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ok here is yet another Gay marriage disscussion have fun.

Why don’t you start?

any bible readers in here?
well check out Romans 1:26-27
it states that if we give up our natural relations, (man and woman, woman and man) then we shall be punished!!
its unnatural, and just disgusting if you ask me!


marriage = 1 man and 1 woman, together!
man> :fluffle: <woman

does that make sense?

any bible readers in here?

You're a fan of stoning for adultery, then? [Deuteronomy 22:23]

Oh, and when you sell your daughter into slavery [Exodus 21:7], give me a call... I do good prices.

You're a fan of stoning for adultery, then? [Deuteronomy 22:23]

Oh, and when you sell your daughter into slavery [Exodus 21:7], give me a call... I do good prices.
my god you are a moron, Jesus says: "Let he who is without sin throw the first stone"

There is no reason why gay couples can't get married. They deserve all the rights any other Americans have. Gay marriage doesn't corrupt heterosexual marriage in any way shape or form. Straight people who think it's their buisness to tell gays what to do are morally bankrupt, pathetic individuals who should worry about their own lives before they start condemning others for theirs.

And if you hadn't guessed, vote Kerry!!!

There is no reason why gay couples can't get married. They deserve all the rights any other Americans have. Gay marriage doesn't corrupt heterosexual marriage in any way shape or form. Straight people who think it's their buisness to tell gays what to do are morally bankrupt, pathetic individuals who should worry about their own lives before they start condemning others for theirs.

And if you hadn't guessed, vote Kerry!!!
psst they said divorce wouldn't change marriage except in life threatning siuations do you think thats true, damn facts always result in logic can't have that. ;)

There is no reason why gay couples can't get married. They deserve all the rights any other Americans have. Gay marriage doesn't corrupt heterosexual marriage in any way shape or form. Straight people who think it's their buisness to tell gays what to do are morally bankrupt, pathetic individuals who should worry about their own lives before they start condemning others for theirs.

And if you hadn't guessed, vote Kerry!!!
There should be no reason for gay gouples TO get married. The government should get out of the marriage business all together and leave it as it should be, a religious institution. The government should give no benefit whatsoever simply because someone is married.

Civil unions, however, should carry all the rights and benefits currently given by marriage.

That way, religious people can have their marriage, couples of all sorts can have the protection and benefits granted by the state, and no one is discriminated against.

Homosexuals have as much right as any other people to marry. It is not our place to deny that right, nor is it the right of a fictional omnipotent deity. I guess Bush going to have a hard time shifting his want for an amendment banning gay marriage now that it turns out his Vice President's daughters are lesbians.

If you hadn't guessed; lynch Bush.

Oh, and when you sell your daughter into slavery [Exodus 21:7], give me a call... I do good prices.
psst as slavery is now illegal and the bible says to obey the powers at be, :eek: logic hurts

There should be no reason for gay gouples TO get married. The government should get out of the marriage business all together and leave it as it should be, a religious institution. The government should give no benefit whatsoever simply because someone is married.

Civil unions, however, should carry all the rights and benefits currently given by marriage.

That way, religious people can have their marriage, couples of all sorts can have the protection and benefits granted by the state, and no one is discriminated against.

Exactomundo, but what about homosexuals who want to get married, and not just 'civilly unified'?

Exactomundo, but what about homosexuals who want to get married, and not just 'civilly unified'?
If they can find a church to do so, so be it. But if they can get the same exact benefits, other than religious reasons, why would they want to get married?

If they can find a church to do so, so be it. But if they can get the same exact benefits, other than religious reasons, why would they want to get married?

They may be religious.

Homosexuals have as much right as any other people to marry. It is not our place to deny that right, nor is it the right of a fictional omnipotent deity. I guess Bush going to have a hard time shifting his want for an amendment banning gay marriage now that it turns out his Vice President's daughters are lesbians.

If you hadn't guessed; lynch Bush.
for once my statement in my signature when you burn in hell I will laugh blashphamy is the one unforgivable sin yes jesus said that him self or paul or peter, any how, where did rights come in under my understanding that gays have the same rights we do or are they second class peoples, not nwhat you are post is total bulldicks kids lesbain I want you to prove it.

my god you are a moron, Jesus says: "Let he who is without sin throw the first stone"

:rolleyes:

Well, I'm not the one trying to butt into [no pun intended] other peoples' private lives because of what it says in the Bible. What I AM saying is that quoting a line from the Bible doesn't make your argument cast iron. We live in a post-Enlightenment world. Most people no longer take the Bible as completely literal truth in every single word, nor is it the basis of our laws any longer. For a quick look at what happens when you run your legal system on the basis of ancient religious texts, go to Saudi Arabia. Peoples' interpretations of the Bible differ. The fact that mine differs from yours does not, in fact, make me a moron.

Do you believe that homosexuality [funny how it's always male homosexuality that raises peoples' hackles - I just think some men get repulsed on an aesthetic level, whereas they evidently feel two chicks getting it on is just hot...] should be criminalised? If yes, then there's no help for you. But if not, then what difference does it make whether they marry or not? Marriage is a state ceremony. It is part of the laws of the state, not of God. No-one says YOUR church has to agree to marry them. The state can do that for them instead. See, it's that separation of Church and State thing.

for once my statement in my signature when you burn in hell I will laugh blashphamy is the one unforgivable sin yes jesus said that him self or paul or peter, any how, where did rights come in under my understanding that gays have the same rights we do or are they second class peoples, not nwhat you are post is total bulldicks kids lesbain I want you to prove it.
hmmm I had thought that the only unforgivable sin was to accuse Jesus of being the devil, to his face. And since Jesus hasn't yet returned, it's impossible to do that, so as of now, nothing is unforgivable.

We must just send all homosexuals to a remote island (Sakhalin or Bali), ship all normal people out, and let gay live the life they want. :-))) Then send UN comission to guess "why they have disappeared". :)

for once my statement in my signature when you burn in hell I will laugh blashphamy is the one unforgivable sin yes jesus said that him self or paul or peter, any how, where did rights come in under my understanding that gays have the same rights we do or are they second class peoples, not nwhat you are post is total bulldicks kids lesbain I want you to prove it.

Blasphemy is a joke... much like organised religion. :D
The Cheney's daughters being lesbian comment came from my politics teacher during a Democrats vs. Republicans debate we do every Friday. We were debating homosexual rights and how Bush wants to make the amendment banning gay marriage, and my teacher pointed out that there was a news article about Cheney's daughters (or one of them) being lesbians, which is why the focus was taken from the issue so quickly. Something like that, I'll ask about it.
Rights came into it when Bush decided it was a good idea to ban gay marriages: I said no one has the right to ban two people from marrying (or civilly unifying etc.) because we can't choose people's sexuality and we certianly don't have the right to judge it either.


[EDIT: Also, Jesus did not do or say most of what the Bible says he did.]

psst as slavery is now illegal and the bible says to obey the powers at be, :eek: logic hurts

So does people who don't understand irony. :headbang:
I don't like to talk down to people, but you started it. Look, follow this through step by step:
You said that homosexual marriage was not to be permitted because you found a line in the Bible that you felt supported it.
I said that by that argument, you therefore ought to advocate slavery and stoning, because they are also advocated in the Bible.

The fact that slavery is illegal is irrelevant. So is gay marriage. But you should still be in favour of slavery and/or stoning, because they are in the Bible. In fact, they're in the sections where God lays down the law, so you should doubly follow it. I assume that you only eat Kosher food as well.

:rolleyes:

Well, I'm not the one trying to butt into [no pun intended] other peoples' private lives because of what it says in the Bible. What I AM saying is that quoting a line from the Bible doesn't make your argument cast iron. We live in a post-Enlightenment world. Most people no longer take the Bible as completely literal truth in every single word, nor is it the basis of our laws any longer. For a quick look at what happens when you run your legal system on the basis of ancient religious texts, go to Saudi Arabia. Peoples' interpretations of the Bible differ. The fact that mine differs from yours does not, in fact, make me a moron.

Do you believe that homosexuality [funny how it's always male homosexuality that raises peoples' hackles - I just think some men get repulsed on an aesthetic level, whereas they evidently feel two chicks getting it on is just hot...] should be criminalised? If yes, then there's no help for you. But if not, then what difference does it make whether they marry or not? Marriage is a state ceremony. It is part of the laws of the state, not of God. No-one says YOUR church has to agree to marry them. The state can do that for them instead. See, it's that separation of Church and State thing.
never said any bull you posting in your second section talk To TT (tenet) if you want a extremist down here in the non-extremist level we don't btry to stop gays from having sex, what diffrence divorce has already gone thsat deep that marriage is now unimportant how deep does corruption flow that you say it would make no diffrence, marriage is a religous instusion so the state should butt out it's self, sepration of church and state was created to aviod a second chruch of england and a repeat of the crusades to be honest it had nothing to do with marriage and morailty, the founding fathers would be disgusted if they saw what you are trying to do, section one well duh, but we should not and dare I say it shall not change our morailty to fit you this may be consider an insult Adulturing bastards :D , the world no longer cares about the truth of the word it lives only for today but I have no intention of encouraging adultry or any other sin.

bah sod religion, if gays marry or not it really dosn't affect me at all since i'm not gay, let them marry... *yawn* i love woman- i get married, i love man- get married anyway.

Blasphemy is a joke... much like organised religion. :D
The Cheney's daughters being lesbian comment came from my politics teacher during a Democrats vs. Republicans debate we do every Friday. We were debating homosexual rights and how Bush wants to make the amendment banning gay marriage, and my teacher pointed out that there was a news article about Cheney's daughters (or one of them) being lesbians, which is why the focus was taken from the issue so quickly. Something like that, I'll ask about it.
Rights came into it when Bush decided it was a good idea to ban gay marriages: I said no one has the right to ban two people from marrying (or civilly unifying etc.) because we can't choose people's sexuality and we certianly don't have the right to judge it either.


[EDIT: Also, Jesus did not do or say most of what the Bible says he did.]
sewat burning in hell is going to be fun for you.

never said any bull you posting in your second section talk To TT (tenet) if you want a extremist down here in the non-extremist level we don't btry to stop gays from having sex, what diffrence divorce has already gone thsat deep that marriage is now unimportant how deep does corruption flow that you say it would make no diffrence, marriage is a religous instusion so the state should butt out it's self, sepration of church and state was created to aviod a second chruch of england and a repeat of the crusades to be honest it had nothing to do with marriage and morailty, the founding fathers would be disgusted if they saw what you are trying to do, section one well duh, but we should not and dare I say it shall not change our morailty to fit you this may be consider an insult Adulturing bastards :D , the world no longer cares about the truth of the word it lives only for today but I have no intention of encouraging adultry or any other sin.

You're going to have to slow down and maybe punctuate a little, because I'm not understanding a word at the moment. Take a deep breath, count to 10, and then post.

read the last part you can understand it.

So does people who don't understand irony. :headbang:
I don't like to talk down to people, but you started it. Look, follow this through step by step:
You said that homosexual marriage was not to be permitted because you found a line in the Bible that you felt supported it.
I said that by that argument, you therefore ought to advocate slavery and stoning, because they are also advocated in the Bible.

The fact that slavery is illegal is irrelevant. So is gay marriage. But you should still be in favour of slavery and/or stoning, because they are in the Bible. In fact, they're in the sections where God lays down the law, so you should doubly follow it. I assume that you only eat Kosher food as well.
and here I thought the old laws were often disbanded in the new testment (Looks in bible) Yep.

sewat burning in hell is going to be fun for you.

lol stop joking around

never said any bull you posting in your second section talk To TT (tenet) if you want a extremist down here in the non-extremist level we don't btry to stop gays from having sex, what diffrence divorce has already gone thsat deep that marriage is now unimportant how deep does corruption flow that you say it would make no diffrence, marriage is a religous instusion so the state should butt out it's self, sepration of church and state was created to aviod a second chruch of england and a repeat of the crusades to be honest it had nothing to do with marriage and morailty, the founding fathers would be disgusted if they saw what you are trying to do, section one well duh, but we should not and dare I say it shall not change our morailty to fit you this may be consider an insult Adulturing bastards :D , the world no longer cares about the truth of the word it lives only for today but I have no intention of encouraging adultry or any other sin.

I really can't understand it, you know. It's just stream of consciousness - worse than reading Jack Kerouac.
Still, at least it'll stop us arguing. ;)

ill be back don't post tell then.

I've never understood why people keep preaching that Bible. It's a religious work. Religion and government are NOT to be mixed, it is a deadly combination, and one that corrupts within a blink of an eye.

Why do a man and a woman enter marriage? Most times it's because they want to be with each other and love each other for the rest of their lives. So why do we deny homosexuals getting married? If they sincerely love each other, then how is getting married wrong?

Besides, if all the states of the US allowed it, think of all the newlweds to tax! XP More money to build those goddamned nukes...but that's another rant. >>

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my god you are a moron, Jesus says: "Let he who is without sin throw the first stone"

He's not being a moron, but merely illustrating how insane it is to use the Bible to decide any such matters. If you believe in the divinity of the Bible, then how can you just pick and choose which sections you choose to regard as "eternal truth"? In my opinion, the people citing the Bible on this matter are simply hiding behind the Bible, so as not to appear as bigots in the eyes of more tolerant people.
You are of course entitled to your opinion - but please, stop using the Bible as an excuse.

For more information on sections in the Bible representing rather antiquated ideas, and why the "because the Bible says so" argument fails, see the "famous" letter to Dr. Laura here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp

hmmm I had thought that the only unforgivable sin was to accuse Jesus of being the devil, to his face. And since Jesus hasn't yet returned, it's impossible to do that, so as of now, nothing is unforgivable.

I think you'll find that Jesus says the only unforgivable sin is to denounce the Holy Spirit. So nah. Re: gay marriage I could give you a long and detailed explanation on why it's wrong (ok I could steal it from my vicar)(stealing is wrong)(damn) but you're all probably so caught up in thinking your particular viewpoint is right that you wouldn't care.

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sewat burning in hell is going to be fun for you.

Yep it will. Another fictional thing the Bible threatens its followers with. OBEY OR FACE ETERNAL HELL AND DAMNATION AND FIRE AND GOD'S WRATH! Puh-lease..... and I don't spell it like that often..... it's a joke. Bible; commissioned by a Roman Emperor who was, by the way, a pagan until he realised there were more followers of Christ and decided to back them.

Will polygamists also have the right to marry? Should they also already have civil unions?

Marriage is a specific and recognized familial relationship between a man and a woman. No substantive rights of gays are being abriged by denying them the title. Civil union confers all the benefits of marriage except the name, so frankly why is this even an issue.

The best thing the government could do is get out of the marriage business and just grant civil unions to everyone. Then "marriages" would be a purely private matter up to the various churches and religions. Gays could then get married where they were allowed to, i.e. the episcopalian church but catholics would also be allowed to refuse to recognize. Not that it would matter who recognized what because the actual benefits would be preserved by the civil union, which everyone for the most part thinks is okay and has the force of law, so no-one would loose out. That way everyone is happy. The gays 'cos they can get married. Religious people 'cos they can refuse to recognize it as valid. And no-one has different rights. Everyone wins. I am a genius..YAY!

Will polygamists also have the right to marry? Should they also already have civil unions?

Marriage is a specific and recognized familial relationship between a man and a woman. No substantive rights of gays are being abriged by denying them the title. Civil union confers all the benefits of marriage except the name, so frankly why is this even an issue.

The best thing the government could do is get out of the marriage business and just grant civil unions to everyone. Then "marriages" would be a purely private matter up to the various churches and religions. Gays could then get married where they were allowed to, i.e. the episcopalian church but catholics would also be allowed to refuse to recognize. Not that it would matter who recognized what because the actual benefits would be preserved by the civil union, which everyone for the most part thinks is okay and has the force of law, so no-one would loose out. That way everyone is happy. The gays 'cos they can get married. Religious people 'cos they can refuse to recognize it as valid. And no-one has different rights. Everyone wins. I am a genius..YAY!

It wouldn't stop the Bible folk from denouncing those marriages as false. My sister, when young, was once told by a Catholic woman that she wasn't a real person because she had not been christened or confirmed.

It wouldn't stop the Bible folk from denouncing those marriages as false. My sister, when young, was once told by a Catholic woman that she wasn't a real person because she had not been christened or confirmed.

haha religion really is a joke!

haha religion really is a joke!

True. And yet here in the 21st Century it still plagues mankind. And there's me in my naivity thinking we were an advanced people.

True. And yet here in the 21st Century it still plagues mankind. And there's me in my naivity thinking we were an advanced people.
Religion isn't a joke. People who attempt to force their religion on you are the jokes.

Of course, I include the atheists attempting to force their religion on me as well.

True. And yet here in the 21st Century it (religion) still plagues mankind. And there's me in my naivity thinking we were an advanced people.

Damn straight, religion sucks. Of course it sucks. It's the result of mankind screwing with a perfectly simple message. what do you expect!! I'd guess a catholic person who doesn't believe another person is real because she hasn't been christened/confirmed/baptised/martyred is, for wont of a better word; wrong, and has less than the proper amount of respect for that person. Which would make him/her not a very good christian if at all.

True. And yet here in the 21st Century it still plagues mankind. And there's me in my naivity thinking we were an advanced people.

at first, religion was to explain things which ignorant people of the past did not understand.. and some people's beliefs were so great, because of the ignorance, that they were fanatics. they had to explain why that what that bright ball in the sky disappeard every deay for a while and came back no? after a while the smarter amoung us found out that religion could be used as a tool.. a manipulative tool.. even with technology and science to explain most phanomena.. you can't really undo hundreds or thousands of years of belief that easily. about manipulation, the bible itself is filled up with stories and orders "you cannot do this, you can do that, it is best you should act like this and if you don't something which you do not understand will make you suffer eternally in a place you don't know" - you are afraid and will do as the bible says.

Religion isn't a joke. People who attempt to force their religion on you are the jokes.

Of course, I include the atheists attempting to force their religion on me as well.

Organised religion is people trying to force their beliefs upon a populus. That's how christianity began. Everyone was happy choosing whether to be one of a multitude of religions in the middle east, and some choosing to follow the teachings of Jesus. By these, I don't mean what the Bible says. I mean his ideas about everything, that he actually said to people. Then once Rome realised that the teachings of Jesus were leading the way, the emperor had the Bible commissioned and all of a sudden Jesus became a supernatural figure; the son of 'God'; one part of a Holy Trinity, and Jesus' wife, Mary Magdalene, was cast down as a common prostitute, even though she was part of a royal family.

at first, religion was to explain things which ignorant people of the past did not understand.. and some people's beliefs were so great, because of the ignorance, that they were fanatics. they had to explain why that what that bright ball in the sky disappeard every deay for a while and came back no? after a while the smarter amoung us found out that religion could be used as a tool.. a manipulative tool.. even with technology and science to explain most phanomena.. you can't really undo hundreds or thousands of years of belief that easily. about manipulation, the bible itself is filled up with stories and orders "you cannot do this, you can do that, it is best you should act like this and if you don't something which you do not understand will make you suffer eternally in a place you don't know" - you are afraid and will do as the bible says.

Agreed. People are still controlled by religious bodies in the same way as they were a loooonnng time ago.... and yet there is so much historical and scientific fact to disprove religion.


[EDIT: Anyways I'm going now. Nice talking, have fun.]

after a while the smarter amoung us found out that religion could be used as a tool.. a manipulative tool.. even with technology and science to explain most phanomena.. you can't really undo hundreds or thousands of years of belief that easily.

I do like the way you include yourself in the 'smarter' category although you can't back up anything you say. btw that's an 'e' not an 'a' in phEnomena.

I think all this argument/thread is proving is that God was totally right when he reckoned that without a set of rules (that would be the ones included in the bible) humans would go off and invent their own beliefs. Because we are inherently... a little bit dumb.

I think if people care about each other, and they want to get married, then that's their business, and nobody else's!

I do like the way you include yourself in the 'smarter' category although you can't back up anything you say. btw that's an 'e' not an 'a' in phEnomena.

that word plagues my spelling.. lol oh and i did not say i was "smarter" i didnt decide to manipulate religion, its here in this day and age so i think its dated!

ah and depends what you think i'm going to be backing up!

Organised religion is people trying to force their beliefs upon a populus. That's how christianity began. Everyone was happy choosing whether to be one of a multitude of religions in the middle east, and some choosing to follow the teachings of Jesus. By these, I don't mean what the Bible says. I mean his ideas about everything, that he actually said to people. Then once Rome realised that the teachings of Jesus were leading the way, the emperor had the Bible commissioned and all of a sudden Jesus became a supernatural figure; the son of 'God'; one part of a Holy Trinity, and Jesus' wife, Mary Magdalene, was cast down as a common prostitute, even though she was part of a royal family.
Organized religion is not people trying to force their beliefs upon a populus. Organized religion is simply people with the same beliefs getting together and organizing, and teaching those beliefs to those who will listen. They are not forcing on anyone. If you choose not to listen, you don't have to.

Now when it does become forced, then it's wrong.

It wouldn't stop the Bible folk from denouncing those marriages as false. My sister, when young, was once told by a Catholic woman that she wasn't a real person because she had not been christened or confirmed.

True, but that's the genius of the plan. Religious nut jobs can denounce all they want, but it doesn't matter because at the end of the day their marriages are just as recognized by the state as gay peoples. No one marriage is more valid than another so no-one can complain about who's married and who's not. Look at TT for example, he thinks everyone is an apostate sinner, but no-one cares 'cos that's just his whacked out opinion. Muslims and jews don't feel betrayed by the government because there is that looney TT walking around. Sure they think he's rude but they don't feel that the government is discriminating against them because TT still thinks its the 1500's and the sun goes round the earth.. At the same time TTs happy 'cos he gets to believe that he's totally correct, and that despite what the government does he's still thinks he's the only one going to heaven. Everyone's happy, or at least as happy as they can be.

So with my plan it would be just like that for the gays and the religious folk. Everyone as happy as they can be.

In fact with my plan the gays could get even together and form their own church which refused to recognize marriages from churches that didn't except gay marriages. The gay people could then denounce the religious folk as living in sin and not recognized as married before god, and there would be nothing they could do about it.

Now admit I am a genius.

just a question!!!

where in the bible does it say gay marriages are forbidden and are evil?

psst as slavery is now illegal and the bible says to obey the powers at be, :eek: logic hurts

So you are saying that slavery is perfectly moral, but since it is against the law, we can't do it? Or do you think that God put something in the Bible that was immoral?

Great logic there.

i didnt decide to manipulate religion, its here in this day and age so i think its dated!

ah and depends what you think i'm going to be backing up!

Oh nothing, just all the bumff in the 3.57pm post. I challenge even Derren Brown to be able to read the minds of people who died 2000/1000/600 years ago. (Sorry, I like those little '/' marks).

Air is here in this day and age. Is it dated? I'm not equating air to religion. Air can smell bad but religion often stinks a whole lot worse.

Bored of this little debate. Read the Bible. Don't know why to believe the Bible? Think of a nice little place, a little on the hot side, with lots of little guys sporting horns and sharp pointy sticks. No, not Liverpool

When those among us have so much time on their hands as to worry what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes there is a problem………….Keep your own A$$ out of trouble, that should keep you busy!

Oh nothing, just all the bumff in the 3.57pm post. I challenge even Derren Brown to be able to read the minds of people who died 2000/1000/600 years ago. (Sorry, I like those little '/' marks).

Air is here in this day and age. Is it dated? I'm not equating air to religion. Air can smell bad but religion often stinks a whole lot worse.

Bored of this little debate. Read the Bible. Don't know why to believe the Bible? Think of a nice little place, a little on the hot side, with lots of little guys sporting horns and sharp pointy sticks. No, not Liverpool

AAARG! you mean... you mean.. mexico!!!!

just a question!!!

where in the bible does it say gay marriages are forbidden and are evil?

To this, would you like some references. I'm thinking Paul's letter to Corinthians, with a bit of Leviticus thrown in for good measure.

(people with homosexual tendencies are no different from anyone else in terms of the respect they should command from the rest of the world)

NB: ZAIDAR's spot on. I's shutting up now

Re: gay marriage I could give you a long and detailed explanation on why it's wrong (ok I could steal it from my vicar)(stealing is wrong)(damn) but you're all probably so caught up in thinking your particular viewpoint is right that you wouldn't care.

No...I'd really like to hear why you think gay marriage is wrong. All I've ever heard was "Because the bible says homosexuality is wrong." Why? "Because it's unnatural."

Um...ok...then how's this...I'm gay, and I'm natural. I'm not some product of science or genetic engineering. My mother and father decided one day to love each other, get married, and a couple years later I was born. I can't contribute my homosexuality to anything but that it's always been a part of me, deep down inside.

I'm saying old slavery is moral, if you want to know the diffrences reschreach it your self.

I think religion should but out of the whole marriage issue. Traditionally marriages were strictly legal, it was only in the 12th century religion began butting in.

I think religion should but out of the whole marriage issue. Traditionally marriages were strictly legal, it was only in the 12th century religion began butting in.
profe crudinatals links or did you hear it on NS

I think religion should butt out of the whole marriage issue.

Umm, mate. If you're thinking of religion as being Christianity or Islam etc then, well... marriage is part of religion. The various governments should butt out of marriage in an ideal world. But then if you're English or American etc. your government has a little to learn about what it should or should not butt out of!!

profe crudinatals links or did you hear it on NS Try reading up a bit. I thought that was common knowledge, but oh well.

A ten second google trip gives me this (http://www.medieval-weddings.net/marriage_laws.htm), for example.

I'm saying old slavery is moral, if you want to know the diffrences reschreach it your self.

Anyone who believes slavery is moral commands no respect from me, as they obviously have little for their fellow man.

And if by "old slavery," you mean "slavery in the Bible," I have researched it plenty - it is still completely immoral.

Organized religion is not people trying to force their beliefs upon a populus. Organized religion is simply people with the same beliefs getting together and organizing, and teaching those beliefs to those who will listen. They are not forcing on anyone. If you choose not to listen, you don't have to.

Now when it does become forced, then it's wrong.

HEADSHOT! "Now when it does become forced, then it's wrong." Why do you people even CARE about what Bob and Joe or Sue and Mellinda do? How will it hurt you? If you feel that they will take a trip to hell, go ahead and laugh at them. Forcing religion on others is wrong. Keep yours off the folks who have different views. It's a small step from religion controlling marriage to religion controlling the government ala Iran, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia.

Anyone who believes slavery is moral commands no respect from me, as they obviously have little for their fellow man.

And if by "old slavery," you mean "slavery in the Bible," I have researched it plenty - it is still completely immoral.
There’s nothing morally wrong with owning slaves. How you treat them or why you have them on the other hand…

There’s nothing morally wrong with owning slaves. How you treat them or why you have them on the other hand…

There is absolutely something morally wrong with owning slaves, as you are inherently mistreating them by thinking you can own a human being.

And the rules on treatment of slaves in the Bible was no better than the way they were generally treated in the US, exept of course that slaves of certain races were actually set free occasionally.

Allowing homosexuals to marry will open the way for people to marry their mothers and children, just like allowing women to vote has allowed dogs and apples to vote.

Anyone who believes slavery is moral commands no respect from me, as they obviously have little for their fellow man.Hear hear! Take a look at his/her sig:
In the end when you are in hell I will be laughing
atheistBizzare. I do hope that Star Shadow- finds his/her way away from such hate.