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Lefties if you leave this thread alone , I will respect you more. Like that'll ever happen, you won't leave this thread alone

Four more Years! Four More years! Four More Years!

Boooooooo!!!!
*sets up a demonstration of anti-Bush people*

No Bush and No Dick in 2004! No Bush and No Dick in 2004! No Bush and No Dick in 2004!

i support his actions, but i still think he looks like a chimp. kerry isn't any better though, he sort of looks like his chin was stepped on while someone pulled his hair... and he smiles too damned much, we're in the middle of a war - quit it moron :headbang:

i support his actions, but i still think he looks like a chimp. kerry isn't any better though, he sort of looks like his chin was stepped on while someone pulled his hair. :headbang:

He he, Kerry's bad cuz he's ugly :D:D:D:!111one111oneone1111

i support his actions, but i still think he looks like a chimp. kerry isn't any better though, he sort of looks like his chin was stepped on while someone pulled his hair... and he smiles too damned much, we're in the middle of a war - quit it moron :headbang:

How nicely shallow...

Boooooooo!!!!
*sets up a demonstration of anti-Bush people*
No Bush and No Dick in 2004! No Bush and No Dick in 2004! No Bush and No Dick in 2004!Was unterstehen Sie sich! Keine sauerkraut zu dich!

Nuts to you!

How nicely shallow...
:sniper:

Boooooooo!!!!
*sets up a demonstration of anti-Bush people*

No Bush and No Dick in 2004! No Bush and No Dick in 2004! No Bush and No Dick in 2004!
So much for the mutual respect thing

i support his actions, but i still think he looks like a chimp. kerry isn't any better though, he sort of looks like his chin was stepped on while someone pulled his hair... and he smiles too damned much, we're in the middle of a war - quit it moron :headbang:

he's campaigning. he's supposed to smile.

Boooooooo!!!!
*sets up a demonstration of anti-Bush people*

No Bush and No Dick in 2004! No Bush and No Dick in 2004! No Bush and No Dick in 2004!
read the white words

never trust a liberal to have respect of anyone's wishes. it is not in their nature. Kind of like when you tell them that all those social programs that are supposed to save the world have to be paid for by people who actually work for a living, and don't appreciate handing it over to those who choose not to.

You told me you would respect me in the morning!

:fluffle:

Ha! I am a centrist! You didn't say anything about them!

Boooooooo!!!!
*sets up a demonstration of anti-Bush people*

No Bush and No Dick in 2004! No Bush and No Dick in 2004! No Bush and No Dick in 2004!

I like this guy. The first anti-Bush post comes from somone in Germany. Germany, what the hell? What Europe thinks matters absoloutly nothing to me when I go to the polls.

Don't get me wrong, I like Germany, I like German cars especially but what on God's green earth do you think you have any right to tell people in another country who to vote for? Perhaps we should delve into German problems? Maybe I should set a up a protest on your topic on why the Kaiser would be better for Germany? Better yet why don't I let the Germans decide whats best for Germany, and maybe, you know could show the same courtesy.

Vote Kaiser Willhelm for Life in the next German elections Huzzah!!

never trust a liberal to have respect of anyone's wishes. it is not in their nature. Kind of like when you tell them that all those social programs that are supposed to save the world have to be paid for by people who actually work for a living, and don't appreciate handing it over to those who choose not to.

Wowwwwww now that is about as ignornat as it can get!

What did we learn.

Liberals never respect anybody? I guess all those Christians trying to force God on everybody are liberals. Those prolifers are liberal too?

People on social programs don't want to work?

Man if I didn't know any better I would think you were one of my cracker relatives. You aren't are you? :rolleyes:

One more month! One more month!!!

he's campaigning. he's supposed to smile. either way, it still makes me want to tie him to a tree and throw large, pointed rocks at him.

It's not like you were ever going to respect us in the first place, Star Shadow-, so you might as well drop the martyr act.

Don't like Bush. Looks like a monkey, and has one of the worst domestic policies since Carter. Not worse than Carter by any means, just the worst since Carter.

That having been said, voting for Kerry because he's not Bush, as so many seem to be able to reconcile to themselves, to me is simply idiotic and frankly irresponsible. Kerry has promised everything to everyone, with anything from 1 trillion to two trillion in estimated new spending. Kerry has no plan for Iraq, and frankly his only plan, to bring other countries in because "he just can", is ridiculous, especially as he continues to decry the war in campaign speaches. Bush attempted to put it best: This war is wrong, it shouldn't have been fought, I am opposed to it, Saddam wasn't a threat (or maybe he was I've said both...), but hey come join us anyway, it'll be fun.

That and the Swift Boat ads honestly have made an impact on me, as another veteran. What sealed it was listening to Bush's acceptance speech: I liked what they guy had to say. Kerry has offered nothing, and I know much has been made of it and partisans like Inc attempted to defuse it, but just listening to the guy you know he "flip flops" on issues. People have made the point that Bush does as well; but a change in opinion from four or so years ago and coming out on both (or more) sides on issues in about a week are two very different things.

The bottom line: Kerry hasn't offered anything other than he's not Bush. I disagree with some of Bush's policies absolutely; but what I do agree with is enough for me to vote FOR him rather than to simply vote AGAINST the other guy, as seems to be in vogue this season.

Don't like Bush. Looks like a monkey, and has one of the worst domestic policies since Carter. Not worse than Carter by any means, just the worst since Carter.

That having been said, voting for Kerry because he's not Bush, as so many seem to be able to reconcile to themselves, to me is simply idiotic and frankly irresponsible. Kerry has promised everything to everyone, with anything from 1 trillion to two trillion in estimated new spending. Kerry has no plan for Iraq, and frankly his only plan, to bring other countries in because "he just can", is ridiculous, especially as he continues to decry the war in campaign speaches. Bush attempted to put it best: This war is wrong, it shouldn't have been fought, I am opposed to it, Saddam wasn't a threat (or maybe he was I've said both...), but hey come join us anyway, it'll be fun.

That and the Swift Boat ads honestly have made an impact on me, as another veteran. What sealed it was listening to Bush's acceptance speech: I liked what they guy had to say. Kerry has offered nothing, and I know much has been made of it and partisans like Inc attempted to defuse it, but just listening to the guy you know he "flip flops" on issues. People have made the point that Bush does as well; but a change in opinion from four or so years ago and coming out on both (or more) issues in about a week are two very different things.

The bottom line: Kerry hasn't offered anything other than he's not Bush. I disagree with some of Bush's policies absolutely; but what I do agree with is enough for me to vote FOR him rather than to simply vote AGAINST the other guy, as seems to be in vogue this season.
I applaud your reasoning. Now if we could just get some of these other chuckle heads to sit still long enought to break it down to them.

It's not like you were ever going to respect us in the first place, Star Shadow-, so you might as well drop the martyr act.
actually there was no mean to be a "martyr" in this thread.

Well.. i notice that the intentions of this thread were not to have people have a discussion on Bush (and his actions), but to provoke those who do not support Bush.

Star Shadow- if you already knew that, you are irritating, and shoudn't post spam.

Star Shadow- if you didn't already know that, you're just ignorant. And irritating. Because you support Bush. Makin' a bad impression of him... (not that Dubbya needs your help in making bad impressions :D *woot* ***ooooohhhhhhh*** )

Well.. i notice that the intentions of this thread were not to have people have a discussion on Bush (and his actions), but to provoke those who do not support Bush.

Star Shadow- if you already knew that, you are irritating, and shoudn't post spam.

Star Shadow- if you didn't already know that, you're just ignorant. And irritating. Because you support Bush. Makin' a bad impression of him... (not that Dubbya needs your help in making bad impressions :D *woot* ***ooooohhhhhhh*** )

What the hell? On what do you base your idiotic conclusions on?

Well.. i notice that the intentions of this thread were not to have people have a discussion on Bush (and his actions), but to provoke those who do not support Bush.

Star Shadow- if you already knew that, you are irritating, and shoudn't post spam.

Star Shadow- if you didn't already know that, you're just ignorant. And irritating. Because you support Bush. Makin' a bad impression of him... (not that Dubbya needs your help in making bad impressions :D *woot* ***ooooohhhhhhh*** )
actually I was hoping to have a intelctuall disscussion with my fellows but as stated in my first post in white I didn't think I realy had a chance.

That having been said, voting for Kerry because he's not Bush, as so many seem to be able to reconcile to themselves, to me is simply idiotic and frankly irresponsible.


Ahhhh okkkaayyy!

If you don't like the shrub, then you don't vote for him. People give their reasons and yet his defenders simply say, "You have a skewed vision or you really don't get what's going on"

I am voting for Kerry simply because the Shrub has offered me very little.


Kerry has promised everything to everyone, with anything from 1 trillion to two trillion in estimated new spending.

Sounds like a politician to me. The shrub said tiny goverment and little spending and yet he has expanded it and spends like a drunken sailor.


Kerry has no plan for Iraq, and frankly his only plan, to bring other countries in because "he just can", is ridiculous, especially as he continues to decry the war in campaign speaches.

What's the shrubs plan build a goverment and an army so we can leave. You can't foster democracy on a people that haven't known it. Especially, when they had to live with the idea the Fedayen might visit you.

What's the plan for the fighting?

Notice how they basically keep giving body counts? Where did we hear that before?


Bush attempted to put it best: This war is wrong, it shouldn't have been fought, I am opposed to it, Saddam wasn't a threat (or maybe he was I've said both...), but hey come join us anyway, it'll be fun.


It will be fun? Hmmm I wonder if the family of the 1000+ dead think that? I wonder if the disabled vets returning think that?


That and the Swift Boat ads honestly have made an impact on me, as another veteran. What sealed it was listening to Bush's acceptance speech: I liked what they guy had to say. Kerry has offered nothing, and I know much has been made of it and partisans like Inc attempted to defuse it, but just listening to the guy you know he "flip flops" on issues. People have made the point that Bush does as well; but a change in opinion from four or so years ago and coming out on both (or more) sides on issues in about a week are two very different things.

The bottom line: Kerry hasn't offered anything other than he's not Bush. I disagree with some of Bush's policies absolutely; but what I do agree with is enough for me to vote FOR him rather than to simply vote AGAINST the other guy, as seems to be in vogue this season.

Yes and the middle class is what he is preeching that too. Why is it the majority of of the middle class things are bad if not worst? Many polls have mentioned that.

I am middle class. Sure I got a tax cut. But my insurence doubled, gas is up, food is up, meds are up and general cost of living increases wiped it out.

That and the possibility of my job getting exported for the "betterment" of the country does not make me want to vote for the Shrub.

Many feel this way. The Shrub was ahead after the convention and the very first debate dropped that lead considerably.

The VP debates are probably going to work against him as well. Cheney is just a nasty old SOD and he is facing a "kid" that everybody seems to like(well the hardcore conservative excluded off course).

I think the 2nd debate will give a good indicator of is in store for the shrub. It's town hall and that is supposed to be his thing. If he looses that, I think he will be a one timer just like daddy.

I applaud your reasoning. Now if we could just get some of these other chuckle heads to sit still long enought to break it down to them.


Well then.

Why don't you start?

oh well, mods this thread is just goning to go the flames and I don't want to wait around and wacht it start.

Boooooooo!!!!
*sets up a demonstration of anti-Bush people*

No Bush and No Dick in 2004! No Bush and No Dick in 2004! No Bush and No Dick in 2004!

Come on asshole, please demonstrate that most liberals have the decency to not harass people when they explicitly ask for it.

Jeez.

EDIT: I apologize to you conservatives that certain obnoxious, rude as freaking hell liberals have deliberately flamed away even when specifically asked not to. C'mon folks, don't feed the fucking troll!

either way, it still makes me want to tie him to a tree and throw large, pointed rocks at him.

i wouldn't reccomend doing that, though.

perhaps use a picture of him as a dartboard?

i'm for bush, but dad's for kerry.... which is weird cuz i'm the sandle wearing love thy neighbor hippy and he's mr. fire and brimestone. i think he's pissed about those multiple bearing false witness infractions against the administration.

i'm for bush, but dad's for kerry.... which is weird cuz i'm the sandle wearing love thy neighbor hippy and he's mr. fire and brimestone. i think he's pissed about those multiple bearing false witness infractions against the administration.

What about Ghostie, what does he think?

Speaking of which...is he your brother? Mom? How DOES Mister Spirit fit on to your family? o_O

what on God's green earth do you think you have any right to tell people in another country who to vote for?

Actually, I think he SHOULD have a right to tell you who to vote for. Why? Because you live in America.

Don't get me wrong. I am not telling you how bad and arrogant and war loving you are (at least not this time), I'm saying this about America because it is the most powerful country in the world. Put simply, the decisions that America makes in the next four years will almost certainly involve other countries in ways that could be anywhere from law-changing to life-threatening. That is very different from most countries.

Take my country for example. In terms of political matters and decisions, we just mind ourselves, thus only New Zealanders should really vote for the New Zealand government. America is the complete flip side of this, and many decisions that it makes will heavily involve other countries, probably including Germany.

The representatives for parts of the whole world should be able to have a say for it's superpower (not necessarily votes though).


voting for Kerry because he's not Bush, as so many seem to be able to reconcile to themselves, to me is simply idiotic and frankly irresponsible.

Normally this would be true, but I will have to disagree with you now. The fact is, Kerry is the ONLY person who could possibly stand up to Bush, and because most sane people want any better alternative than Bush, any sane person would also vote for the person he is against (provided they are better than he is, which Kerry most likely will be).

That said, Kerry won't be perfect. But he will be better than Bush, and he is the only person who has a chance against him.

Remember - we want anything but Bush!

Remember - we want anything but Bush!

This is idiotic. Sure, Bush is a liar and a moron, he screwed up the education syestem, and the economy, AND our foregin relations, but most beople that agree with me are too STUPID to realize that they're not getting anything by voting for Kerry. He WON'T stop the war in Iraq, but we've dug ourselves so far into that pit that, if we pull out now, we'd leave Iraq in utter CHAOS!

Getting bact to the point...

Kerry WON'T fix the education system, he WON'T lower ouf military spending (currently more then EIGHT TIMES what we're spending on education!) he WON'T increase taxes on the rich (who have too much money anyway, just think about it, If a guy makes $200,000,000 dollars a month, and our tax rate for him is 25%, then we take $50,000,000 and he's left with $150,000,000, which is too much for one guy anyway, but if we raised the taxes on the 250,000+ income range to 50%, we'd be making $62,500+ PER RICH GUY every year! Just think how much we could do with that money!)

Everyone knows Bush won't do it, BUT KERRY WON'T DO IT EITHER!

When you have a choice between Tweedledumb and Tweedle-just-as-dumb, who do you pick?


If you managed to last through my ranting, good for you! And no, the grammar isn't the best, but I was just randomly typing down ideas, so...

This is idiotic. Sure, Bush is a liar and a moron, he screwed up the education syestem, and the economy, AND our foregin relations, but most beople that agree with me are too STUPID to realize that they're not getting anything by voting for Kerry. He WON'T stop the war in Iraq, but we've dug ourselves so far into that pit that, if we pull out now, we'd leave Iraq in utter CHAOS!

Getting bact to the point...

Kerry WON'T fix the education system, he WON'T lower ouf military spending (currently more then EIGHT TIMES what we're spending on education!) he WON'T increase taxes on the rich (who have too much money anyway, just think about it, If a guy makes $200,000,000 dollars a month, and our tax rate for him is 25%, then we take $50,000,000 and he's left with $150,000,000, which is too much for one guy anyway, but if we raised the taxes on the 250,000+ income range to 50%, we'd be making $62,500+ PER RICH GUY every year! Just think how much we could do with that money!)

Everyone knows Bush won't do it, BUT KERRY WON'T DO IT EITHER!

When you have a choice between Tweedledumb and Tweedle-just-as-dumb, who do you pick?


If you managed to last through my ranting, good for you! And no, the grammar isn't the best, but I was just randomly typing down ideas, so...

Your wrong.

Kerry will take away the tax beark for the top 1%, that Bush gave them.
He will give it back to the Middle Class, like Clinton did.
Say what you will about Clinton, but his economic policy record cant be challenged.

Ah, but with Kerry's record as a FLIP-FLOP, you can't be sure weither he actually WILL or not.

And besides, that only adresses ONE of my points.

As someone else earlier said, the moron being voted to be the potus for the next 4 years will have to decide on certain things which will of course also affect Germany. Unfortunately Germany is still in NATO (no need for it anymore *shrug*) and Bush or Kerry will decide whether or not Iran will be attacked next, further destabilizing the middle east, which is somewhat close to Germany. I do not want to see Bush be re-elected. And frankly, I don't care what conditions you make for a thread. If I want to post in it, then I will :)

kerry looks like horse and bush looks like a monkey
as we all know, monkeys are one of the smartest types of animals, therefore the choice is clear, vote for bush!

Ah, but with Kerry's record as a FLIP-FLOP, you can't be sure weither he actually WILL or not.

And besides, that only adresses ONE of my points.


First of all, The reason people like you think that Kerry IS axctually a flip-flopper, is that you listen to Fox News and believe whatever you hear.

Secondly, as to your other silly point,

Kerry will very likely not spend as much as Bush has on the Military Budget, mainly by not invading any countries.....thus...theres going to be some money left over.....where do you think it will be spent?
Thats right....education.

kerry looks like horse and bush looks like a monkey
as we all know, monkeys are one of the smartest types of animals, therefore the choice is clear, vote for bush!

Monkeys also are fond of eating thier own poo, and throwing it at people.

kerry looks like horse and bush looks like a monkey
as we all know, monkeys are one of the smartest types of animals, therefore the choice is clear, vote for bush!
that's an interesting way to choose who to vote for.

This is idiotic. Sure, Bush is a liar and a moron, he screwed up the education syestem, and the economy, AND our foregin relations, but most beople that agree with me are too STUPID to realize that they're not getting anything by voting for Kerry. He WON'T stop the war in Iraq, but we've dug ourselves so far into that pit that, if we pull out now, we'd leave Iraq in utter CHAOS!

Getting bact to the point...

Kerry WON'T fix the education system, he WON'T lower ouf military spending (currently more then EIGHT TIMES what we're spending on education!) he WON'T increase taxes on the rich (who have too much money anyway, just think about it, If a guy makes $200,000,000 dollars a month, and our tax rate for him is 25%, then we take $50,000,000 and he's left with $150,000,000, which is too much for one guy anyway, but if we raised the taxes on the 250,000+ income range to 50%, we'd be making $62,500+ PER RICH GUY every year! Just think how much we could do with that money!)

Everyone knows Bush won't do it, BUT KERRY WON'T DO IT EITHER!

When you have a choice between Tweedledumb and Tweedle-just-as-dumb, who do you pick?


If you managed to last through my ranting, good for you! And no, the grammar isn't the best, but I was just randomly typing down ideas, so...

ugh, I agree. kerry sucks too. I wanted Howard Dean, bad. kerry does not impress me - if he keeps his campaign promises to double the number of troops in active duty then he could possibly be worse than bush...bush has a very big straight jacket to fill, but kerry is trying his best.

ugh, I agree. kerry sucks too. I wanted Howard Dean, bad. kerry does not impress me - if he keeps his campaign promises to double the number of troops in active duty then he could possibly be worse than bush...bush has a very big straight jacket to fill, but kerry is trying his best.

Yeah, Howard Dean had my vote too. I even would've voted for him after the "Dean goes nuts" speech.

What about Ghostie, what does he think?

Speaking of which...is he your brother? Mom? How DOES Mister Spirit fit on to your family? o_O

the ghost claims to be for nader, but i think he's just being contrary. as to our relationship, he'd like to claim to be my brother, but i look at him more as a divine family dog.

i seriously hope that bush is reelected, i dont think i could stand the thought of that flipflopper kerry running the country i live in! sorry to name call, but all he does is flip flop, and there is just something about him that makes me cringe...and want to hurl
what chance do you think bush has of getting reelected?
kerry= :sniper: :mp5:

Kerry = big socialist government
Bush = big brother government


No, seriously, who does a libertarian vote for? I only think Kerry because he wouldn't be able to push through near as much through a Republican congress anyway.

He he, Kerry's bad cuz he's ugly :D:D:D:!111one111oneone1111
Bush isn't a beauty queen either.

I like this guy. The first anti-Bush post comes from somone in Germany. Germany, what the hell? What Europe thinks matters absoloutly nothing to me when I go to the polls.

Don't get me wrong, I like Germany, I like German cars especially but what on God's green earth do you think you have any right to tell people in another country who to vote for? Perhaps we should delve into German problems? Maybe I should set a up a protest on your topic on why the Kaiser would be better for Germany? Better yet why don't I let the Germans decide whats best for Germany, and maybe, you know could show the same courtesy.
Could you post a link to that?

Vote Kaiser Willhelm for Life in the next German elections Huzzah!!
HELL YEAH!!!! :)

Your wrong.

Kerry will take away the tax beark for the top 1%, that Bush gave them.
He will give it back to the Middle Class, like Clinton did.
Say what you will about Clinton, but his economic policy record cant be challenged.

And that'll never pass the Republican Control House since ALL MONEY BILLS start in the House. So that is a dead issue. :p

First of all, The reason people like you think that Kerry IS axctually a flip-flopper, is that you listen to Fox News and believe whatever you hear.

Secondly, as to your other silly point,

Kerry will very likely not spend as much as Bush has on the Military Budget, mainly by not invading any countries.....thus...theres going to be some money left over.....where do you think it will be spent?
Thats right....education.

Nope! If that occurs, the money will go to his Healthcare plan that won't pass Congress either because it is socialist.

Your wrong. Kerry will take away the tax beark for the top 1%, that Bush gave them. He will give it back to the Middle Class, like Clinton did. Say what you will about Clinton, but his economic policy record cant be challenged.

Kerry cannot pay for his "feelgood" programs with what those tax increases alone will bring in. He will HAVE to raise taxes to accomplish what he says he will do. However, you can believe what you like, the man has a definite history of tax increase voting.

IF he is elected, he will have to deal with a Republican House and Senate and THAT will ensure that he will not get most if not all of what he wants to do done. Thank god for gridlock.

Monkeys also are fond of eating thier own poo, and throwing it at people.
ROTFLMAO :D

Has anyone seen Conan O Briens Kerry imitation? Conans kinda left but thats good stuff. Anyways, yeah 4 more years! As for you dems, im sorry if i dont want some metrosexual North Carolina Ambulance chaser as my first lady.

Osama Bin Ladin wants YOU to vote for George Bush!

After all, George hasn't been able to find him in over three years, and he has been a fabulous recruiter. Better the Bozo you know, and who can't shoot straight, than some unknown chin, er, quantity, eh?....

Kerry cannot pay for his "feelgood" programs with what those tax increases alone will bring in. He will HAVE to raise taxes to accomplish what he says he will do. However, you can believe what you like, the man has a definite history of tax increase voting.

IF he is elected, he will have to deal with a Republican House and Senate and THAT will ensure that he will not get most if not all of what he wants to do done. Thank god for gridlock.
Well, probably a Republican House, but a Democratic Senate is looking more and more likely every day, since we're holding leads in the incumbent races we're trying to hold onto, and we're winning open seat races in states that will likely go to Bush, namely Oklahoma and Alaska and North Carolina. It's also still tight in South Carolina, strangely enough, we're winning Florida, and though Louisiana won't be decided until December, Democrats have held those Senate seats for decades.

As to the first point, Kerry will be able to pay for those programs without raising taxes--he just has to close the loopholes that allow companies like Stanley tools to set up a shell corporation in Bermuda, funnel all the profits there, and then avoid corporate income taxes here. Do that, combined with the tax increase on the wealthiest, add in a true economic recovery and you're on your way to fiscal health.

Whereas under Bush's 2005 budget, places like the VA--already strapped and understaffed--will be asked to cut staffing by 15% according to a recent Washington Post article.

Check the latest Senate Projects from Electoral-Vote.com

Senate--49 Dem, 50 Repub, 1 Independent.

Total Electoral Vote

Bush 321 Kerry 200

kerry looks like horse and bush looks like a monkey
as we all know, monkeys are one of the smartest types of animals, therefore the choice is clear, vote for bush!


Actually I have met some rather smart horses in my time.

Problem with your analogy is the fact that most monkeys are smarter then then shrub! ;)