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Prostitutes and porn stars - is there a difference?

Sydenia
05-10-2004, 02:30
Though I think there are a few exceptions, pretty much across North America prostitution is illegal. And yet, pornography is legal (and again, there may be the odd exception), where people are paid to have sex on camera.

Now granted, unlike prostitution, the person paying isn't the person asking for sex. However that's a relatively small difference, and a pretty insignificant one from an ethical point of view.

Anyhow. The legality of prostitution and pornography is another debate, I just found the double standard to be interesting. Back on topic, do you make any distinction between porn stars and prostitutes? If so, why? If not, why not?

Discuss.
Skibereen
05-10-2004, 02:38
Porn is getting much better about health issues, it pays better.
Other then that I dont see a difference.
I also dont believe prostitution should be illegal(regulated yes, illegal no).
Chess Squares
05-10-2004, 02:38
well in pornography, 2 people are paid to have sex with each other
in prostitution, 1 person is paid to have sex with the payer

so if you were to buy 2 prostitutes and pay them to have sex with each other, it would be legal
Sydenia
05-10-2004, 02:55
well in pornography, 2 people are paid to have sex with each other
in prostitution, 1 person is paid to have sex with the payer

so if you were to buy 2 prostitutes and pay them to have sex with each other, it would be legal

Yeah, but that's no fun. :( Unless you got a friend to pay for you... :\
Arenestho
05-10-2004, 03:21
Though I think there are a few exceptions, pretty much across North America prostitution is illegal. And yet, pornography is legal (and again, there may be the odd exception), where people are paid to have sex on camera.

Now granted, unlike prostitution, the person paying isn't the person asking for sex. However that's a relatively small difference, and a pretty insignificant one from an ethical point of view.

Anyhow. The legality of prostitution and pornography is another debate, I just found the double standard to be interesting. Back on topic, do you make any distinction between porn stars and prostitutes? If so, why? If not, why not?

Discuss.
Prostitution is with anyone, anytime. Pornography is a bunch of people in relatively good environments.
Sydenia
05-10-2004, 03:23
Prostitution is with anyone, anytime. Pornography is a bunch of people in relatively good environments.

True, but porn stars aren't exactly known for being picky about their choice of partners. And besides, it would be kind of odd to suggest that the only ethical issue with prostitution was the number of partners, or where they were found.
Incertonia
05-10-2004, 03:30
True, but porn stars aren't exactly known for being picky about their choice of partners. And besides, it would be kind of odd to suggest that the only ethical issue with prostitution was the number of partners, or where they were found.
Actually, they are, and it surprised me to discover that as well, especially among female "stars." At the lower end--as in most businesses--your options are limited.
Sydenia
05-10-2004, 03:32
Actually, they are, and it surprised me to discover that as well, especially among female "stars." At the lower end--as in most businesses--your options are limited.

Point taken. But there are other actors who have 20+ movies below their belts. Assuming just one partner in each movie - and that would be nearly unheard of - and you have more sexual partners in a decade than most people will have in their lifetime.

I suppose picky is a relative term, but I don't think you could find any normal person with around, say... 20 to 30 sexual partners who would be deemed 'picky' by general social standards.
Penguinista
05-10-2004, 03:33
Porn stars are generally pretty good looking and have sex with other people for money.

Prostitutes are somewhat decent looking and will have sex with YOU for money.

The difference I guess is how much YOU are involved.
Incertonia
05-10-2004, 03:35
Point taken. But there are other actors who have 20+ movies below their belts. Assuming just one partner in each movie - and that would be nearly unheard of - and you have more sexual partners in a decade than most people will have in their lifetime.

I suppose picky is a relative term, but I don't think you could find any normal person with around, say... 20 to 30 sexual partners who would be deemed 'picky' by general social standards.
Oh--I understand what you're saying now. Miscommunication on my part. I was talking about picky in terms of the general preconceptions of the industry, whereas you were talking about the real world. My bad.
Sydenia
05-10-2004, 03:38
No no, that's my bad. I speak as though everyone magically knows what I'm thinking; there's a word for that... I can't recall what it is at the moment. Sorry for any confusion. o.o;
Ashmoria
05-10-2004, 04:40
ya know, thats a good question

it sure seems like it SHOULD be illegal to get paid for sex in a movie if it is also illegal to have sex for money in someones car.

i dont think porn in generally made where prostitution is legal. (at least not in the US) i dont know why its not evidence of a crime and all the sex actors arrested for prostitution and the directors and producers for pandering.

it must all come down to money eh? we hate to arrest rich people even if they are sleazy.

sex laws are so schitzo
Christophpher
05-10-2004, 05:00
The distinction, as I always saw it, was that prostitutes get paid to perform various sex acts, while porn stars get paid for being filmed while performing various sex acts. But I suppose by a continuation of this logic it would be legal to pay a prostitute to let you film her having sex with your friend, as long as you told her specifically that you were only paying her for the filming, not for the sex. At which point she would probably say no to the sex, since you're not paying for it....so I guess that wouldn't work...
Incertonia
05-10-2004, 05:08
That is the distinction--because the actors are being paid for their performances, and the end result is protected as speech and expression, pornography isn't illegal, although it can be restricted. Prostitution isn't a protected expression. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but there it is.
Asssassins
05-10-2004, 05:26
What is the name of their union? Adult Film??? Adult Entertainers???

As opposed, there is no registered union for prostitution.

As pointed out porn stars get paid for their 'role' in the script, and the prostitute gets 'rolled' for the payment.
Jever Pilsener
05-10-2004, 11:53
Though I think there are a few exceptions, pretty much across North America prostitution is illegal. And yet, pornography is legal (and again, there may be the odd exception), where people are paid to have sex on camera.

Now granted, unlike prostitution, the person paying isn't the person asking for sex. However that's a relatively small difference, and a pretty insignificant one from an ethical point of view.

Anyhow. The legality of prostitution and pornography is another debate, I just found the double standard to be interesting. Back on topic, do you make any distinction between porn stars and prostitutes? If so, why? If not, why not?

Discuss.
I heard it's only legal in Nevada. And yes. There is a distinction. Adult actors don't stand by the roadside waiting for business. Unless the script says so. And you can't just rent them for a party. Unless your in the industry.
New Florence Marie
05-10-2004, 12:01
Pornography has better lighting.
Terminalia
05-10-2004, 12:12
Pornography should be banned, and prostitution off the streets.
The Imperial Navy
05-10-2004, 12:20
Major difference between porn and prostitutes: Porn Stars tend to actually be attractive.
The Imperial Navy
05-10-2004, 12:24
Pornography should be banned, and prostitution off the streets.

I think somone needs to get laid...
Jever Pilsener
05-10-2004, 12:30
I think somone needs to get laid...
Yeah. Me. :D
Terminalia
05-10-2004, 12:31
I think somone needs to get laid...

lol

I want a few days break if anything :D
The Imperial Navy
05-10-2004, 12:37
lol

I want a few days break if anything :D

heh heh heh. good twist of words.

but i must ask you. are you a virgin? or are you female?
I think i am the bomb
05-10-2004, 12:41
why can't we pay to have sex or watch other people have sex??
we pay for everything else!!... freebies are good.. but sometimes paid are even better.. u know wut i mean??...
if one is willing to buy and one is willing to sell.. wuts there to stop them??
Terminalia
05-10-2004, 12:59
heh heh heh. good twist of words.

but i must ask you. are you a virgin? or are you female?

Wouldnt you like to know big boy. ;)
The Imperial Navy
05-10-2004, 13:08
Wouldnt you like to know big boy. ;)

*Scared*
Camewot
05-10-2004, 13:15
Pornography should be banned, and prostitution off the streets.

A teacher of mine once said: "Thankgod we have prostitution, otherwise there would be much more raping."
-Taliban-
05-10-2004, 13:15
Depends on what type of porn you are talking about.
Hardcore porn would be the same as prostitution whereas soft porn would not.
-Taliban-
05-10-2004, 13:17
I heard it's only legal in Nevada. And yes. There is a distinction. Adult actors don't stand by the roadside waiting for business. Unless the script says so. And you can't just rent them for a party. Unless your in the industry.
That's a stereotype. Most prostitutes don't stand by the roadside. Only the most desperate and homeless ones do.
Most do it out of their homes or 'official' businesses or places of employment.
Indeed most use the net to find their clientele.
-Taliban-
05-10-2004, 13:19
well in pornography, 2 people are paid to have sex with each other
in prostitution, 1 person is paid to have sex with the payer

so if you were to buy 2 prostitutes and pay them to have sex with each other, it would be legal
Porn is not always about two people being paid to have intercourse, most often its about women being paid to strip out of their clothes and dance around or masturbate.
Terminalia
05-10-2004, 13:21
*Scared*

Hello sailor! ;)
Martian Free Colonies
05-10-2004, 13:22
Though I think there are a few exceptions, pretty much across North America prostitution is illegal. And yet, pornography is legal (and again, there may be the odd exception), where people are paid to have sex on camera.

Now granted, unlike prostitution, the person paying isn't the person asking for sex. However that's a relatively small difference, and a pretty insignificant one from an ethical point of view.

Anyhow. The legality of prostitution and pornography is another debate, I just found the double standard to be interesting. Back on topic, do you make any distinction between porn stars and prostitutes? If so, why? If not, why not?

Discuss.

Prostitution IS legal, at least here in the UK. On the other hand, most things connected to it aren't ('living off immoral earnings' - ie pimping, running a brothel, soliciting etc). But giving someone money in exchange for sex is perfectly legal. Check your laws - you might find it is in your place too (actually given it's the US, maybe not). It's just things like kerb crawling, streetwalking, and pimping that the police come down on.
Terminalia
05-10-2004, 13:22
A teacher of mine once said: "Thankgod we have prostitution, otherwise there would be much more raping."

True, either that or alot of guys would be necking themselves.
Terminalia
05-10-2004, 13:24
Depends on what type of porn you are talking about.
Hardcore porn would be the same as prostitution whereas soft porn would not.

All porn, theres too much of it.
Camewot
05-10-2004, 13:44
Sometimes prostitution is porno.

1. Someone pays a 'hooker' to have sex with him.
2. He has a good time and tapes it.
3. He puts it on a website.

Voila, you have porn!
Camewot
05-10-2004, 13:45
All porn, theres too much of it.

Why is there to much of it? Theres nothing wrong with it, if people wanna watch it? Fine! If people get scammed over it through payment those websites need to be cracked down on.
But then again, I have read that if you watch porn before you make love it has a positive effect.


...

And stuff.
Togarmah
05-10-2004, 13:46
The US model penal code defines prostitution thus: (which is the basis of many states laws)

"A person is guilty of prostitution when such person engages or agrees or offers to engage in sexual conduct for return for a fee."

No question then, hard core porn actors are prostitutes. And just 'cos its in a movie doesn't give it protection under freedom of expression. You couldn't rob someone and later claim that because it was filmed for a movie it was protected expression.

Probably, no one can be bothered to track down and prosecute the actors for petty crimes though, and that's why they don't get charged.
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
05-10-2004, 14:05
Although they both may be professional sluts there is a difference. In one instance two or more professionals are working together in front of a camera. They are working to produce a product which can be reproduced and sold. The consumer is left to service themselves or they will use the product to help get their partner in an amorous mood. The product itself is nothing more than a visual and auditory aphrodisiac. Although sometimes only visual. There is nothing wrong with making aphrodisiacs. But only so long as nothing is harmed in the making of those aphrodisiacs. I would rather people make porn than have them go out on safari to kill rhinos.

Prostitutes on the other hand are professionals in the service industry. They work with their clients to service them personally. Which apparently is considered immoral, especially if the client is married. Although there is a greater possibility of spreading disease through this profession. It's all the more reason why it should be legalized and regulated.
Martian Free Colonies
05-10-2004, 14:13
Although they both may be professional sluts there is a difference. In one instance two or more professionals are working together in front of a camera. They are working to produce a product which can be reproduced and sold. The consumer is left to service themselves or they will use the product to help get their partner in an amorous mood. The product itself is nothing more than a visual and auditory aphrodisiac. Although sometimes only visual. There is nothing wrong with making aphrodisiacs. But only so long as nothing is harmed in the making of those aphrodisiacs. I would rather people make porn than have them go out on safari to kill rhinos.

Prostitutes on the other hand are professionals in the service industry. They work with their clients to service them personally. Which apparently is considered immoral, especially if the client is married. Although there is a greater possibility of spreading disease through this profession. It's all the more reason why it should be legalized and regulated.

Sluts? Ouch! They're just working. Probably trying to feed a drug habit and being preyed on by unscrupulous movie makers, too, but then they share that with many prostitutes and their pimps.
Diamond Mind
05-10-2004, 14:16
Anyone can pay to have sex with a prostitute, you can't do that with most pornstars as far as I know, If I'm wrong correct me...please! Pornstars are like models or actresses, albeit bad ones. All these vidcam girls aren't exactly pornstars as such, I think that's a third category.
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
05-10-2004, 14:20
Sluts? Ouch! They're just working.
Hence why I called them professionals.
Dolvich
05-10-2004, 14:28
Prostitution IS legal, at least here in the UK. On the other hand, most things connected to it aren't ('living off immoral earnings' - ie pimping, running a brothel, soliciting etc). But giving someone money in exchange for sex is perfectly legal. Check your laws - you might find it is in your place too (actually given it's the US, maybe not). It's just things like kerb crawling, streetwalking, and pimping that the police come down on.

What are you talking about? Prostitution legal in England? They have shows on tv where police set up prostitutes and arrest them. I've lived in England most of my life and as far as I know prostitution is illegal in the UK. Perhaps you have the UK confused with Amsterdam.
Post-Enlightenment
05-10-2004, 15:10
What are you talking about? Prostitution legal in England? They have shows on tv where police set up prostitutes and arrest them. I've lived in England most of my life and as far as I know prostitution is illegal in the UK. Perhaps you have the UK confused with Amsterdam.

Try reading my post. I said it was legal to pay for sex with people, but that most activities surrounding it were criminal. Hence they often arrest women, especially streetwalkers for soliciting (which IS illegal), they arrest pimps for living off immoral earnings, if two prostitutes share the same accommodation it is a brothel, which is illegal, I believe kerb crawling has also been criminalised in some cities by local authorities etc etc. Also prostitutes are often illegal immigrants, or drug users, or other things which are illegal. But paying for sex is not illegal.

The soliciting issue is why you see all of the cards in your local newsagents advertising 'sensual massage', or 'French lessons'. They can claim that those are not invitations to have sex for money, it merely just happened that when the guy got there they came to a private arrangement, which is perfectly legal.

No, I am not confused, thank you - I have lived here for my entire 38 years.
Martian Free Colonies
05-10-2004, 15:12
Try reading my post. I said it was legal to pay for sex with people, but that most activities surrounding it were criminal. Hence they often arrest women, especially streetwalkers for soliciting (which IS illegal), they arrest pimps for living off immoral earnings, if two prostitutes share the same accommodation it is a brothel, which is illegal, I believe kerb crawling has also been criminalised in some cities by local authorities etc etc. Also prostitutes are often illegal immigrants, or drug users, or other things which are illegal. But paying for sex is not illegal.

The soliciting issue is why you see all of the cards in your local newsagents advertising 'sensual massage', or 'French lessons'. They can claim that those are not invitations to have sex for money, it merely just happened that when the guy got there they came to a private arrangement, which is perfectly legal.

No, I am not confused, thank you - I have lived here for my entire 38 years.


Arggg! Puppet post again. Sorry - my computer keeps logging me out and automatically logging me back in as my alternate power...

Back to the dunce's cap...

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Crabcake Baba Ganoush
05-10-2004, 15:17
Arggg! Puppet post again. Sorry - my computer keeps logging me out and automatically logging me back in as my alternate power...

Back to the dunce's cap...

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I hate the auto log out. It sometimes logs me out whenever I’m tying a rather lengthy post. :mad:
Biff Pileon
05-10-2004, 15:18
Yeah, there's a difference. I would do quite a few porn stars, but I would not do a streetwalker.
Togarmah
05-10-2004, 16:29
The US model penal code defines prostitution thus: (which is the basis of many states laws)

"A person is guilty of prostitution when such person engages or agrees or offers to engage in sexual conduct for return for a fee."

Porn stars "engage in sexual conduct for return for a fee", this is beyond dispute. They have sex and they are paid for it are they not. The fact that they do it in front of a camera for later distribution is immaterial. They still perform the actus reus. Therefore in the US they are prostitutes.

Simply because it is filmed for commercial distribution does not render the underlying criminal conduct nugatory. It is still criminal prostitution despite it being a "performance." Otherwise one could simply film any crime one chose for later distribution and claim, for example, it was not a robbery but rather the production of an action movie. And don't say "but no-one gets hurt making porn" because gone are the days of that soft focus feature stuff. Ask any man... of course he'll deny all knowledge.
Snorklenork
05-10-2004, 16:44
I think in Australia it's reversed. Pornography is more restricted than prostitution (you can only legally buy pronography in the Australian Capital Territory, but you can legally pay for a prostitute in any Australian State). I really don't know why.
Demented Hamsters
05-10-2004, 16:50
I think in Australia it's reversed. Pornography is more restricted than prostitution (you can only legally buy pronography in the Australian Capital Territory, but you can legally pay for a prostitute in any Australian State). I really don't know why.
Doesn't surprise me really. Everything in Australia is back-to-front. ;)
Graeme Phillips
05-10-2004, 16:58
As Dudley Moore pointed out in "10", the only difference between a broad and a hooker is that the hooker makes the price going in. They both screw for money; some broads do it for other things, but in a way, they sell it.
Demented Hamsters
05-10-2004, 16:59
Anyone can pay to have sex with a prostitute, you can't do that with most pornstars as far as I know, If I'm wrong correct me...please! Pornstars are like models or actresses, albeit bad ones. All these vidcam girls aren't exactly pornstars as such, I think that's a third category.
I think some will perform for you for a massive fee. I vaguely remember reading about it in a porn mag a couple of years ago. Check their websites.
Certainly an interesting point being raised.
I've wondered why not more prostitutes aren't interested in trying out porn. I mean, the works the same, except the guy's better looking (unless it's Ron Jeremy), safer (STD and psycho-wise), the moneys far better (I think it's around $1 grand for the women - more if they're 'stars' - and only a couple of hundred for the men), the location's better and they're only doing it a couple of times a day, at the most.
As for the fear someone the woman knows will see them on the film, how many of you guys look closely at the women's face? And usually they're made up so much, they're unrecognisable (um. apparently. I 've never watched one of course. Also I've never read a porno. The bit above about the porno mag wasn't me. I was told about from a flatmate).
Makes more sense really, if you're forced into this profession.
The Irken Peoples
05-10-2004, 17:00
Funny, I had this discussion with a coworker a couple weeks ago. Neither of us are lawyers, so outside of a few lewd jokes, the conversation didn't go anywhere. ;-)

What spurred the conversation, though, is interesting. A few months back, I was websearching for stuff on how to become a movie director. Came across a website that basically offered you to be a porn director. Pick girls from a lineup, submit a script, they'd film it for you and send it to you but they reserved marketing rights.

Now, the funny part. For an additional fee, you could direct the movie on-set. And for another additional fee, you could be *in* the movie. Thinly veiled front, to me.

A little bit more searching turned up a number of "modelling agencies," mainly in southern California. along with some basic instructions on how to set up your own pornography operation. The implication was that with some extra cash, a buddy to be the "camera man", and a digital camcorder, your average Joe would have no problem getting girls whenever he wanted, not to mention a small steady stream of extra income from sale of the videos.
Spoffin
05-10-2004, 17:54
Though I think there are a few exceptions, pretty much across North America prostitution is illegal. And yet, pornography is legal (and again, there may be the odd exception), where people are paid to have sex on camera.

Now granted, unlike prostitution, the person paying isn't the person asking for sex. However that's a relatively small difference, and a pretty insignificant one from an ethical point of view.

Anyhow. The legality of prostitution and pornography is another debate, I just found the double standard to be interesting. Back on topic, do you make any distinction between porn stars and prostitutes? If so, why? If not, why not?

Discuss.
The reason its protected in America is cos of the 1st Amendment. Its argued that putting it on camera makes a difference, in the same way that a boxing match is just two guys beating the crap out of each other unless you have an audience.

I'm not sure I agree with this as a meaningful distinction, but thats the way that the courts chose to see it.
Spoffin
05-10-2004, 17:57
Porn stars "engage in sexual conduct for return for a fee", this is beyond dispute. They have sex and they are paid for it are they not. The fact that they do it in front of a camera for later distribution is immaterial. They still perform the actus reus. Therefore in the US they are prostitutes.

Simply because it is filmed for commercial distribution does not render the underlying criminal conduct nugatory. It is still criminal prostitution despite it being a "performance." Otherwise one could simply film any crime one chose for later distribution and claim, for example, it was not a robbery but rather the production of an action movie. And don't say "but no-one gets hurt making porn" because gone are the days of that soft focus feature stuff. Ask any man... of course he'll deny all knowledge.
Yeah, I think that is pretty odd. Its the way the courts see it though, as I understand.

Personally I think they should both be legal, but ironicly, freedom of sex isn't the easiest arguement to sell :D
Spoffin
05-10-2004, 17:59
... and prostitution off the streets. I agree. I see no reason to have sex on the streets, its just showing off.
Spoffin
05-10-2004, 18:01
A teacher of mine once said: "Thankgod we have prostitution, otherwise there would be much more raping."
I disagree. I, and leading psychologists, think that rape is a crime where the motive is power, not sex.
Legless Pirates
05-10-2004, 18:02
Most pornstars are ugly and most whores are very ugly. That's the difference.
Spoffin
05-10-2004, 18:05
Most pornstars are ugly and most whores are very ugly. That's the difference.Thats not actually a particularly useful or insightful point
Legless Pirates
05-10-2004, 18:17
Thats not actually a particularly useful or insightful point
It's what people call "an observation"
Cowboy EKt
05-10-2004, 18:32
The way I see it, dating is the same as prostitution. You take a girl out to eat, the movies, or dancing. You pay for her time with you and she sleeps with you. Pretty much prostitution to me!!!!!
The Dark Monkey
05-10-2004, 18:34
:fluffle: <-- Porno or prostitution you be the judge?
Wottsamottadelphia
05-10-2004, 18:42
There is a very small difference, perhaps, but one that keeps porn stars out of the way of a prostitution charge. They are "acting" so to speak. They are being paid to act on screen. The sex in which they engage is consensual as between the "partners" and neither sex partner(s) is paying the other to engage in sexual acts.

So, even if the law would define what they do as prostitution, from a law enforcement standpoint, porn film actors are a step away from crossing the line into criminally prosecuted side of prostitution because they are not soliciting, they are not "pandering," they are not operating a brothel, etc.

I wonder.... If a group of swinging couples were to film an orgy and sell it and share in the profits would they be prostitutes too?
Mr Basil Fawlty
05-10-2004, 18:45
I prefer pornstars because they look better.

Problem is that most girls don't wan't to have sex anymore after a day filming.I read in a paper that most female pornstars only have sex on the job and no mor ein private life. :(
Copsland
05-10-2004, 19:05
I believe that prostitution and porn starts are different on the fact that prostitutes have sex for money and the fact that they are either not pleased with their body or they can't afford to pay any bills so they sell their body, while porn stars have sex because they have a great body and people want to see her naked. She on the other hand is pleased with her body and just loves to show it off. I am a guy, never dealt with prostitution or been on a sex video. But I would like to have a long talk with those who have.
Ashmoria
05-10-2004, 19:39
Most pornstars are ugly and most whores are very ugly. That's the difference.
you need to solicit a better class of girl. if you stay away from the crack whores there are some very attractive prostitutes out there.
at least in nevada....
Ashmoria
05-10-2004, 19:47
The way I see it, dating is the same as prostitution. You take a girl out to eat, the movies, or dancing. You pay for her time with you and she sleeps with you. Pretty much prostitution to me!!!!!

uh cowboy when you DATE you may pay for the meal, the movie or some drinks but if you are then "paying her for her time with you" so that she has sex with you, you are dating whores

when you DATE, sex is not a foregone conclusion. if the girl is interested it may be that she will sleep with you, but she is free to go home at any time and not reimburse you for your expenses.

a prostitute has sex with you but she may not even LIKE you. she is a professional and she is paid more than the price of dinner.
Legless Pirates
05-10-2004, 19:53
you need to solicit a better class of girl. if you stay away from the crack whores there are some very attractive prostitutes out there.
at least in nevada....
which part of MOST did you misunderstand?
Tellacar
05-10-2004, 19:57
Most pornstars are ugly and most whores are very ugly. That's the difference.


I love you. Will you marry me? Wait... are you talking about the popular porn stars as well as the medicore looking ones?
Legless Pirates
05-10-2004, 19:58
I love you. Will you marry me? Wait... are you talking about the popular porn stars as well as the medicore looking ones?
All the pornstars and all the whores
Tellacar
05-10-2004, 20:02
Okay, the wedding's on! :D

But really, I don't get the whole idea of these chicks being 'sexy'. They're sterched out, they look like plastic faced Barbies with narrowed noses that kinda gives them a ratty quality.

As for the question posed in general... there's no difference. People are being paid to have sex no matter what. That's the bottom line. Legalize both.
Biff Pileon
05-10-2004, 21:05
Most pornstars are ugly and most whores are very ugly. That's the difference.

Then there is always Jenna Jameson....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6183228/
BastardSword
05-10-2004, 21:48
The way I see it, dating is the same as prostitution. You take a girl out to eat, the movies, or dancing. You pay for her time with you and she sleeps with you. Pretty much prostitution to me!!!!!
I hope you tell the girl that dinner means sex. Bewcause otherwise she will be in a huge surprise :P
Legless Pirates
05-10-2004, 21:48
Then there is always Jenna Jameson....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6183228/
MOST goddammit!
Insane Psychos
05-10-2004, 21:54
As George Carlin said, "Why is it illegal to pay for something that you can give away? Sex is legal, selling is legal, why isn't selling sex legal?"
Martian Free Colonies
05-10-2004, 21:56
I hope you tell the girl that dinner means sex. Bewcause otherwise she will be in a huge surprise :P

She ALWAYS sleeps with you? Man, you're going to have to give me some tips.

Seriously, people there's something of a misogynistic tone to this thread that gives a wishy-washy liberal New Man like me the creeps.
BastardSword
05-10-2004, 22:00
As George Carlin said, "Why is it illegal to pay for something that you can give away? Sex is legal, selling is legal, why isn't selling sex legal?"
Sex isn't legal unless its with consenting adults and more regulations.
Sex outside marriage also isn't legal, but many married men have Prostitutes.

"Why is it illegal to pay for something that you can give away? "
I can give someone a murder but to pay me for murdering someone is illegal.

I can go on. Nice quote by George but its error filled.
TheMidlands
05-10-2004, 23:04
In Britain paying someone to have sex isn't illegal its just brothels & solicting that are so STARRING in porn movies is completly legal.
Demented Hamsters
06-10-2004, 01:19
I disagree. I, and leading psychologists, think that rape is a crime where the motive is power, not sex.
I didn't realise that you were a leading pyschologist.
Or perhaps you were alluding to the fact that leading psychologists ask for your advice first before making any conclusions/decisions?
;)
Terminalia
06-10-2004, 01:24
=Camewot Why is there to much of it? Theres nothing wrong with it, if people wanna watch it? Fine! If people get scammed over it through payment those websites need to be cracked down on.

Thats your opinion and your entittled to it, but I think society has an

unhealthy obbsession with pornography, the internet itself is probably half

porn.

What really annoys me is newsagents displaying the stuff where kids can

walk in and see it, it should be in a room up the back that doesnt allow kids

in, or at least above their eye level.


But then again, I have read that if you watch porn before you make love it has a positive effect.

For the people who need it I guess.
LordaeronII
06-10-2004, 01:54
for those involved in it:

Ethically? The same, you're still having sex/performing sexual acts for money.
Physically? Yup, having sex/performing sexual acts for money.

For the "customers":

Ethically? Not quite the same, you're not actually in it yourself. Still wrong IMO, but less so.
Physically? Not at all, you're not really doing anything physically.
Connington
06-10-2004, 02:53
The US model penal code defines prostitution thus: (which is the basis of many states laws)

"A person is guilty of prostitution when such person engages or agrees or offers to engage in sexual conduct for return for a fee."

No question then, hard core porn actors are prostitutes. And just 'cos its in a movie doesn't give it protection under freedom of expression. You couldn't rob someone and later claim that because it was filmed for a movie it was protected expression.

Probably, no one can be bothered to track down and prosecute the actors for petty crimes though, and that's why they don't get charged.

so if you say to your gf/b/f/wife/husband whatever have sex with me and ill give you some chips...thats prostitution...?
HadesRulesMuch
06-10-2004, 02:56
Prostitutes are cheaper.