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Following Cherry Ridge's distorted version of Catholicism in his thread, this thread is for questions with answers actually backed up by Catholic doctrine.

oooh, let the Schizming begin!

Ask a "soon to be banned" catholic more I like it...

how long does it take before you are on so many peoples "ignore" list that you have to assume a new identity?
how many puppets do you currently post under?
do you wonder why people bother to "debate" you when you are so obviously a troll?

hahahahahaha!

*deadpan*


so what's your stance on the verse "judge not lest ye be judged" which i believe is found in matthew 7:1 and somewhere in luke as well. who give you the authority to judge cherry ridge a bad catholic? who give you the authority to condemn others? et c.

Why do you continue to insist you are a Catholic when you shame the entire religion by claiming membership?

What exactly is the relationship between the pope and God?

how long does it take before you are on so many peoples "ignore" list before you have to assume a new identity?
how many puppets do you currently post under?
do you wonder why people bother to "debate" you when you are so obviously a troll?
I've never posted under any other guise.

I want to know if, apart from yourself, you believe anyone that you personally know will get to heaven.

What exactly is the relationship between the pope and God?
According to the Roman Catechism:
"The Church has but one ruler and one governor, the invisible one, Christ, whom the eternal Father hath made head over all the Church, which is his body; the visible one, the Pope, who, as legitimate successor of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, fills the Apostolic chair."


The Pope is the Vicar of Christ, and the papal tiara symbolizes his governance of the universal Church on earth. That is, God's Church, of which he is His earthly representative.

I want to know if, apart from yourself, you believe anyone that you personally know will get to heaven.
Faithful Roman Catholics.

Who pounded this intolerant and unappealing doctrine into your head? Parents? A religious figure? Friends? Have you ever stepped back to consider every opposing viewpoint, and if you, truly, personally, and objectively believe this rhetoric you spew?

Who pounded this intolerant and unappealing doctrine into your head? Parents? A religious figure? Friends? Have you ever stepped back to consider every opposing viewpoint, and if you, truly, personally, and objectively believe this rhetoric you spew?
I have escaped the system and examined everything from a free point of view, from which I have arrived at the Truth.

Faithful Roman Catholics.

I'm more of a Roman Catholic than you'll ever be, and I don't think anyone as hateful as you could ever get into heaven as I see it.

Why do you think you, and only you are right?

I have escaped the system and examined everything from a free point of view, from which I have arrived at the Truth.

I think what needs examining is your head.

This guy is a nut. he is just mad that i asked him not to answer quewstions in my thread.
Also there is a Shismatic church called the True Catholic church.
They dont recognize Pope John Paul II.
They recognize anti pope Pius the 13.
is this who you believe to be the pope? He is based in colorado.
THE TRUE POPE IS JOHN PAUL II.
This again is just because he got mad at me.

I have escaped the system and examined everything from a free point of view, from which I have arrived at the Truth.
How do you think you have you done that? You seem to agree with "the system" in every aspect. Don't you have an original viewpoint in your head?

Who is the pope today? I was wondering, because I doubt you see John Paul II as a real pope.

This guy is a nut. he is just mad that i asked him not to answer quewstions in my thread.
Also there is a Shismatic church called the True Catholic church.
They dont recognize Pope John Paul II.
They recognize anti pope Pius the 13.
is this who you believe to be the pope? He is based in colorado.
THE TRUE POPE IS JOHN PAUL II.
This again is just because he got mad at me.
Yes there is a somewhat misguided man by the name of Fr. Lucian Pulvermacher, who claims to be Pope Pius XIII.
That has nothing to do with me.

"Oy vey! Why are schmucks like you always posting schlock on this forum?"

*back to reality*
How do you know that your truth is indeed, *the* truth? After all, there are many contradictions in every denomination's Bible

so is manboy love between priests and alterboys actually a matter of doctrine or is it just custom from centuries of practice.

How do you think you have you done that? You seem to agree with "the system" in every aspect. Don't you have an original viewpoint in your head?
Yes, I've escaped the indoctrinations I've received about the "beautiful rainbow" of multiculturalism and how "beautiful" the Hindoos and other pagans are compared with that "evil Western religion", Christianity.
Everything I believe today is original, liberating myself from someone who once really cared who was in the White House or any such deceptions. The Jewish establishment's indoctrinations are presumably what your beliefs are based on, like so many others....

Who do you recognize as the pope. I recognize Pope John Paul II.

so is manboy love between priests and alterboys actually a matter of doctrine or is it just custom from centuries of practice.
What are you talking about? Keep your perverted thoughts away from this discussion.

"Oy vey! Why are schmucks like you always posting schlock on this forum?"

*back to reality*
How do you know that your truth is indeed, *the* truth? After all, there are many contradictions in every denomination's Bible
There is only ONE INSPIRED BIBLE TRANSLATION, the LATIN VULGATE!
This has been repeatedly asserted in several places, including a separate thread for that topic.

Yes, I've escaped the indoctrinations I've received about the "beautiful rainbow" of multiculturalism and how "beautiful" the Hindoos and other pagans are compared with that "evil Western religion", Christianity.You're trying to make me believe that your parents raised you as a tolerant, reasonable person? So instead of accepting that doctrine, you go and pay lip service to another, even stricter and harsher one?

What are you talking about? Keep your perverted thoughts away from this discussion.

I do believe he's talking about the plague of priests molesting altar boys.

There is only ONE INSPIRED BIBLE TRANSLATION, the LATIN VULGATE!
This has been repeatedly asserted in several places, including a separate thread for that topic.

By you and you alone.

Do you even know when the Latin Vulgate was adopted by the Catholic Church?

so what's your stance on the verse "judge not lest ye be judged" which i believe is found in matthew 7:1 and somewhere in luke as well. who gave you the authority to judge cherry ridge a bad catholic? who gave you the authority to condemn others? et c.

*ahem*

you forgot to answer my question.

I do believe he's talking about the plague of priests molesting altar boys.
...Which never occurred in the Roman Catholic Church.

What are you talking about? Keep your perverted thoughts away from this discussion.
He's talking about how many priests who claim to be true Roman Catholics have been found guilty of child molestation.

Oh and don't give me some response that it's the ZOG media making these lies.


AHHH OMFG PH33R TEH ZOG!!!111oneoneone+shift
The Zaft Omnipotent Gundams must be stopped!
The Zeonic Orbital Grenades cannot be launched!!!

Faithful Roman Catholics.

What I meant was, are there many people that you've met, not what kind of people would they be

There is only ONE INSPIRED BIBLE TRANSLATION, the LATIN VULGATE!
This has been repeatedly asserted in several places, including a separate thread for that topic.
Yeah, sure . . . then why does the word Vulgate have the same root as vulgar, which means sick and disgusting?

He's talking about how many priests who claim to be true Roman Catholics have been found guilty of child molestation.

Oh and don't give me some response that it's the ZOG media making these lies.


AHHH OMFG PH33R TEH ZOG!!!111oneoneone+shift
The Zaft Omnipotent Gundams must be stopped!
The Zeonic Orbital Grenades cannot be launched!!!

Zoo Of Giraffes?

What I meant was, are there many people that you've met, not what kind of people would they be
Of course, there are still plenty of God-fearing, faithful Roman Catholics.

...Which never occurred in the Roman Catholic Church.

Right. Go ahead and believe that.

Yeah, sure . . . then why does the word Vulgate have the same root as vulgar, which means sick and disgusting?
Haha.:rolleyes: Try making some intelligent points. :rolleyes:

Right. Go ahead and believe that.
Well, nothing such ever occurred in the Catholic Church, so how can I believe otherwise?

Well, nothing such ever occurred in the Catholic Church, so how can I believe otherwise?
Prove it.

Prove it.
I cannot present proof that something like that did not happen.
Prove that there was any sexual scandal in the Roman Catholic Church.

You're trying to make me believe that your parents raised you as a tolerant, reasonable person? So instead of accepting that doctrine, you go and pay lip service to another, even stricter and harsher one?
UNfree People I have found that most "intolerants" were rasied "tolerant".
It is prejudicial to blame his parents who must suffer great shame at bringing forth such an issue as him.

Well, nothing such ever occurred in the Catholic Church, so how can I believe otherwise?

My Boston Globe says otherwise.

Hey, look at this. The Globe has an entire section of their website devoted to all the coverage of the Catholic clergy abuse scandal.

http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/

Yeah, sure . . . then why does the word Vulgate have the same root as vulgar, which means sick and disgusting?
I can actually answer that, just from the Latin word vulgus, vulgi meaning "the common" men/women/things. The Vulgate is the common translation of the Bible (or was when it was writting), and vulgar comes from the abhorrance certain people held for 'the mob'.

This guy is not being entirly truthful. Yes priests have molested boys.
AND YES more protestant ministers have molested oys than Catholic priests.
My thread is the Ask A catholic thread. This is just a copy.

My Boston Globe says otherwise.

Hey, look at this. The Globe has an entire section of their website devoted to all the coverage of the Catholic clergy abuse scandal.

http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/
That refers to homosexual scandals occurring in the Church of the Novus Ordo.
Not the Roman Catholic Church.

The following is a sarcastic post about TT's logic

*the swiss guard, sworn protectors of the Vatican, raise their submachine guns toward Superpower07*
"You have questioned the Vatican's infallible authority!11oneoneone+shift"
*the Pope appears*
"No, Superpower07 is not the enemy; the enemy is TT!"
*all guards fire upon TT, and I join in with the mighty Freedom Gundam*

UNfree People I have found that most "intolerants" were rasied "tolerant".
It is prejudicial to blame his parents who must suffer great shame at bringing forth such an issue as him.
I think I'd have to disagree, not from experience but from basic principles - tolerance breeds tolerance, intolerance more of the same.

Do Roman Catholics eat their God?

Do Roman Catholics eat their God?
Cannibals!

Do Roman Catholics eat their God?
No, but they do receive the Corpus Christi at the Sacrifice of the Holy Mass.

No, but they do receive the Corpus Christi at the Sacrifice of the Holy Mass.

So the transubstantiation is not literal, but metaphorical?

So the transubstantiation is not literal, but metaphorical?
No, it is it very literal.

Do Roman Catholics eat their God?

No, we eat Jesus.

No, it is it very literal.

Ergo: they eat their God.

Following Cherry Ridge's distorted version of Catholicism in his thread, this thread is for questions with answers actually backed up by Catholic doctrine.

Though I usually don't agree with you TT, I unfourtunately :( do have to agree with you that CR's views on Catholicism are a bit distorted and very much "hollier-than-thou".

...Which never occurred in the Roman Catholic Church.
I love this guy! I wonder which of the three wise monkeys he is...

Ergo: they eat their God.

Jesus Christ is not the Roman Catholic god.

my questions from the first page that still haven't been answered:

so what's your stance on the verse "judge not lest ye be judged" which i believe is found in matthew 7:1 and somewhere in luke as well. who gives you the authority to judge cherry ridge a bad catholic? who gives you the authority to condemn others? et c.


and i would also like to add, why is it that after i elaborated on mithras in a thread yesterday, you stopped responding to it?

No, we eat Jesus.
If you "eat Jesus," then are you are not Catholic.
The Body of Christ is physically received at Mass, but it is not chewed and swallowed like some Jew eating Hebrew National.

SO YOU ARE NOT ROMAN CATHOLIC.
You are schismatic.
The Novus ordo church has indult traditional masses.
What "pope" do you recognize.
John Paul II is the pope. Who do you think it is.

I love this guy!
Another intelligent first post. :rolleyes:

I think I'd have to disagree, not from experience but from basic principles - tolerance breeds tolerance, intolerance more of the same.
From experience I must stand on my position.
I was raised racist.
I am not.
Also your statement was prejudicial, as if simply one must suffer the same mental defects of there parents opinions, or do you suppose that just because someones parents were good natured that a good natured person would occur from them.
I understand your logic, I am saying from my experience it is incorrect.
Children resist becoming what there parents are, second overly tolerant parents tolerate much from ill mannered children.
Strict harsh parents tend to create psycologically timid people.
TT is obviously the product of lack of discipline, and overly liberal thinking(I say overly liberal, as in lacking restraint, Liberal mindedness is always good quality).
Ignorance is not a genetic trait, it is a personal choice.
My guess would be his parents sought to edicate him in the traditions of the family and in a twisted attempt to shame his parents he is what you see now.
A bitter jaded simplton. Impersonating an intelluctual.
Mainly it is unfair to hold his parents culpable for his failings as a human being.

Jesus Christ is not the Roman Catholic god.

Are you implying that Roman Catholics do not recognise Jesus Christ as divine?

SO YOU ARE NOT ROMAN CATHOLIC.
You are a traditional.
The Novus ordo church has indult traditional masses.
What "pope" do you recognize.
John Paul II is the pope. Who do you think it is.
The Church is in a state of sede vacante.

Are you implying that Roman Catholics do not recognise Jesus Christ as divine?

Yes they do, but God is their God. Jesus is just the son of god, though he is also part of God because of the three-for-one deal they get with the Trinity.

If you "eat Jesus," then are you are not Catholic.
The Body of Christ is physically received at Mass, but it is not chewed and swallowed like some Jew eating Hebrew National.

Yes, technically you aren't supposed to chew it, but that's arguing semantics, saying that eating is different from drinking.

my questions from the first page that still haven't been answered:

so what's your stance on the verse "judge not lest ye be judged" which i believe is found in matthew 7:1 and somewhere in luke as well. who gives you the authority to judge cherry ridge a bad catholic? who gives you the authority to condemn others? et c.


and i would also like to add, why is it that after i elaborated on mithras in a thread yesterday, you stopped responding to it?

ok, i repeat my question again.

I'm starting to wonder if TT isn't a FORMER Catholic that wants to make a bad name for the rest us practicing Catholics. :rolleyes:

The Church is in a state of sede vacante.
You do not recginize th e true pontiff.
He was validly elected by the Cardinals as was the pope who initiated Vatican II. They were all validly ecelted.
THIS GUY IS NOT CATHOLIC.

Following Cherry Ridge's distorted version of Catholicism in his thread, this thread is for questions with answers actually backed up by Catholic doctrine.

The Catholic Doctrine is nothing more than the ancient pagan roman religions in an attempted combination with the nobile truth of Judeo-Christianity to produce the most transparent lie in the history of man - check the historical track record of the "Holy" Roman Catholic Church against humanity to see what I mean.

So why ask a true pagan anything - when you can just review hte facts of history - and as God will - the evidence - unsupressed, uninfluenced, untainted by the propaganda of these deficient men.

Excercise your Godgiven mind - know the truth and it Will set you free.
Ask the Almighty - not a Pagan, whom to speak of truth is almost amussing.
If Catholics obeyed God as ruler, rather than men, the world would not be in its current dismal state.

Salaam.

Yes they do, but God is their God. Jesus is just the son of god, though he is also part of God because of the three-for-one deal they get with the Trinity.
Jesus is the word.
In the beginningis the word and the word was with God and the word WAS God.
Please stop. You are bnot Catholic, but presbyterian.

I'm starting to wonder if TT isn't a FORMER Catholic that wants to make a bad name for the rest us practicing Catholics. :rolleyes:

and he still hasn't answered my question!

You do not recginize th e true pontiff.
He was validly elected by the Cardinals as was the pope who initiated Vatican II. They were all validly ecelted.
THIS GUY IS NOT CATHOLIC.


AGREED CHERRY RIDGE!!!!!!

and he still hasn't answered my question!

I could answer that question as I have before.

If you "eat Jesus," then are you are not Catholic.
The Body of Christ is physically received at Mass, but it is not chewed and swallowed like some Jew eating Hebrew National.

The communion wafer, is however, swallowed/allowed to dissolve on the tongue. At what point does it cease to be the Body of Christ?

You do not recginize th e true pontiff.
He was validly elected by the Cardinals as was the pope who initiated Vatican II. They were all validly ecelted.
THIS GUY IS NOT CATHOLIC.
No, he was not valid nor was Angelo Roncalli nor Montini, nor Luciano.

Cardinal Siri was elected pope in 1958 upon the death of Pope Pius XII.
French communist-sympathizer bishops vetoed this election and declared the Italian communist Roncalli to be their antipope.
He subsequently called an evil non-Catholic council and it became incorrectly known as the Second Vatican Council by unsuspecting Catholics.
"John XXIII" apparently converted to Catholicism before his death-
his dying words were "Stop the council, stop the council..."

I could answer that question as I have before.

go for it.

The communion wafer, is however, swallowed/allowed to dissolve on the tongue. At what point does it cease to be the Body of Christ?
Never, It is received into the spirit of each of the faithful.

Jesus is the word.
In the beginningis the word and the word was with God and the word WAS God.
Please stop. You are bnot Catholic, but presbyterian.

Yes and the entire rest of my family is Catholic.

No, he was not valid nor was Angelo Roncalli nor Montini, nor Luciano.

Cardinal Siri was elected pope in 1958 upon the death of Pope Pius XII.
French communist-sympathizer bishops vetoed this election and declared the Italian communist Roncalli to be their antipope.
He subsequently called an evil non-Catholic council and it became incorrectly known as the Second Vatican Council by unsuspecting Catholics.
"John XXIII" apparently converted to Catholicism before his death-
his dying words were "Stop the council, stop the council..."

you do realise that the heliocentric system was accepted by the church in 1741, long before any of this happened, right?

The Catholic Doctrine is nothing more than the ancient pagan roman religions in an attempted combination with the nobile truth of Judeo-Christianity to produce the most transparent lie in the history of man - check the historical track record of the "Holy" Roman Catholic Church against humanity to see what I mean.

So why ask a true pagan anything - when you can just review hte facts of history - and as God will - the evidence - unsupressed, uninfluenced, untainted by the propaganda of these deficient men.

Excercise your Godgiven mind - know the truth and it Will set you free.
Ask the Almighty - not a Pagan, whom to speak of truth is almost amussing.
If Catholics obeyed God as ruler, rather than men, the world would not be in its current dismal state.

Salaam.


Nice useless rant, Protestant fool.

**Pretty much all the shit this dude have said**
Hmm, let's see, if all Roman Catholics are like you, rasict(I am talking about the links in your signature) then how faithfull are they to the bible? Just asking...

I am not catholic, I am a protestant, and I find this guy to be quite odd. The "catholic doctrine", is it a part of the bible? Not too versed, y'see.

you do realise that the heliocentric system was accepted by the church in 1741, long before any of this happened, right?
Again you state things with out the specific factual basis. State the facts first.
We've been over this numerous times about numerous issues, when will you start to get things straight?

CROSSMAN, you are not Catholic. Neither is Tenate Traditional.
COme over to my thread. I am the true Catholic.
I recognize Pope John Paul II.

Nice useless rant, Protestant fool.

i agree, not that protestants are fools, but i think everyone needs to be a little more informed before they start condemning Catholics.

Nice useless rant, Protestant fool.
Islamic.

Dakini, give it up.
He blatantly doesn't know the answer to your question or he would have answered by now.

Never, It is received into the spirit of each of the faithful.


So, are you now saying that the Communion wafer, which you admit is swallowed/allowed to dissolve on the tongue, remains the Body of Christ even beyond this point, and thus contradicting your earlier claim that "The Body of Christ is physically received at Mass, but it is not chewed and swallowed"?

CROSSMAN, you are not Catholic. Neither is Tenate Traditional.
COme over to my thread. I am the true Catholic.
I recognize Pope John Paul II.
A heretic cannot be pope!
How do you justify John Paul's ecumenical abominations?!

http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images/045_IndiaDancingWomen.jpg

So, are you now saying that the Communion wafer, which you admit is swallowed/allowed to dissolve on the tongue, remains the Body of Christ even beyond this point, and thus contradicting your earlier claim that "The Body of Christ is physically received at Mass, but it is not chewed and swallowed"?
That does not contradict anything I have said.

A heretic cannot be pope!
How do you justify John Paul's ecumenical abominations?!

http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images/045_IndiaDancingWomen.jpg
Care to back that up again?

go for it.

Of course there are elements of paganism in the life of Christ. The ultimate goal of the Messiah was to convert the pagans. Jesus was created not just as a Savior to the Jewish people but the world (the secular world was Roman).

So, are you now saying that the Communion wafer, which you admit is swallowed/allowed to dissolve on the tongue, remains the Body of Christ even beyond this point, and thus contradicting your earlier claim that "The Body of Christ is physically received at Mass, but it is not chewed and swallowed"?

Don't listen to what he says. He's not a member of the real Roman Catholic Church.

That does not contradict anything I have said.

So in the act of Communion, the Body of Christ is both swallowed and not-swallowed simultaneously?

Again you state things with out the specific factual basis. State the facts first.
We've been over this numerous times about numerous issues, when will you start to get things straight?

i am stating facts.

the catholic church accepted the heliocentric system in 1741.

this is a system that can be confirmed with observable evidence (i.e. motion of the planets, paralax of the stars, characteristics of venus and mars at different points in the orbit) the laws of gravity demonstrate further that a relatively light object (the earth) cannot be orbited by more massive objects like the sun and outer planets. as well, general relativity demonstrates the curvature of spacetime around the sun and earth and well, the earth doesn't curve it much at all.


and you still haven't answered my question on the verse judge not lest ye be judged found in matthew 7:1 as well as other places in the new testament that i asked on the very first page.

So, are you now saying that the Communion wafer, which you admit is swallowed/allowed to dissolve on the tongue, remains the Body of Christ even beyond this point, and thus contradicting your earlier claim that "The Body of Christ is physically received at Mass, but it is not chewed and swallowed"?

the wafer retains it's outer appearences, however the inner qualities change to the body of christ.

Don't listen to what he says. He's not a member of the real Roman Catholic Church.
Everything regarding Catholic doctrine has been answered with the Roman Catechism, or papal statement behind it. You have answered with nothing but your opinions.

Of course there are elements of paganism in the life of Christ. The ultimate goal of the Messiah was to convert the pagans. Jesus was created not just as a Savior to the Jewish people but the world (the secular world was Roman).

umm... that wasn't me.


i asked about the non-judgementalism advocated by jesus and why it is that those who claim to follow him see fit to judge others.

Care to back that up again?
Back what up again?

Everything regarding Catholic doctrine has been answered with the Roman Catechism, or papal statement behind it. You have answered with nothing but your opinions.

Such as the acceptance of the heliocentric system?

Everything regarding Catholic doctrine has been answered with the Roman Catechism, or papal statement behind it. You have answered with nothing but your opinions.

Don't listen to TT he's not a REAL Catholic.

Back what up again?
Calling Pope John Paul II a heritic.

the wafer retains it's outer appearences, however the inner qualities change to the body of christ.

Yes, I believe that to be the Roman Catholic doctrine, but TT is claiming that the wafer remains the Body of Christ even after it is swallowed


The communion wafer, is however, swallowed/allowed to dissolve on the tongue. At what point does it cease to be the Body of Christ?Never, It is received into the spirit of each of the faithful.


...but earlier claimed that "The Body of Christ is physically received at Mass, but it is not chewed and swallowed".

Thus a contradiction.

Dakini, give it up.
He blatantly doesn't know the answer to your question or he would have answered by now.

i'll nag him until he either gives in or pounds it into him that he's ignoring the commands of his saviour.

i suspect that's why he's not answering in the first place.

Don't listen to TT he's not a REAL Catholic.
But I have used true Catholic sources and you haven't!
You make claims without any root in Catholic doctrine.

umm... that wasn't me.


i asked about the non-judgementalism advocated by jesus and why it is that those who claim to follow him see fit to judge others.

I told TT last night that that is a grave sin because a sinful human is putting himself in the place of Judge(which only God is allowed to do). Again this is a GRAVE sin!

But I have used true Catholic sources and you haven't!
You make claims without any root in Catholic doctrine.

Where in Catholic doctrine does it say that John Paul II is a heretic and not the true Pope?

And the funny part is, God will only accept 144,000 into heaven. Don't you think that number is already filled, out of, say the millions of faithfuls who have alredy died? So, my perspective is that heaven's full, don't bother.

Where in Catholic doctrine does it say that John Paul II is a heretic and not the true Pope?

NO PLACE :rolleyes:

VIVA LA PAPA!
(I mean John Paul II)
DOnt even arhue with this guy. He won't get what you say. He is just flaim baiting.
If youhave questions, come over to my thread.

Nice useless rant, Protestant fool.
but you're a heretic too, probably more so than an anglican.... lol
pope jp2 is an antipope double lol...

i'll nag him until he either gives in or pounds it into him that he's ignoring the commands of his saviour.

i suspect that's why he's not answering in the first place.
Galileo was condemned by Pope Urban VIII. This was never revoked.

but you're a heretic too, probably more so than an anglican.... lol
pope jp2 is an antipope double lol...
Oh yes it is so funny when Christ's Church is under the control of a Polish Jew and communist sympathizer.

And the funny part is, God will only accept 144,000 into heaven. Don't you think that number is already filled, out of, say the millions of faithfuls who have alredy died? So, my perspective is that heaven's full, don't bother.

At the time (the Roman period) that seemed like an infinite number...not only that but I think that number held some sort of symbolism what it is symbolic of I couldn't tell you. That number is no reason to think one won't reach Heaven.

Galileo was condemned by Pope Urban VIII. This was never revoked.
eh?
Either i'm missing the point or Dakini asked about Judge not lest ye be judged?

Oh yes it is so funny when Christ's Church is under the control of a Polish Jew and communist sympathizer.


:mad: TT...YOU ARE NOT CATHOLIC!!!!! :mad: QUIT CLAIMING TO BE!!!

So, are you now saying that the Communion wafer, which you admit is swallowed/allowed to dissolve on the tongue, remains the Body of Christ even beyond this point, and thus contradicting your earlier claim that "The Body of Christ is physically received at Mass, but it is not chewed and swallowed"?
It is absorbed into the body, thus we absorb the body of Christ.

Oh yes it is so funny when Christ's Church is under the control of a Polish Jew and communist sympathizer.
Real Christian of you to make fun of the polish. I AM 25% polish.
And didn't he help bring about the downfall of communism?

Galileo was condemned by Pope Urban VIII. This was never revoked.

that wasn't what that was referring to.

i was referring to this, the first set of questions i asked on this thread:

so what's your stance on the verse "judge not lest ye be judged" which i believe is found in matthew 7:1 and somewhere in luke as well. who give you the authority to judge cherry ridge a bad catholic? who give you the authority to condemn others? et c.

and galileo's remains were moved to a more holy location in the 18th century too... by church officials, just so you know.

Oh yes it is so funny when Christ's Church is under the control of a Polish Jew and communist sympathizer.

So the Roman Catholic Church does not equal Christ's Church (seeing as how you accept JPII as in control of one but not the other)?

Oh yes it is so funny when Christ's Church is under the control of a Polish Jew and communist sympathizer.
The Popes a JEW??? Now, don't you think he might be a Roman Catholic? Just when I thought you'd given up on the stupid posts, you start again. You never fail to astound me.

For all you Novus Ordoists up in you high...uh, Eucharistic tables, please justify the reasoning behind Vatican II and the Novus Ordo Missae. And why the numbers show the unspeakable damage it has ravaged on the Church since then?
Is it an experiment gone wrong or do you honestly believe it had a positive effect?

Oh yes it is so funny when Christ's Church is under the control of a Polish Jew and communist sympathizer.

well from a odinist prospective it kinda is.... hey i didn't know the pope was a jew man zog is big...

eh?
Either i'm missing the point or Dakini asked about Judge not lest ye be judged?

And Copernicus' model of the solar system. Not Galileo.

eh?
Either i'm missing the point or Dakini asked about Judge not lest ye be judged?

no, tt missed the point.

Real Christian of you to make fun of the polish. I AM 25% polish.
And didn't he help bring about the downfall of communism?

I like the Polish people personally(though I myself can't be lucky enough to claim Polish heritage) they have survived successive waves of oppression(the Vandals, Mongols, Germans, Russians) from foreign rulers and have still maintained a national identity.

So the Roman Catholic Church does not equal Christ's Church (seeing as how you accept JPII as in control of one but not the other)?
The Roman Catholic Church is Christ's Church. Karol Wojityla is not the pope but he undeniably has control over the Church.

Sort of like how Bush has control over America, though he is not a rightful ruler.

Jesus is the word.
In the beginningis the word and the word was with God and the word WAS God.


There are several translations I believe to be less misleading that say The begining of creation was the word and the word was with God and the word was a God.

a God because the difinite article is actually missing. Catholics inserted this in the 4th century to support the more recent and may I remind everyone that the Trinity is the primary reason the worlds monotheistic religions call christians who have adopted this false doctrine as, well less than desirable. Our God, the LORD is one LORD.
The Almighty was offended when this twisted doctrine was invented in the 4th century by constantine age councils and he continues to be with the succesion of lies needed to cover the Truth.

I'm 25% Polish too, along with Dutch, British and Israeli.

[QUOTE=Dakini]no, tt missed the point.[/QUOTE


Did you get my answer? :confused: ...I promise I'm a legitimate Catholic.

The pope ad to go to the seminary in secret, because he feared the communists would kill him.
Man, i didnt know th e pope was jewish!
:rollseyes:

The Roman Catholic Church is Christ's Church. Karol Wojityla is not the pope but he undeniably has control over the Church.

From what source does his control come?

Sort of like how Bush has control over America, though he is not a rightful ruler.

Does the US then possess a specific rightful ruler who is not in control?
Same question for your Roman Catholic church?

And Copernicus' model of the solar system. Not Galileo.

i know, but galileo got a lot more flack because he was a sensationalist. i'm sure they didn't appreciate his depiction of the geocentrist spouting the pope's doctrine beign an dummy and the heliocentrist running intellectual circles around him.

copernicus didn't publish his works until close to his death out of fear of the church and someone added an introduction passing his theory off as a cute way of calculating the motions of the planets.

Yes, I believe that to be the Roman Catholic doctrine, but TT is claiming that the wafer remains the Body of Christ even after it is swallowed





...but earlier claimed that "The Body of Christ is physically received at Mass, but it is not chewed and swallowed".

Thus a contradiction.

ok i agree with you, the wafer ceases to exist while Christ's spirit remains within the faithful. what TT said isn't that big of a contradiction certainly not worth all this fuss.

Did you get my answer? :confused: ...I promise I'm a legitimate Catholic.
We believe you but we want to hear TT's response.

I told TT last night that that is a grave sin because a sinful human is putting himself in the place of Judge(which only God is allowed to do). Again this is a GRAVE sin!

did he listen to you?

(sorry i didn't get to htis response sooner, the thread's moving too fast)

I'm 25% Polish too, along with Dutch, British and Israeli.
I am 25% polish, 25% italian and 50% irish.

ok i agree with you, the wafer ceases to exist while Christ's spirit remains within the faithful. what TT said isn't that big of a contradiction certainly not worth all this fuss.

When he is claiming that he is giving "answers actually backed up by Catholic doctrine" it is worth a fuss.

i know, but galileo got a lot more flack because he was a sensationalist. i'm sure they didn't appreciate his depiction of the geocentrist spouting the pope's doctrine beign an dummy and the heliocentrist running intellectual circles around him.

copernicus didn't publish his works until close to his death out of fear of the church and someone added an introduction passing his theory off as a cute way of calculating the motions of the planets.

No, I wasn't saying that. I was just mentioning that you never mentioned Galileo. You asked him about the acceptance of the heliocentric system, not the condemnation of Galileo. He didn't actually answer your question. That's what I meant.

When he is claiming that he is giving "answers actually backed up by Catholic doctrine" it is worth a fuss.

i suppose, im way to tolerant. but he has said worse things than this.

Novus Ordo catholics, none of you have defended Vatican II and the Novus Ordo Missae and its disastrous consequences. Am I to conclude you reject Vatican II?

I am 25% polish, 25% italian and 50% irish.

And you're a Catholic. That's very surprising indeed.

No, I wasn't saying that. I was just mentioning that you never mentioned Galileo. You asked him about the acceptance of the heliocentric system, not the condemnation of Galileo. He didn't actually answer your question. That's what I meant.

right... it's getting so repetitive with him... perhaps i should repeat that question as well as my other until he responds to the question itself.

right... it's getting so repetitive with him... perhaps i should repeat that question as well as my other until he responds to the question itself.

I wouldn't bother.

Look, the wafer DISSOLVES, it doesn't magically disappear, the remains are absorbed by the worshipper's body - that's the point of the communion - we symbolically absorb the body of Christ.

did he listen to you?

(sorry i didn't get to htis response sooner, the thread's moving too fast)

Of course not, because he's NOT really a Catholic...seriously.

Novus Ordo catholics, none of you have defended Vatican II and the Novus Ordo Missae and its disastrous consequences. Am I to conclude you reject Vatican II?

you haven't defended the geocentric system agains scientific evidence. am i to conclude that you accept heliocentricity?

And you're a Catholic. That's very surprising indeed.
I'm assuming that was sarcassim.
Those are some of the most Catholic countries on earth.

Of course not, because he's NOT really a Catholic...seriously.

i know.

it would be nice if he knew it though.

When he is claiming that he is giving "answers actually backed up by Catholic doctrine" it is worth a fuss.

Yes, but it's pre-Vatican II doctrine...the Church has reformed...and its for the better that is has.

i am stating facts.

the catholic church accepted the heliocentric system in 1741.

this is a system that can be confirmed with observable evidence (i.e. motion of the planets, paralax of the stars, characteristics of venus and mars at different points in the orbit) the laws of gravity demonstrate further that a relatively light object (the earth) cannot be orbited by more massive objects like the sun and outer planets. as well, general relativity demonstrates the curvature of spacetime around the sun and earth and well, the earth doesn't curve it much at all.


and you still haven't answered my question on the verse judge not lest ye be judged found in matthew 7:1 as well as other places in the new testament that i asked on the very first page.

this has all the things ignored by tt rolled into one. hooray for convenience!

It's difficult to ascertain exactly where he stands - his utterances are all over the place - maybe if we could have a basic outline of where you stand, TT...

Yes, and what country is TT from? I would guess English :confused: ...

Yes, and what country is TT from?
The Vatican:)

The Vatican:)

Yeesh! Let's certainly hope not! :p

I'm assuming that was sarcassim.
Those are some of the most Catholic countries on earth.

You would assume correctly. Sorry, I guess I should have used [/sarcasm].

Bad news guys,
TT is creating another thread of something in General.

Bad news guys,
TT is creating another thread of something in General.

This guy has got to stopped...I wonder if one of the moderators would be willing to kick him off for good...I mean he's always making ethnic slurs and saying offensive things. Down with TT! :sniper:

So, yes, as many people have stated, you're getting a skewed view from TT of the Church on this thread. Way back when, I remember someone stating that the Church was just a covered up pagan religion, to that I respond. The seach for Truth has been part of humna existence from the dawn of time. Eventually people, regrdless of what the belived, came upon some truths. If you belive the Church to be the one, true, complete Church, then it is only natural for it to contain the true elements from other relgions, even if they were pagan. Like it or not, everyone is created by God and has an innate since of Him, thus anything that is pagan is not necessairly wrong, just misguided; there us Truthe everywhere and you can't ignore it.

TT is not a true Roman Catholic, so says the spider.


</south park>

God loves everyone.

If you "eat Jesus," then are you are not Catholic.
The Body of Christ is physically received at Mass, but it is not chewed and swallowed like some Jew eating Hebrew National.

You swallow, don't you? You just don't chew. I think that counts as "eating".

Or do you not "eat" soup?

"Oy vey! Why are schmucks like you always posting schlock on this forum?"



That isn't even Yiddish, so if you don't know it, don't speak it.

There is only ONE INSPIRED BIBLE TRANSLATION, the LATIN VULGATE!
This has been repeatedly asserted in several places, including a separate thread for that topic.


Actually, the first translated bible was in Greek

If you "eat Jesus," then are you are not Catholic.
The Body of Christ is physically received at Mass, but it is not chewed and swallowed like some Jew eating Hebrew National.


I understand people who have some views of their own on things, but if you start with racist or anti-jewish remarks, i'll do the same with you.(actually report to a mod first, then if nothing is done, also post anti TT remarks.)