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Im thinking no...Seperation of church and state? Hell, the Right would probably call him too socialist to run...

You're kidding, right? Nothing wrong with his ideas and teachings, but someone who thinks he's born from this supernatural intangible dude we should all worship? Give me a break!

yes jesus could make communism work, and that would rock hard.

Over our current choices? Yes.

Jesus who?

Jesus who?
CHRIST

Hell No! SATAN 4 PRESIDENT!!!

Hell No! SATAN 4 PRESIDENT!!!
The Jew has spoken!

The Jew has spoken!
The right wing extremist has spoken.

Jesus....He's my mexican gardener.

You're kidding, right? Nothing wrong with his ideas and teachings, but someone who thinks he's born from this supernatural intangible dude we should all worship? Give me a break!

Actually, just FYI, I'm pretty sure that Jesus never once said he was the Son of God.

But I'm not Christian, so I don't know for sure.

Jesus....He's my mexican gardener.
He can fucking roll, man. :D

He can fucking roll, man. :D
Trust me, he runs fast and makes a killer burrito.

Actually, just FYI, I'm pretty sure that Jesus never once said he was the Son of God.

But I'm not Christian, so I don't know for sure.

factum est autem cum baptizaretur omnis populus et Iesu baptizato et orante apertum est caelum et descendit Spiritus Sanctus corporali specie sicut columba in ipsum et vox de caelo facta est tu es Filius meus dilectus in te conplacuit mihi

Now it came to pass, when all the people were baptized, that Jesus also being baptized and praying, heaven was opened.
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape, as a dove, upon him. And a voice came from heaven: Thou art my beloved Son. In thee I am well pleased.

~Lucam III: XXI-XXII

Yeah, but you just said that a voice from heaven was speaking. That's not Jesus, that is a voice from Heaven.

Honestly, no;

Because then the Japanese would get Godzilla as their Premier and we'd have teh UBAR L33T GOD FIGHT!1!!1!!!!1111!11, leaving the Earth a charred, desolate wasteland.

This thread deserved my LMAO of the Day Award

Jesus would kick ass as president.

factum est autem cum baptizaretur omnis populus et Iesu baptizato et orante apertum est caelum et descendit Spiritus Sanctus corporali specie sicut columba in ipsum et vox de caelo facta est tu es Filius meus dilectus in te conplacuit mihi

Now it came to pass, when all the people were baptized, that Jesus also being baptized and praying, heaven was opened.
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape, as a dove, upon him. And a voice came from heaven: Thou art my beloved Son. In thee I am well pleased.

~Lucam III: XXI-XXII




Back for more, eh TT? Seriously, i'd vote for him because I know I can actually trust him.

The Jew has spoken!

Who the Fuck are you calling a Jew? I have a history of resisting the Jew World Order. Jesus would probably be a liberal socialist or communist, i.e. a believer in the vile ideology of the Jew in which a Jewish ruling class slaughtered millons of Gentiles.

Did you forget that jesus was a JEW!

Well seeing as Jesus is s'posed to be perfect... yes.

Sure. Jesus was a bit of a legend, sticking it to the man, pissing off the church, faking his own death. Jesus was hell smart, I'd vote for him. He'd be able to unfuck a whole lot of America.
But you guys do realize that the Evangelical vote will put him into the Oval Office anyway?

Yeah, but you just said that a voice from heaven was speaking. That's not Jesus, that is a voice from Heaven.

I and the Father are one.
The Jews then took up stones to stone him. Iesus answered them: Many good works I have shewed you from my Father; for which of these works do you stone me?
~ Iohannem X: XXX-XXXII

Sure. Jesus was a bit of a legend, sticking it to the man, pissing off the church, faking his own death. Jesus was hell smart, I'd vote for him. He'd be able to unfuck a whole lot of America.
But you guys do realize that the Evangelical vote will put him into the Oval Office anyway?
Are you kidding? If Jesus comes back, the evangelicals are the first up against the wall, dude. That powerful swift sword is coming out and Falwell and Robertson and the rest of them are getting it in the ass.

Who the Fuck are you calling a Jew? I have a history of resisting the Jew World Order. Jesus would probably be a liberal socialist or communist, i.e. a believer in the vile ideology of the Jew in which a Jewish ruling class slaughtered millons of Gentiles.

Did you forget that jesus was a JEW!
You are a Satanist and as modern Jews are children of Satan...

Also I did not forget that Iesus was a Jew- because He was not a Jew!

Hehe.. No!

That's quite a funny question though. :D

Are you kidding? If Jesus comes back, the evangelicals are the first up against the wall, dude. That powerful swift sword is coming out and Falwell and Robertson and the rest of them are getting it in the ass.
The Zionists will get their justice.

Are you kidding? If Jesus comes back, the evangelicals are the first up against the wall, dude. That powerful swift sword is coming out and Falwell and Robertson and the rest of them are getting it in the ass.
Why do they get it in the ass...*sarcatically grumpy

You are a Satanist and as modern Jews are children of Satan...

Also I did not forget that Iesus was a Jew- because He was not a Jew!



Given Jews were around long before white people, I seriously douibt they are the spawn of satan and no Jesus was not white. He would have looked like people that live in modern Israel, tan skin, dark hair and brown eyes.

Given Jews were around long before white people, I seriously douibt they are the spawn of satan and no Jesus was not white. He would have looked like people that live in modern Israel, tan skin, dark hair and brown eyes.
Jews were around longer than White people? What is your basis?

The modern day Jew is a descendant of the Khazars, an Asiatic Eastern European kingdom that issued mass conversions to Talmudic Judaism around the 9th century Anno Domini.

And I must also ask where your claims of knowing what Iesus looked like came from?

Actually, just FYI, I'm pretty sure that Jesus never once said he was the Son of God.

But I'm not Christian, so I don't know for sure.
Oh! For a quick second there I thought you and him were buds or somesuch thing.

He’s ineligible for several reasons. And quite frankly doesn’t even want to be president.

First, he’s foreign born
Second, he's a king. Not just any king, but king of all kings.
Third, he doesn’t even want to be president. He’s afraid of crucifixion again, or at least the modern equivalent.
Fourth, he doesn’t want to miss poker night
Fifth, he want to remain dead
Sixth, he can’t quite play musical instruments like he used to let alone sign documents.
Seventh, hardly anybody will even vote for him when they see what he truly looks like. He’s got that black middle eastern look.
Eighth, people will ask too many questions about the past and there will be little if any progress towards anything.

Jews were around longer than White people? What is your basis?

The modern day Jew is a descendant of the Khazars, an Asiatic Eastern European kingdom that issued mass conversions to Talmudic Judaism around the 9th century Anno Domini.

And I must also ask where your claims of knowing what Iesus looked like came from?




Ok, if you've ever been to the middle east, that is similar to what jesus would have looked like. He certanly would not have had pale white skin, blue eyes and blonde hair, given the climate and landscape of that area. So what were Moses, Abraham and Joseph if Jews, as you claim, did not exist until 900 AD?

factum est autem cum baptizaretur omnis populus et Iesu baptizato et orante apertum est caelum et descendit Spiritus Sanctus corporali specie sicut columba in ipsum et vox de caelo facta est tu es Filius meus dilectus in te conplacuit mihi

Now it came to pass, when all the people were baptized, that Jesus also being baptized and praying, heaven was opened.
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape, as a dove, upon him. And a voice came from heaven: Thou art my beloved Son. In thee I am well pleased.

~Lucam III: XXI-XXII
Another papist inquisitor wannabe heard from.

It would depend on his policies. I wouldn't vote for anyone on name alone.

Ok, if you've ever been to the middle east, that is similar to what jesus would have looked like. He certanly would not have had pale white skin, blue eyes and blonde hair, given the climate and landscape of that area. So what were Moses, Abraham and Joseph if Jews, as you claim, did not exist until 900 AD?
Abraham, Moses, and Joseph were ancient Hebrews, predecessors to the Catholic Faith. They have no relation to modern day Jews.

Oh! For a quick second there I thought you and him were buds or somesuch thing.
I'm great buds with Jesus *yells out the window (Jesus is weeding my garden)* HEY JEBUS WANT A LEMONADE?!

If Jesus does run, I want Oprah as Vice.

Another papist inquisitor wannabe heard from.
Excuse me? :confused:

Oh! For a quick second there I thought you and him were buds or somesuch thing.

You lost me

Excuse me? :confused:



You sound surprised, which makes me wonder why you didn't get surprised when myself, among others, accused your "earth centre of universe" as insane. You simply called us heathens.

I and the Father are one.
The Jews then took up stones to stone him. Iesus answered them: Many good works I have shewed you from my Father; for which of these works do you stone me?
~ Iohannem X: XXX-XXXII
What A Meta for?

Abraham, Moses, and Joseph were ancient Hebrews, predecessors to the Catholic Faith. They have no relation to modern day Jews.

Prove it.

You are a Satanist and as modern Jews are children of Satan...

Also I did not forget that Iesus was a Jew- because He was not a Jew!
LMAO! What? You don't like to quote that part of your bible? Even your precious popes say he was.

What a maroon!

Who the Fuck are you calling a Jew? I have a history of resisting the Jew World Order. Jesus would probably be a liberal socialist or communist, i.e. a believer in the vile ideology of the Jew in which a Jewish ruling class slaughtered millons of Gentiles.

Did you forget that jesus was a JEW!

mmmkay... takes luciferius' name off The List.

LMAO! What? You don't like to quote that part of your bible? Even your precious popes say he was.

What a maroon!

Haha what a maroon! He is a maroon and I love you for using that word.

Prove it.
Your Talmudic religion has its roots much later in evil, presumably in the Khazar kingdom.

LMAO! What? You don't like to quote that part of your bible? Even your precious popes say he was.

What a maroon!
What part of the Bible?
I really do not know what you are talking about.
Please clarify.

Haha what a maroon! He is a maroon and I love you for using that word.
a runaway african slave living in a clandestine free community in the new world or the descendant of the same?

There is way too much hate here for such a light-hearted thread.

For similar reasons, I wouldn't vote for Jesus. He'd be assassinated or impeached within a week if he won.

"Mr. President, is it true you condone slavery? What about your threats to the average American family?" You get the idea. Poor guy.

Your Talmudic religion has its roots much later in evil, presumably in the Khazar kingdom.




What colour of skin, eyes, hair, etc do you think Jesus had? Not that it really matters but I need clarity. *Grins knowing what kind of answer is coming his way*.

He’s ineligible for several reasons. And quite frankly doesn’t even want to be president.

First, he’s foreign born
Second, he's a king. Not just any king, but king of all kings.
Third, he doesn’t even want to be president. He’s afraid of crucifixion again, or at least the modern equivalent.
Fourth, he doesn’t want to miss poker night
Fifth, he want to remain dead
Sixth, he can’t quite play musical instruments like he used to let alone sign documents.
Seventh, hardly anybody will even vote for him when they see what he truly looks like. He’s got that black middle eastern look.
Eighth, people will ask too many questions about the past and there will be little if any progress towards anything.
Jeez, poker, huh? I must have mussed the big step up from BINGO nights. Any body here wat to pray up the number to Gamblers Anonymous?

I can't seem to wrap my head around the out of proportion jew-bashing that constantly goes on in these forums.

a runaway african slaving living in a clandestine free community in the new world or the descendant of the same?

The Bugs-Bunny kind. *hides under a lamp shade.

I can't seem to wrap my head around the out of proportion jew-bashing that constantly goes on in these forums.

everyone's bashed here. The Jews are just fairly relevant to the current topics floating around. Try to find a Pagan vs. Atheist thread sometime!

I'm great buds with Jesus *yells out the window (Jesus is weeding my garden)* HEY JEBUS WANT A LEMONADE?!

If Jesus does run, I want Oprah as Vice.
Do you mean vice as in vice president or should I just leave that alone?

I can't seem to wrap my head around the out of proportion jew-bashing that constantly goes on in these forums.
yeah it rocks, even the antisemites are calling each other jews as a general term of abuse.... wooohoooo

He’s ineligible for several reasons. And quite frankly doesn’t even want to be president.

Seventh, hardly anybody will even vote for him when they see what he truly looks like. He’s got that black middle eastern look.

He's got the dead mouldy look if you ask me.

I can't seem to wrap my head around the out of proportion jew-bashing that constantly goes on in these forums.

Yet, though we are constantly ridiculed, we're still on these forums and we're still laughing our asses off at the morons who think they're actually hurting our feelings.

Your Talmudic religion has its roots much later in evil, presumably in the Khazar kingdom.

Uh huh. Even though the Khazar conversion is thought to have occured around 740 CE, and the Jerusalem and Babylonian Talmuds were codified in c. 400 and 500 CE, respectively. (The first writing down of the Oral Law, or Mishnah, is thought to have started in 200 CE.)

Wow, that makes a whole lot of sense. So the Khazars wrote the Talmud over 200 years before they became Jews? Impressive. :rolleyes:

Ignorant in regards to religion, history, AND math. You must be quite a hit with the ladies.

Uh huh. Even though the Khazar conversion is thought to have occured around 740 CE, and the Jerusalem and Babylonian Talmuds were codified in c. 400 and 500 CE, respectively.

Wow, that makes a whole lot of sense. So the Khazars wrote the Talmud over 200 years before they became Jews? Wow. :rolleyes:

Ignorant in regards to religion, history, AND math. You must be quite a hit with the ladies.



And the funny thing is that he'll call you ignorant.

What part of the Bible?
I really do not know what you are talking about.
Please clarify.
The New Testament clearly claims Jesus as a Jew and goes to great lengths to not only calls him a Jew but to prove his lineage. If you can't keep up, open new browser windows. Or is it a matter that you are baffled by your own BS?

There is way too much hate here for such a light-hearted thread.

For similar reasons, I wouldn't vote for Jesus. He'd be assassinated or impeached within a week if he won.

"Mr. President, is it true you condone slavery? What about your threats to the average American family?" You get the idea. Poor guy.
old slavery normal only last 7 years it was more like indentured sevrtitude, you can't Impeach someone in a week, if he was here no one wouldn't be christain I think the opening of the skies and the floating on the clouds would do the tricks if the raising of zion didn't.

What colour of skin, eyes, hair, etc do you think Jesus had? Not that it really matters but I need clarity. *Grins knowing what kind of answer is coming his way*.
Typical traditional portrayal:
http://www.divinitygiftshop.com/productimages/ger81-004.jpg

The New Testament clearly claims Jesus as a Jew and goes to great lengths to not only calls him a Jew but to prove his lineage. If you can't keep up, open new browser windows. Or is it a matter that you are baffled by your own BS?
No it doesn't.
They're your claims. Back them up with actual verses!

Honestly, I can see an arguement for both.
He was against capital punishment. (the whole throw the first stone thing)
He was for personal responsibility. (the whole teach a man to fish gig)
Maybe he'd be a libertarian.LOL
I do know that he'd actually be locked in a rubber room somewhere and heavily sedated. Maybe that's why he hasn't come back yet. :p

I can't seem to wrap my head around the out of proportion jew-bashing that constantly goes on in these forums.

You made THAT your first post?

There are a few individuals who are hateful of anything outside the myopic, parochial nook that forms their world. Then there is everyone else.

old slavery normal only last 7 years it was more like indentured sevrtitude, you can't Impeach someone in a week, if he was here no one wouldn't be christain I think the opening of the skies and the floating on the clouds would do the tricks if the raising of zion didn't.

you're really taking this thread too seriously.

Typical traditional portrayal:
http://www.divinitygiftshop.com/productimages/ger81-004.jpg

Ooh flood with brown, way to dodge a bullet...oh wait he still looks like a western CK pin up boy. Actually more Mossimo with the long hair.

With this guy voting for him. how can he lose? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v398/hello51/ernest.jpg

mmmkay... takes luciferius' name off The List.

What List??

P.S. Tenete Traditiones is a damn fool if he doens't know that the filthy nazarene (jesus) was an Arab Jew. People in the middle east have been brown skinned since the says of the ancient Sumerians (who also refered to themselves as "the black-headed people" or "sag-gi-ga").

Jesus would not be eligible to become the US Presdident.

He would have the good taste to be born in Australia.

What List??

P.S. Tenete Traditiones is a damn fool if he doens't know that the filthy nazarene (jesus) was an Arab Jew.



You're a satanist? If you are, he'll bug you to death over that and being a jew because he claims there are the spawn of satan and aid the communist bush.

What List??

P.S. Tenete Traditiones is a damn fool if he doens't know that the filthy nazarene (jesus) was an Arab Jew.
Stupid Judeo-Satanist be damned!
Cease your blasphemy against Christ, the White people, and all things good, demon!

Stupid Judeo-Satanist be damned!
Cease your blasphemy against Christ, the White people, and all things good, demon!
Wait is this guy a parody? He so is, he's turned Nazi.

Stupid Judeo-Satanist be damned!
Cease your blasphemy against Christ, the White people, and all things good, demon!



Because white people are soo perfect, right? I am one but I don't think we are as good as you say we are, TT.

Wait is this guy a parody? He so is, he's turned Nazi.
I have never turned Nazi?!
From what do you base this claim?

I have never turned Nazi?!
From what do you base this claim?



Maybe your white supremacist views.

Honestly, no;

Because then the Japanese would get Godzilla as their Premier and we'd have teh UBAR L33T GOD FIGHT!1!!1!!!!1111!11, leaving the Earth a charred, desolate wasteland.


Jesus would fuck godzilla up! by the way who would run for prime minister of canada im just wondering why the americans get the son of god and we get some old fat guy

Stupid Judeo-Satanist be damned!
Cease your blasphemy against Christ, the White people, and all things good, demon!

LOL!

EDIT FROM ORIGINAL POST: People in the middle east have been brown skinned since the says of the ancient Sumerians (who also refered to themselves as "the black-headed people" or "sag-gi-ga").

Let me post this again since its been a while. A little visual aid:

http://www.kingidentity.com/comic.gif

I wouldn't need to vote for Him -- when He comes back, its over. Judgement Day. And he ain't comming like he did the first time -- he's coming in all His Glory decending from the Heavens.

LOL!

EDIT FROM ORIGINAL POST: People in the middle east have been brown skinned since the says of the ancient Sumerians (who also refered to themselves as "the black-headed people" or "sag-gi-ga").
Laugh you way to Hell, jude.

Let me post this again since its been a while. A little visual aid:

http://www.kingidentity.com/comic.gif




What a racist thing to post. It denies the fact that white did enslave africans and hence why there are african americans. And of course, we cannot forget the Jew, who has brainwashed the white couple, right?

What a racist thing to post.

That post was actually mostly true. The main thing wrong with anti-white Jew propaganda is that is was actually Arab Muslims who first enslaved the blacks and merely sold them to white europeans.

Laugh you way to Hell, jude.

I for one will gladly go to Hell if it'll mean I don't have to deal with douchebags like you.

Maybe your white supremacist views.
And from what do you base this claim of "white supremacist views?"

That post was actually mostly true. The main thing wrong with anti-white Jew propaganda is that is was actually Arab Muslims who first enslaved the blacks and merely sold them to white europeans.



Meh, fair enough, although I did edited the post.

I for one will gladly go to Hell if it'll mean I don't have to deal with douchebags like you.
You always manage to show up when we mention the word Jew. Do you somehow pick up the scent when your Talmudism and its vile people are being exposed?

I have a feeling Jesus would never run for President in the first place.

And from what do you base this claim of "white supremacist views?"


When you said "Stupid Judeo-Satanist be damned!
Cease your blasphemy against Christ, the White people, and all things good, demon!" And put white people and all things good together as if they walk hand in hand.

When you said "Stupid Judeo-Satanist be damned!
Cease your blasphemy against Christ, the White people, and all things good, demon!" And put white people and all things good together as if they walk hand in hand.
Those quotes of mine do not endorse White Supremist nor National Socialist doctrines.

Those quotes of mine do not endorse White Supremist nor National Socialist doctrines.



What do they endorse then?

i'd vote for buddha.

they both basically believed the same things and taught the same things... except that buddha never claimed to be divine or that his teachings were right for everyone.

No it doesn't.
They're your claims. Back them up with actual verses!
TT, you are the epitome of the fellow behind the desk in the Monty Python skit wherein the fellow comes in for an argument but the best the he finds in his opponent is gainsay.

The oldest dated manuscripts of the NT are in Aramaic. But if you prefer Latin;

Abraham genuit Isaac Isaac autem genuit Iacob Iacob autem genuit Iudam et fratres eius. Iudas autem genuit Phares et Zara de Thamar Phares autem genuit Esrom Esrom autem genuit Aram. Aram autem genuit Aminadab Aminadab autem genuit Naasson Naasson autem genuit Salmon. Salmon autem genuit Booz de Rachab Booz autem genuit Obed ex Ruth Obed autem genuit Iesse Iesse autem genuit David regem.David autem rex genuit Salomonem ex ea quae fuit Uriae. Asa.Salomon autem genuit Roboam Roboam autem genuit Abiam Abia autem genuit Asa. Asa autem genuit Iosaphat Iosaphat autem genuit Ioram Ioram autem genuit Oziam. Ozias autem genuit Ioatham Ioatham autem genuit Achaz Achaz autem genuit Ezechiam. Ezechias autem genuit Manassen Manasses autem genuit Amon Amon autem genuit Iosiam. Iosias autem genuit Iechoniam et fratres eius in transmigratione Babyloniset post transmigrationem Babylonis Iechonias genuit Salathihel Salathihel autem genuit Zorobabel. Zorobabel autem genuit Abiud Abiud autem genuit Eliachim Eliachim autem genuit Azor. Azor autem genuit Saddoc Saddoc autem genuit Achim Achim autem genuit Eliud. Eliud autem genuit Eleazar Eleazar autem genuit Matthan Matthan autem genuit Iacob. Iacob autem genuit Ioseph virum Mariae de qua natus est Iesus qui vocatur Christus.

Seems a long way to go to not prove the point, eh?

I am done with you. Do not bother formulating a response. I am off to bed. Tomorrow, after a night's sleep, I will have better sense and will ignore you in the future.

i'd vote for buddha.

they both basically believed the same things and taught the same things... except that buddha never claimed to be divine or that his teachings were right for everyone.



How'd it go with TT once I left last night? Did he say "hindoo" again?

i'd vote for buddha.

they both basically believed the same things and taught the same things... except that buddha never claimed to be divine or that his teachings were right for everyone.
The question didn't ask "who?", it asked "would you vote for Jesus?", yes or no.

TT, you are the epitome of the fellow behind the desk in the Monty Python skit wherein the fellow comes in for an argument but the best the he finds in his opponent is gainsay.

The oldest dated manuscripts of the NT are in Aramaic. But if you prefer Latin;

Abraham genuit Isaac Isaac autem genuit Iacob Iacob autem genuit Iudam et fratres eius. Iudas autem genuit Phares et Zara de Thamar Phares autem genuit Esrom Esrom autem genuit Aram. Aram autem genuit Aminadab Aminadab autem genuit Naasson Naasson autem genuit Salmon. Salmon autem genuit Booz de Rachab Booz autem genuit Obed ex Ruth Obed autem genuit Iesse Iesse autem genuit David regem.David autem rex genuit Salomonem ex ea quae fuit Uriae. Asa.Salomon autem genuit Roboam Roboam autem genuit Abiam Abia autem genuit Asa. Asa autem genuit Iosaphat Iosaphat autem genuit Ioram Ioram autem genuit Oziam. Ozias autem genuit Ioatham Ioatham autem genuit Achaz Achaz autem genuit Ezechiam. Ezechias autem genuit Manassen Manasses autem genuit Amon Amon autem genuit Iosiam. Iosias autem genuit Iechoniam et fratres eius in transmigratione Babyloniset post transmigrationem Babylonis Iechonias genuit Salathihel Salathihel autem genuit Zorobabel. Zorobabel autem genuit Abiud Abiud autem genuit Eliachim Eliachim autem genuit Azor. Azor autem genuit Saddoc Saddoc autem genuit Achim Achim autem genuit Eliud. Eliud autem genuit Eleazar Eleazar autem genuit Matthan Matthan autem genuit Iacob. Iacob autem genuit Ioseph virum Mariae de qua natus est Iesus qui vocatur Christus.

Seems a long way to go to not prove the point, eh?

I am done with you. Do not bother formulating a response. I am off to bed. Tomorrow, after a night's sleep, I will have better sense and will ignore you in the future.
And that proves... nothing.

What/who does your statement earlier endorse, TT?

I don't think Jesus would ever run for political office in any time period. He didn't seem to like people who would seek earthly power. "Blessed are the poor in spirit for their's is the kingdom of Heaven."

you know, jesus was jewish...

if he existed... and he was supposed to be their saviour. their messiah.

What/who does your statement earlier endorse, TT?
I do not endorse some label. Why would I need be part of some -ism or other ideology to express those statements?

you know, jesus was jewish...

if he existed... and he was supposed to be their saviour. their messiah.
No, Jesus was not a Jew.

The question didn't ask "who?", it asked "would you vote for Jesus?", yes or no.

well, if he's anything like what you depict him to be, then hell no.

if he's the way he seems in the bible, minus the whole thing about being the son of god and such (which really seems to have been added in later) then sure.

No, Jesus was not a Jew.

his mother was jewish.

judaism is matrilinial, is it not? therefore, jesus was jewish.

I do not endorse some label. Why would I need be part of some -ism or other ideology to express those statements?



You say things that need answering/confuse people like why you ONLY put white people on that list without putting asians or someone else with it.

factum est autem cum baptizaretur omnis populus et Iesu baptizato et orante apertum est caelum et descendit Spiritus Sanctus corporali specie sicut columba in ipsum et vox de caelo facta est tu es Filius meus dilectus in te conplacuit mihi

Now it came to pass, when all the people were baptized, that Jesus also being baptized and praying, heaven was opened.
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape, as a dove, upon him. And a voice came from heaven: Thou art my beloved Son. In thee I am well pleased.

~Lucam III: XXI-XXII

didn't jesus also say that we're all the children of god?

and that isn't in the bible, stop tricking us with false books. unless that's some fucked up latin way of spelling luke.

his mother was jewish.

judaism is matrilinial, is it not? therefore, jesus was jewish.
Mary was a Levi. Not a Jew.

Modern Jews are descended from the Khazars anyway as discussed already.

How'd it go with TT once I left last night? Did he say "hindoo" again?

yeah, a number of times. then i told him if he wanted to bray like an ass, i wasn't going to join him.

yeah, a number of times. then i told him if he wanted to bray like an ass, i wasn't going to join him.



Like I said, because the definition wasn't in latin, he doesn't seem to see it as legitimate.

didn't jesus also say that we're all the children of god?

and that isn't in the bible, stop tricking us with false books. unless that's some fucked up latin way of spelling luke.
That's Luke 3: 21-22

I gave you the English translation so what else is the problem?

Jews were around longer than White people? What is your basis?

The modern day Jew is a descendant of the Khazars, an Asiatic Eastern European kingdom that issued mass conversions to Talmudic Judaism around the 9th century Anno Domini.

And I must also ask where your claims of knowing what Iesus looked like came from?

may i ask what your basis for sayign that modern day jewish people are descendants of khazars? 'cause that's a new one..

That's Luke 3: 21-22

I gave you the English translation so what else is the problem?

well, look at what you called luke. how am i to know that you're not inventing books.

and again, i must ask: didn't jesus say that we're all the children of god?

may i ask what your basis for sayign that modern day jewish people are descendants of khazars? 'cause that's a new one..
Go back a few pages and read. I'm not going through this again.

well, look at what you called luke. how am i to know that you're not inventing books.

and again, i must ask: didn't jesus say that we're all the children of god?
I was quoting from the inerrant Vulgate, so obviously it is in Latin.
I provided you with the English translation so why do you continue on this?

Your Talmudic religion has its roots much later in evil, presumably in the Khazar kingdom.

judaism predates christianity.

and they both have their roots in summerian zoroastrianism. you might as well call jhvh ahura mazda and jesus mithras.

personally, i think ahura mazda is a cooler name anyways.

judaism predates christianity.

and they both have their roots in summerian zoroastrianism. you might as well call jhvh ahura mazda and jesus mithras.

personally, i think ahura mazda is a cooler name anyways.
All fallacies...

I was quoting from the inerrant Vulgate, so obviously it is in Latin.
I provided you with the English translation so why do you continue on this?


i know, i read the english translation.

and you ignored my question that i repeated last time and asked the first time:

but doesn't jesus say (in a different part of the bible) that we're all children of god?

thus if he were to say he's the son of god, it wouldn't mean that he's any different than you or i, as you're another one of god's sons and i'm one of god's daughters.

i know, i read the english translation.

and you ignored my question that i repeated last time and asked the first time:

but doesn't jesus say (in a different part of the bible) that we're all children of god?

thus if he were to say he's the son of god, it wouldn't mean that he's any different than you or i, as you're another one of god's sons and i'm one of god's daughters.
First show me the actual verse.

i know, i read the english translation.

and you ignored my question that i repeated last time and asked the first time:

but doesn't jesus say (in a different part of the bible) that we're all children of god?

thus if he were to say he's the son of god, it wouldn't mean that he's any different than you or i, as you're another one of god's sons and i'm one of god's daughters.

The two words are different in Greek but you got the general idea

No I'd vote for me! MUHAHAHA :cool:

No I'd vote for me! MUHAHAHA :cool:


LOL love the name. "I AM LUR! RULER OF OMICRON PERCEI 8!"

No I'd vote for me! MUHAHAHA :cool:
HA HA HA What an intelligent first post. :rolleyes:

All fallacies...

really? 'casue they've found tablets dating back to 500 bce in summeria talking about mithras, the mediator, who stood between ahura mazda and (i forget what they called their devil) who would watch and judge all humans and those who believed in him would be forgiven and woudl enter into paradise while those who didn't would suffer. coincidently (or not) mithras was crucified on a hill with two people, one on each side, his followers would consume crackers with a cross on them as the body of mithras and red wine as his blood. mithras was also born of a virgin, was visited by three magi, shepherds et c. he was even given the same gifts. all these details can be found in texts that long predate the earliest written or historical records of christianity.

early judaism doesn't focus on that so much, actually, in the old testament you can see the early paganism, elohim, the word used to describe god in genesis is masculine and plural, the old testament initially says nothing about other gods, eventually it says not to worship the other gods, never saying that there weren't any other gods, satan was less of an adversary and more of a necessesary counterbalance, then along comes christianity, a new infusion of mitrhaism from the romans who very much enjoyed their mystery cults from far off exotic lands.

but then jesus seems to be a contradictory figure in the bible, one minute advocating love, tolerance and peace and the other saying that he comes to turn wives against husbands and children against parents and that there is only one way for salvation.

it kind of makes you wonder where the historical figure (if there was one) ends and the bias of the followers who actually wrote the text 100 years after his death begin.

HA HA HA What an intelligent first post. :rolleyes:

Not all of us are intelligent enough to misquote bad Latin translations of Greek texts.

Not all of us are intelligent enough to misquote bad Latin translations of Greek texts.
The INERRANT INSPIRED LATIN VULGATE is greatly superior to Greek texts.

The two words are different in Greek but you got the general idea

can you help me with the verse? i can't remember verses for the life of me and you seem to know both what i'm talking about here and a lot about the bible...

Im thinking no...Seperation of church and state? Hell, the Right would probably call him too socialist to run...

Yes. I don't think he'd be a socialist, though. While he'd definitely be against big businesses, greedy people, and the wealthy, I doubt he'd favor taking their money and re-distributing it. That would violate the Biblical commandment against theft.

The INERRANT INSPIRED LATIN VULGATE is greatly superior to Greek texts.


One would think the original would be a better source than the translation, but apparently not.

can you help me with the verse? i can't remember verses for the life of me and you seem to know both what i'm talking about here and a lot about the bible...


Sorry, just moved and my Bible is buried somewhere. If someone could get me the phrasing though I could tell you what the difference is in the Greek.

The INERRANT INSPIRED LATIN VULGATE is greatly superior to Greek texts.

wouldn't the original printed language be the best source?

i mean, i know that i would rather read the illiad in greek than english. (apparantly it loses all its poetry... though i can't read greek so i have to settle with english. :( )

I just spent half an hour reading all of this rubbish (slow reader!) and I have to say that I have rarely laughed so hard in my life. You keep at it, guys, and eventually you might get to the real world (god, jesus, buddha or whoever willing) and get lives. Don't get me wrong, I am exactly the same type of sad case, who spends their time online reading drivel, but I am very glad at the moment that it is confined to the computers.

As for Jesus, I think he would be lacking in funds to compete in the elections, and, in any case, the Veterans would sully his name for not fighting in the War (pick one). Besides, Arameic would make it quite difficult to understand any debates!

But I might vote for him, he seemed like a nice enough guy.

Oh, and for my two cents worth, being a Levi means you are a Jew from the Levi "class". Three classes, Cohen, Levi and Israel. Unfortunately, Mary, being a woman, could only have been Israel, because women were not privy to the other two. Oooh, I'm asking for it now! :)

You always manage to show up when we mention the word Jew. Do you somehow pick up the scent when your Talmudism and its vile people are being exposed?

Maybe I'm just attracted to stupidity. And you're reeking of it.

BTW, to "expose" something, you need to actually present FACTS and back them up with evidence. All you've done is spout random statements. You're no more authoritative than a Bazooka Joe comic.

wouldn't the original printed language be the best source?

i mean, i know that i would rather read the illiad in greek than english. (apparantly it loses all its poetry... though i can't read greek so i have to settle with english. :( )

i hear there are alot of misspells and grammatical errors in the orginal greek and aramaic(sp?), the latin fixes all that, its like a novel after its been to the proofreaders.

I just spent half an hour reading all of this rubbish (slow reader!) and I have to say that I have rarely laughed so hard in my life. You keep at it, guys, and eventually you might get to the real world (god, jesus, buddha or whoever willing) and get lives. Don't get me wrong, I am exactly the same type of sad case, who spends their time online reading drivel, but I am very glad at the moment that it is confined to the computers.


WELCOME!

Mary was a Levi. Not a Jew.

Modern Jews are descended from the Khazars anyway as discussed already.

The Levites were one tribe of Israelites, idiot. And again, feel free to substantiate your Khazar claim.

Maybe I'm just attracted to stupidity. And you're reeking of it.

BTW, to "expose" something, you need to actually present FACTS and back them up with evidence. All you've done is spout random statements. You're no more authoritative than a Bazooka Joe comic.
don't list to the minions of khazar occupational government, they are always asking me for "proof" and "documentation", its a trick.. don't fall into their clever jew traps.

Jesus? Dude, yes! I'm not a Christian, but I'd vote for him! The beard is sexxxy

Oh, and for my two cents worth, being a Levi means you are a Jew from the Levi "class". Three classes, Cohen, Levi and Israel. Unfortunately, Mary, being a woman, could only have been Israel, because women were not privy to the other two. Oooh, I'm asking for it now! :)

I'm fairly sure that's not quite right. The caste system (related to tribe) was passed down by the father, so women could be Levites, as well as Kohanim, they just couldn't pass on that status to their children. What you are talking about is the actual religious DUTIES of the Kohanim and Levites, which were only performed by men, and is a separate issue.

i hear there are alot of misspells and grammatical errors in the orginal greek and aramaic(sp?), the latin fixes all that, its like a novel after its been to the proofreaders.


Some of that is true, and its not mispells and errors just colloquialisms. The original Greek is known as Koine Greek because of that, it has phraseology and such that distinguishes it from Attic Greek.

Latin totally fucks up the translation though; in fact it almost seems to be translating as if it wanted desperately Koine Greek to be Attic or Ionic Greek. This isn't St. Jerome's fault; the Classics are all in Attic or Ionic Greek and thats what he was trained in, but thats not what the NT is written in.

Its like trying to translate a comic book into Japanese when the only English you know is Shakespearean Old English.

i hear there are alot of misspells and grammatical errors in the orginal greek and aramaic(sp?), the latin fixes all that, its like a novel after its been to the proofreaders.

but chances are they have their own misspells, gramtical errors and even mistranslations.

it's one thing if you do a multi-step process, correct the spelling and grammar in the original and do another run through to translate it. and then go through again to correct the grammar.

believe me, i've translated things from english to french before, errors in translation do happen. hell, go to canada and buy a cereal box. if you understand french, the french side won't make sense to you.

Jesus? Dude, yes! I'm not a Christian, but I'd vote for him! The beard is sexxxy

I like the way you think. Apparently Lincoln got a lot of votes because of his beard. The power is in the facial hair.

How does this apply to Hitler then? His mustache is pretty famous.

That and Mary is of Judah, the division of the Levites you refer to thus has nothing to do with her.

QahJoh, don't get so angry. It'll all be alright in the end. You just have to realise that there are all sorts of people who roam this earth, smart people, stupid people, racists people, tolerant people, Jews, Christians, fundamentalists, etc. You just have to pick and choose your friends, which is your rights, and ignore those you don't take a liking for. Circle the ones above that apply to you, BTW. The main question everyone has to ask themselves is, do all your friends avoid your phonecalls and emails? ;)

Its like trying to translate a comic book into Japanese when the only English you know is Shakespearean Old English.

but there would still be pictures of chicks having sex with tentacle monsters and getting spanked by robots right, cuz otherwise i'm not buying it no matter what language its in.

Some of that is true, and its not mispells and errors just colloquialisms. The original Greek is known as Koine Greek because of that, it has phraseology and such that distinguishes it from Attic Greek.

Latin totally fucks up the translation though; in fact it almost seems to be translating as if it wanted desperately Koine Greek to be Attic or Ionic Greek. This isn't St. Jerome's fault; the Classics are all in Attic or Ionic Greek and thats what he was trained in, but thats not what the NT is written in.

Its like trying to translate a comic book into Japanese when the only English you know is Shakespearean Old English.

As an aside, wasn't Greek the "high language" for the Romans? If I'm remembering that correctly, wouldn't all major writings orinially be written in Greek and then later translated into the common language of Latin?

I like the way you think. Apparently Lincoln got a lot of votes because of his beard. The power is in the facial hair.

How does this apply to Hitler then? His mustache is pretty famous.

Hitler would obviously lose to Lincoln, because Lincoln had more facial hair.

... And I would beat them both. :)

don't list to the minions of khazar occupational government, they are always asking me for "proof" and "documentation", its a trick.. don't fall into their clever jew traps.

Yes, damn you, "Jewish" empiricism.

QahJoh, don't get so angry.

What made you think I was angry? :confused:

Hitler would obviously lose to Lincoln, because Lincoln had more facial hair.

... And I would beat them both. :)


Have you posted on the picture thread?

Personally, I would vote for Castro on beardy-ness. That man is the height of cool, and I am sure that even Dubya would step down for him, if he asked nicely (and slipped him some cubans!)

As an aside, wasn't Greek the "high language" for the Romans? If I'm remembering that correctly, wouldn't all major writings orinially be written in Greek and then later translated into the common language of Latin?

No not at all. The Eastern half of the Empire spoke Greek, as remnants of the Hellenistic kingdoms. Many Roman authors wrote in Greek, but never in Koine Greek, always in strict Attic Greek. But never as a rule were items first written in Greek and then in Latin.

I think it's already been established that Jesus was ineligable for the precidency. According to most sources Jesus was 33 years old when he was crucified. You must be at least 35 years old to run for president.

So he wasn't eligible.

But I would definately vote for him if he was. Screw seperation of church and state, that little clause is so misinterpreted and skewed it's not even constitutional anymore.

Yes, damn you, "Jewish" empiricism.





i knew it the entire basis of modern "scientific" reasoning is a khazar plot to control the white man's mind.

I think it's already been established that Jesus was ineligable for the precidency. According to most sources Jesus was 33 years old when he was crucified. You must be at least 35 years old to run for president.

So he wasn't eligible.

But I would definately vote for him if he was. Screw seperation of church and state, that little clause is so misinterpreted and skewed it's not even constitutional anymore.

Technically though, having never died (or never stayed dead anyway), he's roughly 2006 years old, give or take.

i knew it the entire basis of modern "scientific" reasoning is a khazar plot to control the white man's mind.

Yep. Darwin was one of us. Couldn't you tell from his beard?

And the nose, you mustn't forget the nose

oh, and for good measure, he was gay, too! (but don't tell anyone otherwise evolution might suffer)

But I would definately vote for him if he was. Screw seperation of church and state, that little clause is so misinterpreted and skewed it's not even constitutional anymore.
What clause?

The constitution only contains the establishment clause, and the free exercise clause, neither of which have been "skewed". They just don't mean what some people would have them to mean.

"Separation of church and state" came from a phrase Jefferson used, holding no legal significance in and of itself.

No not at all. The Eastern half of the Empire spoke Greek, as remnants of the Hellenistic kingdoms. Many Roman authors wrote in Greek, but never in Koine Greek, always in strict Attic Greek. But never as a rule were items first written in Greek and then in Latin.

Check. I know next to nothing about Greek dialects, so forgive the throbbing mass of ignorance. I think my memory got jogged in this direction because the gospels of Mark and later Luke and Mathew (apparently) were originally written in Greek.

Yep. Darwin was one of us. Couldn't you tell from his beard?
are you sure he wasn't just a goy wannabe, like marx was a wannabe goy.

What clause?

The constitution only contains the establishment clause, and the free exercise clause, neither of which have been "skewed". They just don't mean what some people would have them to mean.

"Separation of church and state" came from a phrase Jefferson used, holding no legal significance in and of itself.


Its something called "Judicial Review". Its a power the Supreme Court has. You'll learn about it in AP American History or, if you ever get to college, American Politics or American Government, depending on what the college calls it.

oh, and for good measure, he was gay, too! (but don't tell anyone otherwise evolution might suffer)
well jesus was gay too, and tt proved he wasn't a jew about 8 pages back remember.

Check. I know next to nothing about Greek dialects, so forgive the throbbing mass of ignorance. I think my memory got jogged in this direction because the gospels of Mark and later Luke and Mathew (apparently) were originally written in Greek.


The entire NT is written in Greek. In fact its the different colloquialisms that are used to tie authors together and prove that Paul actually wrote all the letters and such.

well jesus was gay too, and tt proved he wasn't a jew about 8 pages back remember.


And a Communist. And Jesus was a banker, and adhered to the teaching that puppies should be eaten.

are you sure he wasn't just a goy wannabe, like marx was a wannabe goy.

Could be. Of course, you also have to consider the disturbing similarities between Marx and Santa Claus.

http://www.econ.duke.edu/Economists/Gifs/Marx.gif

http://home.concepts-ict.nl/~kay/pics/steiff/santa.jpg

Coincidence? I think not. Also note the use of red as identification is common to both.

There's been some preliminary research done on this, but we're still working on getting proper grant money. The results could shatter the very fabric of academia.

I like the way you think. Apparently Lincoln got a lot of votes because of his beard. The power is in the facial hair.

How does this apply to Hitler then? His mustache is pretty famous.

Thank you. The Lincoln deal is a good point. Hitler though...he over came the stupid mustache with the way he yelled, and used strobe lighting.

well jesus was gay too, and tt proved he wasn't a jew about 8 pages back remember.

Uh huh. This belongs in a previous thread a while back where someone said that the gospel writers didn't really write their own gospels.

Oh, and there I was thinking that he had had sex with Mary Magdalene and they had a child and so forth (at least that's what Dan Brown tells me!) My mistake. He was gay, then, and not sleeping with the prostitute? fair enough

Thank you. The Lincoln deal is a good point. Hitler though...he over came the stupid mustache with the way he yelled, and used strobe lighting.

Yeah. It's all about strobe lights when it comes to mass hypnosis!

Yeah. It's all about strobe lights when it comes to mass hypnosis!

And glow sticks. And Techno rock music. At least thats what Lynden Larouche said.

i would if he called himself mahammid or baha'u'llah
because he'd be a pacifist socialist but i don't think
most of the so called christians would because the're
the 'scribes and farasies' of today!

=^^=
.../\...

Oh, and there I was thinking that he had had sex with Mary Magdalene and they had a child and so forth (at least that's what Dan Brown tells me!) My mistake. He was gay, then, and not sleeping with the prostitute? fair enough

mm was just a serious fag hag, she was like, "i really like hang out with yazu he never tries to get into my robes like the other guys, and he's so caring and sensitive..."

And glow sticks. And Techno rock music. At least thats what Lynden Larouche said.

OK. Now I'm calling bullshit. Germans have good music, sure. But no way was Hitler cool enough to have glow sticks! I demand photographic evidence!


I will, however, count MS Paint drawings as photographic evidence.

well jesus was gay too, and tt proved he wasn't a jew about 8 pages back remember.

If by "proved", you mean "said".

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7161926&postcount=29

The modern day Jew is a descendant of the Khazars, an Asiatic Eastern European kingdom that issued mass conversions to Talmudic Judaism around the 9th century Anno Domini.

Yeah, the degree of documentation there is simply... astounding.

Well, documentation is subjective. If you count sweeping statements such as "there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq" as documentation, then lo and behold! 9th century sounds fine to me!

If by "proved", you mean "said".

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7161926&postcount=29



Yeah, the degree of documentation there is simply... astounding.


yeah but i already established several pages back that "proof" and "documentation" are just khazar trickes to confuse the enlightened. so there.:p

Am I allowed to ask... who the hell are the Khazar? Am I just really thick?

Am I allowed to ask... who the hell are the Khazar? Am I just really thick?

A mix of different races, but essentially a nomadic people based in the Russian steppes that were squished by the Mongols and disappeared into the Muscovite as they rose against the Golden Horde.

Am I allowed to ask... who the hell are the Khazar? Am I just really thick?
the khazars were a central asian group, some of whom converted to judaism in the 9th century. some people use this conversion to argue that modern jews are ethnically descended from these people and not the ancient hebrews.

the khazars were a central asian group, some of whom converted to judaism in the 9th century. some people use this conversion to argue that modern jews are ethnically descended from these people and not the ancient hebrews.

Except its debatable how many actually converted to Judaism and even if they did if there race even survived the Mongol invasion. The Mongols had a nasty habit of killing everyone and everything in front of them.

Stupid Judeo-Satanist be damned!
Cease your blasphemy against Christ, the White people, and all things good, demon!
What a sad person you truly are. If there is a heaven, it has not got you in it.

This, in enlightened circles, is known as "ethnic cleansing" and suggests cleaning all that is dirty, such as jews, chrisitians, anyone who wasn't mongolian...

Some info on the Khazars, from Khazaria.com:

http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-diaspora.html

PART 5. Conclusions

From a very early time the Khazars were a diverse and generally tolerant people. A kagan's mobilization from the early days of the Khazar kingdom indicates that there were people with all sorts of hairstyles, living quarters, and lifestyles in the country. But it would be a mistake to interpret the Islamic sources by arguing that the Khazars were not Jews. Rather, the inhabitants of Khazaria were of diverse origins - Iranians, Turks, Slavs, Greeks, Goths, and others - and we cannot expect them to have always followed the faith of the ruling Khazar tribe, because the Khazar king never forced the religion of Judaism upon them.

It seems that after the fall of their kingdom, the Khazars adopted the Cyrillic script in place of Hebrew and began to speak East Slavic (sometimes called "Canaanic" because Benjamin of Tudela called Kievan Rus the "Land of Canaan"). These Slavic-speaking Jews are documented to have lived in Kievan Rus during the 11th-13th centuries. However, Yiddish-speaking Jewish immigrants from the west (especially Germany, Bohemia, and other areas of Central Europe) soon began to flood into Eastern Europe, and it is believed that these newer immigrants eventually outnumbered the Khazars. Thus, Eastern European Jews predominantly have ancestors who came from Central Europe rather than from the Khazar kingdom. The two groups (eastern and western Jews) intermarried over the centuries. This idea is not new. In a footnote in Chapter 2 of History of the Jews in Russia and Poland Volume 1 (English translation, 1916), the great Ashkenazic historian Simon Dubnow writes: "It is quite possible that there was an admixture of settlers from the Khazar kingdom, from the Crimea, and from the Orient in general, who were afterwards merged with the western element." (page 39).

The Ashkenazi Jews are also the direct descendants of the Israelites. Genetic tests seem to indicate that Jewish ancestry largely comes from the regions known today as Turkey, Armenia, Israel, and Iraq. Mediterranean Fever, for example, is found among some Ashkenazi Jews as well as Armenians and Anatolian Turks. Many Ashkenazi men who belong to the priestly caste (Kohenim) possess the "Cohan modal haplotype" (CMH) on the Y-chromosome. While not exclusive to Jews, the CMH is found mostly in peoples from the north-eastern Mediterranean region (and, incidentally, among Palestinian Arabs), and its distribution supports the claim that Jews who have the CMH have an ancestral line from the Middle East. A genetics study released in May 2000, led by Michael Hammer, contends that the results show that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to Yemenite Jews, Iraqi Jews, Sephardic Jews, Kurdish Jews, and Arabs than they are to European Christian populations, and that hardly any intermarriage or conversion has occurred to affect the Jewish groups over the centuries. A study the following year by Ariella Oppenheim et al. showed why it is important to include multitudes of comparisons between ethnic groups; Hammer had failed to test Kurds and any Slavic group other than Russians, whereas Oppenheim's team did so and therefore came to somewhat different conclusions. But, in general, evidence from both studies is strong that most Ashkenazic Jews descend from Judeans in their paternal lineages. DFNB1, a genetic mutation causing deafness, affects Jews as well as Palestinians and other Mediterranean populations, according to research by Dr. Aravinda Chakravarti. A particular mutation that causes coagulation factor XI deficiency is found among both Iraqi Jews and Ashkenazi Jews, from a common ancient ancestor over 2000 years ago. Discussions and summaries of genetic evidence are here.

The population geneticist Nathaniel Michael Pearson worked with the Human Genome Project a few years ago and helped to collect DNA samples from North Caucasians, Turks, Sino-Tibetans, and other groups. Pearson is of Ukrainian Jewish background and compared his paternal Y-chromosome sample to those of men from other groups. His DNA matched with an Uzbekistani Uzbek, an Uzbekistani Tajik, and two men from New Delhi in northern India. Pearson believes that the Central Asian haplotype he has could be connected to the Khazar Turks. However, he told me that this haplotype "appears at only a couple percent frequency in a large Ashkenazi sample (and strangely shows a slightly higher, but still very low, frequency among Moroccan Jews)". In other words, this particular possibly-Khazar ancestral strain represents a minority rather than a majority of Eastern European Jews. And while maternal DNA (mtDNA) studies have shown substantial links between Ashkenazi Jews and the peoples of Europe, these non-Israelite inputs into the Ashkenazi genepool still do not represent the majority of total maternal and paternal Ashkenazi ancestry, and probably only some of these European inputs come from Khazar women.

Additional, more comprehensive genetic testing may help us to understand the extent of any Khazar contribution to the Ashkenazi gene pool. For now, I can point out that the Israelite traces among the East European Jews came from three sources: (1) Sephardic Jews fleeing Spain and Portugal and resettling in Lithuania and Poland, (2) Roman Jews, and from (3) Khazarian Jews who merged with Israelites, just as the Schechter Letter states "they became one people". The Khazars and the Israelites mixed with each other.

Are all Jews around the world descended from the Khazars? Certainly not. East European Jewish ancestry originates substantially from ancient Judea, and the same is true of most other modern Jewish populations (with the exception of groups like Libyan Jews and Ethiopian Jews). But, it is rational to conclude that some Jews also have some Khazar ancestors.

Kevin Alan Brook is the author of The Jews of Khazaria, the most recent general history of the Khazars in English, and the article "The Origins of East European Jews" in Russian History/Histoire Russe volume 30, numbers 1-2 (Spring-Summer 2003), pages 1-22.

Except its debatable how many actually converted to Judaism and even if they did if there race even survived the Mongol invasion. The Mongols had a nasty habit of killing everyone and everything in front of them.

yeah it was a political conversion to avoid choosing sides with muslim and christian neighbors, i read it may have only been the royal family or only the nobility or perhaps more of the people its historically difficult to say.

Thanks for that. I am a better person this morning than I was yesterday! Anyways, it's breakfast time, so I am off. See you all soon!

First of all: Jesus would have a run for his money. http://www.dailykos.com/images/user/3/jesusbush.jpg

Secondly: why do you guys even argue with TT? This is a guy who seriously thinks that the Earth is the center of the universe. We're talking "fell out of the stupid tree while eating paint chips, hit every branch on the way down, and landed on his head" level here.

Funny thing: I'll bet $5 that he's really just some pasty kid living in his mom's basement.

Thirdly: Hitler's 'stach actually came from Chaplin. Hitler was a fan of the silver screen :p

Fourthly: If we're going by facial hair, Stalin pawns you all. Maybe he doesn't have as MUCH as others, but what he does have kicks ass. That's a true dictator 'stach right there.

Fourthly: If we're going by facial hair, Stalin pawns you all. Maybe he doesn't have as MUCH as others, but what he does have kicks ass. That's a true dictator 'stach right there.

sadaam was always trying for that uber manly mustache but never quite made it, he was definitely modelling his whole look on uncle joe.

sadaam was always trying for that uber manly mustache but never quite made it, he was definitely modelling his whole look on uncle joe.

The History Channel says that he considered Stalin his idol. Which explains not just the mustache (which he also seems to have imposed on everybody in the Iraqi military), but also the weird-ass "military-casual" clothes he liked to wear.

I mean, seriously. A pea-green uniform-sweater? Ugh. Should be shot for crimes against fashion.

Yeah don't put too much value into the History Channel. We historians (though technically I'm still in training, alas) make fun of it a lot. Its kinda a joke around the department.

Yeah don't put too much value into the History Channel. We historians (though technically I'm still in training, alas) make fun of it a lot. Its kinda a joke around the department.

Heh. I can see that. Apparently the History Channel had a feature about Rome: Total War. Now don't get me wrong, it's a wonderful computer game! But there's no way it's historically accurate to a professional degree.

Yeah don't put too much value into the History Channel. We historians (though technically I'm still in training, alas) make fun of it a lot. Its kinda a joke around the department.
we call it "Our" channel around the table at the national socialist potluck dinners, cuz so much of it revolves around us!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL no not at all, though the little computer animated guys on there "decisive battles" or whatever its called show are kinda cool.

History Channel: All Nazis, all the time.

nietzsche had a crazy moustache... he wasn't a political leader though, but since everyone was talking about facial hair.

hey, maybe that's why so few women get elected, we don't really grow any. hmm.

anyways, i'm out for the night. tah!

Yeah don't put too much value into the History Channel. We historians (though technically I'm still in training, alas) make fun of it a lot. Its kinda a joke around the department.

Why ? What's wrong with the History Channel ?

This thread started as an innocent jesus for president thread...my baby is now dead.

Im thinking no...Seperation of church and state? Hell, the Right would probably call him too socialist to run...

dude, you're talking about handing over leadership of the American government to a guy who thinks he's got magical powers and who thinks the best way to resolve the conflict between God's laws and human errors is for him to be tortured to death, and your biggest concern is SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?! Jesus advocates worship of a diety who is supposedly all-good and all-powerful, yet which cannot figure any better way to resolve this conflict than to have its son tortured to death...do you really want somebody that crazy running America? with the number of nukes we've got laying about?!

Jesus was clearly mentally ill. now, i know we have all lowered our standards of mental competancy over the last four years, but i think we at least need to require that our candidates not be full-on babbling lunatics. Bush at least can restrain his delusions enough to put forth a semi-reasonable front, but i somehow doubt that a self-professed zombie demigod will be able to maintain himself similarly.

I really don't believe in jesus...

just for the record.. communism suX!.. it shouldn't be fair that you work 60 hours a week in a large industrial company, and that you get just as much as people who work 20 hours a week at that same company.. and Religion should stay seperated from politics. after all, politics isn't a place for people who worship one man. That's Too dangerous.

I'd probably vote for Jesus (even though he doesn't want me for a sunbeam) by sheer virtue of the fact that I'd vote for anyone who isn't Bush. Besides, it'd be cool if he kept doin' that whole 'water-into-wine' thing. Although I'm not sure I could stand all that preaching all the time.

Besides, wouldn't he just be a puppet? If Jesus was sent to Earth to do God's good work, than surely it's just God pulling the strings. It also might turn into one hell of a dictatorship - can you imagine God smiting anyone who disagreed? ;)

lol and btw.. BOTTLE RULEZZ!

Well, Jesus would have a though time since he couldnt enter any govornment buildings, seperation of church and state :P
Of course, I think that the whole thing would be kinda void at the point that Jesus runs for office >_<

I don't think he could run... First of all people with the "messiah-complex", as psychologists call it, are not fit for that kind of work.

Also, I don't think foreigners can run for presidency over there.

Jesus was a liberial, so sure I'd vote for him. Actually Jesus was a communist in ways, if you good anti-communist Bush lovers ever read the bible.

Jesus is the Man. Or maybe..the God. I dunno.

But Hell, he would rock as President. Feed the whole country with one slice of bread!
Serve an 8 year term where American currency becomes worth twice as much as GBP.
Makes a happy communist society with the highest living standard on Earth.

Yay.

To hell with Kerry and Bush!

VOTE JESUS

I guess Jesus would be a little out of touch anyways...I pretty damn sure that they didn't have iPods back in his day... ;)

I and the Father are one.
The Jews then took up stones to stone him. Iesus answered them: Many good works I have shewed you from my Father; for which of these works do you stone me?
~ Iohannem X: XXX-XXXII

Joseph was obviously a very good father.

They'd have to pass that amendment that says you don't have to be born in America to be President.

They're trying to push that through for Ahnold, anyway.

That'd be a heck of an election, though, wouldn't it?

Jesus vs. Ahnold.

Gotta wonder how you'd run as a Republican against Jesus, though.

"My esteemed opponent doesn't bring enough Christian values to the office."

Driving out moneychangers- check
Open to all ethnicities and genders and social classes- check
Likes to eat and drink - check
Comforts the afflicted and afflicts the comfortable - check
Wise - check
No party affiliation - check
Miracle cure for public health care? - check!
Antiwar ("Put away your sword") - check
Honest - check
No big eg0 - check
Nobody goes hungry - check
But everybody has work to do - check
Anti hypocrisy and bigotry - check


I'd vote for him in a flash. But Dumbya's Republicans wouldn't because this guy is obvious not "Christian" enough!

Im thinking no...Seperation of church and state? Hell, the Right would probably call him too socialist to run...

Yeah, the whole church-state thing would get in the way. And why would he want to be President, he's already King.

Hell yeah, I'd love to have Jesus run, that commie would get ripped to shreds by the neocons.

That's one of my favorite anomolies of religion, that Christians by and large ignore the teachings of Jesus

dude, you're talking about handing over leadership of the American government to a guy who thinks he's got magical powers and who thinks the best way to resolve the conflict between God's laws and human errors is for him to be tortured to death, and your biggest concern is SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?! Jesus advocates worship of a diety who is supposedly all-good and all-powerful, yet which cannot figure any better way to resolve this conflict than to have its son tortured to death...do you really want somebody that crazy running America? with the number of nukes we've got laying about?!

Jesus was clearly mentally ill. now, i know we have all lowered our standards of mental competancy over the last four years, but i think we at least need to require that our candidates not be full-on babbling lunatics. Bush at least can restrain his delusions enough to put forth a semi-reasonable front, but i somehow doubt that a self-professed zombie demigod will be able to maintain himself similarly.

Give us honest Christians a break for once. Jesus did not ask to be worshipped. He said: "Why do you call me good?" He wanted people to be true to their original intention, their reason for being. That's a good thing.
He did NOT want to die! Let alone be tortured to death! That happened because people are full of crap and love to bite the hand the feeds them and can't stand not having control over everything and this guy was not under their control. He told a parable about workers in the vinyard. The workers were the Israelites, the Vinyard was Israel. The workers kept trying to take over the vinyard and dispossess the owner (God). The owner kept sending messengers to shape up the worker but they were ignored, or beaten, expelled or killed. Finally the owner sent his own son. Not to kill him! But to shape up the people! He thought "surely they will listen to HIM."- but they killed him instead. NOT part of God's plan, apparently, at least according to the guy who told the parable (Jesus).

As far as nukes are concerned, Jesus did say "put away your sword."

Here is from the Christianity article in About.com:
In the New Testament, Jesus warned that those who “live by the sword will die by the sword.” He also counseled against behaviors that are based on a desire for retaliation or revenge, and he instructed his disciples to extend love of neighbor even toward one’s enemy: "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person.” And: “You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. (Matthew 5:38ff)

You're such a styuckup knowitall. You might have some Christian friends if you didn't treat us all like ignorant rednecks.

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Im thinking no...Seperation of church and state? Hell, the Right would probably call him too socialist to run...
I agree but for a different reason. The United States Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 states:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President...
"JC" as Chris Rock referred to Him in the movie "Dogma," was born in Bethlehem, therefore, by this clause, is ineligible.

Well, I'm sure everyone can tell by my log in name that yes of course I'd vote for the King of kings but I bet he'd be real unhappy about running for a political office. JC put very little value on earthly power.

You know it makes sence.

Ok kids, let's have thinking time! *turns on giant computer screen that is focused on a computer with this thread on it* If you zoom out *zooms out to the Earth at average Moon distance*, you find that people don't look so big anymore. Let's zoom out even more! *zooms out to the pale blue dot picture* http://www.bigskyastroclub.org/images/pbd_sm.jpg That dot is the Earth. So then, still think you chaps are so special that you get your own god that cares only about you? Let's zoom way out! *rapid zoom, you see the galaxy* Spot Sol. Spot the Earth. This is a small distance on the scale of the Universe. If you still think we are so special that we get our own god(s) and as a derivative their sons/daughters, you need to see a psychiatrist or better yet the Total Perspective Matrix.
I wouldn't vote for a dillusional claiming to be the son of an unexisting god. Sure, Jesus had some good ideas but that's it for the good stuff. I would vote for Diogenes, or Karl Marx. Mental stability helps in elections.

I would. Jesus was a long haired hippie. One of the Gospels sound like a communistic track. :) Besides, I'd be too afraid of going to hell to not vote for him. ;)

Here's the big question: If Jesus became President, would Saint Mel of Gibson finally shut up?

I'd vote no, He has better things to do.

I don't know if anyone else on this thread has brought this up, but Jesus couldn't run for President even if he wanted to, not only 'cause he's been dead for two millennia, which pretty much rules out a career in politics, but mostly 'cause he's not an American citizen.

I would vote for him (if I was living in the USA) even if I'm not christian, but I seriously doubt he would enter a political party :D

A dark skinned, Muslim president?

Sounds good to me.

I have a feeling Jesus would never run for President in the first place.

Yeah, I tend to second that. "My kingdom is not from this world" , you know (or however you translate that in english)

A dark skinned, Muslim president?

Sounds good to me.... to me, too. A dark skinned, female, liberal Muslim president - that would rock...

As far as nukes are concerned, Jesus did say "put away your sword."

Here is from the Christianity article in About.com:
In the New Testament, Jesus warned that those who “live by the sword will die by the sword.” He also counseled against behaviors that are based on a desire for retaliation or revenge, and he instructed his disciples to extend love of neighbor even toward one’s enemy: "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person.” And: “You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. (Matthew 5:38ff)

Your conception of Jesus seems somewhat selective and over-simplistic. Certainly the passages you mentioned exist in the text. But so do these:

Jesus speaking:

-"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." -Matthew 10:34

- "And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death"- Mark 7:9-10

- "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."- Mark 9:43-48

- "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes."- Luke 12:46-47

The Apostles have their less-than-stellar moments, as well:

Peter advocates the death of non-Christians: "And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet [Jesus], shall be destroyed from among the people."- Acts 3:23

Paul advocates the death of homosexuals: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet... Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."- Romans 1:26- 1-27; 1:31- 32

More from Paul, people ignorant of God would be "avenged" through fire: "And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power"- Thessalonians, 1: 7-9

There's also a fair amount of warfare language in Revelations.

I support capital punishment. But I don't support capital punishment for stupid reasons:
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Brats
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
I also don't support rape:
(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
Or slavery (http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm), human (http://www.evilbible.com/Ritual_Human_Sacrifice.htm) sacrifice (http://www.freewebs.com/see_the_truth/Human%20Sacrifice%20and%20the%20Bible.html) and many other hoprrible things that Jesus supported (http://www.evilbible.com/what_would_jesus_do.htm).

He also follows a book with over 1 500 contradictions (http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm). That and he is a sinful (http://www.freewebs.com/see_the_truth/sinning%5Fnazarene.html) ass hole, despite suposedly being a man of God. The institution he created is a corrupt, mass murdering intolerant organisation.

For these reasons, anyone who would vote for Jesus is a total idiot and should be shot.

On an unrelated note Jesus was also shameful to his own religion!
And no razor shall come on his head; for the child shall be a
Nazarite unto God from the womb.
- Judges 8:5

Doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man hath long
hair, it is a shame unto him?
- I Corinthians 6:14

Im thinking no...Seperation of church and state? Hell, the Right would probably call him too socialist to run...
Separation of church and state, not God and state.

No, I doubt that Jesus' "total redistribution of wealth" and "tolerance" would play well with America's right-wing majority.

Jesus - No
Allah - No
Moses - No
Buddha - No
Quezacotal - Fuck yeah...