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New York's Pier 57 Detention Center

On 31 August 2004, during the Republican National Convention in New York City, around 1,200 people were arrested and sent to a makeshift detention/processing center at Pier 57.

Over 1,800 were arrested during the entire convention.

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For a detailed account written by someone who was arrested that day, read Emmanuel Goldstein's "Notes From the Republican National Convention - The 8/31 Experience" (http://www.2600.com/rnc2004/) at http://www.2600.com/rnc2004/. Goldstein is the editor for the popular hacker magazine "2600". More photos are available there.

That was great! Don't F with the NYPD!!!

No replies to this? What's wrong with you people? I wouldn't live in the US, even if I was born there, after shit like this.

they were not allowed to rally on Central Park's main lawn, the city said no and they did it anyway, there were mentions of Civil Disobedience. That means they were violating laws. Big friggin whoop, the city knew there were going to be mass demonstrations so they came prepared and had police out watching, to make sure no riots, destruction of property, disruption of traffic or looting took place. Sure they couldn't have stopped an airplane but the poster and the author of the article are making riduculous assumptions, its like a thread i read a while back when some lady got arrested, refused to cooperate after trespassing on Ft. Benning. Sure they MP's weren't too gentle, jesus H. Christ people what the hell do you expect???


Question 1. Were they out there spraying the crowd down with Fire hoses?

they were not allowed to rally on Central Park's main lawn, the city said no and they did it anyway, there were mentions of Civil Disobedience. That means they were violating laws. Big friggin whoop, the city knew there were going to be mass demonstrations so they came prepared and had police out watching, to make sure no riots, destruction of property, disruption of traffic or looting took place. Sure they couldn't have stopped an airplane but the poster and the author of the article are making riduculous assumptions, its like a thread i read a while back when some lady got arrested, refused to cooperate after trespassing on Ft. Benning. Sure they MP's weren't too gentle, jesus H. Christ people what the hell do you expect???


Question 1. Were they out there spraying the crowd down with Fire hoses?
the fact that things were mentioned doesnt prove shit, the people getting the shit breat out of them by republicans in the convention were charged with assault, not the ones doing the beating, the oens getting beat up

That's weird... 1800 people in my park isn't considered a RALLY, we just call it "a bunch of people at the park". A PUBLIC park is PUBLIC domain, they were arrested illegally.

Bunch of stupid college kids who have been handed everything in their lives looking for a cause in order to make themselves feel relevant. What the hell did they expect? The NYPD to handle them with kid gloves? Please. Maybe those morons forgot about September 11th but the NYPD sure have not.

Bunch of stupid college kids who have been handed everything in their lives looking for a cause in order to make themselves feel relevant. What the hell did they expect? The NYPD to handle them with kid gloves? Please. Maybe those morons forgot about September 11th but the NYPD sure have not.
neither have the republicans who like to make it look like the ygive a fuck about new york, guess what a tragedy is not a political soap box, get the hell down before you hurt yourself

That's weird... 1800 people in my park isn't considered a RALLY, we just call it "a bunch of people at the park". A PUBLIC park is PUBLIC domain, they were arrested illegally.

Wrong. You must apply to the City for a permit for a demonstration. The permit requirement has been upheld as constitutional.

Wrong. You must apply to the City for a permit for a demonstration. The permit requirement has been upheld as constitutional.

And who decides what a demonstration is? Thousand of people gathered in Buenos Aires during 19th/20th December of 2000 but no one had called to that meeting, everyone showed up in the May Square because of their own will... They just stood there making noise in front of the Government House; are you telling me that if the laws were the same as in New York they could have all been arrested?

neither have the republicans who like to make it look like the ygive a fuck about new york, guess what a tragedy is not a political soap box, get the hell down before you hurt yourself

What the hell are you talking about? It wasn't a tragedy. A fire in a crowded night club that kills dozens is a tragedy. A drunk driver who kills a family driving home from church is a tragedy. September 11th goes way beyond a tragedy. Our Country was attacked. And you're saying that the President can't mention the attack in trying to galvanize support for the war against terrorism? Like FDR never mentioned Pearl Harbor in his reelection campaign in '44. Now stop drinking the liberal KoolAid before it kills you.

And who decides what a demonstration is? Thousand of people gathered in Buenos Aires during 19th/20th December of 2000 but no one had called to that meeting, everyone showed up in the May Square because of their own will... They just stood there making noise in front of the Government House; are you telling me that if the laws were the same as in New York they could have all been arrested?

Who gives a shit about Buenos Aires? We're talking NYC. And besides, South American countries don't exactly have a great track record when it comes to public protests. The laws of the City say you need a permit to gather a certain number of people (I don't know how many) on public (meaning City) property. That's just the way it is.

Wrong. You must apply to the City for a permit for a demonstration. The permit requirement has been upheld as constitutional.

Wrong. A permit being denied was unconstitutional.

What the hell are you talking about? It wasn't a tragedy. A fire in a crowded night club that kills dozens is a tragedy. A drunk driver who kills a family driving home from church is a tragedy. September 11th goes way beyond a tragedy. Our Country was attacked. And you're saying that the President can't mention the attack in trying to galvanize support for the war against terrorism? Like FDR never mentioned Pearl Harbor in his reelection campaign in '44. Now stop drinking the liberal KoolAid before it kills you.
and you kill your point by accusing me of partisanship. your point now has no meaning and is obviously petty partisanship.

Who gives a shit about Buenos Aires? We're talking NYC. And besides, South American countries don't exactly have a great track record when it comes to public protests. The laws of the City say you need a permit to gather a certain number of people (I don't know how many) on public (meaning City) property. That's just the way it is.
1800 people..in new york city? wow, there must be a permit required everyday

Who gives a shit about Buenos Aires? We're talking NYC. And besides, South American countries don't exactly have a great track record when it comes to public protests. The laws of the City say you need a permit to gather a certain number of people (I don't know how many) on public (meaning City) property. That's just the way it is.
First of all: I realize you are a little bit overexited right now, but try not to insult unnecesarely.
Second: I realize how good knowledge you have of the world putting all countries of South America in the same bag :rolleyes:
Third: 'you need a permit', that's exactly what my example was for: who's to tramit a fucking permit when no one expected the meeting to occur?! I care shit about law if it goes against common sense and the laws of phisics :D
Fourth: Kiss my ass.

Thank you, have a nice day. :sniper:

First of all: I realize you are a little bit overexited right now, but try not to insult unnecesarely.
Second: I realize how good knowledge you have of the world putting all countries of South America in the same bag :rolleyes:
Third: 'you need a permit', that's exactly what my example was for: who's to tramit a fucking permit when no one expected the meeting to occur?! I care shit about law if it goes against common sense and the laws of phisics :D
Fourth: Kiss my ass.

Thank you, have a nice day. :sniper:

Wow. Talk about insulting unnecessarily. I'm just arguing a few points here and you and Chess Squares are making ad hominem attacks. What the hell is the point of having debates on these forums when people don't accually debate you but hurl vitriol. Chess Squares accuses me as partisan when he ripped the Republicans in the post I responded to. This is not worth my time and effort if people can't act like adults.

Wow. Talk about insulting unnecessarily. I'm just arguing a few points here and you and Chess Squares are making ad hominem attacks. What the hell is the point of having debates on these forums when people don't accually debate you but hurl vitriol. Chess Squares accuses me as partisan when he ripped the Republicans in the post I responded to. This is not worth my time and effort if people can't act like adults.
please dont tell me you pretend to be non partisan. oh please, if you would like to go to a less than partisan website where everyone agrees with you and as such "act like adults" by all means, dont sit there and be a hypocrite here

Wow. Talk about insulting unnecessarily. I'm just arguing a few points here and you and Chess Squares are making ad hominem attacks. What the hell is the point of having debates on these forums when people don't accually debate you but hurl vitriol. Chess Squares accuses me as partisan when he ripped the Republicans in the post I responded to. This is not worth my time and effort if people can't act like adults.
Yes! One less goon to talk to. You give them some of their own medicine and they run like if Bush was coming after them with a speech. :D

Yes! One less goon to talk to. You give them some of their own medicine and they run like if Bush was coming after them with a speech. :D

Yeah. You told me.

please dont tell me you pretend to be non partisan. oh please, if you would like to go to a less than partisan website where everyone agrees with you and as such "act like adults" by all means, dont sit there and be a hypocrite here

I never said I wasn't partisan. But it's apparently OK for you to tow the party line but God forbid if I do. All you liberals are the same. You respond to logic with insults. Go ahead. Yeah, I'm a hypocrite and a poo head. OK. You win. I'll just go over in to corner and cry because I can't stand up to the intellectual Titan that you are.

Yeah. You told me.

No I didn't. I didn't use a worthwhile argument with you because you are not worth it, so I used the same BS you used.

Now... unless you are an undecided coward, start ignoring me because 'I can't act like an adult' instead of being the grown up you are (specially showing in using sentences like 'Yeah. You told me.' when you haven't answered to the actual content of my second post)

I never said I wasn't partisan. But it's apparently OK for you to tow the party line but God forbid if I do. All you liberals are the same. You respond to logic with insults. Go ahead. Yeah, I'm a hypocrite and a poo head. OK. You win. I'll just go over in to corner and cry because I can't stand up to the intellectual Titan that you are.
congrats your a hypocrite. you ARE partisan, despite what you would like to lead us to believe. if you dont like us here throwing your faulty logic and lies back at you, pelase go to some lame republican forum where you can sit around patting each other on the back for spreading misinformation and harassing those "evil liberals"

ok Chess squares,

what is a mass accidental gathering with a political potential

has no leaders or rules set up, no control, no permit.

Could end up as a riot

I approve of the NYPD responded to it.


oh and before you start complaining about my partisianship

I'm what is known as MODERATE liberal.

I go down the middle and can accept compromise, seems like a word you don't understand.

Social Issues/Enviroment
Left
Military/Gun Issues
Right.

you on the other hand only seem to insult, are extremely partisan in the fact that anything coming from the right of your opinion is wrong and that person must be a moron for even being different than you.

Liberal means open minded and willing to accept change, you can't seem to do that.

i will not stand for blatant ignorance and blind hypocrisy as is exhibited by lex terrae, to hell with open minded. you want to accept it go ahead

i will not stand for blatant ignorance and blind hypocrisy as is exhibited by lex terrae, to hell with open minded. you want to accept it go ahead


no i don't stand behind ignorance, but I will stand behind is the control of a mob and protection of Public and Private Property.

Reminds me of the 60's. Apart from we had a purpose, why the hell were they marching anyway?

no i don't stand behind ignorance, but I will stand behind is the control of a mob and protection of Public and Private Property.
how 1800 people in a new york city park constitute a mob im not sure, and i highly doubt that is what they were arrested for

how 1800 people in a new york city park constitute a mob im not sure, and i highly doubt that is what they were arrested for


regardless of where you are 1800 people gathering in a crowd is a mob.

and besides, the couldn't have arrested everyone so there were probably more than 1800 people.

200 people gathering can be a mob.

1800 people can do a lot of damage

How would you like 1800 people to come through your neighborhood, and take whatever they want or vandilize whatever they want. Mob have a tendency to do that.

If a mob is peaceful and law abiding and organized, its a demonstration if 1800 people just gather up without a permit(illegal if on Public property), perfrom acts of civil disobedience(nice language for openly and blatanly breaking the law)

WHAT THE HELL DO THEY EXPECT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

the police's job is to make sure there is no damage, traffic isn't disrupted and no one gets hurt.

Assist and Protect remember?

While I agree that the gathering was illegal, I disagree with one aspect of the mass arrests.

2 members of my college newspaper, the Daily Kent Stater, were covering the protest and were swept up in it. When they presented press passes to the NYPD, they were told that their passes weren't legitmate, and were arrested.

And on a side note, I dispise anyone who doesn't use logical thought, reguardless of political affiliation. Try to keep the ad hominum attacks to a minimum, even if others are doing the same to you.

I'd love to have been on the cop's side and been in charge of tear gas.

I personally know a girl who was doing an internship with the Associated Press at the Republican convention, and she was arrested DESPITE having the proper press credentials WITH her. She was near the protestors so she could get pictures when the police just surrounded the entire group of people, whether they were protesting or not, and arrested them all (rather forcefully). The Secret Service even confirmed that her credentials were legitimate, and they then proceeded to tell the NYPD to arrest her anyway.

...perfrom acts of civil disobedience(nice language for openly and blatanly breaking the law) ...

What about Ghandi? Martin Luther King, Jr.? I think civil disobedience can have extremely positive imacts.
...All you liberals are the same...
I kind of resent that, I'm a liberal, but I'm certainly nothing like Chess Squares.

I'm not saying it can't have a positive impact as well. But if you break the law knowingly and get arrested don't whine about it. Write to your rep and try to bring about change.

I'd love to have been on the cop's side and been in charge of tear gas.


Tear gas is no fun for anyone

I'm in the Army and i have been gassed before. didn't enjoy any of it.

Stuff is definetly not good.

No replies to this? What's wrong with you people? I wouldn't live in the US, even if I was born there, after shit like this.

So the police do not arrest people who break the law in your country? I would not want to live in a country like that.

So the police do not arrest people who break the law in your country? I would not want to live in a country like that.
Part of the point (at least in my eyes) is that many of the people arrested were NOT breaking any laws. They were innocent bystanders.

Maybe those morons forgot about September 11th but the NYPD sure have not.
I'm not from round here - we'll, I'm from round here but here's in England. From over here I can't see the connection between a bunch of people protesting about something and terrorists crashing planes into tall buildings.

Can anyone enlighten me?

regardless of where you are 1800 people gathering in a crowd is a mob.
Must point that out to the local vicar next time we have a village fete.

I'm not from round here - we'll, I'm from round here but here's in England. From over here I can't see the connection between a bunch of people protesting about something and terrorists crashing planes into tall buildings.

Can anyone enlighten me?
I don't see the connection either...anybody care to explain?

So the police do not arrest people who break the law in your country? I would not want to live in a country like that.

Yes they do, and the same way a lot of times they arrest inocents and let go criminals, as in the USA and many other places. I don't take law as sacred or even something to be respected; law is suppoused to make living better for everyone by giving up certain rights (according to "social contract" partidaries that is, not me). If a law is morally, logically and pragmatically wrong, then to hell with that law.