NationStates Jolt Archive

Here is a newsrelease from the aclu (sure, I get their stuff!), dated today:

"We won a landmark victory today in our challenge to the National
Security
Letter provision of the USA PATRIOT Act. This is the lawsuit the NYCLU
and ACLU
filed under seal earlier this year.

Noting that "democracy abhors secrecy," Judge Marrero ruled that the
requirement that individuals turn over sensitive information upon
demand by the FBI
without any judicial oversight and the gag order preventing a recipient
of a
National Security Letter from discussing the matter with anyone under
any
circumstances violated the First and Fourth Amendments to the
constitution.

This is the first decision to address surveillance powers of the
Patriot Act.
though limited to the provisions regarding "electronic information",
the
court's rationale wouild be applicable to several other surveillance
provision of
the Patriot Act, including Section 215, which provides for access to
library
and other records.

A fuller release and link to the decision will we up on the website,
www.nyclu.org later today."

Thank God somebody is protecting our Constitutional rights.

I hate civil liberties.

Off to jail you go Suss! :D

Give me a ruthless dictatorship anyday, I'm going to hop on a raft and float to Cuba.

I hate civil liberties.

Wow..Me too. Didn't think anyone would post something like that.

I hate civil liberties.
I would love to work for the ACLU one day.... Civil liberaties are absolutely vital to a functioning society. Dictatorships don't function very well. (Although, I would certainly be the first to advocate getting rid of civil liberaties if I were the dictator. :p)

Speaking of which, I think I'll go through Sussudio's post history and delete all his posts, maybe edit them to say things he didn't mean, lock all the threads he participated in... who needs liberties on a forum?

;)

Speaking of which, I think I'll go through Sussudio's post history and delete all his posts, maybe edit them to say things he didn't mean, lock all the threads he participated in... who needs liberties on a forum?
;)


Oh snap! :p

Sarcasm doesn't go well in these forums, even the one about floating to Cuba must have been taken seriously.

Truthfully I am a card carrying member of the ACLU and proud of it. Without Civil Liberties we have nothing.

Speaking of....

any other members of the ACLU in here?

Speaking of the ACLU, I have to grumble about them first, I have a few bones to pick with them as they are sometimes so interested in protecting certain people's so-called rights that they ignore the actual rights of others and end up doing more harm then good. So just for effect I gotta bust they're collective nutz and call'em some tree sucking, vegan sissies. But now onto the point the ACLU vs. the Patriot act, way to go you sissies! Man I loathe the patriot act and the idiot senators and representatives that voted for it. Which reminds me to go write another nasty letter to my senators.

Speaking of....

any other members of the ACLU in here?

Board member, New York capitol district.

Sarcasm doesn't go well in these forums, even the one about floating to Cuba must have been taken seriously.Come on, sarcasm for sarcasm, dude. You don't really think I was serious either?

I'm not a member of the ACLU, no. But I would love to work for them some day. I want to get a law degree, in what I'm not sure exactly. But civil or international law would be great.

Speaking of....

any other members of the ACLU in here?
I am.

Come on, sarcasm for sarcasm, dude. You don't really think I was serious either?

I'm not a member of the ACLU, no. But I would love to work for them some day. I want to get a law degree, in what I'm not sure exactly. But civil or international law would be great.

Here's a good online Civil Rights class:
http://www.law.columbia.edu/faculty/faculty_pages/FrankeCourses/Civil_Rights?#rtregion:main
This is from Jurist, which has good online selections for other Constitutional issues, immigration, environment etc. as well as international/comparative law civil procedure, torts , domestic law and contracts.
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/cour_pgs.htm