NationStates Jolt Archive

Yes. Because I think we need /another/ forum on this.

No, not really. Honestly, forming my own thread is the only way to get some questions answered and get some words in edgewise on others that just happen to full up in two point seven seconds.

Anyway here goes?

Who're you voting for and why? And I don't want to hear any of this "HE'S NOT BUSH!" Stuff. (Though, I do believe that is a very good reason to vote for Kerry). I'm also intereasted in how people from other countries and Canada (Zing. In that... you know... Canada's so much like Amer... I'll shut up before my shoe gets into my lung now) see the situation here.

Oh! And important one! If your undecided, have the debates swayed you either way? And I'm talking the debates, not the spin.

Okay. *puts on steel helmet* Game on!

I'd like to point everyone to this week's TIME magazine, page 38-39. They have a great table of how Kush and Berry "stretched the truth" in the first debate. It's balanced, taking the same issues and showing how each did their own spin...

Here's the link, though it is in text and lacks the formatting of the printed edition.
http://www.time.com/time/election2004/article/0,18471,709071,00.html

i'm not allowed to vote since I'm foreign, but i heard of this quite amusing survey on how the rest of the world would vote if they could. which they cant. but still...
i don't think it's a very representative survey, but -as you all might have guessed- except for 5 countries such as...morocco...and i forgot who the others were, everyone is opposed to bush being reelected. 86% of the 'rest of the world' would vote for kerry.
just thought that might interest you...
i thought it was quite entertaining what people will do when they're -so i'm guessing- bored at work ;)

If I could vote(i'm not old enough yet) I would vote for Bush.

i'm short of the voting age by a couple of years, but i would be voting for Bush, i'm not going into detail about it, cause i've already got enough of a headache as it is, but i will later maybe

Kerry, because I don't want Bush to win and they took Nader of the ballot.

Kerry, because I don't want Bush to win and they took Nader of the ballot.
Kerry because is the closest to Clinton I got. I liked Clinton's deficent reducing policies. I hope Kerry has same policies.
Also a bote for Kerry is a vote to keep Hillary from running for at least 4-8 years, republicans. (Republicans are so scared of her lol)


But I like his ideas. He stood up to Bush and beat him in a debate. He doesn't slouch or look annoyed. I believe in that in a debate.
I like how he tries not to lie. And if he finds out that he is lying he will apologize.
Many times it might be differing opinions but Kerry has yet to lie. A lie is a when you know its a not true and say it. If you think its true you aren't lying.

However, if shown with credible proof (like Bush has been shown about there being no WMD's in Iraq) then they should apologize for misleading people. Even if they were not "lying" purposely.

Also I had a bad feeling about Bush during 2000 Election. He had a bad spirit. I didn't know what it was. But now I do. He still carries that spirit and that is another issue.

i'm not allowed to vote since I'm foreign, but i heard of this quite amusing survey on how the rest of the world would vote if they could. which they cant. but still...
i don't think it's a very representative survey, but -as you all might have guessed- except for 5 countries such as...morocco...and i forgot who the others were, everyone is opposed to bush being reelected. 86% of the 'rest of the world' would vote for kerry.
just thought that might interest you...
i thought it was quite entertaining what people will do when they're -so i'm guessing- bored at work ;)

The rest of the world can't vote in US elections. Otherwise, we'd get someone in their best interests, not ours. That's why no one foreign born can become President. (Note: NOT a Bush endorsement, just stating a fact).

When I had a pee behind Kerry, she slapped me and told me to get off her mother.

So i'd have to say I much prefer a Bush.

That's why no one foreign born can become President. I have never understood that rule. The Oath of Alliegance and becoming a citizen of the USA should be enough to be allowed to run. Just because you might have been born somewhere else does not mean you aren't a loyal citizen.

I guess i will vote for Bush. I am a Dem. but i don't think i can see Kerry as a president. I am at a stage in my life where i think the US economy is the most important factor, after security. Hands down Bush is the leader in these areas. Despite the Tech bubble and 9/11 the economy has been growing and that will keep the US strong. I wish i had a solid dem to vote for though. Maybe i'll write in Dean.....

Being from Illinois, all the dead Daleycrats (separate from the dems.) lock up the elections in favor of the Democrats so I'm debating between Bush (preffered) or Libertatian (2nd choice and to give them numbers)

I think they're (D & R) both clueless on Iraq and the economy. My main issue is gun control and I completely oppose Kerry's views on it.

I have never understood that rule. The Oath of Alliegance and becoming a citizen of the USA should be enough to be allowed to run. Just because you might have been born somewhere else does not mean you aren't a loyal citizen.

Ever hear of a country called Poland? For a couple of hundred years, they were the largest nation in Europe, reaching from the Baltic the the Caspian Sea. They had a system of allowing the Sejm to vote (we are talking Monarchy, here), where the nobles would elect a king... from anywhere.
This led to the partition of the country by the Russians, Germans and Austrians, as the nation was weakend by foreign interventionism. Then for 123 years, there was no Poland, until 1919.

Basically, the idea is that the nation can only be led by someone born of American parents, or born here. People hold their allegences dear, and I'll give you an example: m father.
Dad came to the US in 1969 from a recently occupied central European nation. He is now a US citizen. But in his heart, he has a softness towards his homeland and he would favor his homeland in anything he could do, if he were to become President. He's not a disloyal American citizen, but would it be right for him to become President? How about Arnold?
Better, how about some Englishman related to the Royal Family, who calls himself the Duke of America?

That was the sort of thing the rule was written for -- to close what the founders considered a "back door" for foreigners to meddle in American politics.

Being from Illinois, all the dead Daleycrats (separate from the dems.) lock up the elections in favor of the Democrats so I'm debating between Bush (preffered) or Libertatian (2nd choice and to give them numbers)

I think they're (D & R) both clueless on Iraq and the economy. My main issue is gun control and I completely oppose Kerry's views on it.
Gun control means hitting your target. :)

That's why no one foreign born can become President. (Note: NOT a Bush endorsement, just stating a fact).

Senator Orrin Hatch (Republican, I think from Utah) is going to propose a bill that would allow naturalized citizens to become president of they've been resident citizens for twenty years or more. It's being called 'the Arnold Scharzenegger (sp?) bill.

I'm voting for Kerry-Edwards.
Tuesday night Edwards said there is a plan to reduce the deficit by half, after saying that it is too big to eliminate totally any time soon. Whether or not they can is yet to be seen, but at least they have a plan to try. Bush seems to be ignoring the issue.
Bush can say his tax cuts are for middle-class people until he turns blue. I don't believe him. None of those tax cuts ever reached my middle-class paycheck, or the paychecks of my middle-class relatives. I am real tired of my Republican friends telling me that I have to be patient & wait for my tax cuts to 'filter down' to me.
While Kerry & Edwards have both said they don't like abortion (because of religious issues), they're not willing to force me & other pro-choice people to live by their beliefs, the way Bush wants to.

The Patriot Acts I & II. IMO, anyone who says they haven't/won't affect our civil liberties hasn't read them.

There are many other reasons, but those are the ones that are making me the angriest today.

How the hell could anyone believe Bill Clinton was a good president? :headbang:
Just because you "like" them, it doesn't make them great.

Senator Orrin Hatch (Republican, I think from Utah) is going to propose a bill that would allow naturalized citizens to become president of they've been resident citizens for twenty years or more. It's being called 'the Arnold Scharzenegger (sp?) bill.

That doesn't make it a good idea.

Something that erked me is the whole military service thing. Kerry endangered his life for the country and Bush never did. Everything aside, that is something that commands respect, and Ill admit that about anyone even if I dont like them.

Bush also, we know, was apprehended with cocaine possession in texas, but was never convicted, and we know he did at least incur a DUI in Maine, but unfortunatly his criminal records in Texas arent accessable because his father stores them in his own private library. Thats shady... Id also say that about anyone. And theres the issue of being on the cover of High Times Magazine. Thats...interesting. lol Hell, if he wasnt so conservative, that might actually get him votes, but that kinda goes against everything else in his mannerisms.

Another thing that really puts me off is anyone who wears their religion on their sleeve. Theres a reason that we dont have a national religion, and poor planning by our forefathers isnt it. People can be whatever religion they want, thats cool with me, do what makes you happy as long as you dont infringe on my rights, but when you start putting your national policy and attitude as that of something that not even a majority of the country shares. thats bad democratic leadership. Some fun examples of people wearing their religions on their sleeve are: The Spanish Inquisition, The First Crusade, The Second Crusade, Etc. Etc. on up to the final crusade, which is debated, but lets just cut it short and say there were 5. Which equates to 5 too many instances of a group of people trying to push the indigenous people off of their own land.

Then, theres the lying about the WMD's in Iraq. Even if he wholeheartedly believed it at the time, there should be an apology from the administration for misleading the american people.

I could go into alot of opinion stuff, but no one really cares about that, and some people wont care about these things. But, these are some reasons I feel that Kerry will get my vote.

Feel free to disagree, but dont give me any wild opinions or accusations, and no personal attacks, or you will be designated an idiot. :D Have a nice day

Thank you, everyone, for your opionions regarding this matter. I've been able to solidify some of my debating posture and points for Kerry, and seen the type of people that vote for either.

*bows*