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Evidently, John Kerry doesn't believe in binding agreements and will truely say and do anything to win this election. I hope those that vote for this lying creep will feel good about themselves the next morning.
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001054.php
http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/10/winners-never-cheat.html
http://www.zombietime.com/kerry_at_first_debate/

Oh, give me a break. These are the stupidest, most unsubstantiated accusations ever. I hope those who vote Bush feel good about voting in someone who has no idea what he's talking about, only that he had to make "hard choices"... and that "there's nothing wrong with policy changes" except when you're opponent's doing it, not you.

LOL

Least convincing evidence ever.

Good try, chuckles.

I hope those that vote for this lying creep will feel good about themselves the next morning.
Cause Bush is so much better and never lied about his war and stuff.

No matter who wins, I'll probably feel horrible. If Kerry wins, I'll be hungover from all the celebrating. If Bush wins, I'll be hungover from all the mourning. Either way, I'll be hungover. It just won't hurt so bad if Kerry wins.

what asinine whining

what about bush repeating the same thing over and over, thats a logical fallacy, that MUST be against debate rules

Wow, those are some pretty convincing blurry images of a completely unidentifiable object.

Uh, it looks very indistinct. It might be a pen, but I'd hardly say there was enough there for a 3X5" card. It might also be his hand. . .I couldn't really tell.

As such, you're saying that the fact that 1) Bush was completely outclassed by Kerry substantively, and 2) Kerry was not a petulant ass should be completely thrown out because he might have pulled a pen out. You know, that just might be the most ridamndiculous thing I've ever heard. . .and in the interest of clarity, yes, I've said that before often. The problem is that you bloggers keep topping yourselves, not any flip-flopping on my part.:-p

So, Kerry brought out paper with him? Yes, yes, like Kerry decided it would be brilliant to write all over his prepared notes as Bush spoke.

Of course not, Kerry brought paper to keep notes as Bush spoke, so he could procede to totally pwn the man, as evidenced more than once throughout the debate.

No matter who you vote for, the government wins. Still, Kerry is probably a slightly lesser evil compared to Bush since Bush is a Christian fundamentalist and tried to make gay marriage illegal through a constitutional amendment.

Is it just me, or in the second link, if you watch the video, does Bush not do the exact same thing?

By the way, there is a Bush version of this story. NYC Indymedia had a story up along with an mp3 of Bush's "let me finish" moment that argued Bush was using an earpiece to get answers from Karl Rove.

Is it just me, or in the second link, if you watch the video, does Bush not do the exact same thing?

You know, he just might.

Wow, those are some pretty convincing blurry images of a completely unidentifiable object.
Shhhhhh!!!! They were minatures Bush ka bob nukes. Didn't you see the smoke pouring out of Bush's ears?

You know, he just might.
Actually, it looked like there was a whole slew of papers on Bush's podium before he got there?

Wow Bush went to war for a WMD's that didn't exsist. He tried to distract us from WMD's with Mars, Moon, and the Gay amandement. And yet, the best we can do on Kerry is a PEN!!!! AHHHHHH NOT A PEN! Anything but a pen! Jeez come up with better excuse to hate Kerry than a PEN!

By the way, there is a Bush version of this story. NYC Indymedia had a story up along with an mp3 of Bush's "let me finish" moment that argued Bush was using an earpiece to get answers from Karl Rove.
Well then, if we make unsubstantiated arguments against both sides they must be correct...

By the way, there is a Bush version of this story. NYC Indymedia had a story up along with an mp3 of Bush's "let me finish" moment that argued Bush was using an earpiece to get answers from Karl Rove.

Nah if Bush had a way to get answear he would've done better than repeat himself like a wind up toy.

Nah if Bush had a way to get answear he would've done better than repeat himself like a wind up toy.That's what I think, too.

If Kerry "cheated" and "violated" the rules, then, as per the rules, the debate would've stopped and been forfeited immediately; looks like your allegations don't hold up.

This belongs up with that "Pentagon conspiracy" flash.

If Kerry "cheated" and "violated" the rules, then, as per the rules, the debate would've stopped and been forfeited immediately; looks like your allegations don't hold up.
would it have been stopped? is that in the agreement? this wasn't a highschool debating society event, i doubt very much they would have stopped it and since their is no official winner or loser i don't see how the could have possibly forfeited it to one side or the other.

Jeez next thing you know they'll say Kerry is cheating by using Botox injection.

would it have been stopped? is that in the agreement? this wasn't a highschool debating society event, i doubt very much they would have stopped it and since their is no official winner or loser i don't see how the could have possibly forfeited it to one side or the other.
Well, it would have been stopped, and it would have been clearly obvious that Bush would have won in that event. Besides, if this had a grain of truth in it, the Bush campaign would be shouting this to high heaven...

Section 5, pages 4-5 of the binding "Memorandum of Understanding" that was negotiated and agreed upon by both political campaigns states:

"No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."

So what did Dem presidential contender John Kerry take out of his jacket as he approached the stage [with his back to the auditorium's audience]?

What did Kerry place on the podium?

Section 5, pages 4-5 of the binding "Memorandum of Understanding" that was negotiated and agreed upon by both political campaigns states:

"No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."

So what did Dem presidential contender John Kerry take out of his jacket as he approached the stage [with his back to the auditorium's audience]?

What did Kerry place on the podium?

A 'notepad' and a 'pen'.

Section 5, pages 4-5 of the binding "Memorandum of Understanding" that was negotiated and agreed upon by both political campaigns states:

"No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."

So what did Dem presidential contender John Kerry take out of his jacket as he approached the stage [with his back to the auditorium's audience]?

What did Kerry place on the podium?

Did it say anything about tissues paper? Maybe Kerry had tissues paper standing by? I know Bush could've used some by the end of that debate.

Section 5, pages 4-5 of the binding "Memorandum of Understanding" that was negotiated and agreed upon by both political campaigns states:

"No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."

So what did Dem presidential contender John Kerry take out of his jacket as he approached the stage [with his back to the auditorium's audience]?

What did Kerry place on the podium?
Probably the same pen and notepad that he had submitted to the Commission earlier in the evening.

"What?" indeed.

So you have no idea what this supposed "thing" is.
Care to explain your flamboyant accusations in the original post?

Some people.

What did Kerry place on the podium?
A recipe for Bush ka bob stew.

Well, it would have been stopped, and it would have been clearly obvious that Bush would have won in that event. Besides, if this had a grain of truth in it, the Bush campaign would be shouting this to high heaven...
i haven't found any evidence that the debate would be stopped if one side violated the memorandum of understanding. certainly one side could walk out if they felt the agreed upon rules were being flagrantly violated but i don't see anything giving the moderator the power to stop it in such a situation.

i haven't found any evidence that the debate would be stopped if one side violated the memorandum of understanding. certainly one side could walk out if they felt the agreed upon rules were being flagrantly violated but i don't see anything giving the moderator the power to stop it in such a situation.
By the same token, if either camp had seen anything untoward in the hands of the other candidate prior to the debate, they'd have made the accusations themselves, right afterwards and perhaps even during the debate. The fact that this is coming from conspiracy theorists instead of the campaigns ought to make anyone wary of believing it.

What did Kerry place on the podium?
It was probably a miniature neural disrupter set to the frequency of Bush's brain waves in order to stumble up what would have been a clear victory by Bush. Bush's vast knowledge of wordly affairs and and oratory eloquence would have made mincemeat of Kerry's poorly planned and ignorant arguments. Ha ha ha. Yeah, right.

It was probably a miniature neural disrupter set to the frequency of Bush's brain waves in order to stumble up what would have been a clear victory by Bush. Bush's vast knowledge of wordly affairs and and oratory eloquence would have made mincemeat of Kerry's poorly planned and ignorant arguments. Ha ha ha. Yeah, right.

LOL!

...and then all Democrats would have voted for Bush, right? Clearly this was a necessary step to save the entire country.

i haven't found any evidence that the debate would be stopped if one side violated the memorandum of understanding. certainly one side could walk out if they felt the agreed upon rules were being flagrantly violated but i don't see anything giving the moderator the power to stop it in such a situation.
If you watched the debate on C-SPAN you would have seen Lehrer say that if the rules where not followed he would stop the debate. At one point he even made the wives 'hall moniters' to make sure the audience followed the rules. It was part of his little preamble before the broadcast feed for the networks started.

Not to give this little grasp at straws any creedance.

By the same token, if either camp had seen anything untoward in the hands of the other candidate prior to the debate, they'd have made the accusations themselves, right afterwards and perhaps even during the debate. The fact that this is coming from conspiracy theorists instead of the campaigns ought to make anyone wary of believing it.

well its all idiotic each side was allowed to take notes, so unless there are pictures that show papers with actual text on them in the candidates possession before the debate started none of it means anything.

also since the questions weren't revealed to the candidates in advance they would either have needed volumes of data, or the information on any notes would have had to have been so general either candidate should have already known it.

well its all idiotic each side was allowed to take notes, so unless there are pictures that show papers with actual text on them in the candidates possession before the debate started none of it means anything.

also since the questions weren't revealed to the candidates in advance they would either have needed volumes of data, or the information on any notes would have had to have been so general either candidate should have already known it.Which makes Kerry's answers to the questions all the more impressive and Bush's all the more, well, expected. It's funny, too, because this was supposed to be Bush's strong suit, and he was hopelessly off balance all night. He's going into dangerous waters in the next two debates--better study up Georgie.

If you watched the debate on C-SPAN you would have seen Lehrer say that if the rules where not followed he would stop the debate. At one point he even made the wives 'hall moniters' to make sure the audience followed the rules. It was part of his little preamble before the broadcast feed for the networks started.

Not to give this little grasp at straws any creedance.okay i'll take your word on it, i actually was listening to it in the car radio and may have missed the introduction, or it wasn't interesting enough to make the transtion into long term memory.

Which makes Kerry's answers to the questions all the more impressive and Bush's all the more, well, expected. It's funny, too, because this was supposed to be Bush's strong suit, and he was hopelessly off balance all night. He's going into dangerous waters in the next two debates--better study up Georgie.

But he can't study up now! The Fall Sweeps are around the corner! Plus hes almost done with Doom 3!

yuhjg

okay i'll take your word on it, i actually was listening to it in the car radio and may have missed the introduction, or it wasn't interesting enough to make the transtion into long term memory.
It wasn't the 'broadcast' introduction, it was the introduction instructions before the broadcast introduction.

Not that this is really all that important. It doesn't even speak to the ridiculous ass accusation of the thread. I just don't have anything else to add but didn't want to be left out for some stupid reason....

So, let me understand how this works now; this latest "Bush Deflection:"

1. <Pre-War > Saddam Hussein has WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
<Post-War> Saddam Hussein was working towards WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION-RELATED PROGRAMS.

2. I served in the military (National Guard.) I am the war president.
<Upon comparing such service with that of an actual war hero> John Kerry is not a real war hero because he was never fired upon and never earned the medals his superiors recommended him for. <Ignore irony that Kerry was undeniably "in country" while Bush was "incognito.">

3. Bush won the debate because.....Kerry cheated, and therefore had an unfair advantage which translated into his outclassing a clearly unprepared opponent?

Can't you neo-cons simply, FOR ONCE, acknowledge that Bush did SOMETHING wrong?

Can it not simply be the case that John Kerry is a better debater and simply more qualified to speak on the issues he has dealt with for more than 20 years <i.e., foreign policy and domestic economic issues?)

Jeezus.

Maybe what he pulled out of his pocket was some nuclear fuel that he wants to give to Iran. Or just perhaps it was the teachers' copy of that "global test" he was talking about.

Maybe what he pulled out of his pocket was some nuclear fuel that he wants to give to Iran. Or just perhaps it was the teachers' copy of that "global test" he was talking about.
Maybe it was that joke you were looking for--you know, the funny one?

Global Test? (http://www.coxandforkum.com/)

HaHa!! (http://www.washingtondispatch.com/page2/archives/GlobalTest-X.gif)

Maybe it was that joke you were looking for--you know, the funny one?

Maybe it was that diet pill you were looking for--you know, the one that works?

Maybe it was that sense of humor you were looking for--you know, the one you never had?

Maybe it was that diet pill you were looking for--you know, the one that works?
Ok, this is getting away from the issue at hand, and I can see where it's heading down the flame trail. Please refrain from personal attacks.

Ok, this is getting away from the issue at hand, and I can see where it's heading down the flame trail. Please refrain from personal attacks.

Lighten up or your head will pop. It's called humor. Always with humor.

BTW My attacks are so horrible! :(

Lighten up or your head will pop. It's called humor. Always with humor.

BTW My attacks are so horrible! :(
It's not the nature of your attacks, it's the fact that you're attacking in the first place. There is no need for it, and if we can keep discussions from getting personal, then we can actually have discussions.

It was probably a miniature neural disrupter set to the frequency of Bush's brain waves in order to stumble up what would have been a clear victory by Bush. Bush's vast knowledge of wordly affairs and and oratory eloquence would have made mincemeat of Kerry's poorly planned and ignorant arguments. Ha ha ha. Yeah, right.

I thought neural disrupters only work on targets with a functional nervous system.

I thought neural disrupters only work on targets with a functional nervous system.

In Bush's case, "neural disrupter," just means jingling a set of car keys somewhere in his vicinity.

I especially like the one from that highly vaulted news-source, zombietime.com. I get all my news from them.

This is stupid, sorry.

No matter who wins, I'll probably feel horrible. If Kerry wins, I'll be hungover from all the celebrating. If Bush wins, I'll be hungover from all the mourning. Either way, I'll be hungover. It just won't hurt so bad if Kerry wins.
not that im trying to make you feel bad or anything but

when im celebrating
or mourning
ill be doing it IN ARUBA!!

ill vote early and be lying on the beach drinking silly drinks with pink umbrellas and overtipping the cabana boys while smiling or weeping

there is no bad news in aruba

not that im trying to make you feel bad or anything but

when im celebrating
or mourning
ill be doing it IN ARUBA!!

ill vote early and be lying on the beach drinking silly drinks with pink umbrellas and overtipping the cabana boys while smiling or weeping

there is no bad news in aruba
I like the way you think. I suppose I could go party with the gay boys in the Castro if I really want to take my mind off it.

Evidently, John Kerry doesn't believe in binding agreements and will truely say and do anything to win this election. I hope those that vote for this lying creep will feel good about themselves the next morning.
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001054.php
http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/10/winners-never-cheat.html
http://www.zombietime.com/kerry_at_first_debate/


1. Who uses the word "creep." Do you think god will smite you if you say a "naughty word."

2. Just because Bush is an asshole, doesn't mean you have to start making up lies.

This has to be the sorriest looking straw I've ever seen a person clutch at.
This is getting real desperate. I think the best thing you can do is go up to a Repub and give them a BIG hug and tell them 'I feel your pain'. It's obvious they need some reassurance and comfort during such a difficult time of their beloved President being wiped all over the floor in this debate.

In Bush's case, "neural disrupter," just means jingling a set of car keys somewhere in his vicinity.

Ahhhh. But wouldn't the proper frequency to distract Shrub be generated by the clinking of two or more beer bottles together?

LOL yeah Kerry cheats, like he would need to against "the Rainman" yeah uhhhh definately mixed messaged yeah mixed message uhhhh definately uhhhhh it's hard work yeah definately yeah uhhhhh hard work yeah

Bush lies to the entire world that Saddam Hussein was a threat to the US and ends up turning a country into a war zone with people dying everyday. Kerry brings a pen and some note cards to a debate. Yep, this IS a big deal. /sarcasm

Mystery solved

http://www.wasuvi.com/images/secretweapon.html