote Kerry.
If anything he's comparing Kerry to an ass.

While having no particular sympathy for Moore, I must say the harrassment against him rather amusing in a country boasting with freedom of speech so much.

Well, the current crop of 18-25 year olds is the most apathetic in history. In 1970, over half of that age group voted. In recent years its more like 25%. College students are only slightly more likely to vote than non-college students of the same age group.

(Edit: sorry, looking back, I do realise that there was a missing link in my logic.)
People under 21 couldn't vote in 1970, they weren't allowed to until 1972.
http://www.post-gazette.com/nation/20021127amendment_26p9.asp

I find it funny that that website also points out several lies by the bush administration.

I'm not a Bush supporter, I just despise Moore.

I was specifically refering to the speakers. Ahnold is an ass, as is bush, McCain and the people related to bush (wife and daughters) are the only ones I saw who I didn't start thinking at some point, "Damn what an ass" (okay, I did think that about the skinnier of the bush girls, but it was more of a compliment), with the exception of the minorities.

Basically, I see you as something of a zealot. I don't subscribe to either party (registered independent since '91), and I see truth and lies on both sides of the floor.

You may not like Bush. Fine, that's your right. But put a little substance behind your arguement! You're entitled to your speculations, but if you're going to even try to get your point of view taken seriously you need to state your case in conscise terms.

For example, state *why* you think the Governor of California and the President are asses. Otherwise, you're just slinging pundit mud, which is find pointless.

I only read the first couple of pages, not all 15 so if this has been stated already whatever:

Moore is being brought up on charges of bribing the kids with underwear and soup. I would just love to see the prosecuter say that with a straight face.

I only read the first couple of pages, not all 15 so if this has been stated already whatever:

Moore is being brought up on charges of bribing the kids with underwear and soup. I would just love to see the prosecuter say that with a straight face.
no, what hes being accused of by the republicans is bribing college kids with cheap noodles and underwear to register to vote with a promise to vote against bush.

of course the republicans are completel idiots and will pull stuff out of their collective asses to defame anyone they dislike

http://mrgrumman.home.comcast.net/MichaelMoorePig.JPG

Hey Piggy Piggy, come get your noodles.

Hey Piggy Piggy, come get your noodles.
Perhaps you could use some noodles?

no, what hes being accused of by the republicans is bribing college kids with cheap noodles and underwear to register to vote with a promise to vote against bush.

of course the republicans are completel idiots and will pull stuff out of their collective asses to defame anyone they dislike

A promise to vote against Bush? That's news to me... can you back it up?

I find it rather funny that you have to bribe Kerry voters with clean underwear. Can't they wash themselves, or is that too mainstream and conservative?

I find it rather funny that you have to bribe Kerry voters with clean underwear. Can't they wash themselves, or is that too mainstream and conservative?

True hippies do not bathe. ;)

True hippies do not bathe. ;)
Well, if they are so anti-establishment, they shouldn't vote, either. Let them go stink up some other country.

Like France? :D

I AM NOT FUNNY

**coughs**

I haven't managed to find any stories about this in media that isn't a hunting Moore site or the like, which means that the overall republican party isn't as stupid as the people who are actually calling for Moore's arrest. I said this before, do you seriously think that Moore doesn't embrace the idea that the republican party might go after him, try to arrest him for REGISTERING VOTERS-the caps are what the headlines are going to be, what's going to make it through. Of course he wants to bait republicans into looking like they are against people registering to vote, and there are some here that are falling for it. And they call Moore stupid....DANCE, MONKEYS!

P.T. Barnum was on to something....

**coughs**
You are pathetic, and pasting false quotes by others is sad, trite and really desperate.

I really have nothing to add to this conversation. So I'll just insult you instead! HA! That'll teach you!

**coughs again**

**sneezes**
Bless you

Break it up, you two, before it all ends in tears.

Tears inspired by me.

I make shit up to serve my needs and am a trite loser.
We know man.

True hippies do not bathe. ;)

I bathe. :) I bathed just last night.