NationStates Jolt Archive

Well, due to much confusion and consternation over exactly which group is in the minority here, I figured I lay this to rest with a poll.

You do realise that these two terms are not globally constant right?

Also not everyone can be described as these.

You left out the 'moderate' choice - as well as libertarian, which is what I am (well, moderately at least)!

Actually, yes they can. You see, if you are left-wing in your region, then click lib. If you are right-wing in your region, then click conserv. I have yet to see an American liberal engage in a dispute with a European liberal, and so I think it is safe to assume that they will follow very similar standards. If you disagree, then yuo are simply being difficult, and I really don't care if you decide not to be represented. At this point it says 100% of NS is conservative. How about some representation.

And I repeat, if you are left-wing, then you are liberal. If you are right0wing, then you are conservative. Moderate means you are still going to be a moderate version of either side. This is not difficult. And a libertarian will still have their own political leanings that will match closer with one side. You be the judge of your closest match.

Actually, yes they can. You see, if you are left-wing in your region, then click lib. If you are right-wing in your region, then click conserv. I have yet to see an American liberal engage in a dispute with a European liberal, and so I think it is safe to assume that they will follow very similar standards. If you disagree, then yuo are simply being difficult, and I really don't care if you decide not to be represented. At this point it says 100% of NS is conservative. How about some representation.
But I am neighther Liberal or Conservative.

Radical right-wing nutjob, ultra-conservative crackpot conspiracy theorist. That describes me best. :)

Would you peopel quit being retards? Libertarians are still rightwing assholes, and green party members are the back stabbing basterds of the left.
Just pick one, don't try to be "Unique." Becuase you aren't. No one who has to try to be unique is. Read it:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=362893

Roach-Busters, we think exactly the same way.

If you absolutely don't care, you shouldn't be here. Someone who doesn't give a flying fart in space on the subject of government wouldn't be playing NationStates. There is no such thing as complete middle unless you just don't care, in which case you are not here. You lean, even if just slightly, towards one side. If you are for tax cuts, right, if you are against, left, etc. The yes/no questions help you figure it out.

Roach-Busters, we think exactly the same way.

Lol, really? :p

Radical right-wing nutjob, ultra-conservative crackpot conspiracy theorist. That describes me best. :)
thats you to a T

thats you to a T

Yep! :D

Btw, where are you on the political spectrum, CS? I always thought of you as a slightly left-leaning moderate.

I finally voted liberal in the poll because I'm closest to a classical liberal. *sigh*

Well, due to much confusion and consternation over exactly which group is in the minority here, I figured I lay this to rest with a poll.
The problem is a lot of people, liberal and conservative, classify themselves as moderate unless they're given a set of definitions to use.

I voted Liberal, but I would say, technically speaking, I'm a right-wing socialist.

The problem is a lot of people, liberal and conservative, classify themselves as moderate unless they're given a set of definitions to use.
The other problem is that this issue has already been answered. Go with the party that you are most in line with. You will lean one way or the another. There is no doubt of that. Don't try to overanalyze yourself into idiocy.

I voted Liberal, but I would say, technically speaking, I'm a right-wing socialist.
thats liberal by american definitions

how do you get right wing socialist?

Well, due to much confusion and consternation over exactly which group is in the minority here, I figured I lay this to rest with a poll.

Are we speaking socially or economically?

And where is the centrist category? There are people who aren't extremists, you know.

I'm liberal when it comes to internal organization of a country. I am conservative when it comes to personal rights. I am moderate to liberal when it comes to 'moral' dilemmas (depending on the issue). I am an anti-traditionalist yet love the traditions and culture of my society. I fear large government yet think it is the only viable way to solve the problems faced by modern day man. I hate politicians in every way.

So, which do you think I am? I put liberal because I'm going to vote for Kerry.

thats liberal by american definitions

how do you get right wing socialist?

I believe in (economic terms at least) that the state should control any and all public services. These include police, health, armed forces, transport (railway, buses etc, not cars or taxi's), power supply, water etc.
Capitalism should be used for non essential produce...eg. manufacturing etc.
There is more to it, but I say that to most people and they usually say either "Oh, I get it", or they lambast me about something. Any queries please feel free to ask :)

:eek: you...you... you dont have libertarians up there? WHAT KIND OF PERSON ARE YOU!!!!!????

And where is the centrist category? There are people who aren't extremists, you know.

Even though they are not extremists, they still lean in one way, even if only slightly. Like I said, total centrists (don't care people) don't exist on these forums.

I believe in (economic terms at least) that the state should control any and all public services. These include police, health, armed forces, transport (railway, buses etc, not cars or taxi's), power supply, water etc.
Capitalism should be used for non essential produce...eg. manufacturing etc.
There is more to it, but I say that to most people and they usually say either "Oh, I get it", or they lambast me about something. Any queries please feel free to ask :)
thats pretty much what i believe but i also think the government should regulate major industries also: agriculture, industry, etc. mcdonalds and microsoft can do whatever the hell they want

I voted Liberal, but I would say, technically speaking, I'm a right-wing socialist.

That's why I think we need a "Statist/Populist" and "Libertarian" category. Where you lie fiscally and where you lie socially are two very different things.

And I repeat, if you are left-wing, then you are liberal. If you are right0wing, then you are conservative. Moderate means you are still going to be a moderate version of either side. This is not difficult. And a libertarian will still have their own political leanings that will match closer with one side. You be the judge of your closest match.
What about people who are dead center?

Are we speaking socially or economically?

And where is the centrist category? There are people who aren't extremists, you know.
Even a moderate lib is still a lib. Same for a conservative. There will be a bias, however small. There is no perfect common ground. Ask yourself simple yes-no questions. Here's a quick quiz to take to find out. http://www.madrabbit.net/webrabbit/quizshow.html
I turned out to be almost directly on the dot with Bush, at 26. Therefore I am a fairly moderate conservative.

thats pretty much what i believe but i also think the government should regulate major industries also: agriculture, industry, etc. mcdonalds and microsoft can do whatever the hell they want
Major industries? I'd say Microsoft is in a major industry. If you believe in more government regulation, that would be a left-wing view.

That's why I think we need a "Statist/Populist" and "Libertarian" category. Where you lie fiscally and where you lie socially are two very different things.

Libertarians are thru and thru conservatives, they're not your modern conservatives, they're the traditional conservatives (they'd feel at home under Taft, but would have hated Teddy ;) ), the modern conservatives are more of your british style liberal conservatives *shrug*

Some of Badnarik's ideas are pretty screwed up though, laugh.

I am nethier, however, most would see me as a left-wing maniac, so I voted accordangly to it.

My political definition is Syndicalist.

Major industries? I'd say Microsoft is in a major industry. If you believe in more government regulation, that would be a left-wing view.
but microsoft is a different kind of industry

but microsoft is a different kind of industry

monopoly practices is a sort of iffy one, as it was the republican party who started cracking down on this, and really the last few 2 decades of republican administrations have been more of this ilk.

Of course, targetting at Microsoft's monopoly I'd still call left wing, simply because of its nature. It's not really a destructive monopoly (in the sense that really serves to harm people), and targetting it for breakdown expressly hurts consumers more than anything (personally I don't like the idea of a breakdown of MS leading to MS Office being as blind about Windows as Star Office is). And then, the EU's anti-trust attack on microsoft is through and through socialism. (Take from the rich to give to everyone)

monopoly practices is a sort of iffy one, as it was the republican party who started cracking down on this, and really the last few 2 decades of republican administrations have been more of this ilk.

Of course, targetting at Microsoft's monopoly I'd still call left wing, simply because of its nature. It's not really a destructive monopoly (in the sense that really serves to harm people), and targetting it for breakdown expressly hurts consumers more than anything (personally I don't like the idea of a breakdown of MS leading to MS Office being as blind about Windows as Star Office is). And then, the EU's anti-trust attack on microsoft is through and through socialism. (Take from the rich to give to everyone)
there is nothing inherently wrong with socialism, at all, its just implementation that has problems.

I didn't imply it was, I was simply stating the breakdown of the company in that situation is distinctly left wing.

Personally I Think consumers would stand to benefit at microsoft's expense due to the EU stance, the US DOJ stance under the Clinton administration would have expressly hurt consumers.

But under both scenarios, I suppose the question is why is it fair to do it?

Even though they are not extremists, they still lean in one way, even if only slightly. Like I said, total centrists (don't care people) don't exist on these forums.

Centrist doesn't mean "doesn't care." It means that someone takes the middle road in many things. Perhaps they feel that either socialist or completely capatilistic government is not good, for example. They want something in the middle.

Well, if nothing else, this poll is at least proving (at this point in time at least) that neither the left-wing or the right-wing has any clear majority on this forum (1 or 2 either way doesn't really make much of a difference!)

Another problem is that ppl tend to identify with the current reps around election time, as someone mentioned, Kerry or Bush, but really, what if it was McCain vs Clinton? then of course, take Reagan, whom in 2 elections failed to gain a combined total of 23 electoral votes. He was a pure neo-con, but a lot of people who voted for him, sure weren't.

Even a moderate lib is still a lib. Same for a conservative. There will be a bias, however small. There is no perfect common ground. Ask yourself simple yes-no questions. Here's a quick quiz to take to find out. http://www.madrabbit.net/webrabbit/quizshow.html
I turned out to be almost directly on the dot with Bush, at 26. Therefore I am a fairly moderate conservative.

17 or 18, depending on whether I put executive or legislative branch (which I distrust equally) or FBI and IRS (which I distrust equally) or Joint Chiefs and UN (which I distrust equally.

Of course, with out hundreds of questions, the statistical variance on this thing is huge. So, statistically, I'm pretty much right in the middle.

And I repeat, if you are left-wing, then you are liberal. If you are right0wing, then you are conservative. Moderate means you are still going to be a moderate version of either side. This is not difficult. And a libertarian will still have their own political leanings that will match closer with one side. You be the judge of your closest match.

Actually, did you know that in Russia a right winger is liberal?

Anyways, a better measure is here at www.politicalcompass.org. It measures where you stand on economic and social issues, dividing economic into a left-right split and social into libertarian-authoritarian. It's actually quite good and covers a lot of material.

Liberal all the way, baby. A conservative is merely someone who wants an aristocracy, or is too stupid to see that s/he'd be living under one should current conservatives have their way.

Liberal all the way, baby. A conservative is merely someone who wants an aristocracy, or is too stupid to see that s/he'd be living under one should current conservatives have their way.

A Conservative can be both, a Liberal is only the latter.

(Clinton or especially the Kennedy family anyone?)

17 or 18, depending on whether I put executive or legislative branch (which I distrust equally) or FBI and IRS (which I distrust equally) or Joint Chiefs and UN (which I distrust equally.

Of course, with out hundreds of questions, the statistical variance on this thing is huge. So, statistically, I'm pretty much right in the middle.
According to it, you are a slight liberal, so go with that, or take a test with hundreds of questions. No one is going to come out dead center, especially if you take a test with "hundreds of questions".

Honestly, it is amazing how many people have found it necessary to take something fairly simple, and analyze it to the point that it loses all meaning. It is just like taking a test in school, the teacher always has to tell the smart kids not to overanalyze because otherwise they nitpick the questions to death, and end up not being able to make a decision. Don't be such hardheads, just go with gut feeling. And I am very certain that there is no person who is absolutely middle of the road, because unfortunately the parties do not mesh that well.

I'm only a 35, I failed you Ronnie :(

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According to it, you are a slight liberal, so go with that, or take a test with hundreds of questions. No one is going to come out dead center, especially if you take a test with "hundreds of questions".

Says the guy who linked to a test with 40 points, of which Colin Powell got 20. These are integers, so that counts as dead center darling.

The test you linked to was also full of more social, and less economic questions, which can skew the results quite a bit.

I'd be considered a liberal by everyone here, but I myself think it is a poor definition and only applies to different grades of western capitalism.

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