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well what do you have to say

It depends are you a racist?

It depends are you a racist?
i am a racelist

why are you rassist?

racelist o_0

No, but it makes me ready my whacking stick for when you say or do something vile and wrong. But I judge by actions and whatever your name, I dont know what you are actually like until you actually show me.

Smart man

I actually tend to post more to racists and Nazis because they have the lowest intellect and the stupidest points so it's a nice easy debate. (present company excepted.)

I actually tend to post more to racists and Nazis because they have the lowest intellect and the stupidest points so it's a nice easy debate. (present company excepted.)
now thats a sterio type
i work in nuclear power

now thats a sterio type
i work in nuclear power
I said "present company excepted"

Then maybe you'll die young ;)

My sources are Tenete Traditiones and Decisive Action.

die young ha
only from my lifestyle

My sources are Tenete Traditiones and Decisive Action.
well some people are missing a thought to mouth/fingers interlock

die young ha
only from my lifestyle
why are you rassist...?

why are you rassist...?
whats that got to do with it
i like to eat every thing the docters say not to
fast food, greesy food, ect...

I actually tend to post more to racists and Nazis because they have the lowest intellect and the stupidest points so it's a nice easy debate. (present company excepted.)
there have been a few genius nazi's, like Hitler.

A lot of people see minorities as a good scapegoat, these are stupid, as getting rid of them will not alleviate problems.

Therefore, a lot of nazis have to be stupid to buy into nazism as a cure for their problems.

Though like I said, some live by the twisted ideology that us white people are somehow better.

Your not the first Nazi to post here. You won't be the last.

Call it a prejudice of mine, but I really dislike nazis and racists.

now thats a sterio type
i work in nuclear power

Your choice of name would make me suspect that you are a racist, and therefore poorly educated.

Your spelling and grammar would confirm that original suspicion.

Your attempt to establish otherwise by a "work in nuclear power" claim, however, is most amusing.

Homer Simpson "works in nuclear power", but is generally not regarded as being of high intellect.

whats that got to do with it
i like to eat every thing the docters say not to
fast food, greesy food, ect...
i asked that before, but you didn't answer

I don't get Racists...whats the deal...I live in Australia, and we are a huge multicultural society, here it dosn't matter where your from or who you are, we just accept it. So growing up in this kind of enviornment really makes me wonder whats in their heads...

Your choice of name would make me suspect that you are a racist, and therefore poorly educated.

Your spelling and grammar would confirm that original suspicion.

Your attempt to establish otherwise by a "work in nuclear power" claim, however, is most amusing.

Homer Simpson "works in nuclear power", but is generally not regarded as being of high intellect.
my spelling and grammer is a result of having adhd as a kid i liked math and science but not reading and spelling therfore i ruinned my prity little mind

my spelling and grammer is a result of having adhd as a kid i liked math and science but not reading and spelling therfore i ruinned my prity little mind

What a shame you learned so little science, and avoided history and ethics altogether.

I don't get Racists...whats the deal...I live in Australia, and we are a huge multicultural society, here it dosn't matter where your from or who you are, we just accept it. So growing up in this kind of enviornment really makes me wonder whats in their heads...
I'm a Jew and I lived in a city split between the Pakistani and the Indian population. The Pakistani population had been built up around our synagogue (don't ask why:)) and every so often they'd break windowsetc... I still don't understand their heads and I lived in a city full of them.

Your choice of name would make me suspect that you are a racist, and therefore poorly educated.

Your spelling and grammar would confirm that original suspicion.

Your attempt to establish otherwise by a "work in nuclear power" claim, however, is most amusing.

Homer Simpson "works in nuclear power", but is generally not regarded as being of high intellect.

You beat me to the Homer Simpson analogy!

(PS - Not Jewish)

I'm a Jew and I lived in a city split between the Pakistani and the Indian population. The Pakistani population had been built up around our synagogue (don't ask why:)) and every so often they'd break windowsetc... I still don't understand their heads and I lived in a city full of them.

Racists just Disgust me

Racists just Disgust me
Unfortunately (and G-D knows how) they actually believe what they're doing is right!

You name really doesn't deter me from posting - I just post something just short of flaming the poster's name if I don't like his 1st post

People are racists cause people are racist to them. Or because theyre, as far as I can tell, idiots (to use a stereotype). Alot of racists like to think they challenge stereotypes of racists, (Intelligent, etc) even though the basis for their hatred is, in itself, a stereotype. Skin colour and ethnicity is barely a basis for the individual. A persons upbringing does change according to these factors, but again their opinions of others (and others opinions of them) are shaped by the prejudices of the past generations, and other such poisonous influences. You understand my point? Evil breeds evil to be slightly pretentious.

Seeing a name like yours makes people post. Many people, myself included, are loathe to tolerate the hateful rhetoric often posted by such people. But your opinion is your own, and sadly it is shared by many others, and must be considered even if it sickens me to do so. (having just taken the moral high ground, I invite someone to knock me off it. I dont like the view from up here).

And you work in nuclear power? a) May god, buddha or anything (we're gonna need all the help we can get) have mercy on us all.
and b) Perhaps there is something in those knee-jerk stereotypes then...

Seeing a name like yours makes people post. Many people, myself included, are loathe to tolerate the hateful rhetoric often posted by such people. But your opinion is your own, and sadly it is shared by many others, and must be considered even if it sickens me to do so. (having just taken the moral high ground, I invite someone to knock me off it. I dont like the view from up here).
I know what you mean - sometimes taking the moral high grounds makes you feel like there are chains strapped to you which go taught just as you're about to unleash hell upon racists.

BTW, if you haven't met Tenete Traditiones or Decisive Action (2 posters here), then you're in for one hell of a shock from their racy posts

Oh, and he asked "Why are you rassist?" (why are you racist?), not what your dietary habits are. Any answer to the actual question?

well what do you have to say
no, seeing a racist name doesn't scare me away. i feel the same about racists as i do about religious persons, and i see so many religious persons and religious names that it forces me to learn to mellow out and control myself.

Unfortunately (and G-D knows how) they actually believe what they're doing is right!
well, since the Bible specifically orders people to be racists, i think it's pretty easy to see how they'd end up that way...i mean, the culture that produces racists in America is essentially the same culture that produces uber-Christians, so the overlap isn't surprising.

What bible are you reading...Jesus wasn't white.

What bible are you reading...Jesus wasn't white.
to be fair, you can't prove that...nowhere in the Bible does it say he WASN'T, and if God could magically impregnate a virgin then i am sure he could remove a little pigmentation from the skin of the resulting child. but even setting that aside:

i'm reading the Bible that forbids mixed-race people to even enter a church. the one with detailed chronicles of how the rape and murder of other cultures and races is rewarded by God. you can say "it's all about the context" or "that's the human authors' bias," but you can't claim it's not there. the Bible is intensely racists in many places, so it is easy to see where racists would evolve from Christian doctrine.

Well he was an israelite wasn't he...most people in those areas are darker due to the climate...My asumption is he and his followers would of been dark too.

And yeah God can be hard on Non-belivers

Well he was an israelite wasn't he...most people in those areas are darker due to the climate...My asumption is he and his followers would of been dark too.

if God followed the rules of logic then you might be able to make that assumption. but God broke laws of human reproduction to bring Jesus into existence, so how could you possibly assume anything about Jesus' physiological make up?


And yeah God can be hard on Non-belivers

are you serious? God's much worse toward believers! ever read about a chap name Job? or what about Jesus himself?! how about that 40 years of wandering for His people? sure, God encourages his faithful to attack and murder non-believers, but at least that's a relatively quick end...have you read about the stuff He does to the people who follow His word?!

Your choice of name would make me suspect that you are a racist, and therefore poorly educated.

Your spelling and grammar would confirm that original suspicion.

Your attempt to establish otherwise by a "work in nuclear power" claim, however, is most amusing.

Homer Simpson "works in nuclear power", but is generally not regarded as being of high intellect.

OMG he IS Homer!!! :eek: Homer Simpson is a RACIST???

...does Carl Carlson know? :confused:

to be fair, you can't prove that...nowhere in the Bible does it say he WASN'T, and if God could magically impregnate a virgin then i am sure he could remove a little pigmentation from the skin of the resulting child. but even setting that aside:

i'm reading the Bible that forbids mixed-race people to even enter a church. the one with detailed chronicles of how the rape and murder of other cultures and races is rewarded by God. you can say "it's all about the context" or "that's the human authors' bias," but you can't claim it's not there. the Bible is intensely racists in many places, so it is easy to see where racists would evolve from Christian doctrine.

yeah, but poeople would notice a white man wondering round. There would be some sort of mention of it in the bible if he did have magically white skin. The disciples werent white either.

God isnt hard on non belivers, or I dont belive so, as long as they lived the best life they can, they will get a better treatment than the belivers who look down on non belivers. I mean there are so many religions and sub parts and just one cant be right, or by having someone born somewhere they dont get the right religoen is effectively giving them no chance.

Therefore if there is a god, it would judge on how you act and how you feel about those actions, not whether you took time to kiss his backside. Anyone can pray, but it takes a good person to consider others and to feel remorse.

If were being illogical... JESUS WAS A NATIVE AMERICAN :P. In reply to the origional poster HELL no it doesn't scare me away. Their posts are usually fairly amusing and they tend to get cranky and defencive as soon as you poke a hole in their logic.

if God followed the rules of logic then you might be able to make that assumption. but God broke laws of human reproduction to bring Jesus into existence, so how could you possibly assume anything about Jesus' physiological make up?

. . .



Actually, Jesus had to be born of the seed of David to be the Messiah, so he had to be Joseph's biological son. (Apart from having no "seed", Mary was an Aaronite, not a descendent of David.) This does not refute the biblical account in any way, which does not say that Mary was impregnated by the Holy Spirit, only that it "overshadowed" her and made it possible for her to be pregnent while still a virgin. Know what else makes it possible? Digital-penile-digital-vaginal manipulation. Yup, that's right. If a woman ****s a guy off and then fingers her own ****, she can get pregnent without ever having coital sex. They were betrothed, so that was not improper - only since Mary was an Aronite they could not fuck until the full ceremony with the hoopa (curtained bed) and witnesses was performed.



ORIGINAL POSTER: If my username was "BlkStud4whtgrlz", would you be offended? ;) Please say "yes" ...I want to try it out.

i am a racelist

I hear they have a cream for that.

Oh, the Bible does not teach people to be racist - it teaches them to be religionist. All those "no mixing" laws were about people who followed "strange gods".

ORIGINAL POSTER: If my username was "BlkStud4whtgrlz", would you be offended? ;) Please say "yes" ...I want to try it out.

I wouldnt think a lot of someone who used that name in a non ironic sense. But just because of "Stud4grlz"

ones name means little
ones posts say it all
i do get bored with incessant stupid talk by white supremicist wannabes.
i seldom believe that they are that way in real life, they are just here to yank some chains and get off on the attention they get for it.
thats a prime example of being PATHETIC.

i stated this be couse it seems to me if i post in another thread like the one about vidio games it takes a long time before some one else posts

i am a racelist

God can anyone spell racist? No doesn't scare me, I hate Nazis, but you don't scare me. Plus I like to bait Nazis, so in a way it encourages me.

Woohoo! another nazi to play with! Where beekers brigade when you need it?

I guess seeing a Nazi doesn't cause me not to post.

just trying to make the world a better place for when i have kids

and that kind of thing is the queue.

Better place for your kids. Why? How?

I mean what is actually wrong with other races? Go on. Bring your lamest excuses. I mean best arguements.

and that kind of thing is the queue.

Better place for your kids. Why? How?

I mean what is actually wrong with other races? Go on. Bring your lamest excuses. I mean best arguements.
well the way they have degenerated socity
the fact that when i call the cell phone company i have to press 2 for english
the fact i cant go out to McD's and get a number 1 with out saying uno

is this a good start

'Cause you know, all white people are of English birth, and English is their first language. I'm sure the French, German, Danish, Swedish, Norse, etc., 'white' people think that way too...

now thats a sterio type
i work in nuclear power

*is concerned*

unless you're one of those people who are smart but just can't spell...

so long as you don't work near me.

just trying to make the world a better place for when i have kids

wouldn't that entail helping get rid of hatred of people arbitrarily based solely on their exterior?

*is concerned*

unless you're one of those people who are smart but just can't spell...

so long as you don't work near me.
people say i'm smart
i dont like to think that
and your right i just cant spell
where are you and i'll tell you if i'm near

wouldn't that entail helping get rid of hatred of people arbitrarily based solely on their exterior?
hatred like that is brought on by enviroment therefor if if the world gets fixed right it won't be there no more and i kill two birds with one stone

'Cause you know, all white people are of English birth, and English is their first language. I'm sure the French, German, Danish, Swedish, Norse, etc., 'white' people think that way too...
i'm in the us and when i here a language other then spanish such as the ones above i'm happy
and if the person needs some help i try to help

now thats a sterio type
i work in nuclear power

Homer Simpson works in nuclear power. Perhaps you're not incredibly stupid, just dyslexic. You're a race list? Like the running order for the kentucky derby?

Oh I see, you mean "racialist" ? Well, being dyslexic wouldn't explain that. You must just be incredibly stupid.

well the way they have degenerated socity
the fact that when i call the cell phone company i have to press 2 for english
the fact i cant go out to McD's and get a number 1 with out saying uno

is this a good start

No. I don't think that your inability to cope with the fact that you live in a place where you are outnumbered by spanish speakers is a good reason to be racist. It's a good reason to learn spanish. Or if you're a total dick, you could always move. Incidentally, spanish is from "spain" which is a white european country.

I hope that a very tall and muscular black shemale takes a shine to you.

i stated this be couse it seems to me if i post in another thread like the one about vidio games it takes a long time before some one else posts

I would like you to post in as many threads as possible. I've never heard a better argument for the superiority of the white race than your ingnorant paranoid stupidity and bitterness.

I don't get Racists...whats the deal...I live in Australia, and we are a huge multicultural society, here it dosn't matter where your from or who you are, we just accept it. So growing up in this kind of enviornment really makes me wonder whats in their heads...

Excuse me?!?!

Do you know what your country did to the aborigines?

Australia by no means has clean hands when it comes to racism.
Craig

now thats a sterio type
i work in nuclear power

What the hell......?

Despite your terrible typing skills and bad grammer...........I still despise Nazis! Where, pray tell, do you work, and what is your job description? Because I'm sure that whoever hired you is underqaulified, and quite stupid.

And why are you a racist again? The only reason you gave was what food you eat......

Ah, and Kiwicrog-What the British did to aborigines has passed; that was a long time ago. Shiff is obiously referring to the here and now.

well what do you have to say

Yaaay! A stupid Nazi! It doesn't get any better than this... :)

You just keep posting, old son - every time you do you're a walking advert for multiculturalism.
:fluffle:

As for the question, I don't avoid posts like yours, but I find that few racists individuals have any good points or subjects that I would willingly join in discussion anyway. That and I don't scout these boards, I have too many message boards that I go to as is and I don't need another one.

Anyone who is intelligent and still sees the 'superiority' of one breed of humanity over another is either ignoring some form of evidence that disagrees with their world view or is so obsessed with this idealized version of their particular breed (be it white, black, hispanic, inuit, or other) that they cannot make conherent sentances about this subject without fall into a raving and rambling post.

Otherwise, I do not intentionally avoid posting in such threads, be they started by racists or just recently posted to by them.

EDIT: And those who are NOT racist would do well not to post flames here, you are just inciting him. Geez, you make non-racist look like idiots and hypocrits the way you people post.

EDIT2: Removed a slightly disparaging word.

EDIT3: The word was 'moron' and it was refering to those who post flames here attacking the racist for being what he is.

i will respond later
right now i have to go to work

And those who are NOT racist would do well not to post flames here, you are just inciting him. Geez, you make non-racist look like idiots and hypocrits the way you morons post.

Did you just say "stop flaming you morons, you make yourselves look like hypocrites"?

Congratulations, that's the second dumbest thing in this dumb thread.

EDIT2: Removed a slightly disparaging word.

Luckily i had the time to quote it before you removed it. But at least you noticed what you did.

Yes I did say morons. But I realized the error of that assesment and took steps to rectify my mistake. If you wish, I can always mention the word I removed from my post. Would that make you happy?

No, I'm not discouraged from posting due to a name with a certain connotation. I pick what I post due to the actual thread and topic. What does discourage me are threads meant to bait and flame under a socially well known scapegoat.

For me, there's as much to learn from Nazism as there is from Communism or Liberalism, and not just to 'oppose' it because it's fiatly somehow "wrong." All systems of human social organization can ultimately be broken down to being purely existential.

I appreciate prejudice more than equality, but appreciate the methods of equality more than the methods to prejudice. At least prejudice as a goal tries to mold & engineer something to some specific ends, all equality as a goal does it defeat the purpose to anything having it's own innate volition. At least the organizations of equality try to encompass uneven factors of nature, all the methods for prejudice do are ignore or exclude them. You have to define yourself along certain prejudices to discern your way through life, but the best way to do that is to encompass them within a complete reasoning for every factor.

I personally like Nazis, historically at least, but do so without valuating them. They were quite vitalistic, yet inflexible. I don't need to put a value to their actions to admire the form, content, representations and far-reaching goals of their own internal understanding of their purpose.

As for the question, I don't avoid posts like yours, but I find that few racists individuals have any good points or subjects that I would willingly join in discussion anyway. That and I don't scout these boards, I have too many message boards that I go to as is and I don't need another one.

You think that this is stupid and pointless, which is why you decided to post to it. Okaaaaay.

Anyone who is intelligent and still sees the 'superiority' of one breed of humanity over another is either ignoring some form of evidence that disagrees with their world view or is so obsessed with this idealized version of their particular breed (be it white, black, hispanic, inuit, or other) that they cannot make conherent sentances about this subject without fall into a raving and rambling post.

Disagree. United White Front has made it clear that in his case it stems mostly from fear of difference and/or change [in his case mostly of Hispanics] and a feeling that his own culture is being 'drowned out' or in some way diluted by someone else's. This is often accompanied by fears that 'they' are somehow benefiting from society more than he is [here in the UK it is often based around perceived access to welfare, ignoring the fact that it is precisely because 'they' are often the most marginalised that they tend to need the access]. Large scale migrations do bring with them inevitable social frictions. I'm not saying this is a good thing [I'm married to an immigrant BTW], but it happens. Fortunately, most people, once they get used to the situation, realise that their fears were baseless or overblown all along. But it can take a generation.
I don't think that this is necessarily connected with your definition, which I would call 'classic' racism, ie the actual belief in the physical, intellectual and moral superiority of one particular branch of humanity, which is largely on the wane. Of course, I may be wrong.
Mind you, racism is a subtle beastie and often rears its heads in unlikely situations [eg overpopulation - where lefties suddenly find themselves espousing racist positions, of the 'just enough of us, way too many of you' type].


EDIT: And those who are NOT racist would do well not to post flames here, you are just inciting him. Geez, you make non-racist look like idiots and hypocrits the way you people post.
EDIT2: Removed a slightly disparaging word.
EDIT3: The word was 'moron' and it was refering to those who post flames here attacking the racist for being what he is.

But racist-baiting is fun!
And yes, flaming people for flaming was a touch ironic.

But racist-baiting is fun!
And yes, flaming people for flaming was a touch ironic.

Not to mention hypocritical.

And flaming people for flaming by saying that it makes them look like hypocrites is beautiful.

What the hell......?

Despite your terrible typing skills and bad grammer...........I still despise Nazis! Where, pray tell, do you work, and what is your job description? Because I'm sure that whoever hired you is underqaulified, and quite stupid.

And why are you a racist again? The only reason you gave was what food you eat......

Ah, and Kiwicrog-What the British did to aborigines has passed; that was a long time ago. Shiff is obiously referring to the here and now.
us navy

No, it doesn't keep me from posting, in fact it encourages me to. Why anyone would want to be part or pretend to be part of an organization that brutally murdered 6 million people is beyond me, but hey, free speech.

By the way, United White Front, YOU CAN KISS MY BIG JEWISH ASS!

YEAH! I'M JEWISH! AND PROUD! AND I HAVE AN ASS! AND YOU ARE NEVER, BELIEVE ME, EVER GOING TO CHANGE THAT! NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU PRAY TO GOD FOR ME TO BURN IN HELL WITH ALL THE SINNERS, I WILL NEVER STOP BEING A JEW! SAY ALL YOU WANT, I'M NOT GOING TO HIDE. AND IF YOU WANT TO CONGREGATE IN YOUR LITTLE FARMHOUSES BEHIND MY BACK AND SAY HOW I HAVE DEVIL HORNS AND A BIG NOSE AND LOTS OF MONEY, YOU DO THAT. I'D RATHER YOU SAY IT TO MY FACE SO I COULD LAUGH OUT LOUD.

I don't get Racists...whats the deal...I live in Australia, and we are a huge multicultural society, here it dosn't matter where your from or who you are, we just accept it. So growing up in this kind of enviornment really makes me wonder whats in their heads...

Now, perhaps, but not always in your history... and I am given to understand that people have been and remain a bit nervous over Indochina... (this from a colleague of mine who is from Australia).

to be fair, you can't prove that...nowhere in the Bible does it say he WASN'T, and if God could magically impregnate a virgin then i am sure he could remove a little pigmentation from the skin of the resulting child. but even setting that aside:

i'm reading the Bible that forbids mixed-race people to even enter a church. the one with detailed chronicles of how the rape and murder of other cultures and races is rewarded by God. you can say "it's all about the context" or "that's the human authors' bias," but you can't claim it's not there. the Bible is intensely racists in many places, so it is easy to see where racists would evolve from Christian doctrine.

To be fair, it's not just the Bible, Bottle... there are literally millions of people who've never read it who hate just fine without it... look at the Middle East, for example... then Asia... then Africa.... perhaps Antarctica is the only continent on Earth that doesn't have some group hating another...

A strange poll...your "racialist" name does not make me any less likely to post.

I just tend to ignore what you have to say, that's all.

God's much worse toward believers! ever read about a chap name Job? or what about Jesus himself?! how about that 40 years of wandering for His people?

This would seem to indicate you're confusing Jesus with Moses....

now thats a sterio type
i work in nuclear power


Are you a janitor?

Sorry but somone who can spell neither "racist" nor "stereo" is not a nuclear technician.

What, pray tell, do you do? Please, give specifics. And I mean as many as you can think of.

And please don't snowjob me, I assure you that unless you have a Master's degree or higher, I already know more than you do. And, if you do, say, have a Ph. D. in nuclear physics, I'll still be able to keep up.

Really, I've come across quite a few liars pretending to be engineers or physicists. It's usually pretty self-evident which they are.

Are you a janitor?

Sorry but somone who can spell neither "racist" nor "stereo" is not a nuclear technician.
no a electrician's mate third class

Oh, I see.
Don't say you work in nuclear power, then. That's like my cousin saying he works in solid-fuel rocketry because he shoots off fireworks.

I agree with Caelisia. An "electrician's mate third class" is hardly a Nuclear technician.

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/blnukeschool.htm
read it em is one of three nuke rates

How impressive. But let's ignore the recruitment propaganda and take a look at your job functions, keeping in mind your rate is the first one shown.

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/navyjobs/blemn.htm

I'm not saying your job isn't difficult at all. I'm just saying it's not actually nuclear science, and it's misleading to represent it as such. It is, after all, the lowest-ranking job you can have associated with nuclear energy and still be called so much as an electrician.

No, it doesn't keep me from posting, in fact it encourages me to. Why anyone would want to be part or pretend to be part of an organization that brutally murdered 6 million people is beyond me, but hey, free speech.

By the way, United White Front, YOU CAN KISS MY BIG JEWISH ASS!

YEAH! I'M JEWISH! AND PROUD! AND I HAVE AN ASS! AND YOU ARE NEVER, BELIEVE ME, EVER GOING TO CHANGE THAT! NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU PRAY TO GOD FOR ME TO BURN IN HELL WITH ALL THE SINNERS, I WILL NEVER STOP BEING A JEW! SAY ALL YOU WANT, I'M NOT GOING TO HIDE. AND IF YOU WANT TO CONGREGATE IN YOUR LITTLE FARMHOUSES BEHIND MY BACK AND SAY HOW I HAVE DEVIL HORNS AND A BIG NOSE AND LOTS OF MONEY, YOU DO THAT. I'D RATHER YOU SAY IT TO MY FACE SO I COULD LAUGH OUT LOUD.

Indiru, flaming is NOT APPROPRIATE. Find another way to make your point.

and there are other things to consider
i do alot more then that you have to rember classafided
also em nuke is an undermanned rate which means em3 and em2 do the same thing also becouse at 2 years you can chose to star reenlist and get em2

I don't deny it, and I salute you for your work. You have an integral role in our armed forces, and one that is often underappreciated in the public eye.

I'm just saying, as I said before, that I believe you were slightly misrepresenting yourself in an effort to justify your moderately shocking positions to an unreceptive public.

Also, on a different note, names such as yours actually draw me to the thread. I've seen quite a few flamewars and discussions, and names indicating a radical viewpoint often indicate a more interesting thread.

i dont believe i misrepresented any thing i recieve the same training that the other three rates do when it come to theroy, radcon, and chem.

and thankyou for the conversation

Indiru, flaming is NOT APPROPRIATE. Find another way to make your point.
is that a warning??

To be honest, yes, usually.

It puts me off, especially if the post is about jews and full of rhetoric and number slogans etc...

If it is an intelligent post within another thread, well, that's fine.

Indiru, flaming is NOT APPROPRIATE. Find another way to make your point.

Sorry, but these things make me so MAD...

Sorry, but these things make me so MAD...

Personally, I don't blame you.

you should read, hes only backwards and ignorant towards Hispanics.

I never did see why they are bad, or their culture is inferior to his....

you should read, hes only backwards and ignorant towards Hispanics.

I never did see why they are bad, or their culture is inferior to his....
they are just good examples and right now one of the countrys biggest threats

they are just good examples and right now one of the countrys biggest threats

Oh yeah, burritos are going to kill us all. :sniper:

Oh yeah, burritos are going to kill us all. :sniper:
no but they breed and enter the country illeagle at a rate that will cause the white man to be a minority

no but they breed and enter the country illeagle at a rate that will cause the white man to be a minority

I don't really see a point to argue with you, because it's kind of arguing with a doorknob but I am still obligated to answer this.

Is it bad that the "white man" become a minority? Why do we need to classify people like this? We're all stupid, greedy PEOPLE.

Does seeing a racist who can't even use capital letters or punctuation "debating" on the General forum make you not post?

Whats actually wrong with white people becoming a minority. Any other skin colour are still people. As long as everyone is happy who cares what skin colour they are? What actual difference does it make?

Oh and being labelled a major threat to your nation has just made my weekend. :D

Still no awnser? Any reason? Anything that is actually wrong with hispanic people?

Im loving this. Honestly, I was depressed and dejected all weekend, I havent felt worse in a year, and now Im really happy and proud!

No it doesn't stop me.

Is it others' skin color you hate, or just their cultures?

Whats actually wrong with white people becoming a minority. Any other skin colour are still people. As long as everyone is happy who cares what skin colour they are? What actual difference does it make?

Oh and being labelled a major threat to your nation has just made my weekend. :D

Still no awnser? Any reason? Anything that is actually wrong with hispanic people?

Im loving this. Honestly, I was depressed and dejected all weekend, I havent felt worse in a year, and now Im really happy and proud!
why should i be the minority
why sould i have to learn another way to speek
why should my people be brain washed in to thinking its wrong to be white
yes there is stuff wrong with hispanics they're invaiding the us

why should i be the minority
why sould i have to learn another way to speek
why should my people be brain washed in to thinking its wrong to be white
yes there is stuff wrong with hispanics they're invaiding the us

Well you should learn another way to speak/spell because right now, NOONE can understand what you're saying.

Your people? Since when are people brain washed into thinking it's wrong to be white? If anything, it's the opposite.

And hispanics are invading the US? Geez...you need some perspective. Your ancestors were immigrants too. You wouldn't even be here if they didn't "invade" the US. Well, actually, your ancestors, (I'm guessing the English) DID invade Native American territory. That's the pot calling the kettle black.

now thats a sterio type
i work in nuclear power
so does homer simpson...

so does homer simpson...
read the tread this has been gone over at least twice

What's the difference between "racist" and "racialist"?

Is "racialist" just the PC term, cause if it is, that's fucking hilarious.

Well you should learn another way to speak/spell because right now, NOONE can understand what you're saying.

Your people? Since when are people brain washed into thinking it's wrong to be white? If anything, it's the opposite.

And hispanics are invading the US? Geez...you need some perspective. Your ancestors were immigrants too. You wouldn't even be here if they didn't "invade" the US. Well, actually, your ancestors, (I'm guessing the English) DID invade Native American territory. That's the pot calling the kettle black.
this thread is going way off topic now if you want to have a conversation like this start a new thread

No I just think its a spelling error!

this thread is going way off topic now if you want to have a conversation like this start a new thread

Nice avoidance mechanism.

"dose seeing a nazi/white nationalist name in the recint post keep you from posting"
No, it makes me want to kick you in the nuts for not knowing how to spell DOES!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for your excellent representation of the White Race.

"dose seeing a nazi/white nationalist name in the recint post keep you from posting"
No, it makes me want to kick you in the nuts for not knowing how to spell DOES!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for your excellent representation of the White Race.
small spelling error
and i dont mean this thread i mean any thread as it seems that its going strong and right after i post it dies off for a bit

An error you made twice.
It speaks a alot about your character, if are choosing to be a bastion of WhiteRIght you should carry yourself better.

small spelling error
and i dont mean this thread i mean any thread as it seems that its going strong and right after i post it dies off for a bit

Have you ever considered that maybe it's not your name...

I'm still wondering, what's the difference between "racist" and "racialist"?

I read some of the "racialist" literature on one of those aryan nation links you provided (in large red letters). Besides seeming like it was written by a 12 year old, it repeatedly referred to black people as "niggers" and "stupid dirty apes".

Why call it "racialist"? That's just some new politically correct term invented by you good ole white boys. Which is funny cause you also profess to be anti-poltical correctness.

Just admit you're racist, and then we can ignore you from there.

why should i be the minority
why sould i have to learn another way to speek
why should my people be brain washed in to thinking its wrong to be white
yes there is stuff wrong with hispanics they're invaiding the us
you are in the minority because you hold views that cognizant people recognize as logically inconsistent.

you should have to learn another way to speak because you are barely understandable as it is. you should master the English language as soon as possible, if you intend to try to communicate in English.

i don't see any reason why "your people" should be brainwashed into thinking it is wrong to be white. i also don't see anybody proposing that such brainwashing take place.

the fact that hispanics are "invading" the US does not itself necessarily constitute something being wrong with them. what is wrong with hispanics, in your mind?

Im brown man, i dont fuking care. Do what the hell you want with yourself.

It certainly dosen't hold me back from posting, but it sure holds me back from granting the usual respect I try to show people as I first "meet" them.

There is no excuse for bigotry.

Have you ever considered that maybe it's not your name...
dosn't happen when i use other nations of mine

you are in the minority because you hold views that cognizant people recognize as logically inconsistent.

you should have to learn another way to speak because you are barely understandable as it is. you should master the English language as soon as possible, if you intend to try to communicate in English.

i don't see any reason why "your people" should be brainwashed into thinking it is wrong to be white. i also don't see anybody proposing that such brainwashing take place.

the fact that hispanics are "invading" the US does not itself necessarily constitute something being wrong with them. what is wrong with hispanics, in your mind?
as i have stated if peoplewant to continue this line of talk start a new thread and tg me

What's the difference between "racist" and "racialist"?

Is "racialist" just the PC term, cause if it is, that's fucking hilarious.

"Racialist" is the original word, as you may find if you have a few really old dictionaries to examine. It is meant as a word to describe someone with the belief that significant behavioural characteristics can be determined by skin colour, or race. Over the decades it changed to "Racist", and now the only people who use the old term are trolls looking for fish, and hidebound nutters who want the South to rise again.

as i have stated if peoplewant to continue this line of talk start a new thread and tg me

S/he was responding to your own post, genius.

S/he was responding to your own post, genius.
well that person should have read previces posts

well what do you have to sayActually names like yours usually make me want to post. Schmucks like you are so much fun to poke fun at, especially one that spells as bad as you. But since it's late and you're nothing more than a troll without any real issue to pick apart, I think I'd rather sleep. I'll rip you a new one some other time. Have fun.

How on earth would a name like yours affect me? :confused: BAH!

no, but that spelling does.

No. Cos I am tolerant of your views no matter how stupid and hateful they are. I just live with the consolation that at the end of the day, I am right and you are wrong. Do I feel guilty? Bollocks do I!

United White Front, do you know any black people?

I mean this in the least hostile way possible. :)

Does it make you sad that you are chumming an electrician, in a third class way of course, in defence of lots of black and hispanic people?

Who are "your people"? I'm white, and I am definitely not your people. If you came near my people talking like you do, you would get a hiding.

I'm divided. On the one hand it's fun to dismantle an ignorant/racist/sexist person's 'arguments', but on the other hand it's immensely frustrating as they refuse to see reason and also make me despair about the state of humanity.

:confused:

You think that this is stupid and pointless, which is why you decided to post to it. Okaaaaay.



Disagree. United White Front has made it clear that in his case it stems mostly from fear of difference and/or change [in his case mostly of Hispanics] and a feeling that his own culture is being 'drowned out' or in some way diluted by someone else's. This is often accompanied by fears that 'they' are somehow benefiting from society more than he is [here in the UK it is often based around perceived access to welfare, ignoring the fact that it is precisely because 'they' are often the most marginalised that they tend to need the access]. Large scale migrations do bring with them inevitable social frictions. I'm not saying this is a good thing [I'm married to an immigrant BTW], but it happens. Fortunately, most people, once they get used to the situation, realise that their fears were baseless or overblown all along. But it can take a generation.
I don't think that this is necessarily connected with your definition, which I would call 'classic' racism, ie the actual belief in the physical, intellectual and moral superiority of one particular branch of humanity, which is largely on the wane. Of course, I may be wrong.
Mind you, racism is a subtle beastie and often rears its heads in unlikely situations [eg overpopulation - where lefties suddenly find themselves espousing racist positions, of the 'just enough of us, way too many of you' type].



But racist-baiting is fun!
And yes, flaming people for flaming was a touch ironic.

I think you make some good points here. I would say though that I believe United White Front has always been a racist. He just used the hispanic angle because it was his best way to illustrate his point. Here in Baltimore we have a crackpot (Democrat if it matters) former mayor/Governor current comptroller who made the same point about hispanics at McD not understanding him when he ordered. There was a big uprising in the media over it, and then the Governor (Republican if it matters) backed him up by saying multi-culturalism is a lot of bunk and there was more upheaval. Then it died off as quickly as it started.

Personally if I am moving to Spain or South America I'm going to learn to speak spanish BEFORE I move there. But that's just me. I think it is an insult to the host nation to not learn it's language and customs before moving there to live and work.

In theory McD's shouldnt employ them. If the staff are substandard, dont go there. They will get the message pretty quickly.

In theory McD's shouldnt employ them. If the staff are substandard, dont go there. They will get the message pretty quickly.
well you have to get enough people to complain and stop giong at one time which is hard to do, becouse people are deathly afraid of being thought of as racist

Nothing racist about complaining about bad service. Its only racist if you actually complained about it becuase you objected to the origin of the staff as opposed to poor service.

There was nothing racist about me boycotting a pub because I was thrown out for something I didnt do once. The origin of the owner had no influence on me. Infact in that case he was white. But what difference does skin colour make to service?

Your basis for arguement is that people could accuse you of being racist. If I boyctted somewhere for bad service no one would accuse me of racism. and if they did theyd be wrong.

Your basis for arguement is that people could accuse you of being racist. If I boyctted somewhere for bad service no one would accuse me of racism. and if they did theyd be wrong.
not i
i dont care if i'm called racist
but the majority of the us general public does care

yeah, what if you are called a racist. What does that have to do with boycotting bad service?

Nothing. Not going somewhere that doesnt serve you well is nothing to do with racism. I mean McD's can just employ someone who can serve you, ro even just train their employess a bit better. Either way problem solved. No racism involved. I mean afterall, where we differ is that If they re trained the employees Id be happy. I mean they wouldnt HAVE to replace them.

WHich id the difference, youd object to any hispanic people even if they gave you good service perhaps? That has nothing to do with what I said.

He's "racialist" not "racist". :p

Just keeping things PC.

I would like to start by saying that so long as an individual's ideals do not cause said individual to interfere with anothers inherent rights (in the words of John Locke, Life, Liberty and Property), then there really can be no harm in it. Unfortunately that is seldom the case when it comes to ideals such as race and culture prejudices.

Its interesting to note that racism is actually a misnomer. It is often used to describe those who have prejudice against anyone different from themselves, to include those whom share skin tones. With Nazism in particular, both the Jews and Poles are as pale as any full-blooded German, yet they were the target of the Nazi ethnic cleansing. I also find it interesting that certain individuals and neighborhoods were granted immunity either through German sponsorship or monetary payoff (the movie Schindler's List is a good example). The hypocrisy of such a thing is worth noting. If all Jews are bad, and should die, then why were there any Jews spared.

This is directly congruous today. Take the topic originator for instance. He is part of the US Military (as am I), the single most multicultural entity in the United States. He will go to McDonalds and order food prepared by a multicultural staff. He will drive a car made mostly in a foreign nation. Its an intersting concept, how could he possibly work on a nuclear powered vessel that has black, hispanic, jewish, asian and who-knows-what-else operators. He can't possibly hate them as much as he says or he wouldn't place his life in their hands. I can't say for sure, but I'd be willing to bet there are even a few non-whites in charge. How could he possibly take orders from such a person?

It's easy...

Racists are incapable of following their ideals because they are grossly unrealistic. The ideology may be sound (in some twisted, incomprehensible way), but the practicality is just not there.

In the end, it is a rant. He plays games like this in the hopes of living vicariously through his characters, but when its all said and done, he will go back to work, placing his life in the hands of countless cultures, religions, and races. He will be part of a working force that does not conform with his ideals.

you just have to step back and smile at it all.

Ah, and Kiwicrog-What the British did to aborigines has passed; that was a long time ago. Shiff is obiously referring to the here and now.

Oh, it's very much still alive in the here and now...stolen generation anyone? Howard refusing to apologise? You can hardly claim that the Aborigines are on equal footing with the rest of the Australian citizenry.


Personally, I look to the topic not the name of the person posting.
I am not the sort of person that will judge a person's ability to contribute based on a name they choose for themself. I will judge by what they say.
If I think what is said is unreasoned and just plain ridiculous, then I would normally not bother because you tend to start flogging a dead horse, in that one can never get anywhere with a person that has nothing behind what they believe as they tend not to listen.

I also believe that EVERYONE has prejudices to some degree. I get a little irritated by people being all high and mighty and angsty about racism and saying that all racists are stupid. I really do feel that there is a fair amount of hypocrisy in it, because they've all judged you before you got into your beliefs based solely on the name. Granted you did ask for it. Though that's not racism per se, it is the thought process in racism, the prejudging of character and ability based on a name.

I'd also like to agree that as a white person, I do feel as though I'm not allowed to feel proud of being European, of being white, blue eyed, etc... Because then I'm being a white supremacist and I must be a horrible person, evil and nasty, just like Hitler's Nazis.
Inicdentally, I have skinhead friends and they are some of the loveliest and most well spoken people I know. They don't hate black people, they're just into white pride. Being able to be proud of who they are. Obviously, I'm a little bit naive about them and there probably is a little bit more than that, but they're not what popular opinion would have them be.

I do have to admit I guess, that I have slight racist tendencies. However, they are based on my personal observations of the way certain people's behave in my country. I know that I have these tendencies and I can accept that and also understand that people of other races aren't necessarily inferior to me, I don't hold that belief at all in fact. I don't think that we need to get rid of these other races. I do feel that if you immigrate to a country, that though you can hold onto your traditions and culture, you can't ignore the culture of the new land you have come to. That you have to bend to fit in and that we shouldn't feel as though we have to change for them.

DeanLoche, what is reverse racism by the way?
I hear this term get used often, but as far as I am concerned, racism is racism is racism no matter whom the victim be.

Your name MAKES me post! I HATE racists, it doesn't me ignorant, because I hate their opinions as such. You people hate those "new-citizens" for their countless robbings and rapes, and yet you didn't want to even pay for a proper language-education when they arrived as asylum seekers. YES, THAT'S RIGHT! ASYLUM-SEEKERS! They aren't here to commit crimes, they have FLED from criminals. It is your ignorance and evil that makes them commit crimes. And then you start up a party to throw them out, ex, NF/FN and commit even more crimes against immigrants and the people you want to "defend", and when prosecuted you accuse the society to treat you non-democratic. MAN what I hate you, if there is any threat to the western world it is nationalism, it makes us ignorant and halts absolutely EVERYTHING in society! And you are US citizen I suppose? Well what culture do you have then? Are you aware of that there is no american culture except native, aren't they the ones you and your drunk spearhead-friends kick down every saturday night?

So now when I have flamed my feelings off I am actually going to legitimate your opinions by answering to them (and if you didn't want to debate then why did you post them?):

why should i be the minority

Why should you be majority? Is there some kind of treatie US (or rather the united white front) has signed that states:
No white nationalists should ever be a minority in their own country?

why sould i have to learn another way to speek

Because it would easen the connections between you and people you falsely label as "threats to society". Furthermore I am 14 and not native english-speaker, despite that I can write hell more advanced and meaningful posts than you, I think I know why you have that problem with learning spanish.

why should my people be brain washed in to thinking its wrong to be white

Please give an example of brain-washing against whites that I by all logics will not consider a counterpart of your organisation.

yes there is stuff wrong with hispanics they're invaiding the us

No they aren't and if they were it would give you culture instead of that mix you have now and I totally crushed your points, so what wrong would it be if they did?

Q: Why do racists always hang around in gangs?
A: They want to form dope rings

Q: Why do racists decide whose better on the issue of skin colour?
A: Because if they did it on brains, they'd lose.

Q: What's the definition of confused?
A: A white supremist watching the 100m mens sprints at the Olympics

DeanLoche, what is reverse racism by the way?
I hear this term get used often, but as far as I am concerned, racism is racism is racism no matter whom the victim be.
The term "Reverse-Racism" is poor language skills.
It's existence however is testimonial to the fact that in the United States it is common to believe that Whites can not be subject to racism and may only be the racists.
So, the term "Reverse-Racsim" was birthed, because Racism is so closly associated with Whites as if other peoples were immune to this particular mental defect.
I however agree with you, racism is racism.

New-oblhllia, you are the kind of person phiaiakia is referring to - you are just ranting, without thinking properly.

I prefer to use the term xenophobia because it doesn't discrimintae (lol) between different kinds of prejudice. It also explains a lot mroe than racism. Basically it means that people fear what is different, and it has sound evolutionary backing.

Humanity's most adaptive trait is our adaptability - we can change our habits to suit practically any situation, whereas many other animals would just die because they keep trying to follow their old pattern. However, this implies that adaptability is a coping tactic, only useful when drastic change occurs, and drastci change tends to co-incide with danger. Adaptability is a way to minimise that danger, but just having to use it means that you are in danger, therefore "Change" becomes associated with "danger" and "safe" becomes associated with "sameness".

So it's natural to be afraid of change, and by association people and things which are different. The thing is, just because it's natural doesn't mean it has to stay that way - that's the whole essence of adaptability, that we can change ourselves to suit the environment, and the current environment is better off without prejudice, so we have to block it out whenever we feel it, and eventually not feeling it will be natural.

As to the association of whites with racism - well obviously everyone is to some degree xenophobic, but it's true what we generally call the white race has been a lot more agressive about it on a large scale. One thoery is that the further you get from the equator, the less food there is and so for a community to survive it has to be less willing to share it's food with random strangers, thus must cultivate a fear and therefore hatred of them.

And I think reverse racism is supposed to be when people are afraid of their own xenophobic tendencies (or being thought racist) so they treat minorities BETTER than usual, which isn't fair to either side.

Well Resquide, afer all he did want to hear my opinion, and that is my opinion.

Now I can move on to more reasonable posters (like you).
I think racism is an outdated term as there has been very few racists in history, not even Hitler was racistic, he was a xenophobe and anti-semite. Perhaps we have to get a clear definition of racism, is it just plain believing in human races (then even I am a racist), the valuing of human races physical abilities measured from an ego/etnocentric viewpoint (eugenics), frenologhics and prejudices about the mental capacities of someone depending on their race, can we count modern days xenophobia as racism?

To the latter question I'd say yes, the descendants from many of the old nazi-parties have openly declared that "when eugenics can't engage the youth we have to point out our cultural differencies." (swedish anti-racism magazine Expo).

I wouldn't agree that only white people can be subjects of racism, when the term firt came it could be used in both directions, it is an in that way neutral word and very handy as such, why just associate it witk kkk?

DeanLoche, what is reverse racism by the way?
I hear this term get used often, but as far as I am concerned, racism is racism is racism no matter whom the victim be.

Reverse-racism was a term developed in the early 80s as a PC term to denote the anger and hatred prevelant in black communities towards whites. It is a political term, but the act it speaks of is simply racism in its purist form.

In political arenas, minority against majority racism was often confused with its opposite, especially in writing. A term was developed so that when read, this type of prejudice could be addressed.

The racial profiling in the United States is far from being whites only. Whites are equally discriminated against. Being a majority does not preclude you from being treated a particular way based on your skin color, culture, or ethnicity. A white man in a predominantly black community can reasonably expect to be treated with a lesser degree of respect. This is not confined to black communities. A black man may walk onto a car lot and refuse to speak to anyone but a black salesman. He is assuming that if he speaks to a white salesman, he will not be treated fairly. Whether this prejudice is valid or not is not in question, I am simply stating that these are examples of racism towards a majority.

The term "Reverse-Racism" is poor language skills.
It's existence however is testimonial to the fact that in the United States it is common to believe that Whites can not be subject to racism and may only be the racists.
So, the term "Reverse-Racsim" was birthed, because Racism is so closly associated with Whites as if other peoples were immune to this particular mental defect.
I however agree with you, racism is racism.

I have to disagree with you on your point Bedou. Language is thought brought into a form that can be transferred to others. If the language you are using does not convey the thoughts you are thinking, then a modification of the language is necessary. Language, like Truth, is temporal. When I went to grammar school, ain't was not in the dictionary. It is now not only defined (as a colloquial, but defined none the less), but is actually MLA standard acceptable in college writing (there are restrictions, obviously, but my point only need show the mallability of language). Sometimes, new words and phrases must be brought into being to convey a particular thought in the manner in which it was intended. This is especially true in politics and diplomacy, where a single misspoken word can bring forth untold (and often dire) consequences.

I'm discomforted by your statements, of which I may mistakenly have taken as an attack or sorts, that US citizens believe only whites can be racists and are not subject to racism. I'm not sure what you have based this belief on, but I am curious as to why you would believe that anyone would think that. When you consider that even whites can be prejudice to whites (any white man who has considered all Italians to be in the mob, or all Poles to be ignorant is guilty), it is simply not reasonable to say that whites believe they are incapable of having others be prejudicial against them.

Bah, get off your high and mighty thrones you peoples.

Do not lie to me and say that you have never been scared when there's a big black man behind you, hell, I have at times.

We're all racist in a way, and United White Front is one of them.

Hell I'm a bit of a racist myself, I like to make fun of Nicaraguans. Hell, my school is racist.

Anyway, I find racist posts interesting. I don't think there's a huge Jewish Conspiracy, but I love stereotypes. So funny...

Anyway... good on ya. Nazis aren't dumb, they're just racist!

And believe it or not, I'm Cuban =/ let the flames begin!

Bah, get off your high and mighty thrones you peoples.

Do not lie to me and say that you have never been scared when there's a big black man behind you, hell, I have at times.

i've been scared when there was a big white man behind me, too. the skin color of a person doesn't determine how i evaluate them as a threat.


We're all racist in a way, and United White Front is one of them.

i'm not racist that way, so i would appreciate you not speaking for me.


Hell I'm a bit of a racist myself, I like to make fun of Nicaraguans. Hell, my school is racist.

if you are comfortable with your ignorance and lack of rational thought, then that's your business. not all of us think it is simply ok to let prejudice blind us to reality.

I said I'm a bit of a racist. Does not mean I want to destroy everything.

Seriously, I don't think all white people are rednecks, all Brits are bucktoothed. And blah blah.

I just like to MAKE fun of the stereotypes.

I just hate people who make themselves look in a higher position. Racist or otherwise.

I said I'm a bit of a racist. Does not mean I want to destroy everything.

Seriously, I don't think all white people are rednecks, all Brits are bucktoothed. And blah blah.

I just like to MAKE fun of the stereotypes.

i have no problem with the mocking of stereotypes.


I just hate people who make themselves look in a higher position. Racist or otherwise.
some people ARE in a "higher position." they don't need to "make" themselves appear so, because it's simply the case. racist thinking is irrational and ignorant, and those who espouse it look "lower" because they ARE lower.

some people ARE in a "higher position." they don't need to "make" themselves appear so, because it's simply the case. racist thinking is irrational and ignorant, and those who espouse it look "lower" because they ARE lower.

They can call us ignorant also, hell, MKULTRA thinks there's a neo-con agenda and calls all who don't believe him ignorant. (I think anyway...)

Anyway, nobody is truly right or wrong in my opinion... meh.

(Damn you General forum damn you! Damn you and provoking topics!)