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Ask an anime fan!

Superpower07
03-10-2004, 19:09
I just thought I should get on the bandwagon
Crossman
03-10-2004, 19:11
W00t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Otakus Rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kryozerkia
03-10-2004, 19:11
Ever heard of Fushigi Yuugi, Ayashi no Ceres or anything else by Watase Yuu, and if so, what do YOU think of these anime and/or her work?

(I like these, so this is from one anime fan to another)
Master Kevin Wu
03-10-2004, 19:12
These "ask a" threads are getting really annoying and pointless.
Superpower07
03-10-2004, 19:12
Ever heard of Fushigi Yuugi, Ayashi no Ceres or anything else by Watase Yuu, and if so, what do YOU think of these anime and/or her work?

(I like these, so this is from one anime fan to another)
Heard of the 1st one, actually the title of the thread is a bit deceptive - should be renamed 'ask a gundam fan'
Kryozerkia
03-10-2004, 19:13
Heard of the 1st one, actually the title of the thread is a bit deceptive - should be renamed 'ask a gundam fan'
;) a lot of people haven't heard of it.

So, what do you think of Gundam Seed? I've watched a bit and didn't find it very interesting.
Superpower07
03-10-2004, 19:14
;) a lot of people haven't heard of it. The ones that have are the hardcore fans.
Ever see FLCL?
It friggin blew my mind

EDIT: I like SEED - I know sum parts were kinda stolen from other Gundam series, but it does so in a way that actually makes for a pretty original series.

One thing I don't like bout it tho is the CG animation
Crossman
03-10-2004, 19:14
These "ask a" threads are getting really annoying and pointless.

This is different, this is ANIME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Crossman
03-10-2004, 19:15
Ever see FLCL?
It friggin blew my mind

FLCL.....*shudders*
Letila
03-10-2004, 19:16
This is different, this is ANIME!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly.

Hey 07, how can I get enough money to pay for a decent amount of manga?
Crossman
03-10-2004, 19:17
Exactly.

Hey 07, how can I get enough money to pay for a decent amount of manga?

Sell your soul.
Kryozerkia
03-10-2004, 19:17
This is different, this is ANIME!!!!!!!!!!!!
w00t! Anime is the bane for my existance...that and computers.
Crossman
03-10-2004, 19:18
To the anime gods.
Superpower07
03-10-2004, 19:18
Exactly.

Hey 07, how can I get enough money to pay for a decent amount of manga?
Get a job (which I gotta do too) - I don't read manga or own any anime DVDs, however when I go off to college I might get some just for the heck of it.
Kryozerkia
03-10-2004, 19:19
Ever see FLCL?
It friggin blew my mind
I read some of the manga. It wasn't my cup of tea. ^_^

Now Fruits Basket is good... For gory, I ADORE Battle Royale.
Crossman
03-10-2004, 19:19
Get a job (which I gotta do too) - I don't read manga or own any anime DVDs, however when I go off to college I might get some just for the heck of it.

Oh yeah, I guess a job would cover it too... if you want to work...

Damn I need one...
Letila
03-10-2004, 19:23
I don't read manga or own any anime DVDs,

There's almost no anime on TV, so how do you see very much?
Qenta
03-10-2004, 19:24
Hellsing. Droool.

Kouta Hirano is my hero.
Crossman
03-10-2004, 19:28
There's almost no anime on TV, so how do you see very much?

Actually there is an Anime Channel now. Though its service is limited right now. But there are some who have it. I'm not one of them though... :headbang:
Nimzonia
03-10-2004, 19:32
I've only seen a few Anime... Akira, Ghost in the Shell, that sort of thing...

Have you seen Wings of Honneamise (aka Royal Space Force), perchance? I kinda like it, but nobody I talk to has ever heard of it. It makes me think of NS, because of the fictional world and countries...
Crossman
03-10-2004, 19:36
No never heard of it.
Superpower07
03-10-2004, 19:37
There's almost no anime on TV, so how do you see very much?
It's not so much as I watch now as I've seen over the years. Ever since I discovered Gundam (Gundam Wing, but now I like the original Gundam, 08th MS Team and SEED more) about 4 yrs ago I've slowly been watching more anime

I've also seen Kenshin (one of my faves), Inuyasha, .hack//:sign, FLCL, and some of Cowboy Bebop and Trigun
Crossman
03-10-2004, 19:39
It's not so much as I watch now as I've seen over the years. Ever since I discovered Gundam (Gundam Wing, but now I like the original Gundam, 08th MS Team and SEED more) about 4 yrs ago I've slowly been watching more anime

I've also seen Kenshin (one of my faves), Inuyasha, .hack//:sign, FLCL, and some of Cowboy Bebop and Trigun

w00t!
Cowboy Bebop, Trigun!!!!
Kenshin and Inuyasha good too!!!!

Who else loves Neon Genesis Evangelion? :D
Crossman
03-10-2004, 19:40
Najica Blitz Tactics is another really good one. Lots of fan service! ;)
Superpower07
03-10-2004, 19:47
Najica Blitz Tactics is another really good one. Lots of fan service! ;)
I'm not a big on the fanservice portion of anime

What I am big on is the philosophy found in animes like Gundam
Crossman
03-10-2004, 19:49
I'm not a big on the fanservice portion of anime

What I am big on is the philosophy found in animes like Gundam

Well yeah thats all and good too. But the fan service doesn't hurt in getting the philosophy across.
Kis4razu
03-10-2004, 19:50
i support this 'ask a' thread. Free the Forums!

ok... so...

i like anime sometimes (Ghost in the shell, akira, gundam wing, dbz, etc.) but i hate anime culture. the anime geeks piss the shit out of me, are you one of them?
Superpower07
03-10-2004, 19:51
i hate anime culture. the anime geeks piss the shit out of me
^*seconds Kis4azu* - our school actually has an anime club (thankfully I'm not part of it) it's so pathetic w/some students

anime is far from my most-watched genre of TV, actually - I watch some of the news, Food Network, Comedy Central (Jon Stewart rules), Letterman, etc.
Bodhis
03-10-2004, 19:58
Who else loves Neon Genesis Evangelion? :D

Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I saw the whole series and it was awesome! I also like Berserk! I can't wait to see Ghost in the Shell 2! Oh man, gotta love anime!
Letila
03-10-2004, 20:03
I'm not a big on the fanservice portion of anime

What I am big on is the philosophy found in animes like Gundam

Same here.

Who else loves Neon Genesis Evangelion?

I like it so far, but I don't have much money and have to save up a lot for the DVDs.
Nimzonia
03-10-2004, 20:05
No never heard of it.

Too bad. The art and especially world design is top class.
Superpower07
03-10-2004, 20:58
Bring
Up
My
Post!
The Northern Utopia
03-10-2004, 21:04
Why is it that every single government or organization in the world chooses whiny annoying 14 year olds to pilot their giant robot super weapons???
Crossman
03-10-2004, 21:08
Why is it that every single government or organization in the world chooses whiny annoying 14 year olds to pilot their giant robot super weapons???

It is truly an ongoing conundrum.
Letila
03-10-2004, 21:10
Why is it that every single government or organization in the world chooses whiny annoying 14 year olds to pilot their giant robot super weapons???

It's a sort of Jungian archetype or something. Think about it, it's the same basic storyline of a young boy turning out to be the only hope for saving the world and having some sort of special ability. You see it time and again in Star Wars, Eva, The Matrix, and the Gundam shows.

If there is a cool military craft, the whiny boy invariably gets it even though his background doesn't include anything about piloting such things. It's the same basic principle whether you're talking about an Eva, a mobile suit, or an X-wing.
Grebonia
03-10-2004, 21:43
Wings of Honneamise (aka Royal Space Force)

Saw it a LONG time ago....prolly 7 or 8 years ago. I remember the animation being decent but the story was slow. I don't remember much more than that. I haven't bought anime is years, but I was browsing Best Buy the other day and saw they had Megazone 23 1, 2, and 3....maybe I will have to invest. I really want to find Dangiao on DVD.
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
03-10-2004, 22:15
So, how many hentai titles do all you have?
Grebonia
04-10-2004, 00:55
Give me some titles and I'll tell you...never really paid attention to who made them....my library is:

Techi Muyo 1-8
Bubblegum Crisis 1-8
Genisis Survivor Giarth
GunBuster
Demon City Shinjoku (or however it is spelled...=))
Urotsukidoji 1-5
Macross Plus
Vampire Hunter D
Akira
Guyver (the orginal)
Iczer
Iczer 3
Hehe, I own some Robotech.....=\

Damn, well, I have alot more than that.....gotta go dig them out of the garage though, can't remember off the top of my head.
Lackadaisical Plebians
04-10-2004, 01:36
I like Love Hina.
Neo Kyushu
04-10-2004, 01:51
Who else loves Neon Genesis Evangelion? :D

Right here!
Neo Kyushu
04-10-2004, 01:52
I like Love Hina.

That's a good one too. Very funny.
Kham
04-10-2004, 01:58
Anime? More like, ANIGAY! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
Letila
04-10-2004, 02:18
Anime? More like, ANIGAY!

No way! You must not have seen any besides Pokémon and Yu-gi-oh.
Alansyists
04-10-2004, 02:20
Why are you guys such faggots? That jack-off over stupid little cartoon women?
Chess Squares
04-10-2004, 02:21
is this a stump the anime guy thread, cuz i will do it -_-
Arenestho
04-10-2004, 02:45
Heard of the 1st one, actually the title of the thread is a bit deceptive - should be renamed 'ask a gundam fan'
What do you think of Gundam SD Force :p
Otakopia
04-10-2004, 02:47
I like Anime! and instead of sitting here for the next half hour listing the animes ive seen i have a question!

Do you think spike is still alive? Explain your answer
Chess Squares
04-10-2004, 02:49
I like Anime! and instead of sitting here for the next half hour listing the animes ive seen i have a question!

Do you think spike is still alive? Explain your answer
spike is dead, the crazy native american spirit guy explained it in real folk blues part 2.
Dimiscant
04-10-2004, 02:54
Ok, anime fan, let me ask you this: Why do you like the garabge that is anime?
Chess Squares
04-10-2004, 03:01
Ok, anime fan, let me ask you this: Why do you like the garabge that is anime?
because your a troll and trolls are stupid, jk rowling said so
Otakopia
04-10-2004, 03:02
spike is dead, the crazy native american spirit guy explained it in real folk blues part 2.

aha! but then there are the crazy conspiracy theorists like me who think otherwise, The Native American guy explained that everyone has a star and it will fall when they die, my theory is that it wasnt spikes star and that it was vicious' star instead, and to back up my point, i dont think spike would have died from the wounds vicious gave him when he had taken a much worse beating from Pierre Lou Fe and recovered
Chess Squares
04-10-2004, 03:05
aha! but then there are the crazy conspiracy theorists like me who think otherwise, The Native American guy explained that everyone has a star and it will fall when they die, my theory is that it wasnt spikes star and that it was vicious' star instead, and to back up my point, i dont think spike would have died from the wounds vicious gave him when he had taken a much worse beating from Pierre Lou Fe and recovered
yoiu wernt listening, he also said spike and vicious are linked, one cant die without the other one dieing, thats why spike survived pierot le fou and vicious and spike survived the grenade spike set off in teh church on ballad of angels
Letila
04-10-2004, 03:27
Why are you guys such faggots? That jack-off over stupid little cartoon women?

This is why:
http://www.thai-toku-v3.us/torpong/seed/chara/lacus/lacus2.jpg
Otakopia
04-10-2004, 03:40
yoiu wernt listening, he also said spike and vicious are linked, one cant die without the other one dieing, thats why spike survived pierot le fou and vicious and spike survived the grenade spike set off in teh church on ballad of angels

He didnt say that, spike and vicious said that, im beggining to think this is just an interpretation type thing.....


I like Anime! and instead of sitting here for the next half hour listing the animes ive seen i have a question!

i geuss i lied ;)

Cowboy Bebop (and the movie)
Trigun
DB, DBZ and the beggining of GT (kinda too mainstream now for my tastes)
Big O
Yu Yu Hakusho
Misc Parts of Gundam Series
Evangelion (including End of Evangelion)
FLCL
Wolfs Rain (i missed the last two episodes though)
Outlaw Star
Inuyasha thru ep 100, anbd the first two movies (shallow but addictive)
Kenshin (including the Christian arc stuff not on TV, and the Samurai X movie, and the Samurai X OVAs)
Detective Conan (aka Case Closed)
Martian Succsesor Nadesico (sp?)
Akira
Comic Party (parts)
Initial D (parts
Hellsing
Love Hina (and LH again)
Excel Saga (through ep 12)
Tenchi Muyo, Universe, in Tokyo, and GXP
Princess Mononoke

im sure theres more that i cant remember at the moment...
Grebonia
04-10-2004, 03:48
Anybody ever see the WW2 remake anime with mech's that they brought in on trains and started up with vacuum tubes? I can't ever remember the name of that one.
New Fubaria
04-10-2004, 03:55
*erm, you know you weren't supposed to start any more of these, right*

...anyway...

Who would win a theortical battle between the crew from the Cowboy Beebop and the gals from Bubblegum Crisis? :p
Leninheim
04-10-2004, 03:56
Why does Anime suck so much?
New Fubaria
04-10-2004, 16:10
Why does Anime suck so much?One man's meat is another man's poison.
New Fubaria
04-10-2004, 16:17
Why are you guys such faggots? That jack-off over stupid little cartoon women?Surely, if they were "faggots" (as you so eloquently put it) they would be "jacking-off" over cartoon men*...











*note: this is not to imply that homosexual men jack-off over pictures of anything in particular, I'm poking fun at this genius above ;-)
Chess Squares
04-10-2004, 16:18
He didnt say that, spike and vicious said that, im beggining to think this is just an interpretation type thing.....



when did they say it then? vicious may have said it i forgot, but im pretty sure the weird indian guy did too
Superpower07
05-10-2004, 02:09
What do you think of Gundam SD Force :p
A blight upon Gundam!! And so is G Gundam!! Gundamn them both!
Ravea
05-10-2004, 02:20
Ghost in a Shell.

Hellsing.

Trigun.

Akira.

Need i say more?
Superpower07
05-10-2004, 02:24
Need i say more?
Are you a Gundam fan? I'd say more (but that's just me)
Nowhere Place
05-10-2004, 03:41
He didnt say that, spike and vicious said that, im beggining to think this is just an interpretation type thing.....



i geuss i lied ;)

Cowboy Bebop (and the movie)
Trigun
DB, DBZ and the beggining of GT (kinda too mainstream now for my tastes)
Big O
Yu Yu Hakusho
Misc Parts of Gundam Series
Evangelion (including End of Evangelion)
FLCL
Wolfs Rain (i missed the last two episodes though)
Outlaw Star
Inuyasha thru ep 100, anbd the first two movies (shallow but addictive)
Kenshin (including the Christian arc stuff not on TV, and the Samurai X movie, and the Samurai X OVAs)
Detective Conan (aka Case Closed)
Martian Succsesor Nadesico (sp?)
Akira
Comic Party (parts)
Initial D (parts
Hellsing
Love Hina (and LH again)
Excel Saga (through ep 12)
Tenchi Muyo, Universe, in Tokyo, and GXP
Princess Mononoke

im sure theres more that i cant remember at the moment...

Lol. You think that's a lot? If that's a lot of anime to have watched, then I have no life...


Why does Anime suck so much?
You're asking a thread full of anime fans why anime sucks. Wow. You definetly aren't the brightest crayon in the box. Why do people like Star Wars and Star Trek? Why do people like the internet? The answer: Because they do, and that's their decision, not yours.

Lot's of people like anime. In fact, anime has inspired some of our favorite movies, like The Matrix and Kill Bill. In fact, I bet you watched anime as a little kid and never knew it (Speed Racer, Robotech, Thundercats, etc... ring a bell, or were you too old when those came out?)

Oh, I get it! You were trying to be rhetorical and funny! For some reason, though, nobody seems to be laughing... (that is, until I post this. :rolleyes: )


Why are you guys such faggots? That jack-off over stupid little cartoon women?
I don't, but if you do, that's your business. This is comparative to those "Simpson's comic geek" type of guys, who try to look at porno of sci-fi show stars. I don't necessarily want to hear about it, whatever you might do. And certainly, if that's how you view all anime fans, then you must know some seriously messed up people. Maybe they're desperate, because they'd never get a real girl to talk to them if they tried...

And now, on to the not-so-hateful responses!


A blight upon Gundam!! And so is G Gundam!! Gundamn them both!
They're bad, but they don't touch G-Saviour. Horrible absolutely horrible. And to make matters worse, it's a live-action Gundam movie. *Shudder.*

On a brighter note, though, for you Gundam fans, Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam (the greatest Gundam series to ever be created) is coming out in the US. No, as of now, no channel will be airing it, but the DVDs are coming out, so for those who are interested (and have the money), buy it! Now!

Oh, and a sequel to Gundam SEED just began airing in Japan, entitled Gundam SEED: Destiny. I have not seen it, but hearing from those who have, it was pretty good. I'm not a huge fan of SEED, so I don't really care, but someone might.


Here's the extent of my own "otakuism" (I'm sure the insults will fly, but if you have nothing better to do than insult me, then I suggest you make some friends, and go through therapy so you can stop being such a bitter person):

UC Gundam-
Mobile Suit Gundam: Series
Mobile Suit Gundam: Compilation Movies
Mobile Suit Gundam: 08th MS Team (w/ Miller's Report compilation movie)
Mobile Suit Gundam 0080: A War in the Pocket
Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam (missing only 3 eps of this one)
Mobile Suit ZZ Gundam (at least the first 10 episodes)
Mobile Suit Gundam Char's Counterattack

AU Gundam-
Mobile Fighter G Gundam
New Mobile Report Gundam Wing (Which I hate, hate, hate!)
New Mobile Report Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz (Hate just as much!)
Gundam X (a few episodes)
Turn A Gundam (a bit)
Gundam SEED
Gundam SEED: Astray Promo Red
Gundam SEED: Astray Promo Blue

(And that was just Gundam...)

Evangelion-
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Neon Genesis Evangelion: Death and Rebirth
Neon Genesis Evangelion: The End of Evangelion

Macross-
SDF Macross
Macross Plus

Kenshin-
Rurouni Kenshin
Rurouni Kenshin: Movie
Rurouni Kenshin Prequel OVA: Trust and Betrayal
Rurouni Kenshin Sequel OVA: Reflection

Other series-
Cowboy Bebop
Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' on Heaven's Door
Inu Yasha
Kikaider (First season in entirety, a few eps of the second season)
Wolf's Rain
Detective Conan (quite a few eps)
Dragon Ball
Dragon Ball Z (I wish I'd never heard of it...)
Blue Gender
Full Metal Panic!
Berserk
Outlaw Star
Naruto (the first few eps)
Yu Yu Hakusho
Trigun
Jin-Roh
Princess Mononoke
Akira
Big O (Again, another I wish I'd missed)
Candidate for Goddess (a few eps)
Speed Racer (God, was I a little kid...)
Escaflowne: The Movie
FLCL
Zone of the Enders: Idolo (Wish I'd missed it)
Zone of the Enders: Dolores, i (Wished I'd missed even more)
Thundercats
Robotech (which was actually the combination of SDF Macross and two other unrelated shows into one, coherent, "multi-generation" series)
Metropolis
Nausicaa: The Valley of the Winds
Witch Hunter Robin
The Animatrix
.hack//sign
Lupin III
Reign

The simple reason I've been able to watch so much anime: I've grown up with it, and see no problem in continuing to watch it, especially seeing as how almost all of the series are butchered by censors for the North American audience, so you never actually get the real deal.
Arenestho
05-10-2004, 03:42
A blight upon Gundam!! And so is G Gundam!! Gundamn them both!
My opinion exactly, minus the lame pun.
Letila
05-10-2004, 22:27
The only real limit to my anime collection is my lack of money.

In fact, anime has inspired some of our favorite movies, like The Matrix and Kill Bill.

I know. The similarities between The Matrix and Ghost in the Shell are eery.
Bungeria
05-10-2004, 22:40
While I am happy that you haven't stuck to talking about DB, Gundam, Naruto and Pokemon, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Crest of the Stars, Peace Maker Kurogane, Stellvia of the Universe or Last Exile. Full Metal Panic, .hack//SIGN and DUSK, Trigun, Fruits Basket in all honour, Crest of the Stars is just in a league of its own.

And remember kids, never watch KGNE while you are depressed.
Crossman
06-10-2004, 00:01
Ok, anime fan, let me ask you this: Why do you like the garabge that is anime?

BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!
Crossman
06-10-2004, 00:06
I still place Neon Genesis Evangelion in my top favortites, but I must say this...

Shinji must die!!!!

:headbang: All that damn sissy screaming!!! I just want to beat his little head in and rip his eyes out.... calm Crossman, calm...
*rocks back and forth*
Happy thoughts, must think happy thoughts...
mmm...Misato :)
Sorakus
06-10-2004, 00:24
[dimiscant]ok, ill ask you a question why does anime suck so much[/QUOTE]

ill admit there are a few (hundred) shows that are meant solely for the purpose of a 22 minute commercial for toys and shiot, but anime like Akira, ghost in the shell, etc are well produced, well writen, hopefully well voice acted. with meaningful mesages
FMP
06-10-2004, 00:30
FLCL.....*shudders*

why so scared theres nothing wrong with FLCL in fact i watched the whole thing six (6) times in a row and im am just fine.....just fime.....jusasdfghjk
[system overlode!! system overlode!!.....rebooting.....] uaa what happend????

so eney way to the guy/gal/THING that keeps dising anime/manga, just for your information, your making your self look like a compleat and totaly ignorant fool
Arenestho
06-10-2004, 00:32
I still place Neon Genesis Evangelion in my top favortites, but I must say this...

Shinji must die!!!!

:headbang: All that damn sissy screaming!!! I just want to beat his little head in and rip his eyes out.... calm Crossman, calm...
*rocks back and forth*
Happy thoughts, must think happy thoughts...
mmm...Misato :)
He also gets to be surrounded by the two most well-endowed 14 year olds ever :p
Sorakus
06-10-2004, 00:46
living where i live i have better chances of finding manga rather than anime.
current book list:
Gundam wing: battlefield of pacifists
A.I love you 1,2
Love Hina 1-8
psychic academy 1-4
chobits 1-7
Kindaichi case files 1-4
Cowboy Bebop 1
Flame of Recca 1
Inuyasha 1
Ranma 1/2 1-9
Naruto 1
Bleach 1,2
One Peice 1
Shaman King 1
Yuyu Hakusho 1
Gundam Wing: Ground Zero
Gundam Wing: Episode Zero
Neon Genesis Evangelion 1-5

though i have managed to find a few anime:
Ghost in the Shell
Ghost in the shell: Stand alone complex 1
Princess Mononoke
Gungrave 1
Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz
Love Hina 1
Neon Genesis Evangelion 1-8
Inuyasha: Affections Reaching Across Time
Noir 1-5
Osamu Tezuka's Metropolis
The Animatrix
Akira
Sorakus
06-10-2004, 00:48
FLCL? haven't heard of it, what it about
Crossman
06-10-2004, 00:54
He also gets to be surrounded by the two most well-endowed 14 year olds ever :p

Like I said, he must die!!!
Walnut Destructo
06-10-2004, 00:54
Ok, smart guy. I didnt exactly read the entire post but I got a question....

Can you explain the ending to Evangelion?
Sorakus
06-10-2004, 00:54
Sorry for multiple posts all at 1nce but query: this may sound totaly retarded to those who know the series well, (and to those may i say "stick a carrot in ur arse and shut tha hell up!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :rolleyes: ) what is the connection between rorouni kenshin and samurai x
Avadria
06-10-2004, 00:55
What do think about the Zeon. In my opinion they have a more just cause than the Federation... although their means of going about it aren't exactly the greatest... I still think they personally are better. I mean how can you beat Opertaion British?
Crossman
06-10-2004, 00:57
FLCL? haven't heard of it, what it about

Run!! Run now before its too late!!!
Crossman
06-10-2004, 00:58
Ok, smart guy. I didnt exactly read the entire post but I got a question....

Can you explain the ending to Evangelion?

Um... they like, you know. End of the world, um, new creation. You know, that sort of thing. Basically, well in the movie at least, the world ends. However Shinji and Asuka are supposed to be a sort of new Adam and Eve.
Crossman
06-10-2004, 00:59
If I try going any further my mind will explode.
Walnut Destructo
06-10-2004, 01:01
Thats quite alright.

Adam and Eve eh? Well, youve offered some new insight.

And FLCL is amazing. But I like weird animes.
Moiraineland
06-10-2004, 01:01
Ghost in a Shell.

Hellsing.

Trigun.

Akira.

Need i say more?
Yes, BERSERK. If you haven't seen it, do so, it's great! Cowboy Bebop is also a favorite of mine--It's a classic by now, along with Outlaw Star, I haven't seen that one for awhile.

For weird animes, I think you should include Soul Taker, Boogiepop Phantom and Lain. (I see Excel Saga has already been mentioned) ;)
Sorakus
06-10-2004, 01:07
sure, SEELE attacks NERV, SEELE realeases EVA 5-13 to initialize constructive third impact (explain later). gendo, to cut SEELE to the chase, fuses wit embryo Adam ( :confused: ) and attempts to Fuse wit rei to initialize constructive third impact. rei refuses and fuses wit Lilith (the sac o' shiot on the cross) to initialize third impact on her own saying "I will not be anyone's puppet". (much resemblant of the original story of adam and lilith) rei starts third impact uniting all human minds into one by removing all A.T fields, but Shinji, Being the absolute pussy he is, rejects it and ends the whoe damn mess.

heres where every one starts to get differentiating oppinions as to what happened after third impact. here are two theories that i have read
1. shinji is dead, the world where he is wit asuka is really his version of the afterlife
2. shinji is alive, wit asuka, to repopulate the human race

there is plenty enough evidence to contradict both these theories so you're on ur own kid
Moiraineland
06-10-2004, 01:08
Why is it that every single government or organization in the world chooses whiny annoying 14 year olds to pilot their giant robot super weapons???

That's if you want to watch that type of anime, there are many other genre's out there.

Hellsing, Berserk, Lain, Hakkendon, Blueseed, Hunter x Hunter just for starters have nothing to do with "giant robot super weapons."
Crossman
06-10-2004, 01:09
I'll stick with theory #2
Crossman
06-10-2004, 01:10
That's if you want to watch that type of anime, there are many other genre's out there.

Hellsing, Berserk, Lain, Hakkendon, Blueseed, Hunter x Hunter just for starters have nothing to do with "giant robot super weapons."

mmm...giant robot super weapons
The Northern Utopia
06-10-2004, 01:12
what is the connection between rorouni kenshin and samurai x

If I am thinking right it's the same thing, Samurai X was like a pilot to Ruroni Kenshin (or an OVA or whatever, I think it's essentially the same thing).
Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Also, anyone ever seen Samurai Champloo? I've only seen a couple of episodes but I just have to say wow. It's so pretty, it's also got pretty good action sequences, if you like samurai, and it's directed by the same guy who does Bebop.
Walnut Destructo
06-10-2004, 01:14
sure, SEELE attacks NERV, SEELE realeases EVA 5-13 to initialize constructive third impact (explain later). gendo, to cut SEELE to the chase, fuses wit embryo Adam ( :confused: ) and attempts to Fuse wit rei to initialize constructive third impact. rei refuses and fuses wit Lilith (the sac o' shiot on the cross) to initialize third impact on her own saying "I will not be anyone's puppet". (much resemblant of the original story of adam and lilith) rei starts third impact uniting all human minds into one by removing all A.T fields, but Shinji, Being the absolute pussy he is, rejects it and ends the whoe damn mess.

heres where every one starts to get differentiating oppinions as to what happened after third impact. here are two theories that i have read
1. shinji is dead, the world where he is wit asuka is really his version of the afterlife
2. shinji is alive, wit asuka, to repopulate the human race

there is plenty enough evidence to contradict both these theories so you're on ur own kid


Wow. Thats insane. Ok. I think I need to re-watch End of Evangelion.
Moiraineland
06-10-2004, 01:15
mmm...giant robot super weapons

You obviously have not seen these animes.
The Northern Utopia
06-10-2004, 01:15
That's if you want to watch that type of anime, there are many other genre's out there.

Hellsing, Berserk, Lain, Hakkendon, Blueseed, Hunter x Hunter just for starters have nothing to do with "giant robot super weapons."
Oh, no, I know that. I like anime. I also understand the whole rite of passage thing with the age of 14 as someone else explained. I was just wondering what would posses almost every single entity in the universe to allow 14 year olds to pilot a machine worth billions of dollars and not, oh say, a military expert trained for years.
Walnut Destructo
06-10-2004, 01:18
Oh, no, I know that. I like anime. I also understand the whole rite of passage thing with the age of 14 as someone else explained. I was just wondering what would posses almost every single entity in the universe to allow 14 year olds to pilot a machine worth billions of dollars and not, oh say, a military expert trained for years.

What about Big O? Youve got frikin Bruce Wayne piloting a giant robot!
Moiraineland
06-10-2004, 01:32
Oh, no, I know that. I like anime. I also understand the whole rite of passage thing with the age of 14 as someone else explained.

I believe there have been studies conducted on anime and younger teen males but that doesn't mean that is the only age group that watches anime. I've been watching it for years now and I am not 14, nor am I am male.

I was just wondering what would posses almost every single entity in the universe to allow 14 year olds to pilot a machine worth billions of dollars and not, oh say, a military expert trained for years.

lol I agree, but then again, that's for many of the "mecha" animes but there's a lot of excellent anime out there that doesn't involve 14 year olds piloting giant mechas. ;) Some of them are fine to watch anyway, try Escaflowne, NOT THE NEW MOVIE!! But the original series, it's excellent! It just depends on your taste and what you want to get out of anime.

I think the most important thing when watching anime is to watch it in Japanese with subtitles. You'll be surprised at the difference in the series when spoken in the language it was written for. Also, stay away from animes on TV, especailly stations like FOX, they are reknown for butchering anime series. If you can rent (or borrow) vhs or dvd of whatever series you want, that's the best way to get into whatever genre you are interested in.
Nowhere Place
06-10-2004, 01:32
Okay, let me clear a few things up for you, those of you who are asking why mech pilots are so young: (For 2 series, more on the way)

Mobile Suit Gundam: Zeon attacks Side 7 (only one colony in that Side, as it's under construction), where the Earth Federation is testing new Mobile Suits. They kill almost all of the military personnel in the colony. Because there's pretty much nobody left to fight out of Side 7, and most of the colony's inhabitants are either very young or very old, the only people left to man the warship and remaining Mobile Suits are in their teens and early twenties. The crew does such a good job fighting its way into Federation controlled territory that they keep them. Not that there's really many people left in the system older than them to take their place, anyway...

Neon Genesis Evangelion: Second Impact in 2000. Adam, the first Angel, being experimented on by researches from the Intrumentality of Man Commitee, suddenly has its AT Field "pop". The resulting explosion melts Antarctica, floods much of the world, and has everyone pointing fingures and launching nukes. "Apocalypse now".
14 years later, the Angels come looking for Adam and Lilith (the second Angel, crucifixed by NERV and "mother" of the Eva models and all of humanity). Mankind has created the Evas in anticipation of this event. However, there is a catch. The only people left in the world with strong enough "AT Fields" are kids that were born soon after the Second Impact and didn't really grow up with the benefit of a loving family. Thus, their AT Fields are amazingly strong, and can be manifested into a "physical" thing by their respective Eva units. End of explanation. (And if that confuses you, then congratualtions. You and the rest of the world.)




Btw, Berserk is one of my favorites, even though the ending is like a bad drug trip. The mangas, though, are even worse than the anime when it comes to the gore and "trippyness" factor.
Grynshlick
06-10-2004, 01:33
Here`s my list, five + are a must-see, one + is a waste of a time. I prefer rather trashy 80s style mecha anime, ghibli is an exception, it`s definitly no trash ;)
Nausicaa +++++
Grave of the fireflies +++++
Totoro ++++
The cat returns +++
Mononoke ++++
Spirited Away ++++

Dr. Slump +++++
Metropolis ++
Getter Robo ++++
Mazinga Z +++++
Great Mazinga +++++
Mazinkaiser +++++
Gao Gai Gar ++++
Gad Guard +++
L-Gaim +++
Hellsing ++++
Space Ship Yamato ++
Nadesico +++++
Captain Herlock Endless Odyssey +++++
Full Metal Alchemist +++
Gundam 0079 +++++
Chars Counterattack ++++
Gundam War in a Pocket +++
Gundam 0083 +++
Gundam Wing + Endless Waltz +++++
Gundam X +++
Gundam Seed + (not as worse as g-saviour, but still sucks)
Gundam ZZ ++++
Gundam 8th + Millers Report +++++
Victory Gundam +++

No Akira or Ghost in a shell here, never liked them. :P
Sorakus
06-10-2004, 01:38
NO ONE ANSWERED MY QUESTION :headbang: :mp5:
WTF is FLCL At LEAST TELL ME WHAT STANDS FOR!!!! ;)
Moiraineland
06-10-2004, 01:41
Btw, Berserk is one of my favorites, even though the ending is like a bad drug trip. The mangas, though, are even worse than the anime when it comes to the gore and "trippyness" factor.

I agree, so many anime endings piss me off. Escaflowne, when I first saw the end, I said they ran out of money, come to find out, they did. Cowboy Bebop pissed me off, and Berserk, is a little on the stupid side but then again, it takes almost the entire series before you are even introduced to the God Hands---also, the series here in the states is not the entire Berserk series, there's much more, whether it will be released here in the states anytime soon remains to be seen. But so many anime series do have lame endings, lol look at Evangelion, they had what? 3/4 endings? They still couldn't get it right!
Arenestho
06-10-2004, 01:42
NO ONE ANSWERED MY QUESTION :headbang: :mp5:
WTF is FLCL At LEAST TELL ME WHAT STANDS FOR!!!! ;)
It's about the crazy adventures of a teenage boy and some alien chicks as far as I've understood from summaries and screen shots.
Grynshlick
06-10-2004, 01:42
NO ONE ANSWERED MY QUESTION :headbang: :mp5:
WTF is FLCL At LEAST TELL ME WHAT STANDS FOR!!!! ;)

http://www.google.com/search?q=flcl+anime
Nowhere Place
06-10-2004, 01:43
Lol. Here's the best part: Nobody really knows what it means. It stands for "Fooly Cooly".

Because FLCL is GAINAX's parody of Japanese and American pop culture, and of animation in general, it is meant to be extremely strange and almost incomprehensible at times. At least, that's how I've thought of it.
Moiraineland
06-10-2004, 01:46
NO ONE ANSWERED MY QUESTION :headbang: :mp5:
WTF is FLCL At LEAST TELL ME WHAT STANDS FOR!!!! ;)

The entire name is: Fooly Cooly Furi Kuri (Japanese)
And I agree with what everyone ahead of me posted! :)

I've tried to watch this series but I came in the middle of it, I think it's one of those animes that it makes more sense (if at all) to watch it from the beginning.

lol I guess I'm "old school" anime, I still like the original Tenchi Muyo and the Irresponsible Captain Taylor! :rolleyes:
Der Engel des Todes
06-10-2004, 01:47
NO ONE ANSWERED MY QUESTION :headbang: :mp5:
WTF is FLCL At LEAST TELL ME WHAT STANDS FOR!!!! ;)Fooly Cooly :rolleyes:
OmniCloud
06-10-2004, 01:48
So, in keeping with the thread title...

Anyone watch Wolf's Riegn?
Moiraineland
06-10-2004, 01:49
So, in keeping with the thread title...

Anyone watch Wolf's Riegn?

They've been advertising it on Adult Swim, (I think)---it looks interesting, have you seen it? When I go to AnimeNation again, it's one of those series I would like to take a look at.
Der Engel des Todes
06-10-2004, 01:53
Lol. Here's the best part: Nobody really knows what it means. It stands for "Fooly Cooly".

Because FLCL is GAINAX's parody of Japanese and American pop culture, and of animation in general, it is meant to be extremely strange and almost incomprehensible at times. At least, that's how I've thought of it.Fooly Cooly, if you've seen it is in reference to naughty things, perverted things. FLCL was made by the same ppl that made Neon Genisis Evangelion, one of the greatest animes I've ever seen. FLCL is good but very weird and a little hard to follow.(just like Evangelion only a little harder still)
:D :gundge:
Der Engel des Todes
06-10-2004, 01:54
They've been advertising it on Adult Swim, (I think)---it looks interesting, have you seen it? When I go to AnimeNation again, it's one of those series I would like to take a look at.It pretty good, I like the guy with one blue eye and one brown and gold eye, if you've seen that far.
Letila
06-10-2004, 02:08
I've heard a lot about FLCL, though it sounds rather odd. Should I bother watching it?
Moiraineland
06-10-2004, 02:13
It pretty good, I like the guy with one blue eye and one brown and gold eye, if you've seen that far.

I think I will check that one out for sure, gotta get to the anime store!

I've heard a lot about FLCL, though it sounds rather odd. Should I bother watching it?

I would say yes, it almost has a "cult" following. Give it a shot. :mp5:
Walnut Destructo
06-10-2004, 02:17
I'd like to do the thing where I list all my favortie animes. Anyone oppose?

Hellsing
Neon Genisis Evangelion
FLCL
Big O
One Piece
Gundam 8th MS Team (The only redeemable saga of the Gundam Seires, IMO)
Lupin III
Cowboy Bebop
Wolf's Rain (the giant poster on my wall says "rain" so im going with that)
Ranma 1/2
Naruto
Noir
Excell Saga

I think thats it.
Nowhere Place
06-10-2004, 02:18
Fooly Cooly, if you've seen it is in reference to naughty things, perverted things. FLCL was made by the same ppl that made Neon Genisis Evangelion, one of the greatest animes I've ever seen. FLCL is good but very weird and a little hard to follow.(just like Evangelion only a little harder still)
:D :gundge:

I've seen FLCL, and they still don't tell you what FLCL actually means. In fact, they make a point of it in the last episode right after the "manga segment".

Lol. It's so odd that I own the DVDs, and still don't get the damn show at some parts.


Anyone watch Wolf's Riegn?

Yes. Very well done, if you ask me. Those "Nobles" are some creepy folks, lol.
Moiraineland
06-10-2004, 02:25
Lupin III
Cowboy Bebop
Have you noticed the similarities between Lupin and Cowboy Bebop? Considering the difference in age from when Lupin was made and Cowboy Bebop was made, seems the latter did some copying. :p
Sorakus
06-10-2004, 03:31
ne1 eva here of Tokyo Godfathers, good lordie it was amazingly well done
FMP
10-10-2004, 16:30
FLCL DEF: five hamsters on crack (yes i have saw this my frinds brother, two weeks pryer, had gotten took off to jail for possion and my frind found a small part of his "stash", which the cops some how missed, while i was over and his parents were out. we fed it to his hamsters, put two in a ball and thay repedity ran down the stares and ended up killing them selves. one knawed its way throu the screen on his window and fell to the ground which was five stories down and was killed. two ran away, one was found two days later by hs sister in her "under garments" drawer. she flung it up into her fan and it got flung into the wall and knocked a hole in it (fan on high and thin dry wall) and of corse was killed the other was found when we tryed to vacume up his room it ran out from under the bed and right up the tube of the vacume and surprisingly it survived. the only one if you have ben following. needles to say his parents were mega pissed when thay got home. BTW i was 8 or 9 when we did this im 16 now and would never do something so stupid agen)
Nowhere Place
11-10-2004, 13:42
... FLCL DEF? Never heard of it. As far as I know, FLCL never had a sequel.
Crossman
11-10-2004, 18:02
Meh.... I still haven't gotten around to looking into FLCL yet. I'm scared. And I don't know why, oh wait yes I do. I'd rather not get into another series yet thats going to hurt my mind in an Eva way. I'm still healing from the Evangelion series, and I finished the whole thing years ago....

*shudder*

SHINJI STOP SCREAMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :headbang:
Sorakus
11-10-2004, 21:47
ne1 ever read Evangelion manga (comic book)? it is every bit as good, several parts of the story differ (how they introduced asuka, thhy skipped 2 of the angels, etc.) and I at least thought it was somwhat less confusing reading the story rather than watching it, that is, easier to understand what was happening and i think shinji is just a tad less of a pussy though i may be wrong
Crossman
11-10-2004, 22:00
ne1 ever read Evangelion manga (comic book)? it is every bit as good, several parts of the story differ (how they introduced asuka, thhy skipped 2 of the angels, etc.) and I at least thought it was somwhat less confusing reading the story rather than watching it, that is, easier to understand what was happening

I haven't read all of the manga, but I've read some of it. Its good.
Nowhere Place
11-10-2004, 22:55
Well, all of the manga hasn't come out here, yet. They're only up to Vol. 8. It first came out here a long time ago, and they're now releasing it with new covers. The manga, I've found, is amazing. I've got Vols. 1-8. Very good. It is a bit less confusing, reading the manga, but I think that's because it's always easier to catch the deeper meaning in written dialogue than in spoken.

I agree, Shinji does scream a tad too much... but Evangelion is still one of my favorite animes of all time.
Crossman
11-10-2004, 22:59
Well, all of the manga hasn't come out here, yet. They're only up to Vol. 8. It first came out here a long time ago, and they're now releasing it with new covers. The manga, I've found, is amazing. I've got Vols. 1-8. Very good. It is a bit less confusing, reading the manga, but I think that's because it's always easier to catch the deeper meaning in written dialogue than in spoken.

I agree, Shinji does scream a tad too much... but Evangelion is still one of my favorite animes of all time.

Oh yeah, Eva is my favorite... its just that damn Shinji... :mp5:
Crossman
11-10-2004, 23:00
Has anyone else seen "Real Bout High School" also known as "Samurai Girl Real Bout High School"?
Sorakus
12-10-2004, 01:33
sure, SEELE attacks NERV, SEELE realeases EVA 5-13 to initialize constructive third impact (explain later). gendo, to cut SEELE to the chase, fuses wit embryo Adam ( :confused: ) and attempts to Fuse wit rei to initialize constructive third impact. rei refuses and fuses wit Lilith (the sac o' shiot on the cross) to initialize third impact on her own saying "I will not be anyone's puppet". (much resemblant of the original story of adam and lilith) rei starts third impact uniting all human minds into one by removing all A.T fields, but Shinji, Being the absolute pussy he is, rejects it and ends the whoe damn mess.

heres where every one starts to get differentiating oppinions as to what happened after third impact. here are two theories that i have read
1. shinji is dead, the world where he is wit asuka is really his version of the afterlife
2. shinji is alive, wit asuka, to repopulate the human race

there is plenty enough evidence to contradict both these theories so you're on ur own kid

sorry to come bak late like this but if you want this expination in much better detail at http://www.bfx-net.com/evafaqs/evamovie.html (FYI: the guy explaining this is pretending to be Gendo Ikari :confused: :rolleyes: )
Nowhere Place
12-10-2004, 06:28
Here's my whole take on the "are Shinji and Asuka dead?" thing (and this is just an excuse for me to interject my opinion, because I'm such a self-centered asshole):

At the end, Shinji asks Rei/Lilith if he's dead, and they're in heaven. Rei/Lilith replies no, that where they are is between heaven and earth.

Shinji is also asked which he would like, a world without pain, but no self; or a world with pain, but with self. Shinji chooses the latter. He wants to go back to the world because he wants to feel loved by a certain someone (more on that later). It is my opinion, then, that Shinji and Asuka are not in heaven while on the beach. Instead, I'm thinking along the lines of this: That Shinji and Asuka are "Adam and Eve".

You can pull specific examples from the story to emphasize this. Remember, Adam's first wife was Lilith? Well, Rei was literally Lilith. The forbidden fruit? Feelings. The Angels didn't get feelings, while mankind did. Shinji doesn't think that life is worth living if you can't have feelings (especially love), and thus has the world reborn. Shinji is tempted by "feelings" to go back to sin.



Now, why did he do that? Well, that can be answered by the person on the beach with him at the end. And who does he choose to come with him? Asuka. Asuka, did die, but since Rei/Lilith holds all souls, she grants him Asuka. Why did he choose her? Well, that's a matter based on personal (my) opinion. If you look at the entirety of NGE, who's the only person that repeatedly pushes Shinji away, and never acknowledges his feelings. Asuka. Misato kisses Shinji, then dies. It's pointed out many times that she treats him like family, like a little brother. That's two examples in which Misato "loves" (not in a sexual way, more in a friend/family way) Shinji. Rei lets Shinji make the choice between a world of no pain or of individuality, instead of choosing for herself. She cares about how Shinji feels. I guess that's love. But Asuka is the only one who doesn't "love" him. Not the way he wants. Sure, they kissed. Big whoop. It didn't mean very much in the whole scale of things, anyway. Asuka was still a psychotic bitch towards Shinji, and Shinji would respond in kind (sort of).

The most key thing, here, is the scene in which he is having the visions of Rei, Asuka, and Misato. He accuses them of being mean to him, and they respond that they are nice to him. He calls them liars. Two of them were nice to him (in his opinion, deep down inside). Can you guess which ones those were? (I just gave you examples :rolleyes: )(Another) Hint: The only one that wasn't nice, he tried to strangle. That's right. Asuka's the only one who he doesn't really think is nice to him, even though she's the one he cares about the most. Kind of sad, huh? Shinji wanted to have feelings in the world so he could try and get Asuka to have feelings for him. At least, he did IMO. Because any feelings without self don't mean anything. Sure, he's mad at Asuka for being a total bitch towards him and trying to crush his feelings towards her. He's hella mad at her. He even tried to strangle her. But in the end, he realizes that he just can't do it. That she means too much to him. ;)

(And there's my brief wrap-up on Evangelion, for those of you who are confused. And you thought some books were deep.)
Sorakus
13-10-2004, 02:17
well one theorie i read and personally agree with said that when Lilith/Rei "died" and released all the souls from herself, they were returned to earth, where those who felt the same way that shinji did about the world without AT fields (that it was just a cop out from reality), could return to flesh and bone and AT field, Asuka was one of these people. disagree if you wish, I gladly welcome evidence to contradict me

read the whole theorie here: http://www.evaotaku.com/html/evafaq2.html
Superpower07
13-10-2004, 02:41
Speaking of deep meaning in anime:

Does anybody else here thing that Zeon is symbolic of Nazism?

1) Their battle-cry is "Sieg Zeon!" (taken directly from Sieg Heil)
2) At least 2 of the UC Gundam series had tall antagonists w/blonde hair (hitler's ideal man being TALL, BLONDE, and Aryan)
3) Their uniforms are Nazi-esque
4) I heard that in this one series (Gundam ZZ), the enemy is a group calling themselves Neo-Zeon (Like Neo-Nazi)
Nowhere Place
13-10-2004, 05:06
Well, the Zeon have a fascist leader. And I don't mean Degwin Zabi, who is a mere figurehead. I mean his son, Gihren Zabi, commander of all Zeon military forces (and really, the government itself). You see, Gihren is a professed follower of the ideals of Hitler and Mussolini. He tells his father: "Watch how Hitler's shadow fights this war." He fully believes in breeding programs to make a perfect race, a very fascist practice.

As for "Sieg Zeon!", it's the Zeon's rallying cry, first made famous at the public funeral of Garma Zabi, Degwin's youngest son. "Sieg" means "victory". So, they're saying "Victory Zeon!" Another favorite toast of their's is "To victory, life or death!" It's a theme. Side 3 (the Zeon homeland) also has many German descendents (even though it may not be evident, most of the time).

I've had the privelege of seeing Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam and a bit of Mobile Suit ZZ Gundam. Indeed, the remnants of Zeon at Axis do refer to themselves as the "Neo-Zeon". "Neo" means "new" (I think in ancient Greek or Latin). It's leader, Haman Karn, ostensively supports the views of the Zabi Family (and by that, I mean the supremacy of spacenoids): That "spacenoids" are superior to those on Earth. They eventually crumble from within.

However, that is just the first Neo Zeon. The second Neo Zeon was headed by Casval Rem Deikun (Char Aznable), and can be seen in the move Char's Counterattack. Casval, it can be argued, was as radical as Gihren. He wished to drop asteroids and nuclear weapons on Earth, to cause a Nuclear Winter and force everyone still living on Earth to move to the space colonies, where they could evolve into Newtypes. His plan, too, was foiled.

Yes, some of the "main character" Zeons have blond hair and blue eyes. But, when you compare that with the majority of Zeon characters you see over the UC timeline, you'll see that they're very mixed. You have whites, blacks, hispanics, asian, etc. They (most of them) aren't partial to one ethnic group or religion (except, of course, to space colonists).

Is there a connection between the Zeon and the Nazis? I'd say there is a bit of one. That can be accounted to their leaders and a large percentage of German descendents (and I'm not calling all Germans Nazis, by the way; just saying that them using German is not that strange). However, calling the Zeon a total knock-off of the Nazis is totally unfair. Zeon's soldiers are so ethnically mixed, and there are no "solutions" for destroying any one, two, etc. groups; instead, they just want independence from the Earth Federation. Sure, Gihren and his followers want ethnic cleansing, but that's because they're a bunch of nutcases.