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Disclaimer: I did not write this. I am quoting verbatim.


PRO-KERRY THUGS INVADE WISCONSIN REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN OFFICE
FROM THE WI REPUBLICAN PARTY WEBSITE:

More than 50 thugs stormed a Republican campaign office today--trespassing, creating a disturbance using a bullhorn in the office and refusing to leave when asked.

WI Republican Party Chairman, Rick Graber, condemned the action by Kerry supporters and asked the Kerry campaign and Democrat party of WI to do the same. Graber asks: "Do John Kerry and WI Democrats really believe this is conduct becoming a presidential candidate?" He called today's incident part of a disturbing trend of criminal conduct by anti-Bush forces in WI, listing many other destructive actions, including chemical burning of swastikas into Republicans' lawns.

Graber states: "Our volunteers, from children to the elderly have every right to feel safe when they are working on behalf of a cause and candidates they believe in" and "This type of thuggish intimidating conduct is unacceptable. It's time for John Kerry, the WI Democrat Party and Kerry's campaign leaders, including Gov. James E. Doyle, to put a stop to this shameful behavior."

Rick Graber is right. John Kerry, where do you stand on this type of behavior on your behalf? Will you apologize? And, will you put a stop to it? Millions of us voters would like to know.

theres this thing called a source, you usually provide one when quoting some news report.

Hey, this sounds almost verbatim like what the Republicans did in Florida while the at the time the legal recount was being done. They had been flown in from all parts of the country, many of them actually on the Republican payroll. They also were able to stop the recount in the county they pulled this in, even though it was a legal recount. Just goes to show both sides can have their moments I suppose.

Wow, if this information comes from the Republican website then it has to be true. :sarcasm:

my house has been vandalized because of my politicle views... its very imature and childlike.. we as US citizins should be alowed to vote for who we bealive in.. Thats what we are about.. i am very embarresed for people who are so close minded that they can not respect others views.. Just because i support bush does not make me a natzi and the fact that my house has been spray painted with a nazi symbol does not make me more inclinded to respect democrats.. its my views my rights

just a thougth i guess

theres this thing called a source, you usually provide one when quoting some news report.

Um ... when it says "From the WI Republican Website," what's that mean to you?

and i am in no way more inclined to respect republicans stealing yard signs and the like, besides that the general republican philosphy of forcing things on people

Hey, this sounds almost verbatim like what the Republicans did in Florida while the at the time the legal recount was being done. They had been flown in from all parts of the country, many of them actually on the Republican payroll. They also were able to stop the recount in the county they pulled this in, even though it was a legal recount. Just goes to show both sides can have their moments I suppose.

My point exactly. Also, I've been watching as this entire election has increasingly polarized the Nation to the point where this sort of thing has a better chance of happening.

Um ... when it says "From the WI Republican Website," what's that mean to you?
oh i just scanned

but that does not count as a source, nor does it prove this correct. i will not trust shit from republican sites. you get me a news source and a i might give a damn. this is like the RNC being able to dig up a quote john kerry supposedly made what a year or 2 ago? and no one else has access to this quote.

My point exactly. Also, I've been watching as this entire election has increasingly polarized the Nation to the point where this sort of thing has a better chance of happening.
but you conveniently point out only anti-republican things and consistently accuse the democrats of shit. the only time you use non biased sources is when you can bs around the story to make it look like its saying what you want it to say. dont pretend its only the liberals doing shit and the republicans are the picture of morality and perfection

Disclaimer: I did not write this. I am quoting verbatim.


PRO-KERRY THUGS INVADE WISCONSIN REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN OFFICE
FROM THE WI REPUBLICAN PARTY WEBSITE:

Good.

Like you can trust the media with their liberal bias.

oh i just scanned

but that does not count as a source, nor does it prove this correct. i will not trust shit from republican sites. you get me a news source and a i might give a damn. this is like the RNC being able to dig up a quote john kerry supposedly made what a year or 2 ago? and no one else has access to this quote.

Apparently Chess Squares HAS NOT been following the news. This has been happening to Republican HQ all over the country. The Republican HQ in Washington was broken into with laptops stolen.

In conjecture with this, the Adams County PA Republican HQ was also hit:

Vandals Shoot Windows Of GOP Headquarters (http://www.thewgalchannel.com/politics/3735764/detail.html)

my house has been vandalized because of my politicle views... its very imature and childlike.. we as US citizins should be alowed to vote for who we bealive in.. Thats what we are about.. i am very embarresed for people who are so close minded that they can not respect others views.. Just because i support bush does not make me a natzi and the fact that my house has been spray painted with a nazi symbol does not make me more inclinded to respect democrats.. its my views my rights

Liking bush might not make you an imbucile....

However, not knowing how to write the English language does. You have more in common with our bird brained President than you probably know.

You should write to your congressman/woman immediately and have them remove any funding for schools in your district. I say this because anything they are spending on education in your town is a waste.

God Bless The Queen - George W Bush (The Texican)

but you conveniently point out only anti-republican things and consistently accuse the democrats of shit. the only time you use non biased sources is when you can bs around the story to make it look like its saying what you want it to say. dont pretend its only the liberals doing shit and the republicans are the picture of morality and perfection

Oh. So I should point out anti-Democrat Party stuff? I thought you could handle that quite well.

Like you can trust the media with their liberal bias.
dopnt make me set you on fire, your pretty prone to that being made of wood and all

Oh. So I should point out anti-Democrat Party stuff? I thought you could handle that quite well.
mkultra does hte crazy stuff, but at least he provides sources, no one is saying they are unbiased, but at least they arnt known to make shit up out of thin air like the republicans. would you like to point out a thread i have created that involves a "news" item about the republicans doing something. please, go ahead.


you are worse than mklutra in that you are republican. i know that sounds horrible, but its not in being republican that makes you worse, its the fact that as such you are more than likely to make up shit that didnt happen and lie to make things look like they support you or are evil lies when in fact there is no partisanship about them

Apparently Chess Squares HAS NOT been following the news. This has been happening to Republican HQ all over the country. The Republican HQ in Washington was broken into with laptops stolen.

In conjecture with this, the Adams County PA Republican HQ was also hit:

Vandals Shoot Windows Of GOP Headquarters (http://www.thewgalchannel.com/politics/3735764/detail.html)

Yes, and a Republican campaign office in Knoxville, TN, was shot into, something discussed in a different thread on here.

Contrary to what "ChessSquares" would have you believe, I am not concerned only about this sort of thing happening to Republicans. When it happens to ANY political campaigns it should serve as a warning sign that things are getting out of hand.

Yes, and a Republican campaign office in Knoxville, TN, was shot into, something discussed in a different thread on here.

Contrary to what "ChessSquares" would have you believe, I am not concerned only about this sort of thing happening to Republicans. When it happens to ANY political campaigns it should serve as a warning sign that things are getting out of hand.

I agree! Why hasn't this happened to the Democratic HQs across the country? Does anyone know if that has occured yet?

Yes, and a Republican campaign office in Knoxville, TN, was shot into, something discussed in a different thread on here.

Contrary to what "ChessSquares" would have you believe, I am not concerned only about this sort of thing happening to Republicans. When it happens to ANY political campaigns it should serve as a warning sign that things are getting out of hand.
you are full of shit, not as an insult, as a fact. your putting forward that you are doing this out of concern for the politics of america is complete and utter BULLSHIT. we all know you are a hardcore nutjob republican who does whatever he can to make the liberals look bad, lies or not. for you to even pretend otherwise just makes you look stupid.

and i would not honestly put it past republicans to be doing this to themselves

Like you can trust the media with their liberal bias.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
That is the funniest thing i have ever heard in my entire life... liberal bias... *wipes tear of mirth from eye*

Real mature English is not my first langege... i was originaly a german citizine. i speak german french and english.. and i am working on my masters.. please do not insult me you are being very imature and i do not apreceate it.

english is very hard to learn by the way. to. too. two. so excuse me for not being super fluent in 3 langeges i have only been working on this one for 2 years now.. How many langeges do you speak???

mkultra does hte crazy stuff, but at least he provides sources, no one is saying they are unbiased, but at least they arnt known to make shit up out of thin air like the republicans. would you like to point out a thread i have created that involves a "news" item about the republicans doing something. please, go ahead.


you are worse than mklutra in that you are republican. i know that sounds horrible, but its not in being republican that makes you worse, its the fact that as such you are more than likely to make up shit that didnt happen and lie to make things look like they support you or are evil lies when in fact there is no partisanship about them

I have never "made up shit," nor have I lied about anything I have posted on this board. When I have posted things not written by me, I have always indicated ( with one exception ... and that was pointed out to me ) the writer or the source.

You have had a problem with me on a personal level ever since the very first post I made on here. At first I wondered why that should be. Now, I honestly don't care. However, I do care when you call me "liar." I was called by a Mod for doing that very thing a few days ago, and I quit. What makes me wonder about this entire board is the fact that you have not been called on the same issue. Selective monitoring?

you know, i have seen no evidence linking any of these attacks on republican headquarters and offices to pro-kerry people (other than the simple protest action ones, like in wi). you don't have to be a democrat to hate fascists. and you probably have to be not a democrat to actually take action against them.

that reply was to the blackestevil by the way...

and just because you cant speak english to well does not make you an imbucile.. how dare you what about everyone else in the world who speaks japanese or chinese russian portugese etc

you are full of shit, not as an insult, as a fact. your putting forward that you are doing this out of concern for the politics of america is complete and utter BULLSHIT. we all know you are a hardcore nutjob republican who does whatever he can to make the liberals look bad, lies or not. for you to even pretend otherwise just makes you look stupid.

and i would not honestly put it past republicans to be doing this to themselves

Simply saying something is "not as an insult" doesn't make it any less an insult, or a personal attack.

I have never "made up shit," nor have I lied about anything I have posted on this board. When I have posted things not written by me, I have always indicated ( with one exception ... and that was pointed out to me ) the writer or the source.

You have had a problem with me on a personal level ever since the very first post I made on here. At first I wondered why that should be. Now, I honestly don't care. However, I do care when you call me "liar." I was called by a Mod for doing that very thing a few days ago, and I quit. What makes me wonder about this entire board is the fact that you have not been called on the same issue. Selective monitoring?
your first posts were egotistical and self righteous. you made points then pointed to your OWN website to prove them. then once you realised that was unintelligent, i would hope, you started citing RNC websites of all things to prove your asinine posts of democrat evilness. you are the republican mklutra and worse in that you would lie and manipulate to make the democrats look bad and then say you are just trying to show how politic is out of hand, i see past your bs of the "look at what happened, politics is out of hand" i see past that charade of pretend concern for america and i see the obvious partisan bias torwards the republicans

There is no conclusive evidence that the Democratic Party or the Kerry Campaign was involved.

Simply saying something is "not as an insult" doesn't make it any less an insult, or a personal attack.
facts are facts are facts

There is no conclusive evidence that the Democratic Party or the Kerry Campaign was involved.

Your right there isn't.

What I'm surprised is why there haven't been reprisals against Democrat HQs across the country wether there is a connection or not.

Why hasn't this happened?

Your right there isn't.

What I'm surprised is why there haven't been reprisals against Democrat HQs across the country wether there is a connection or not.

Why hasn't this happened?

Well given my understanding that at least the Washington HQ it was a rock thrown threw the window, I would put my money on it being teenagers.. Hardly the covert style of lets say "Watergate" ;)

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WI Republican Party Chairman, Rick Graber, condemned the action by Kerry supporters and asked the Kerry campaign and Democrat party of WI to do the same. Graber asks: "Do John Kerry and WI Democrats really believe this is conduct becoming a presidential candidate?"
What he's blaming Kerry's conduct because some Assholes happen to support him. This guy sounds really smart does he think Kerry himself went in there and did it.

I have never "made up shit," nor have I lied about anything I have posted on this board. When I have posted things not written by me, I have always indicated ( with one exception ... and that was pointed out to me ) the writer or the source.


You do have a knack for using dated, refuted talking points and avoiding even looking at the evidence, such as:
Here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=252) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=247) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=244) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=209) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=187) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=177) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=159) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=155) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=153) and here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=147).

Yeah, you haven't brought any of this up yet in this particular thread, but you will. Just keeping my promise.

Well given my understanding that at least the Washington HQ it was a rock thrown threw the window, I would put my money on it being teenagers.. Hardly the covert style of lets say "Watergate" ;)

This didn't answer my question!

Has any Democrat HQs been hit yet in reprisal to the Republican HQs being hit?

I know there is no evidence that it was the dems that are doing this, but so far, I've heard of no attacks on Dem HQ.

You do have a knack for using dated, refuted talking points and avoiding even looking at the evidence, such as:
Here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=252) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=247) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=244) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=209) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=187) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=177) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=159) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=155) here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=153) and here, (http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=147).

Yeah, you haven't brought any of this up yet in this particular thread, but you will. Just keeping my promise.

Fascinating. One man's "refutation" is another man's "inept attempt at refutation." Tsk!

And by the way ... the only thing I got when I clicked on all of those supposed links to my avoidance of "evidence" was a 404 error message.

facts are facts are facts


So I must ask. First off, I hold no Political Party preference. I vote for whoever will do the best job regardless of Party.

So my question. Is everyone that disagrees with you full of shit? Does everyone have to be proKerry to be an acceptable person for you?

If this is the case, then you are just as bad as those you accuse.

Intereting, eh?

Being anti-republican doesn't nessisarly make one Pro-Democrat, and there are plenty of groups, some of which are extreemist enough to pull a stunt like that. To make a connection between Kerry's political camp and jackasses who can't appreciate the sence of irony they bring to the political system is akin to drawing a connection between extreme right wing groups such as the Army of God and various backwater militia groups, and the republican party. At least that's my oppinion, though feel free to correct me if the KKK is dirrectly supported by any republican at all. . . outside of Trent Lot or a few others who will remain nameless to keep this a flame free thread.

So I must ask. First off, I hold no Political Party preference. I vote for whoever will do the best job regardless of Party.

So my question. Is everyone that disagrees with you full of shit? Does everyone have to be proKerry to be an acceptable person for you?

If this is the case, then you are just as bad as those you accuse.

Intereting, eh?
your obviously new here..

Folks, can we all agree that the actions in the article (trespassing, creating a disturbance), if they occurred, are totally unacceptable?

Disclaimer: I did not write this. I am quoting verbatim.


PRO-KERRY THUGS INVADE WISCONSIN REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN OFFICE
FROM THE WI REPUBLICAN PARTY WEBSITE:

More than 50 thugs stormed a Republican campaign office today--trespassing, creating a disturbance using a bullhorn in the office and refusing to leave when asked.

WI Republican Party Chairman, Rick Graber, condemned the action by Kerry supporters and asked the Kerry campaign and Democrat party of WI to do the same. Graber asks: "Do John Kerry and WI Democrats really believe this is conduct becoming a presidential candidate?" He called today's incident part of a disturbing trend of criminal conduct by anti-Bush forces in WI, listing many other destructive actions, including chemical burning of swastikas into Republicans' lawns.

Graber states: "Our volunteers, from children to the elderly have every right to feel safe when they are working on behalf of a cause and candidates they believe in" and "This type of thuggish intimidating conduct is unacceptable. It's time for John Kerry, the WI Democrat Party and Kerry's campaign leaders, including Gov. James E. Doyle, to put a stop to this shameful behavior."

Rick Graber is right. John Kerry, where do you stand on this type of behavior on your behalf? Will you apologize? And, will you put a stop to it? Millions of us voters would like to know.



Kerry will apologize when Bush attends a funeral of a US soldier killed in Iraq and apologizes to the family of the soldier who he sent to Iraq for no apparent reason.

My point exactly. Also, I've been watching as this entire election has increasingly polarized the Nation to the point where this sort of thing has a better chance of happening.

I think Eutrusca has a very keen observation in respect to Stephistan's post.

America has become a sort of breeding ground, at the moment, for radical political demonstrations on both sides rather than just allowing both sides to come to a rational conclusion on who to vote for in November.

Anything that gets that muppet Bush out of office is reasonable!

I think Eutrusca has a very keen observation in respect to Stephistan's post.

America has become a sort of breeding ground, at the moment, for radical political demonstrations on both sides rather than just allowing both sides to come to a rational conclusion on who to vote for in November.

I agree with this. It does seem that it is moving in that direction!

Fascinating. One man's "refutation" is another man's "inept attempt at refutation." Tsk!

And by the way ... the only thing I got when I clicked on all of those supposed links to my avoidance of "evidence" was a 404 error message.
factcheck.org

C'mon, man-even Cheney gives it up for that site (presuming he can get the suffix right)

But I understand, sand keeps your head warm.

Anything that gets that muppet Bush out of office is reasonable!

Don't be insulting muppets! They do go things for the world!

Liking bush might not make you an imbucile....

However, not knowing how to write the English language does. You have more in common with our bird brained President than you probably know.

You should write to your congressman/woman immediately and have them remove any funding for schools in your district. I say this because anything they are spending on education in your town is a waste.

God Bless The Queen - George W Bush (The Texican)
What is an imbucile? Is that anything like an imbecile, moron?

[Graber asks: "Do John Kerry and WI Democrats really believe this is conduct becoming a presidential candidate?"Does Rick Graber really believe that blowing up federal building is ok? What a slimy little toad. But, none of the sins of Republicans in any way excuses trespassing in a campaign office and creating a disturbance.

oh i just scanned

but that does not count as a source, nor does it prove this correct. i will not trust shit from republican sites. you get me a news source and a i might give a damn. this is like the RNC being able to dig up a quote john kerry supposedly made what a year or 2 ago? and no one else has access to this quote.

Exactly.

Folks, can we all agree that the actions in the article (trespassing, creating a disturbance), if they occurred, are totally unacceptable?

Of course, then again, many things done by fringe elements are totaly unacceptable. Refer to my orriginal post, 99% of people, libearals and conservatives both, would never try anything like this because they understand it would hurt, more than help thier cause.

Of course, then again, many things done by fringe elements are totaly unacceptable. Refer to my orriginal post, 99% of people, libearals and conservatives both, would never try anything like this because they understand it would hurt, more than help thier cause.
which is why i said i wouldnt put it past the republicans to be doing this stuff to themselves

which is why i said i wouldnt put it past the republicans to be doing this stuff to themselves


I can neither confirm nor deny the accuracy of that statement, but it does make me recall that the Republicans did indeed fake the supposed post-Clinton vandalism of government offices. Remember that? The Republicans made a big stink about a bunch of stuff destroyed and it turned out to be a big fake?

Ah, Republican party, hast thou no shame?

Of course, then again, many things done by fringe elements are totaly unacceptable. Refer to my orriginal post, 99% of people, libearals and conservatives both, would never try anything like this because they understand it would hurt, more than help thier cause.While that, and because it's wrong. I was getting a vibe of "but the republicans are doing it", but on rereading the thread, I think I misread. But oi, the rancor! Though with the trollishness of the original post I suppose that's to be expected :-(.

theres this thing called a source, you usually provide one when quoting some news report.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/oct04/264338.asp

The info is halfway into this article

Classic liberal media bias. The story of these brain dead union thugs gets buried in another story. What would the media reaction be if it was Kerry HQ harrased by a Pro-Life group or the NRA?

Ah, Republican party, hast thou no shame?


I myself hate both parties, I care about the people running. I myself think that the parties themselves are led by someone even higher than that who really run the country, giving us a false sense of security in our so called "democracy" which is secretly a dictatorship. but...... that's something for another time.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/oct04/264338.asp

The info is halfway into this article

Classic liberal media bias. The story of these brain dead union thugs gets buried in another story. What would the media reaction be if it was Kerry HQ harrased by a Pro-Life group or the NRA?
blah blah blah liberal media bias blah balh im a moron blah blah

if it isnt on its kenes praising everything bush does, it is suddenyl liberal media.

shut the hell up you wacko

I myself hate both parties, I care about the people running. I myself think that the parties themselves are led by someone even higher than that who really run the country, giving us a false sense of security in our so called "democracy" which is secretly a dictatorship. but...... that's something for another time.


I suggest a tin foil hat to block out the illuminati transmissions to your fillings. Also, stop listening to the neighbor's dog when it tells you to kill hookers.

Thats ok, they hit the Orlando office yesterday. Is it really a surprise? There were injuries and our Rep. has called for an investigation. It all started because the head of the office refused to allow the "protesters" to enter the building.

Looks like the Dems learned from some of the successful GOP tactics in Florida four years ago!

Now if they could just get some directors of elections, and local police on their side, the smug and cynical powermongering republicans would get a true taste of their own medicine.

Thats ok, they hit the Orlando office yesterday. Is it really a surprise? There were injuries and our Rep. has called for an investigation. It all started because the head of the office refused to allow the "protesters" to enter the building.

Funny how this is not getting reported in the media! Where is the outrage of these acts of vandalism against the Republican HQs?

I can tell you right now that if these were Democrat HQs, the media would be all over it like a ton of bricks.

*shakes his head*

and i am in no way more inclined to respect republicans stealing yard signs and the like, besides that the general republican philosphy of forcing things on people
Just because a few insensitive republicans do inappropriate things to prove a point, dosen't mean that pres. Bush, or any other republican is bad.

as i've looked through this thread i continualy see stuff like this from you
shut the hell up you wacko
that's not going to help you prove your piont.

maby people would be more willing to listen if their wasn't all this stuff.

i know i would!

Just because a few insensitive republicans do inappropriate things to prove a point, dosen't mean that pres. Bush, or any other republican is bad.

Congrats Ug pan! you are right but he'll never see that you are right. He is so anti-bush/anti-republican that he'll say that you are wrong and will call you names.

as i've looked through this thread i continualy see stuff like this from you
that's not going to help you prove your piont.

maby people would be more willing to listen if their wasn't all this stuff.

i know i would!

*Applauds*

We've been telling him that for months but he doesn't seem to listen. Of course, I'm on his ignore list because I am a republican with a differing opinion than him and he didn't like it.

*Applauds*

We've been telling him that for months but he doesn't seem to listen. Of course, I'm on his ignore list because I am a republican with a differing opinion than him and he didn't like it.

As you are a Republican, I'd like you to look at this: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=363622

As you are a Republican, I'd like you to look at this: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=363622

And he said, don't vote for the war if your going to vote against funding it. (Votes for it then votes against funding it)

I am a republican and proud of it but I also listen to both sides of the issue and then vote accordingly.

I do not trust Kerry on National Security or Foreign Affairs. I do trust Bush on these issues so that is why I'm voting for him.

And he said, don't vote for the war if your going to vote against funding it. (Votes for it then votes against funding it)

I am a republican and proud of it but I also listen to both sides of the issue and then vote accordingly.

I do not trust Kerry on National Security or Foreign Affairs. I do trust Bush on these issues so that is why I'm voting for him.

Ah, but Kerry did vote for the funding, but the version he voted for got defeated and Bush threatened to veto it. See factcheck.org (endorsed by Cheney, by the way) to see the truth on that subject.

And he said, don't vote for the war if your going to vote against funding it. (Votes for it then votes against funding it)

I am a republican and proud of it but I also listen to both sides of the issue and then vote accordingly.

I do not trust Kerry on National Security or Foreign Affairs. I do trust Bush on these issues so that is why I'm voting for him.

Oh, and if you look at the speech I linked to in the forum above, you'll see how absolutely right Kerry was on matters of defense and foreign policy, even way back in 2002. Kerry called it very very impressively. Just look at it, that's all I ask.

And he said, don't vote for the war if your going to vote against funding it. (Votes for it then votes against funding it)

I am a republican and proud of it but I also listen to both sides of the issue and then vote accordingly.

I do not trust Kerry on National Security or Foreign Affairs. I do trust Bush on these issues so that is why I'm voting for him.

You trust Bush on forigen affiars? That is too funny. You trust him on National Security?! That is too sad. This is what Bush did too help our National Security: He let a mass murderer terrorist get away when we had him cornered, attended not one anti-terrorist meeting in the months leading up to 9/11, launched a pointless war, killing millions of Iraqies and American soldiers, and refused to sign a bill to dimantle nuclear arms in many countrys worldwide.

Ah, but Kerry did vote for the funding, but the version he voted for got defeated and Bush threatened to veto it. See factcheck.org (endorsed by Cheney, by the way) to see the truth on that subject.

So true however, it DOES NOT CHANGE the fact that he voted for it (the original bill) before he voted against it (the one that past)

It is the last one that counts most than the first one.

You trust Bush on forigen affiars? That is too funny. You trust him on National Security?! That is too sad. This is what Bush did too help our National Security: He let a mass murderer terrorist get away when we had him cornered, attended not one anti-terrorist meeting in the months leading up to 9/11, launched a pointless war, killing millions of Iraqies and American soldiers, and refused to sign a bill to dimantle nuclear arms in many countrys worldwide.

You do know that most people trust Bush in National Security and the War on terror right?

Kerry leads on the domestic front but National Security will decide this election.

He voted against it when he found out that Bush lied. It makes perfect sense.

So true however, it DOES NOT CHANGE the fact that he voted for it (the original bill) before he voted against it (the one that past)

It is the last one that counts most than the first one.

the last one only matters because it was the one that passed. If the first one has passed, then all the Republicans would look bad, wouldn't they? Explain to me how the order matters. Explain to me how Kerry was unwilling to pay for the funding (since he obviously voted for one version.) Explain to me why making our children pay for the funding was more important to the Republicans than voting for the first version.

So true however, it DOES NOT CHANGE the fact that he voted for it (the original bill) before he voted against it (the one that past)

It is the last one that counts most than the first one.
Why does the last count more?
I would think the first bill being the superior bill counts more.

Why does the last count more?
I would think the first bill being the superior bill counts more.

Because the last bill was the one that passed the US Congress thus it carries more weight than the one that did not pass. Did you not learn that in government class?

You do know that most people trust Bush in National Security and the War on terror right?

Kerry leads on the domestic front but National Security will decide this election.

That doesnt defend anything I just said. A lot of Bushes lies went unchecked across America. Most Americans, I'm filled with shame because of this, didnt have the wit to see through him. Now some have started to open thier eyes. I can only hope, for the good of the nation, that more will follow.

You do know that most people trust Bush in National Security and the War on terror right?

Kerry leads on the domestic front but National Security will decide this election.

Luckily, recent polls show Bush's support in that regard is deteriorating. Thank god for newer, more accurate information.

Luckily, recent polls show Bush's support in that regard is deteriorating. Thank god for newer, more accurate information.

Hear hear!

Luckily, recent polls show Bush's support in that regard is deteriorating. Thank god for newer, more accurate information.

And yet the Gallop poll still has the majority of americans still think that Iraq was not a mistake, 51% to 48%

Just because a few insensitive republicans do inappropriate things to prove a point, dosen't mean that pres. Bush, or any other republican is bad.

Then by that logic Kerry and the Democrats aren't responsible for what some people did, even if they were democrats.

Then by that logic Kerry and the Democrats aren't responsible for what some people did, even if they were democrats.

And you are indeed correct unless it can be directly linked to them. In that case, the rules change.

And yet the Gallop poll still has the majority of americans still think that Iraq was not a mistake, 51% to 48%
Accually, Gallup is biased. It was in the Times. The've never really lied.

And yet the Gallop poll still has the majority of americans still think that Iraq was not a mistake, 51% to 48%

Well, while the war certainly could have been handled better and this might not have been the best time for it, I certainly have no objections to removing any mass murdering dictator from power.

How do we know that these are pro-Kerry thugs and not simply anti-Bush thugs?

Why do you think that John Kerry has any control over these people? Why does he bear responsibility for their stupid behaviour?

Disclaimer: I did not write this. I am quoting verbatim.


PRO-KERRY THUGS INVADE WISCONSIN REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN OFFICE
FROM THE WI REPUBLICAN PARTY WEBSITE:

More than 50 thugs stormed a Republican campaign office today--trespassing, creating a disturbance using a bullhorn in the office and refusing to leave when asked.

WI Republican Party Chairman, Rick Graber, condemned the action by Kerry supporters and asked the Kerry campaign and Democrat party of WI to do the same. Graber asks: "Do John Kerry and WI Democrats really believe this is conduct becoming a presidential candidate?" He called today's incident part of a disturbing trend of criminal conduct by anti-Bush forces in WI, listing many other destructive actions, including chemical burning of swastikas into Republicans' lawns.

Graber states: "Our volunteers, from children to the elderly have every right to feel safe when they are working on behalf of a cause and candidates they believe in" and "This type of thuggish intimidating conduct is unacceptable. It's time for John Kerry, the WI Democrat Party and Kerry's campaign leaders, including Gov. James E. Doyle, to put a stop to this shameful behavior."

Rick Graber is right. John Kerry, where do you stand on this type of behavior on your behalf? Will you apologize? And, will you put a stop to it? Millions of us voters would like to know.Typical leftist Thuggery.

Disclaimer: I did not write this. I am quoting verbatim.


PRO-KERRY THUGS INVADE WISCONSIN REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN OFFICE
FROM THE WI REPUBLICAN PARTY WEBSITE:

More than 50 thugs stormed a Republican campaign office today--trespassing, creating a disturbance using a bullhorn in the office and refusing to leave when asked.

WI Republican Party Chairman, Rick Graber, condemned the action by Kerry supporters and asked the Kerry campaign and Democrat party of WI to do the same. Graber asks: "Do John Kerry and WI Democrats really believe this is conduct becoming a presidential candidate?" He called today's incident part of a disturbing trend of criminal conduct by anti-Bush forces in WI, listing many other destructive actions, including chemical burning of swastikas into Republicans' lawns.

Graber states: "Our volunteers, from children to the elderly have every right to feel safe when they are working on behalf of a cause and candidates they believe in" and "This type of thuggish intimidating conduct is unacceptable. It's time for John Kerry, the WI Democrat Party and Kerry's campaign leaders, including Gov. James E. Doyle, to put a stop to this shameful behavior."

Rick Graber is right. John Kerry, where do you stand on this type of behavior on your behalf? Will you apologize? And, will you put a stop to it? Millions of us voters would like to know.

You wouldn't happen to be MKULTRA's other half, would you? Jk :p

You wouldn't happen to be MKULTRA's other half, would you? Jk :p
hes the yang

Disclaimer: I did not write this. I am quoting verbatim.


PRO-KERRY THUGS INVADE WISCONSIN REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN OFFICE
FROM THE WI REPUBLICAN PARTY WEBSITE:

More than 50 thugs stormed a Republican campaign office today--trespassing, creating a disturbance using a bullhorn in the office and refusing to leave when asked.

WI Republican Party Chairman, Rick Graber, condemned the action by Kerry supporters and asked the Kerry campaign and Democrat party of WI to do the same. Graber asks: "Do John Kerry and WI Democrats really believe this is conduct becoming a presidential candidate?" He called today's incident part of a disturbing trend of criminal conduct by anti-Bush forces in WI, listing many other destructive actions, including chemical burning of swastikas into Republicans' lawns.

Graber states: "Our volunteers, from children to the elderly have every right to feel safe when they are working on behalf of a cause and candidates they believe in" and "This type of thuggish intimidating conduct is unacceptable. It's time for John Kerry, the WI Democrat Party and Kerry's campaign leaders, including Gov. James E. Doyle, to put a stop to this shameful behavior."

Rick Graber is right. John Kerry, where do you stand on this type of behavior on your behalf? Will you apologize? And, will you put a stop to it? Millions of us voters would like to know.

Okay, kids...um, er, esteemed NationStates leaders, I'm dragging this thread back to it's original subject.
I live in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. There was no news AT ALL of this in the local daily, 'The Milwaukee Journal Sentinal' (which endorsed Bush in 2000), or on any of the local TV news broadcasts, nor did it appear in either of the Madison, Wisconsin (where this incident supposedly took place) newspapers, 'The Capitol Times' or the 'Wisconsin State Journal'.
Wouldn't you think that if this incident happened & was so upsetting to the Republicans, they would be venting their rage in every possible media outlet?

Okay, kids...um, er, esteemed NationStates leaders, I'm dragging this thread back to it's original subject.
I live in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. There was no news AT ALL of this in the local daily, 'The Milwaukee Journal Sentinal' (which endorsed Bush in 2000), or on any of the local TV news broadcasts, nor did it appear in either of the Madison, Wisconsin (where this incident supposedly took place) newspapers, 'The Capitol Times' or the 'Wisconsin State Journal'.
Wouldn't you think that if this incident happened & was so upsetting to the Republicans, they would be venting their rage in every possible media outlet?

*slaps his face in a pre-drug McAulay Culkin-like way.

You mean Eutrusca posted something that's either misleading or completely untrue? Heavens!

/sarcasm

Okay....I found a picture of the "thugs"...it appears that they might have been protesting one of Bush's policies (cuts in overtime)?

http://pak02.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/GuestLogin?event=TaskView&shareInfo=KnVVBplenSMQZXLrMlMv0XSivWE1xZ4mi8MWoPXfgI2%2fjFCnkV3ciA%3d%3d&selectedIndex=0&locale=en_US&locale=en_US

Hmmmm huge tax refunds for the wealthiest, yet cuts in pay to those who WANT to work and not collect welfare.

Go you Republicants

Rick Graber is right. John Kerry, where do you stand on this type of behavior on your behalf? Will you apologize? And, will you put a stop to it? Millions of us voters would like to know.

1) I would assume (hope) that any public servant, regardless of political affiliation would take the firm stance of opposing such behaviour in a civilized society.

2) If he (Sen. Kerry) were to apologise for the actions of a few radicals that (as far as any reliable news source have shown) have no proven connection to his "camp", he would indeed appear as accepting blame for these actions. Not only would that be illogical to expect of Sen. Kerry, it would be political suicide for the man. Love him...hate him...I seriously doubt that he is that stupid.

3) How exatcly would he put a stop to these actions? These obviously aren't the type of people to follow due process or listen to lawful instructions.

4) All the above comments could be related to any people who commit unlawful actions, regardles of their political beliefs or lack thereof.

blah blah blah liberal media bias blah balh im a moron blah blah

if it isnt on its kenes praising everything bush does, it is suddenyl liberal media.

shut the hell up you wacko


Way to ignore the facts presented and engage in knee-jerk ad hominem attacks.

Socrates would be proud of your carefully reasoned debate style.

Okay, kids...um, er, esteemed NationStates leaders, I'm dragging this thread back to it's original subject.
I live in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. There was no news AT ALL of this in the local daily, 'The Milwaukee Journal Sentinal' (which endorsed Bush in 2000), or on any of the local TV news broadcasts, nor did it appear in either of the Madison, Wisconsin (where this incident supposedly took place) newspapers, 'The Capitol Times' or the 'Wisconsin State Journal'.
Wouldn't you think that if this incident happened & was so upsetting to the Republicans, they would be venting their rage in every possible media outlet?

I live near Milwaukee, WI as well, and I hate to tell you but I wouldn't trust any of the sources to print about this if they were dependent on it for life itself. All of the rags you quoted there have so much liberal bias they should be deemed worthless as real news sources.

Oh, by the way .. your Precious Milwaukee Journal did have an article regarding this, it was just buried deep in another article.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/oct04/264338.asp

Oh, BTW it was on the news on WTMJ and WISN radio as well.

I live near Milwaukee, WI as well, and I hate to tell you but I wouldn't trust any of the sources to print about this if they were dependent on it for life itself. All of the rags you quoted there have so much liberal bias they should be deemed worthless as real news sources.

Oh, by the way .. your Precious Milwaukee Journal did have an article regarding this, it was just buried deep in another article.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/oct04/264338.asp

Oh, BTW it was on the news on WTMJ and WISN radio as well.

Oops...I'm so sorry. I didn't read the entire article once I determined it was about Laura's visit to the area. The Journal-Sentinel is not my precious anything. I rarely read it; it's become far too right-wing for me. I don't listen to the above-mentioned radio stations for the same reasons.
I listen to the local public radio stations in spite of their slide to the right; when I'm online I listen to AirAmerica.
The Journal-Sentinel said the protestors were 'critics of his (Bush) policies'. It does not say they were Democrats. Even the Log Cabin Republicans have refused to endorse Bush. Maybe, just maybe......

:rolleyes: A few things:

Somone said that ht media was liberally controlled..... might want to check that out. the Majority is actually replublican owned.

Should Bush apologize for these 'independent groups' sctions? Did he? (swiftboat veterans for truth?)

SO, really folks let's look at this again:

Are these actions repectable no matter who did them first?(repub. or demo?)
NO!

Could, even if the party candidate themselves did it, they parties both deny accountability? (providing no evidence is found)
yes

Do we have to really be questioning when we hear something on the news?

No matter what party or what source, we should always question what we hear and seek to verify it ourselves via searching the multitude of sources we have now-a-days.

And let'e remember, the type of civility we expect of our elected officials, starts at home with us. As a society, we need to behave in more civil ways, more diplomatic ways, and drop a lot of the 'Jerry Springer-esque' public spectacles we seem to be spawning quicker than we can clean them up.

Rules of engagement - stop the name-calling, stop the accusations and stop the insults. Asking questions, in a civil manner, that highlight the flaws and weaknesses (to fully revealed to the audience) you see in an argument, is the best way to operate.

Burn down the f*ing whitehouse I'd say :P

Burn down the f*ing whitehouse I'd say :P

yeah, let's go all war of 1812 on their asses

:rolleyes: A few things:

Somone said that ht media was liberally controlled..... might want to check that out. the Majority is actually replublican owned.




Nice Try. I doesn't matter a hill of beans who OWNS the media. The proven fact is that the people who REPORT the news are liberals. Go into any newspaper and ask the reporters who they vote for. Upwards of 80% will say Democrats. They are liberal and this colors the way they report, and what they do, and more importantly, DO NOT report.

Try reading Bernard Goldberg's "Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News", most of which waas borne out in the Dan Rather debacle.

The media are only as liberal as the conservative business that own them...

Nice Try. I doesn't matter a hill of beans who OWNS the media. The proven fact is that the people who REPORT the news are liberals. Go into any newspaper and ask the reporters who they vote for. Upwards of 80% will say Democrats. They are liberal and this colors the way they report, and what they do, and more importantly, DO NOT report.

Try reading Bernard Goldberg's "Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News", most of which waas borne out in the Dan Rather debacle.

Liberal reporters have to read their copy, just like anyone else. Liberal reporters still have to report to their bosses (who have to report to the company owners) just like everyone else...

Liberal reporters have to read their copy, just like anyone else. Liberal reporters still have to report to their bosses (who have to report to the company owners) just like everyone else...

Also, and this is very important, the same studies that find that journalists tend to be socially liberal also finds that they tend to be economically conservative, especially the high profile anchors and reporters.

Another case where conservatives want to simplify things so that facts come out in their favor.

Nice Try. I doesn't matter a hill of beans who OWNS the media. The proven fact is that the people who REPORT the news are liberals. Go into any newspaper and ask the reporters who they vote for. Upwards of 80% will say Democrats. They are liberal and this colors the way they report, and what they do, and more importantly, DO NOT report.

Try reading Bernard Goldberg's "Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News", most of which waas borne out in the Dan Rather debacle.
wouldnt it thus suggest intelligent, informed people are voting for democrats?