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Well, what do you think?
World Rally Championship or Formula 1?
Petter Solberg or Michael Schumacher?
Citroen or Ferrari?
Post which one you prefer and why.

Schumacher should die in a crash so F1 gets interesting again

Schumacher should die in a crash so F1 gets interesting again
Agreed, my vote goes to Rally because Schumacher sucked all the fun out of F1. Jensen Button does look like he's doing well this year though. Who knows, maybe Schumacher will get knocked off the top next year.

F1 and i agree about Schumacher, i just ignore him now

NASCAR!!! w00t!

Actually I'm not much of a racing fan. I'm more of a crashing fan!
BURN BABY!!! BURN!!!!

F1 and i agree about Schumacher, i just ignore him now
So why do you prefer F1?
Who's your favourite driver/team?

So why do you prefer F1?
Who's your favourite driver/team?
I dunno, I've just always been brought up with F1

Jenson Button, although there'll always be a place in my heart for Coulthard cause when i was little me, my brother and my sister used to have our own mini F1 races on our hands and knees up and down the stairs, my brother was Schumacher, my sister was Damon Hill and i was Nigel Mansell until he retired then i became David Coulthard (my dad made sure I was a British driver because I always won), but I think Coulthard reaching the end of his F1 career, he just hasn't got what it takes to win anymore

NASCAR-Cars going 200 mph, 2 inches apart, plus passing. Plus a great way to drink, and see topless women in the infield.

F1 is just follow the leader, yeah you can pass, but really only in a couple of places around the track. Plus with the new rules coming, the F1 of old will be gone forever.

NASCAR-Cars going 200 mph, 2 inches apart, plus passing. Plus a great way to drink, and see topless women in the infield.

F1 is just follow the leader, yeah you can pass, but really only in a couple of places around the track. Plus with the new rules coming, the F1 of old will be gone forever.
You forgot the fact that NASCAR go around the same oval like 100 times. At least in F1 you get a proper course. I'm yet to be convinced that the NASCAR cars can actually turn more than 2 degrees at a time.

Anyway, this argument isn't about NASCAR, it's about Rally and F1.

F1. Fave team I don't know TBH.

F1. Fave team I don't know TBH.
You know you can vote on the poll?
And you live in Peterborough? I used to live in Leicester.

I prefer WRC. But see both as the veritable pinnacle of the art of racing. F1, is at higher speed with harder to control vehicles, but the tracks are easier. WRC is at lower speed with relatively stock vehicles, but the tracks/conditions (and crazy fans) increase the difficulty.

Certainly much more challenging and entertaining than the, go fast, slow down, turn left, ad nauseum that is Nascar.

F1. Go Villeneuve!! :D

You forgot the fact that NASCAR go around the same oval like 100 times. At least in F1 you get a proper course. I'm yet to be convinced that the NASCAR cars can actually turn more than 2 degrees at a time.

Anyway, this argument isn't about NASCAR, it's about Rally and F1.
They race at Watkins Glen and Sears Point (I'm not calling it Infenion Raceway)(they did add a pussout shoot to avoid the hardest two turns, but still-Sears Point is a drivers track, very difficult)

There is a great deal of racing that happens, even in the oval. I'm not the biggest fan of NASCAR, but I hate when people aren't fair to it. Some of the best finishes and racing I've seen has been in stock cars. I wish some other forms of racing would take some cues (not the ovals, I'm still not a fan of the ovals....) Trans Am racing has a bit of that element to it, close racing but done on road tracks. Too bad it doesn't get any coverage.

My favorite is WRC, or rally racing in general, but it's not such a spectator thing. It takes all week and it's timed. I like watching the cars run, and it is the best test of man and machine hands down, but I'm never on my feet watching the highlights of WRC.

You'd have to take out both Schuie and Andrian Newey to make F1 interesting, and maybe Eclestone. The rules changes have not added to the racing in years, making it not worth getting up that early in the morning for me to watch it in the states. It's too bad, it used to be the pinicale, to quote from the movie Grand Prix, "There are only 17 drivers in the world good enough to be here." Ah...what was.

My hiarchy would have to go:
1.WRC
2.Endurance Sportscar/Sportscar in general
3.F1
4.Trans Am/Whatever the Champion sports challenge thingy is called now.
5.Touring cars.
6.CART/CHAMP cars, are whatever they're calling it now.
7.NASCAR
8. Anything else thats not drag racing (which I'm not fair to)

Viewing wise, its the same except that WRC slips down a few, maybe to 6.

Both! It didn't know which I was going to pick until I saw that both was an option. I would say that F1 and WRC are both at the top of racing. Both require incredible skill. I would imagine that F1 is "harder", since the speed is so incredible. Normal people can't react that fast. Finess and luck are more important in rally. I don't really have a favorite team, though. I don't get around to watching F1 or WRC that much. Seems like everytime I turn on the Speed Channel, I see 4 rednecks talking about restrictor plates.

it's all about nascar
i just wish they would fix th damn points system

Formula 1. Wooo. Go McLaren!!!! :D

For me F1 isn't as interesting because:
1)the crashes are SOOOO much better in rallying. Just this year Ford's Markko Martin crashed at 100 MPH and flipped his car about three times before landing.
2) The course is always the same and it repeats itself 70 times.
3) Too many safety features in F1 make it more boring. In rally if you slide just a little wide you fall off a hillside or into a field. In F1 you hit a gravel pit, go onto the grass and if it that doesn't stop you then a tyre wall does.
4) In rally you need to be an all-round driver, gravel, snow and tarmac whereas in F1 it's just tarmac.
5) In the WRC every year there are 4 teams pushing for the constructors championship whereas in F1 there's... 1. Same for drivers.

Bump!!!

Formula 1. Wooo. Go McLaren!!!! :D
Yeah. I wish. They seldomly do nowadays though. :D

F1 by a mile, WRC second, anything else with an engine after that. in F1 i support SuperKimi (hes gonna kick ass in Suzuka), and Mclaren. MS pisses me off. severely. and F1 has plenty of overtaking and action, you just have to ignore schumacher which the TV directors are doing more and more these days (although it was hugely entertaining to watch him make a fool of himself in Shanghai :D). Button isnt as good as hes made out to be btw

F1 by a mile, WRC second, anything else with an engine after that. in F1 i support SuperKimi (hes gonna kick ass in Suzuka), and Mclaren. MS pisses me off. severely. and F1 has plenty of overtaking and action, you just have to ignore schumacher which the TV directors are doing more and more these days (although it was hugely entertaining to watch him make a fool of himself in Shanghai :D). Button isnt as good as hes made out to be btw
No he's not!!!
He's crap, I support Jensen Button. He's the only guy who managed to come within a mile of Schumacher in the last year. WRC is better for the reasons I stated above, anyone want to argue that???

No he's not!!!
He's crap, I support Jensen Button. He's the only guy who managed to come within a mile of Schumacher in the last year. WRC is better for the reasons I stated above, anyone want to argue that???
the only reason hes anywhere near MS is because of the car, if Raikkonen had been in it he would have done a hell of a lot more than Button has. remember the Mclaren isnt as good as the BAR...and look whos got the win

the only reason hes anywhere near MS is because of the car, if Raikkonen had been in it he would have done a hell of a lot more than Button has. remember the Mclaren isnt as good as the BAR...and look whos got the win
The greatest test of a drivers skill is putting him in a weaker car.
Anyone heard of Valentino Rossi??? He did to superbikes what Schumacher did to F1. But when he won 3 titles, he moved to Yamaha who were thought to have no chance at all. He is still winning races. That is a good driver. A weaker car is no excuse for a good driver.

The greatest test of a drivers skill is putting him in a weaker car.
Anyone heard of Valentino Rossi??? He did to superbikes what Schumacher did to F1. But when he won 3 titles, he moved to Yamaha who were thought to have no chance at all. He is still winning races. That is a good driver. A weaker car is no excuse for a good driver.

A weaker car is an excuse for a good driver, it just isn't a very good one!
Anyhew, the car (sadly) does make a bigger effect on the race. Put Bruni in a Ferrari and he'd probably get a podium (if he didn't throw the car off the track first!)
For a good race (and there is still good racing in F1) just look behind the Red Baron, lots of overtaking and, occasionally, a good crash. Trulli, Silverstone anyone?

A weaker car is an excuse for a good driver, it just isn't a very good one!
Anyhew, the car (sadly) does make a bigger effect on the race. Put Bruni in a Ferrari and he'd probably get a podium (if he didn't throw the car off the track first!)
For a good race (and there is still good racing in F1) just look behind the Red Baron, lots of overtaking and, occasionally, a good crash. Trulli, Silverstone anyone?
I don't think that that is fair to Schuie, even if I don't like him. He did switch teams after winning a championship to prove that he was a better driver. Ferrari couldn't buy a win for a while as every followed Adrian Newey's cars around the track. I think that he has brought that team up to where it is is a testiment to his driving. He really is one of the greatest drivers. And I don't like him. Jaques, and I have a soft spot for David Coulthard.

Well, what do you think?
World Rally Championship or Formula 1?
Petter Solberg or Michael Schumacher?
Citroen or Ferrari?
Post which one you prefer and why.
F1. Schumacher. Ferrari.
Why?
Because I've never heard of WRC and Solberg.
Maybe F1 will get interesting again when other people learn how to (bleep)ing drive!

I don't think that that is fair to Schuie, even if I don't like him. He did switch teams after winning a championship to prove that he was a better driver. Ferrari couldn't buy a win for a while as every followed Adrian Newey's cars around the track. I think that he has brought that team up to where it is is a testiment to his driving. He really is one of the greatest drivers. And I don't like him. Jaques, and I have a soft spot for David Coulthard.

Ok, maybe it was a bit harsh on MS, but he's thick skinned about it really :)
Seriously though, I don't doubt he's a great driver, nor do I doubt that the Ferrari is the best car. The point that was supposed to be made was that you could put any of the drivers in the Ferrari and they would finish well, they're just that far ahead. The other teams are extremely competitive between themselves, but leagues behind the red cars. Also, I called Schumi the Red Baron because, like the first world war ace, he is good at what he does and is feared by the opposition.
I am with you though, DC's a nice chap and I wish him well (followed his career for years!)

Dude, It is ALL about Le Mans, then WRC, then F1, then NASCAR

Both.

I think rally is a little over f1 mainly because of the difficulty...

going 150 or 180 km/h on a road that is barely wide enough for the car to fit in it... and with human traffic cones on the side...

with someone shouting directios to you...

and still survivng the weekend...

has to be the hardest thing you can do in a car...

Ok, maybe it was a bit harsh on MS, but he's thick skinned about it really :)
Seriously though, I don't doubt he's a great driver, nor do I doubt that the Ferrari is the best car. The point that was supposed to be made was that you could put any of the drivers in the Ferrari and they would finish well, they're just that far ahead. The other teams are extremely competitive between themselves, but leagues behind the red cars. Also, I called Schumi the Red Baron because, like the first world war ace, he is good at what he does and is feared by the opposition.
I am with you though, DC's a nice chap and I wish him well (followed his career for years!)
I can only claim to be a fan of Coulthard since he was #2 to Damon Hill.

I think part of what makes the Ferraris so good is the development Schuie did with the team and that if it where an engineers race it would go to Newey's cars, but that could go back and forth, really. Schuie would have to win in an Arrows car to really settle it, and that's not going to happen.

I wish I could speak more to the recent seasons, but I don't have Speed Channel anymore, and since they got bought by FOX all it every is is the NASCAR channel-like that was hard to get access to in the US.....bastards.

I kinda wish I had Outdoor Life, I could watch World of Outlaws. If you're going to go in circles, do it on dirt in open wheel cars pushing 800 hp with acceleration only rivaled by dragsters. Thats balls. Either that, or I wish that WRC was more spectator friendly (even though that would go against the essence of WRC....)

Dude, It is ALL about Le Mans, then WRC, then F1, then NASCAR
I'll second that-the only race I won't miss no matter what, even if I have to listen to it on internet radio. The best race in the world. (It'd be even better if Porsche would stop dicking around with SUVs and go back to La Sarthe....)

Remember when more than one team with a good car would show up in the prototypes? Ah, those where the days....

bump!!!