NationStates Jolt Archive

Wow, this is the strongest case against Bush's domestic policy yet.

http://maxspeak.org/mt/archives/000818.html#more

The list of signatories is mind-boggling.

I fail to see how that trumps this:

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_environment/rsi/page.cfm?pageID=1322
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_environment/rsi/page.cfm?pageID=1449

Signers include 48 Nobel laureates, 62 National Medal of Science recipients, and 135 members of the National Academy of Sciences.

But it certainly adds to the case.

How so many distinguished people can be wrong is beyond me, but there is the evidence.

How so many distinguished people can be wrong is beyond me, but there is the evidence.

Where?

Where?

I don't know, I did not even read the damn things.

I don't know, I did not even read the damn things.

In other words, you are so close-minded to the idea that Bush might have done something wrong that you will not even examine the evidence to the contrary. Gotcha.

I don't know, I did not even read the damn things.

Wow. I echo Dempublicents response.

In other words, you are so close-minded to the idea that Bush might have done something wrong that you will not even examine the evidence to the contrary. Gotcha.

No, it just looks like the same old tired arguments. Global warming and economic disaster. As if a Bush reelection would mean the stock market will collapse AND the polar ice cap will melt on the same day.

In other words, you are so close-minded to the idea that Bush might have done something wrong that you will not even examine the evidence to the contrary. Gotcha.

Yup! :) That's our Biff!

No, it just looks like the same old tired arguments. Global warming and economic disaster. As if a Bush reelection would mean the stock market will collapse AND the polar ice cap will melt on the same day.

It's so nice to see that there's someone here who does not let facts get in the way of their opinionations. :)

It's so nice to see that there's someone here who does not let facts get in the way of their opinionations. :)

Oh, I can look at the facts, but the divide has gotten so wide that they are hard to see anymore. What was once fact is now fiction and vice-versa. Neither side has a leg to stand on, but we have to choose one. So I go with the guy I hate less. For all his faults, I would hate to see Bush taken out by a sniper. Kerry is free game.

No, it just looks like the same old tired arguments. Global warming and economic disaster. As if a Bush reelection would mean the stock market will collapse AND the polar ice cap will melt on the same day.

Well you sure seem to be basing that on a lot. I would bet that the people who signed these letters are more educated than you (as well as myself) on their subjects, and I would hope that if a person knows that much to start, that when a damning letter critisizing the president is signed by the many prestigious and credible people of their respective fields, a plain objective observation might tell me that there is reason to beleive that they know what they are talking about.

It would make a HELL of a lot more sense than sweeping it all away because it's critisizing the president, and saying that the entire business section of Harvard has lost touch with reality and that the president has, despite what they say, done a flawless job with the economy.

Nevermind even all of that, the fact that you will judge it without looking into it's argument alone, is pretty ridiculous, regardless of any left wing/right wing standpoint.

No, it just looks like the same old tired arguments. Global warming and economic disaster. As if a Bush reelection would mean the stock market will collapse AND the polar ice cap will melt on the same day.

Actually you should read it because they don't make that claim at all.

They are pointing out the problems and problems that could very well occur with his promises.

They make some compelling arguments.

As a Libertarian, I thought you would weigh such things. ;)

Actually you should read it because they don't make that claim at all.

They are pointing out the problems and problems that could very well occur with his promises.

They make some compelling arguments.

As a Libertarian, I thought you would weigh such things. ;)

I might look into them later. Right now I am working on a proposal to sell $1,000,000 worth of ice cream and don't have the time. I work and post at the same time....

Oh, I can look at the facts, but the divide has gotten so wide that they are hard to see anymore. What was once fact is now fiction and vice-versa. Neither side has a leg to stand on, but we have to choose one. So I go with the guy I hate less. For all his faults, I would hate to see Bush taken out by a sniper. Kerry is free game.

Ok I will bite this one.

Do explain that statement fact vs fiction with the posted letter.

I might look into them later. Right now I am working on a proposal to sell $1,000,000 worth of ice cream and don't have the time. I work and post at the same time....


Actually, the letter from the business professors is pretty short, like 3/4 a page. It's merely the signatories that make one's head spin.

No, it just looks like the same old tired arguments. Global warming and economic disaster. As if a Bush reelection would mean the stock market will collapse AND the polar ice cap will melt on the same day.

Of course, you ignore the entire issue, which is not the idea of whether global warming is occurring. The issue is that Bush, to an unprecedented degree, has attempted to politicize and censor science. He has appointed advisors prominent in their field only to dismiss them when they are getting ready to make a report that he doesn't like. He then replaces them with people who have no standing in their field, but are willing to tell him what he wants to hear.

In addition, the USDA, for example, has to get all papers approved if they say anything about subjects that Bush might get called out on before publishing them. Thus, if the USDA has anything about say, nuclear cell transfer, that might make Bush look bad by actually educating Americans about what it is. Therefore, they cannot publish without permission. It is idiotic.

Yet more proof that this country cannot take 4 more years of the cokehead.

I sure hope Kerry brings it up this Friday.

Oh, I can look at the facts, but the divide has gotten so wide that they are hard to see anymore. What was once fact is now fiction and vice-versa. Neither side has a leg to stand on, but we have to choose one. So I go with the guy I hate less. For all his faults, I would hate to see Bush taken out by a sniper. Kerry is free game.

Your 'Kerry is fair game' remark right there is pretty amazing, and an ingenious way of getting the FBI's attention, should they be monitoring any of this.

And secondly, NO. There are legs to stand on. It's a matter of finding them. The facts are hard to see? Fair enough. But leave it at that. For christ sake, you just flat out admitted you support Bush, even if you aren't sure that his side is right. That if you aren't sure, hey, just go with Bush. That's exactly what keeps mass ignorance FAR more powerful than it ought to be in the U.S. or rather, those who profit off mass ignorance.

You have to be open to the possibility that your own side is wrong. You'll never make any steps forward in personal philosophy if you can't do this! Republicans, Democrats, everyone. When a report comes out signed by many of the greatest minds in that respective field and they have something important and well-founded to say, you ought to give it serious consideration. Regardless of whether it goes against your allegiances. ESPECIALLY if it goes against your allegiances. It'd be one thing if this was the National Enquirer. It isn't.

Yet more proof that this country cannot take 4 more years of the cokehead.

Don't you mean alchy? ;)

Wow:

Respectfully submitted,


Francis Aguilar
Professor of Business Administration, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

Ramon J. Aldag
Glen A. Skillrud Family Chair in Business
School of Business, University of Wisconsin-Madison

Teresa M. Amabile
Edsel Bryant Ford Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Kenneth R. Andrews
Ross Graham Walker Professor Management Controls, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

James E. Austin
Eliot I. Snider and Family Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Joseph L. Badaracco
John Shad Professor of Business Ethics
Harvard Business School

Lotte Bailyn
T Wilson (1953) Professor of Management
MIT Sloan School of Management

George P. Baker
Herman C. Krannert Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Louis B. Barnes
John D. Black Professor, Emeritus; Professor of Organizational Behavior, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

James N. Baron
Walter Kenneth Kilpatrick Professor of Organizational Behavior and Human Resources
Graduate School of Business, Stanford University


Jean M. Bartunek
Robert A. and Evelyn J. Ferris Chair, Professor of Organization Studies
Carroll School of Management, Boston College

Yehuda Bassock
Professor
Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California

Thomas A. Bausch
Professor
College of Business Administration, Marquette University

Max H. Bazerman
Jesse Isidor Straus Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Cynthia Beath
Professor Emeritus
McCombs School of Business, University of Texas at Austin

Michael Beer
Cahners-Rabb Professor of Business Administration, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

Jack N. Behrman
Luther Hodges Distinguished Professor Emeritus
Kenan-Flagler Business School, University of North Carolina

Norman A. Berg
MBA Class of 1958 Professor of Business Administration, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

Barbara Bird
Associate Professor of Management
Kogod School of Business, American University

John E. Bishop
Professor of Business Administration, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

Robert B. Bostrom
L. Edmund Rast Professor of Business
Terry College of Business, University of Georgia

Joseph L. Bower
Donald K. David Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Stephen P. Bradley
William Ziegler Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Arthur P. Brief
Lawrence Martin Professor of Business
Freeman School of Business, Tulane University

Phillip Bromiley
Curtis L. Carlson Chair in Strategic Management
Carlson School of Management, University of Minnesota

Alfred D. Chandler
Isidor Straus Professor Business History, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

Chao C. Chen
Professor
Rutgers Business School, Rutgers University

Charles J. Corbett
Associate Professor of Operations Management and Environmental Management
UCLA Anderson School of Management

Thomas G. Cummings
Professor
Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California

Michael Cusumano
Sloan Management Review Distinguished Professor
MIT Sloan School of Management

Fariborz Damanpour
Professor
Rutgers Business School


Jose de la Torre
Dean, Chapman Graduate School of Business
Florida International University

John A. Deighton
Harold M. Brierley Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Rohit Deshpande
Sebastian S. Kresge Professor of Marketing
Harvard Business School

Nancy DiTomaso
Professor
Rutgers Business School--Newark and New Brunswick

Jane E. Dutton
Professor
University of Michigan Business School

Amy Edmondson
Professor
Harvard Business School

Benjamin C. Esty
Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Ronald F. Fariña
Associate Professor
Daniels College of Business, University of Denver

James A. Fitzsimmons
William H. Seay Centennial Professor of Business
McCombs School of Business, University of Texas at Austin

James W. Fredrickson
Tom E. Nelson, Jr. Regents Professor of Business
McCombs School of Business, University of Texas at Austin

Sherwood C. Frey, Jr.
Ethyl Corporation Professor of Business Administration
Darden Graduate School of Business Administration, University of Virginia

Cynthia V. Fukami
Professor
Daniels College of Business, University of Denver

Pankaj Ghemawat
Jaime and Josefina Chua Tiampo Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Stephen M. Gilbert
Associate Professor
McCombs School of Business, University of Texas at Austin

James R. Glenn, Jr.
Professor of Management
College of Business, San Francisco State University

Leslie E. Grayson
Isidore Horween Research Professor, Emeritus
Darden Graduate School of Business Administration, University of Virginia

Jerry R. Green
Daniel A. Wells Professor of Political Economy,
John Leverett Professor in the University
Harvard Business School

Leonard Greenhalgh
Professor of Management
Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth

Douglas T. Hall
Professor of Organizational Behavior
Boston University School of Management

Rebecca M. Henderson
Eastman Kodak LFM Professor
MIT Sloan School of Management

Linda A. Hill
Wallace Brett Donham Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School


Raymond Hogler
Professor of Management
College of Business, Colorado State University

Yasheng Huang
Associate Professor of International Management
MIT Sloan School of Management

Mariann Jelinek
The Richard C. Kraemer Professor of Business Strategy
School of Business, College of William & Mary

David B. Jemison
Foster Parker Centennial Professor of Management and Finance
McCombs School of Business, University of Texas at Austin

John M. Jermier
Exide Professor of Sustainable Enterprise Research
College of Business, University of South Florida

Shulamit Kahn
Associate Professor
Boston University School of Management

Kate M. Kaiser
Associate Professor
College of Business, Marquette University

Rosabeth M. Kanter
Ernest L. Arbuckle Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Steven O. Kimbrough
Professor
The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania

Stephen J. Kobrin
Wurster Professor of Multinational Management
The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania

Thomas A. Kochan
George Maverick Bunker Professor of Work and Employment Relations
MIT Sloan School of Management

Nancy F. Koehn
James E. Robison Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Howard Kunreuther
Cecilia Yen Koo Professor of Decision Sciences and Public Policy
The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania

Rajiv Lal
Stanley Roth, Sr. Professor of Retailing
Harvard Business School

Theresa Lant
Associate Professor of Management
Stern School of Business, New York University

Paul R. Lawrence
Wallace Brett Donham Professor of Organizational Behavior, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

Carrie R. Leana
Professor of Business Administration and of Public and International Affairs
Katz Graduate School of Business, University of Pittsburgh

Dorothy A. Leonard
William J. Abernathy Professor of Business Administration, Emerita
Harvard Business School

Herman B. Leonard
Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Donald R. Lessard
Epoch Foundation Professor of International Management
MIT Sloan School of Management

Daniel A. Levinthal
Julian Aresty Professor of Management and Economics
The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania


E. Allan Lind
Thomas A. Finch Professor of Business Administration
Fuqua School of Business, Duke University

Richard M. Locke
Alvin J. Siteman Professor of Entrepreneurship and Political Science
MIT Sloan School of Management

George C. Lodge
Jaime and Josefina Chua Tiampo Professor of Business Administration, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

Jay W. Lorsch
Louis E. Kirstein Professor of Human Relations
Harvard Business School

Michael Magazine
Professor
College of Business, University of Cincinnati

Michael R. Manning
Professor of Management
College of Business Administration & Economics, New Mexico State University

Theodore R. Marmor
Professor of Public Policy and Management
Yale School of Management and Political Science Department

Joanne Martin
Merrill Professor of Organizational Behavior
Graduate School of Business, Stanford University

Thomas K. McCraw
Isidor Straus Professor of Business History
Harvard Business School

Anita M. McGahan
Professor and Everett W. Lord Distinguished Faculty Scholar
Boston University School of Management

Kathleen L. McGinn
Cahners-Rabb Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Robert P. McGowan
Professor
Daniels College of Business, University of Denver

Robert C. Merton
John and Natty McArthur University Professor
Harvard Business School

David M. Messick
Kaplan Professor of Ethics and Decision in Management
Kellogg School of Management, Northwestern University

Alan D. Meyer
Charles H. Lundquist Professor of Entrepreneurial Management
Lundquist College of Business, University of Oregon

Marshall W. Meyer
Richard A. Sapp Professor, Professor of Management and Sociology
The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania

Richard F. Meyer
Thomas D. Casserly, Jr. Professor of Business Administration, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

Ian Mitroff
Harold Quinton Distinguished Professor of Business Policy
Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California

Cynthia A. Montgomery
Timken Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

David A. Moss
John G. McLean Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

J. Keith Murnighan
Harold H. Hines Jr. Distinguished Professor of Risk Management
Kellogg School of Management, Northwestern University


Steven Nahmias
Professor
Leavey School of Business, Santa Clara University

Barry Nalebuff
Milton Steinbach Professor of Management
Yale School of Management

Das Narayandas
Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Paul Newman
Clark W. Thompson, Jr. Chair in Accounting
McCombs School of Business, University of Texas at Austin

William Ocasio
John L. and Helen Kellogg Distinguished Professor of Management and Organizations
Kellogg School of Management, Northwestern University

Paul Osterman
NTU Professor of Human Resources and Management
MIT Sloan School of Management

Lynn S. Paine
John G. McLean Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Johannes M. Pennings
Marie and Joseph Melone Professor
The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania

Margaret Peteraf
Associate Professor of Business Administration
Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth

Joel Podolny
Novartis Professor of Leadership and Management
Harvard Business School

John W. Pratt
William Ziegler Professor Business Administration, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

Drazen Prelec
Professor of Management Science
MIT Sloan School of Management

Keith G. Provan
Eller Professor of Public Administration & Policy
Eller College of Management, University of Arizona

Ronald E. Purser
Professor of Management
College of Business, San Francisco State University

Roy Radner
L. N. Stern School Professor of Business
Stern School of Business, New York University

Daniel Raff
Associate Professor of Management
The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania

Howard Raiffa
Frank Plumpton Ramsey Professor Managerial Economics, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

V. Kasturi Rangan
Malcolm P. McNair Professor of Marketing
Harvard Business School

Stefan H. Robock
R. D. Calkins Professor of International Business, Emeritus
Graduate School of Business, Columbia University

David Rogers
Professor Emeritus of Management and Sociology
Stern School of Business, New York University

John W. Rosenblum
Dean Emeritus
Darden Graduate School of Business Administration, University of Virginia


Lori Rosenkopf
Associate Professor of Management
The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania

Walter J. Salmon
Stanley Roth, Sr. Professor of Retailing, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

Carol Saunders
Professor of MIS
College of Business Administration, University of Central Florida

Melissa A. Schilling
Associate Professor
Stern School of Business, New York University

Arthur Schleifer, Jr.
James J. Hill Professor of Business Administration, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

Claudia B. Schoonhoven
Professor of Organization and Strategy
Graduate School of Management, University of California, Irvine

Bruce R. Scott
Paul Whiton Cherington Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Michael S. Scott-Morton
Jay W. Forester Professor of Management, Emeritus
MIT Sloan School of Management

James K. Sebenius
Gordon Donaldson Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Benson P. Shapiro
Malcolm P. McNair Professor of Marketing, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

Roy D. Shapiro
Philip Caldwell Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

William F. Sharpe
STANCO 25 Professor of Finance, Emeritus
Stanford Business School

Alvin J. Silk
Lincoln Filene Professor of Business Administration, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

Harbir Singh
Edward H. Bowman Professor of Management
The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania

Jitendra V. Singh
Saul P. Steinberg Professor of Management
The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania

Sim B. Sitkin
Associate Professor
Fuqua School of Business, Duke University

William B. Snavely
Professor of Management
Richard T. Farmer School of Business, Miami University

Olav Sorenson
Associate Professor
UCLA Anderson School of Management

Debora L. Spar
Spangler Family Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Richard Staelin
Edward and Rose Donnell Professor of Business Administration
Fuqua School of Business, Duke University

William H. Starbuck
ITT Professor of Creative Management
Stern School of Business, New York University


John Sterman
Jay W. Forester Professor of Management
MIT Sloan School of Management

Richard S. Tedlow
MBA class of 1949 Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Ramkrishnan V. Tenkasi
Professor of Organization Change
College of Business and Technology, Benedictine University

David A. Thomas
Naylor Fitzhugh Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

William R. Torbert
Professor
Carroll School of Management, Boston College

Anne S. Tsui
Motorola Professor
W.P. Carey School of Business, Arizona State University

Michael L. Tushman
Paul R. Lawrence MBA Class of 1942 Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Karl T. Ulrich
Professor of Operations and Information Management
The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania

Garrett J. van Ryzin
Paul M. Montrone Professor of Private Enterprise
Graduate School of Business, Columbia University

N. Venkat Venkatraman
David J. McGrath Jr. Professor of Management
Boston University School of Management

Richard H. K. Vietor
Senator John Heinz Professor of Environmental Management
Harvard Business School

Sandra Waddock
Professor of Management
Carroll School of Management, Boston College

Melanie Wallendorf
Eller Professor of Marketing
Eller College of Management, University of Arizona

Richard T. Watson
J. Rex Fuqua Distinguished Chair for Internet Strategy
Terry College of Business, University of Georgia

David Weil
Associate Professor of Economics
Boston University School of Management

Louis T. Wells
Herbert F. Johnson Professor of International Management
Harvard Business School

Patricia H. Werhane
Ruffin Professor of Business Ethics
Darden Graduate School of Business Administration, University of Virginia

Birger Wernerfelt
J. C. Penney Professor of Management Science
MIT Sloan School of Management

D. Eleanor Westney
Society of Sloan Fellows Chair in Management
MIT Sloan School of Management

James D. Westphal
Ed and Molly Smith Chair in Business Administration
McCombs School of Business, University of Texas at Austin

Robert B. Wilson
Adams Distinguished Professor of Management, Emeritus
Stanford Business School


Sid Winter
Deloitte and Touche Professor of Management
The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania

JoAnne Yates
Sloan Distinguished Professor of Management
MIT Sloan School of Management

David B. Yoffie
Max and Doris Starr Professor of International Business Administration
Harvard Business School

Abraham Zaleznik
Konosuke Matsushita Professor of Leadership, Emeritus
Harvard Business School

Ray Zammuto
Professor of Management
Business School, University of Colorado at Denver

Paul H. Zipkin
The T. Austin Finch, Sr. Professor of Business
Fuqua School of Business, Duke University


The above tenured or emeritus professors have signed in their individual capacities. The letter represents the signers’ own views, not those of the institutions with which they are affiliated.


That is a lot.

Wow:


That is a lot.

...and business school professors are sooooooo liberal. :rolleyes:

Your 'Kerry is fair game' remark right there is pretty amazing, and an ingenious way of getting the FBI's attention, should they be monitoring any of this.

And secondly, NO. There are legs to stand on. It's a matter of finding them. The facts are hard to see? Fair enough. But leave it at that. For christ sake, you just flat out admitted you support Bush, even if you aren't sure that his side is right. That if you aren't sure, hey, just go with Bush. That's exactly what keeps mass ignorance FAR more powerful than it ought to be in the U.S. or rather, those who profit off mass ignorance.

You have to be open to the possibility that your own side is wrong. You'll never make any steps forward in personal philosophy if you can't do this! Republicans, Democrats, everyone. When a report comes out signed by many of the greatest minds in that respective field and they have something important and well-founded to say, you ought to give it serious consideration. Regardless of whether it goes against your allegiances. ESPECIALLY if it goes against your allegiances. It'd be one thing if this was the National Enquirer. It isn't.

Actually, my side is right. Unfortuantely my side (Libertarian) do not stand a chance in hell of convincing the sheep that the two idiots they are choosing from are the wrong choices. So i go with who appeals to my interests. Kerry does not at all. I do not care to pay more taxes for his "feel good" programs. I do not agree with Bush much either, but he will do a better job with defense and that is a major concern of mine.

Actually, my side is right. Unfortuantely my side (Libertarian) do not stand a chance in hell of convincing the sheep that the two idiots they are choosing from are the wrong choices. So i go with who appeals to my interests. Kerry does not at all. I do not care to pay more taxes for his "feel good" programs. I do not agree with Bush much either, but he will do a better job with defense and that is a major concern of mine.
You make 200 k a year?

ARE you sure about that? What do you do for a living?

Actually, my side is right. Unfortuantely my side (Libertarian) do not stand a chance in hell of convincing the sheep that the two idiots they are choosing from are the wrong choices. So i go with who appeals to my interests. Kerry does not at all. I do not care to pay more taxes for his "feel good" programs. I do not agree with Bush much either, but he will do a better job with defense and that is a major concern of mine.

Biff, while it is true that Kerry voted for raising taxes 98 times (or more correctly, voted for bills that contained, as just one of their points, the raising of taxes,) the Republicans do not want you to know that the total number of times Kerry voted for decreasing taxes (same as parenthetical statement above,) is greater.

...and business school professors are sooooooo liberal. :rolleyes:


Oh so that makes them wrong?

Biff: Are Bush and Kerry the only two options you get in your state? That's got to suck.

Oh so that makes them wrong?

uh, I was the one who posted this article. My sarcastic point is that I would suspect that Business School professors to be less liberal than most other professors, therefore their point of view should be more acceptible to the Bush rank and file. Easy with those hackles, son, I'm on your side.

Actually, my side is right. Unfortuantely my side (Libertarian) do not stand a chance in hell of convincing the sheep that the two idiots they are choosing from are the wrong choices. So i go with who appeals to my interests. Kerry does not at all. I do not care to pay more taxes for his "feel good" programs. I do not agree with Bush much either, but he will do a better job with defense and that is a major concern of mine.

Yup you are a libert. Everybody is a mindless sheep because they don't agree with the liberterians.

Or as Bardnack said in a recent interview on NPR "you are certificably insane if you keep doing the same thing that makes no sense.(voting republican or democrat)"

Damn and Liberterians wonder why they can't gain power.

Oh, I can look at the facts, but the divide has gotten so wide that they are hard to see anymore. It's even easier when you refuse to look. ;)What was once fact is now fiction and vice-versa. Neither side has a leg to stand on, but we have to choose one. So I go with the guy I hate less. For all his faults, I would hate to see Bush taken out by a sniper. Kerry is free game.

Why?

uh, I was the one who posted this article. My sarcastic point is that I would suspect that Business School professors to be less liberal than most other professors, therefore their point of view should be more acceptible to the Bush rank and file. Easy with those hackles, son, I'm on your side.

Doh!

Damn I am an american as I can't perceive sarcasm! ;)

Actually, my side is right. Unfortuantely my side (Libertarian) do not stand a chance in hell of convincing the sheep that the two idiots they are choosing from are the wrong choices. So i go with who appeals to my interests. Kerry does not at all. I do not care to pay more taxes for his "feel good" programs. I do not agree with Bush much either, but he will do a better job with defense and that is a major concern of mine.

Ok. Whether you prefer Bush to Kerry has little to directly do with whether the letter is right or wrong, but nonetheless you made that your topic of choice in response. This wasn't about who you'd vote for. Kerry doesn't appeal to your interests? Big deal. Not the subject. So far what I have got is: because you support Bush, and this letter is against him, you think the letter is wrong, and in the face of all the facts and good men behind it, that is awful reasoning.

But that is different from whether the people who have signed these letters are right. And it still holds up as a damning statement against how Bush has worked with the economy, and with the environment.

You've said that your side is right. You can do that, but you still have to explain yourself, and with the letter presented, you are left with a LOT to answer for.

I am not a huge fan of Bush, but all of those signatures are from professors at extremely liberal intitutions. Their word is entirely biased. There are plenty of people in the business world who would agree with Bush's economic policies.

Actually, my side is right. Unfortuantely my side (Libertarian) do not stand a chance in hell of convincing the sheep that the two idiots they are choosing from are the wrong choices. So i go with who appeals to my interests. Kerry does not at all. I do not care to pay more taxes for his "feel good" programs. I do not agree with Bush much either, but he will do a better job with defense and that is a major concern of mine.

Osama Bin Ladin is alive and well in the territories of either our ally Afghanistan or our ally Pakistan, and Bush has stated that he is no longer that concerned with him. We gave up the hunt for him to attack an aging and defanged dictator (one of maybe dozens of horrible rulers in this world) whose only WMD capablities were to eventually restart programs (if and when we ever repealed sanctions which there was no reason to think that we or the UN would do), and who had not attacked any other nation for about a decade or so.

Biff, how can you think that that drunken AWOL daddy's-little-guardsman would do a better job on defence than Kerry?

Osama Bin Ladin is alive and well in the territories of either our ally Afghanistan or our ally Pakistan, and Bush has stated that he is no longer that concerned with him. We gave up the hunt for him to attack an aging and defanged dictator (one of maybe dozens of horrible rulers in this world) whose only WMD capablities were to eventually restart programs (if and when we ever repealed sanctions which there was no reason to think that we or the UN would do), and who had not attacked any other nation for about a decade or so.

Biff, how can you think that that drunken AWOL daddy's-little-guardsman would do a better job on defence than Kerry?
To be fair he did give up drinking but he was awol.

I am not a huge fan of Bush, but all of those signatures are from professors at extremely liberal intitutions. Their word is entirely biased. There are plenty of people in the business world who would agree with Bush's economic policies.

Didn't W fail every business that he ever ran?

Who are these business people that think Bush's economic policies are sound? Find me one.

Oh and extra points (for me) if it's simply one that benefits from them at the expence of America, such as by sending jobs overseas, incorporating in no-corporate-tax nations, or getting no-bid contracts to rebuild nations we've attacked.

In other words, you are so close-minded to the idea that Bush might have done something wrong that you will not even examine the evidence to the contrary. Gotcha.

Well, that's our Biff :)

I am not a huge fan of Bush, but all of those signatures are from professors at extremely liberal intitutions. Their word is entirely biased. There are plenty of people in the business world who would agree with Bush's economic policies.

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Are you seriously suggesting that Ivy League Business Professors are liberal?

Please. Do the world a favor. Do not breed. Even if your sister is really cute, resist the temptation.

Do not breed. Even if your sister is really cute, resist the temptation.

:D

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Are you seriously suggesting that Ivy League Business Professors are liberal?

Please. Do the world a favor. Do not breed. Even if your sister is really cute, resist the temptation.
So when did Schools get branded title "liberal" anyway? And I'm bad at sarcasism, IVY leagues aren't?

So when did Schools get branded title "liberal" anyway? And I'm bad at sarcasism, IVY leagues aren't?

Well, Ivy League philosophy, art, social sciences, etc...schools are probably liberal. Ivy League Business schools, though?

So when did Schools get branded title "liberal" anyway? And I'm bad at sarcasism, IVY leagues aren't?

The point isn't the fact they are liberal or not.

It's the fact that those who spit "LIBERAL" schools!; forget that their dear President attended both Yale and Harvard.

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Are you seriously suggesting that Ivy League Business Professors are liberal?

Please. Do the world a favor. Do not breed. Even if your sister is really cute, resist the temptation.

If his sister's really cute, can I...? :D

j/k ;)

The point isn't the fact they are liberal or not.

It's the fact that those who spit "LIBERAL" schools!; forget that their dear President attended both Yale and Harvard.
Everyone knows Bush is a Liberal as is Rush Limbaugh. Just look hoqw they describe the term. Describes Bush very closely.
By the way Rush is a official Advisor for Bush, so its fair to talk about him.

In addition, the USDA, for example, has to get all papers approved if they say anything about subjects that Bush might get called out on before publishing them. Thus, if the USDA has anything about say, nuclear cell transfer, that might make Bush look bad by actually educating Americans about what it is. Therefore, they cannot publish without permission. It is idiotic.
Yeah, this is true. The political department of the White House, led by Karl Rove, is a (the?) leading influence in all decisions taken - so I've heard.

A Bush victory in November will be perfect. Four more years of socially divisive fiscal mismanagement, alienation of the American middle class, misguided or just straight-face lies leading to wars which cause death to American soldiers, will polarise the American people in a way that has never been seen since Vietnam.

Bush is leading the way to a new Marxist revival in America. Vote Bush 94!

Who are these business people that think Bush's economic policies are sound? Find me one.
No doubt the folks at Halliburton like Bush's economic policies.

This seems to me just one of the few more nails Bush needs to seal his fate in November. If more prestigious members of the scientific and business communities did this then Bush would already be out of office. Assuming the news channels covered it at least, and I don't trust them to tell the truth

It's pretty damning when you have the best and brightest in science and business all calling Bush's policies a disaster. Throw in the many Generals (including General John Eisenhower, a Republican for 50 years until now,) and former ambassadors who are supporting Kerry and you have a pretty clear picture that Bush has to go. Period.

Biff: Are Bush and Kerry the only two options you get in your state? That's got to suck.

No, but my first choice has NO chance of winning. This race is TOO close to allow a Kerry victory. Bush is hardly perfect, but he is strong on defense.

What the Kerry people who continue to rant about jobs and the economy do not seem to realize is that our enemies know they cannot beat us militarily, so they hit us where they can do real damage. They attack economic targets. 9-11 did a terrible amount of damage to the economy. Without a strong defense, we won't have to worry about the economy. We won't have one any more.

Kerry will so further weaken the US in the name of social programs that we will all be at risk. He seems incapable of seeing the dangers we face. THATS why i am going to vote for Bush instead of my favored candidate Badnarik.

Osama Bin Ladin is alive and well in the territories of either our ally Afghanistan or our ally Pakistan, and Bush has stated that he is no longer that concerned with him. We gave up the hunt for him to attack an aging and defanged dictator (one of maybe dozens of horrible rulers in this world) whose only WMD capablities were to eventually restart programs (if and when we ever repealed sanctions which there was no reason to think that we or the UN would do), and who had not attacked any other nation for about a decade or so.

Biff, how can you think that that drunken AWOL daddy's-little-guardsman would do a better job on defence than Kerry?

Actually there is a lot of evidence that says OBL is in Iran or even possibly dead. This is what I have believed for quite awhile now as Iran is a sworn enemy of the US and he has not been seen or heard from in about 8 months now. Hunting after one man is not a top priority when there are so many others out there to deal with. We will either find him or his remains in time.

How can I think he will do a better job? because Kerry will pander to the world body rather than take action. I do not want a president who will look for permission from the UN before taking action. The rest of the world is going to think what it will anyway. We in the US have GOT to stop worrying about whether other countries like us. They either will or won't anyway. I am not saying that we should not consult with them, we should, but we should also take our own actions even if others don't agree with us. THAT is called leadership. Kerry is no leader.

You make 200 k a year?

ARE you sure about that? What do you do for a living?

If you actually believe that Kerry will be able to pay for all his pet programs by raising the taxes of those making over 200K alone....then you are sadly deluded. He will soon drop that down to those making 80K a year.

America's political insight... "choose the lesser of two evils".

The next time you walk into the voting booth, look at that little blank area provided on the voting form and use it to write down "None Of The Above". Take back the country from this bipartisan control.

If you actually believe that Kerry will be able to pay for all his pet programs by raising the taxes of those making over 200K alone....then you are sadly deluded. He will soon drop that down to those making 80K a year.

"Pet programs"? Like what, balancing the budget? Those dirty Democrats! :mad:

Actually there is a lot of evidence that says OBL is in Iran or even possibly dead. This is what I have believed for quite awhile now as Iran is a sworn enemy of the US and he has not been seen or heard from in about 8 months now. Hunting after one man is not a top priority when there are so many others out there to deal with. We will either find him or his remains in time.

How can I think he will do a better job? because Kerry will pander to the world body rather than take action. I do not want a president who will look for permission from the UN before taking action. The rest of the world is going to think what it will anyway. We in the US have GOT to stop worrying about whether other countries like us. They either will or won't anyway. I am not saying that we should not consult with them, we should, but we should also take our own actions even if others don't agree with us. THAT is called leadership. Kerry is no leader.

The Kerry in your mind is a lie foisted on you by the Republicans. That is not what he said and that is not what he will do. But there's no explaining that to you, is there? That would require an appreciation of nuanced thought and non-black-and-white ideas, which I will never have the time to impress upon you. So just go ahead and vote for the greater of two evils and hope you have enough left when you retire because if Bush wins, goodbye Social Security that you've been paying into all your life. And hello to FOUR MORE WARS!!! :)

Oh BTW Biff, post some of this evidence on Iran-or-death?

Oh BTW Biff, post some of this evidence on Iran-or-death?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6198344/

here's an article today that suggests Bin Laden is alive and active

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6198344/

here's an article today that suggests Bin Laden is alive and active

...which I already said; he is most likely in the lands of our "friend" Pakistan or our puppet Afghanistan. Nothing in there about Iran.

No, it just looks like the same old tired arguments. Global warming and economic disaster. As if a Bush reelection would mean the stock market will collapse AND the polar ice cap will melt on the same day.
It would appear that you are guilty of contempt prior to investigation and since you are unwilling to do the investigation, how is it possible for you to even begin to make an informed response?

Rhetoric rings hollow?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6198344/

here's an article today that suggests Bin Laden is alive and active
Didn't you know that Bush is not too concerned about Bin Laden anymore (see below)?

No, but my first choice has NO chance of winning. This race is TOO close to allow a Kerry victory. Bush is hardly perfect, but he is strong on defense.

Do you know who pushes defense to be better by coming up with more efficient/faster/stronger weapons? Scientists.

Do you know what profession is getting mad enough to start leaving the country in droves? You got it, scientists.

Didn't you know that Bush is not too concerned about Bin Laden anymore (see below)?
yeah to hell with osama, he is still too busy trying to convince the world saddam was a bigger thread than the rest of the world, COMBINED

Right now I am working on a proposal to sell $1,000,000 worth of ice cream and don't have the time.

my god, the fall of the American empire and you have to sell ice cream. way to go!