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Ok since people keep saying this forum is full of "Lefties". I'll make a poll

Would you mind delineating the Left-Right scale you are using?

Since the question is "Where do you consider yourself to be?" it would have to be your own favoured political spectra.

In a slightly skewed interpretation, I'm right-handed. You MIGHT want to mention this is about politics first. :D

Since the question is "Where do you consider yourself to be?" it would have to be your own favoured political spectra.

Ah, that's sure to make an effective poll.

Well I can't think of a single group of people I want exterminated, so that puts me at least in the NS centre.

Also, I think pollution and global warming are bad - getting left a bit.

And I think that the solution to poverty is not to point and laugh. Does that make me a leftie?

I understand the feeling, Texan. I consider myself "Left", I suppose, but right-wingers would consider me insane and all the left-wingers I know think I'm an idiot.

I understand the feeling, Texan. I consider myself "Left", I suppose, but right-wingers would consider me insane and all the left-wingers I know think I'm an idiot.

That's good. You sound like an equal opportunity annoyer, rather like myself. :D On my practical side I'm in the center, but my ideals are at anarcho-capitalism. That's a combination that can piss pretty much anybody off. :)

Where would i be since i am libertarian?

What is "anarcho-capitalism"? Opting for a completely free market with no regulations is what it sounds like, but somehow I doubt it.

Where would i be since i am libertarian?

On an economic scale like so you would be here...

Communist-----------Socialist------------You--Capitalist

On the other scale you would be nowhere on it, or relegated to a centrist position.

Damm, I was actually correct for once!

Oh wait...

What is "anarcho-capitalism"? Opting for a completely free market with no regulations is what it sounds like, but somehow I doubt it.

It's free-market capitalism without the government and other harmful and immoral heirarchies. But now we're getting a little off topic. :)

On an economic scale like so you would be here...

Communist-----------Socialist------------You--Capitalist

On the other scale you would be nowhere on it, or relegated to a centrist position.

actually a libertarian will not have true beleifs based upon economics, but rather personal freedoms, same as the authoritarians. They beleive in restricting personal freedoms, but not all have had the same economic beleifs.

Isn't socialism left wing?

It's free-market capitalism without the government and other harmful and immoral heirarchies. But now we're getting a little off topic. :)
How is explaining your political and economic beliefs off topic in a topic about asking people their political and economic beliefs?

actually a libertarian will not have true beleifs based upon economics, but rather personal freedoms, same as the authoritarians. They beleive in restricting personal freedoms, but not all have had the same economic beleifs.

A Libertarian with a capital "L" is exactly where I said it was.

A social libertarian with a small "l" is what you basically described. I thought that you were referring to Libertarianism rather than social libertarianism. My apologies. It was just hard to tell since you don't capitalize anything in your post.

Ok since people keep saying this forum is full of "Lefties". I'll make a poll

The left will self-identify as anything BUT right, so to find the actual number of leftists, add together ALL non-right voters.

That will give you the REAL right-left population numbers..!

:)

Since the voting is anonymous, if lefties wanted to slant the poll they would vote as righties.

How is explaining your political and economic beliefs off topic in a topic about asking people their political and economic beliefs?

Mentioning any form of Anarchism tends to spark a lengthy debate about said philosophy, a debate that I would rather avoid starting in this thread. My post was not off-topic, but it had great potential to lead in that direction. Hence my use of the phrase "We are getting off topic." rather than "We are off topic."

But now we are off topic. And its your fault!!!!!!!!!111

Dependent on where you are in the world, the definition of "right" and "left" vary wildly. I know that a leftie american can be viewed as a rightie canadian for example.

marxist/socialist/communist---keynesian----chicago----austrian

austrian is the libertarian school of economic thought or the right wing, the far left marxist train is considered collectivism and can all be lumped together, there are only nuanced differences, not practical economic application differences between socialism and communism.

the left is considered by far the least efficient and productive, but does have a limit to its' downside.

the austrian is basically lasseiz faire. limitless, but a minority of the population will not succeed....a fairly large share, actually, 10-20%.

i consider myself chicago theory economist, as a governmental oversight and regulation for "fair play" and minimal but necessary social welfare costs added to the regulation/economic theory.

but the asertion that middle of the road is socialistic economically is absurd to the point of laughter. middle of the road in a room full of swedes with no economically educated individuals, maybe.

and i consider myself centrist politically.

by that i mean politically i am socially libertarian/liberal, and fiscally conservative.

which means like a large group of americans, i am voting between bad and worse this election cycle, and am wavering back and forth...

[Leftisdumb #24]
by that i mean politically i am socially libertarian/liberal, and fiscally conservative.

which means like a large group of americans, i am voting between bad and worse this election cycle, and am wavering back and forth...

Are YOU the one singular "undecided"...!?

Nyeahhhh.... I don't believe that.

"You are wavering", my puhtoot..! :D

How can you tell a Kerry supporter: Effusive condemnation of Bush in public.

How can you tell a Bush supporter: Political silence in public, for fear of rabid Kerryites.

You are firmly Bush,... just covering yourself for your Kerry-leaning friends.

If they ever found out, you'd never get invited over again,... ever..!

Heh he he he he he he...! :D

but i am the type of personality not to care one whit if i make someone mad over politics. it simply means they need to get more informed or let more intelligent people lead them. LOL

no, i really am wavering. there are things i like an dislike about bush, i know kerry would be neutered by a republican congress form doing anything too stupid, and the repubs the same thing, i actually like bureaucratic gridlock, like in the clinton years. but something has to be done about international relations, and as long as the rummys/wolfowitz/cheneys are around, it won;t happen.....so i am torn, between a one term neutered kerry and a free reign bush....and i am leaning kerry, for the moment, the debate made me think bush is a single minded moron, i could've done better than he did with no preparation.....

marxist/socialist/communist---keynesian----chicago----austrian

austrian is the libertarian school of economic thought or the right wing, the far left marxist train is considered collectivism and can all be lumped together, there are only nuanced differences, not practical economic application differences between socialism and communism.

the left is considered by far the least efficient and productive, but does have a limit to its' downside.

the austrian is basically lasseiz faire. limitless, but a minority of the population will not succeed....a fairly large share, actually, 10-20%.

i consider myself chicago theory economist, as a governmental oversight and regulation for "fair play" and minimal but necessary social welfare costs added to the regulation/economic theory.

but the asertion that middle of the road is socialistic economically is absurd to the point of laughter. middle of the road in a room full of swedes with no economically educated individuals, maybe.

and i consider myself centrist politically.


communism----socialism-----mixed economy-----capitalism would be my scale, but I'm going off of the scale provided by this site for ease.

BTW, there are rather significant differences between communism and socialism in practice. Socialism requires a majority with a guilty conscience and a bigger government, unless everybody somehow just decides to play nice with their economic freedoms, which would just be an unusual form of capitalism that results in economic equality. Communism does not require any such government, just a simple life of subsistence where nobody bothers anybody else.

Are YOU the one singular "undecided"...!?

Nyeahhhh.... I don't believe that.

"You are wavering", my puhtoot..! :D

How can you tell a Kerry supporter: Effusive condemnation of Bush in public.

How can you tell a Bush supporter: Political silence in public, for fear of rabid Kerryites.

You are firmly Bush,... just covering yourself for your Kerry-leaning friends.

If they ever found out, you'd never get invited over again,... ever..!

Heh he he he he he he...! :D

The scary thing is, I think you actually beleive what you are saying.

Socialism is left wing (just almost as left as communism,) it is just a part of the road towards classless society.

I don't like the word "left" because it makes me seem like a wuss, but I am a marxist which is extreme left so anyway. Most anarchists are considered left, though there are some maniacs who are free market libertarians. However, they are usualy idiotic teenagers who lives in suburban areas and has nothing else to do than dreams about freely running around with a gun and being in a gang of criminals raping the "weak" thinking finaly they'll get laid.

I'm a little right of center, but I can sometimes agree with the left.

However, they are usualy idiotic teenagers who lives in suburban areas and has nothing else to do than dreams about freely running around with a gun and being in a gang of criminals raping the "weak" thinking finaly they'll get laid.

The people you have just described are much too stupid to bother with a coherent political philosophy like Libertarianism. They have more important things to do; like trying to convince themselves and others that they have some kind of power over their own lives.

wow looks like the forum is full of lefties

[Antileftism #26]
but i am the type of personality not to care one whit if i make someone mad over politics. it simply means they need to get more informed or let more intelligent people lead them. LOL

no, i really am wavering. there are things i like an dislike about bush, i know kerry would be neutered by a republican congress form doing anything too stupid, and the repubs the same thing, i actually like bureaucratic gridlock, like in the clinton years. but something has to be done about international relations, and as long as the rummys/wolfowitz/cheneys are around, it won;t happen.....so i am torn, between a one term neutered kerry and a free reign bush....and i am leaning kerry, for the moment, the debate made me think bush is a single minded moron, i could've done better than he did with no preparation.....

I can't argue with you on the atrocious Bush performance at the debate. Amazing wasn't it..!?

If you want to see the economy plummet, vote Kerry. More of the Carter years sounds like a very dramatic and stomach-acid inducing way to spend a few years,.. if you're into that sort of masochism.

International relations will sort itself out, as international relations proper couldn't care a whit about this so-called "lack of respect" that nations show the US. They will crawl to the US for what they want, and when they've gotten it they'll crawl back and undercut us as best they can, as always.

Nothing would change under Kerry as regards this "shit on the US" phenomenon. Though there WOULD be more dinner parties thrown for Kerry than for Bush. :)

[Bunglejinx #28]
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Originally Posted by Iakeokeo
Are YOU the one singular "undecided"...!?

Nyeahhhh.... I don't believe that.

"You are wavering", my puhtoot..!

How can you tell a Kerry supporter: Effusive condemnation of Bush in public.

How can you tell a Bush supporter: Political silence in public, for fear of rabid Kerryites.

You are firmly Bush,... just covering yourself for your Kerry-leaning friends.

If they ever found out, you'd never get invited over again,... ever..!

Heh he he he he he he...!



The scary thing is, I think you actually beleive what you are saying.


What is it about what I've said that frightens you..? :)

[Communist Scandinavia #29]
Socialism is left wing (just almost as left as communism,) it is just a part of the road towards classless society.

I don't like the word "left" because it makes me seem like a wuss, but I am a marxist which is extreme left so anyway. Most anarchists are considered left, though there are some maniacs who are free market libertarians. However, they are usualy idiotic teenagers who lives in suburban areas and has nothing else to do than dreams about freely running around with a gun and being in a gang of criminals raping the "weak" thinking finaly they'll get laid.



.."However, they are usualy idiotic teenagers who lives in suburban areas and has nothing else to do than dreams about freely running around with a gun and being in a gang of criminals raping the "weak" thinking finaly they'll get laid."..

WOW,... a leftist with a firm grasp of what an Anarchist actually IS..!!

:D

This is the definition that should be taught in school..!

Love it..!

Though, as a marxist, you are also an adolescent, but probably not as violent and self-indulged. But then, you'll grow out of it.

Just don't learn the secret handshake... They've got your ass after you learn the secret handshake and won't EVER let you go..!

Far left and, more than a little anarchic.

[Daroth #32]
wow looks like the forum is full of lefties

Yes,... yes it is. :D

But they're REALLY fun to toy with..!

Just call them names,.. they love that..!!

[Daroth #32]
wow looks like the forum is full of lefties

Yes,... yes it is. :D

But they're REALLY fun to toy with..!

Just call them names,.. they love that..!!

Yes, it makes them feel good about themselves that their opponents have nothing better to do than throw meaningless insults at them.

Too many lefties :'(!

Personally, i think the right and left can be equally psychotic. If I were to vote for Kerry, it would be to end the war (or at least prevent future invasions by the US) and perhaps repair diplomatic relations with our "allies". For if Bush continues to be pres, it may lead to so much hostility an apocalyptic nuclear war may ensue. On the other hand, If Bush doesn’t finish crushing the enemies of the US (say if Kerry was elected), they may just reorganize and have another 9/11 probably leading to an apocalyptic nuclear war. Are we all doomed no mater what the outcome? Im confused..... :confused:

On my practical side I'm in the center, but my ideals are at anarcho-capitalism. That's a combination that can piss pretty much anybody off. :)
Yeah, I'm socially liberal and centre-left on economics, but to me the ideal society sounds like an anarcho-communist one.

Tell me, in an anarcho-capitalist society, how is the environment protected? It's more profitable to rape the environment than to defend it, so how would that be done?

by that i mean politically i am socially libertarian/liberal, and fiscally conservative.

which means like a large group of americans, i am voting between bad and worse this election cycle, and am wavering back and forth...
Maybe you should vote for the Libertarian candidate, Michael Badnarik... he's most in line with your views it seems.

I don't trust the poll. So many republicans call themselves independant like BIff and maybe Iakeokeo(not sure if he is ).


If you want to see the economy plummet, vote Kerry. More of the Carter years sounds like a very dramatic and stomach-acid inducing way to spend a few years,.. if you're into that sort of masochism.
If Kerry raises taxes then he follows Reagon's policy. After a term of tax cuts you have to raise taxes to bring forth prosperity.

So Unless Reagon is a fraud, Kerry can't hurt economy if he decides to raise taxes.

Yeah, I'm socially liberal and centre-left on economics, but to me the ideal society sounds like an anarcho-communist one.

Tell me, in an anarcho-capitalist society, how is the environment protected? It's more profitable to rape the environment than to defend it, so how would that be done?

It's actually far more profitable long-term and more profitable to society to use environmental resources carefully. People who are good enough to form an anarcho-capitalistic society would recognize that fact.

man in total their are 40 non liberals and 31 liberals seems we are losing

"Left" != "Liberal".

Not by a long shot.