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U.S. Warns of Big Mount St. Helens Blast

Tuesday Heights
03-10-2004, 01:39
By PEGGY ANDERSEN, Associated Press Writer

SEATTLE - Government scientists raised the alert level Saturday for Mount St. Helens after its second steam eruption in two days was followed by a powerful tremor. They said the next eruption was imminent or in progress, and could threaten life and property in the remote area near the volcano.

Hundreds of visitors at the building closest to the volcano — Johnston Ridge Observatory five miles away — were asked to leave. They went quickly to their cars and drove away, with some relocating several miles north to Coldwater Ridge Visitors Center, which officials said was safe.

The volcano alert of Mount St. Helens was raised to Level 3, which "indicates we feel an eruption is imminent, or is in progress," said U.S. Geological Survey (news - web sites) geologist Tom Pierson from the observatory. He said Saturday afternoon that an explosion probably would happen within the next 24 hours.

Pierson said the volcano has released more seismic energy since quake activity began Sept. 23 than it has at any point since its devastating May 18, 1980, eruption, which killed 57 people and coated much of the Northwest with ash. But scientists expect the impending eruption to be much smaller than the 1980 blast.

A day after the volcano spewed a plume of steam and ash thousands of feet into the air, there was a very brief steam release Saturday — a puff of white cloud, followed by a dust-raising landslide in the crater. A volcanic tremor signal that came next was what prompted the heightened alert level.

The signal "was far stronger after today's steam eruption" than the tremor that followed Friday's blast, Steele said. "We were picking it up throughout western Washington and into central Oregon. Yesterday we had a very weak tremor signal."

A tremor — a steady vibration — "indicates movement of gases or fluid within the volcano," Steele said, while individual earthquakes indicate "a pounding and breaking of rock."

Saturday's tremor lasted about an hour before it was drowned out by a series of earthquakes — one or two a minute, with a maximum magnitude of "well over 2," said Tom Yelin, a USGS (news - web sites) seismologist at the UW lab in Seattle.

Interior Secretary Gale Norton, who flew over the mountain Saturday, said the seismic activity has weakened the 1,000-foot lava dome that began forming in the volcano's crater after the 1980 eruption.

Norton said the chances of an eruption or lava flow have increased, and that the volcano most likely will see moderate ash eruptions.

"The greatest concern at this point is an ash plume and the spread of ash itself that might come from an explosion," Norton said. "This is a concern for aircraft travel."

The growing consensus among scientists is that new magma is probably entering the volcano's upper levels, possibly bringing with it volatile gases that could lead to eruptions, said Bill Steele at the University of Washington's seismic laboratory in Seattle.

Explosions from the crater could occur without warning, possibly throwing rock onto the flanks of the volcano, the USGS said in a news release. Still, scientists said the evacuation of the observatory was primarily a precaution in case of heavy ash discharge, which could make it difficult to drive.

"We still feel the risk is confined to this area," Pierson said.

No communities are near Mount St. Helens; the closest, Toutle, is 30 miles west.

The 1980 blast obliterated the top 1,300 feet of the volcano, devastated miles of forest and buried the North Fork of the Toutle River in debris and ash as much as 600 feet deep.

The latest seismic activity "probably just reflects the fact that more rock needs to be broken for magma to reach the surface," said geologist Dan Dzurisin at the U.S. Geological Survey's Cascades Volcanic Observatory in Vancouver, Wash., about 50 miles south.

The 1980 eruption reamed open the route to the surface, and for six years smaller eruptions piled lava into the massive dome that marks the main conduit for magma. Friday's relatively small eruption, which generated a plume of ash and smoke 16,000 feet high, was the first since a 1986 dome-building event at the volcano.

Scientists had believed the recent flurry of shallow earthquakes may reflect movement of magma that came up the volcano's pipe during a 1998 swarm of quakes, but Pierson said Saturday's activity suggested at least some new magma was involved, making a larger explosion more likely.

Air sampling had detected only tiny amounts of the volcanic gases that new magma produces, but scientists said the gases could be sealed inside the system or have been dissolved by water on the mountain. The volcano holds a 600-foot-deep glacier and has received several inches of rain recently.

Melting of the glacier could trigger debris flows down onto the barren pumice plain at the foot of the mountain, the USGS said, noting a "very low probability" that downstream communities would be affected.

Few people live near the mountain, the centerpiece of the Mount St. Helens National Volcanic Monument in the Gifford Pinchot National Forest about 100 miles south of Seattle. The closest structure is the observatory, five miles away.

Source: Yahoo! News (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=1&u=/ap/20041003/ap_on_re_us/mount_st__helens)

Maybe, it's just me, but the US always seems to downplay some natural disasters within our country... this type being one of them.

I knew something much bigger was coming even though most network news channels and newspapers were touting the spouting of ash as being the aftermath of the small termors, and now, the eruption is being touted as something much, much larger than anticipated.
Gigatron
03-10-2004, 01:41
Gods message to the US: You are screwing up ;)
Ganjaphoria
03-10-2004, 02:05
I am sitting about 250 mile downwind from St. Helens as I write this.
First it's just gonna be a little puff, and we're smart enouph to evacuate.
Ignorance must truely be bliss, Did it ever occur to you that America is Gods message to the rest of the world? Or do you think that we are the worlds only remaining superpower by accident? Was the fire bombing of Dresden "Gods punishment to the german people" Or did you're idiotic leader pick a fight he couldn't win? None of us are perfect, it's how we deal with our inperfections that count.
P.S. I wonder how many of MY tax dollars go to prop up and militarily defend YOUR government? Giving you both the freedom and the right to spew uneducated propaganda against MY GREAT NATION!! :cool: :sniper:
Tuesday Heights
03-10-2004, 02:14
Wow, Ganjaphoria, we live in the same nation, and you're threatening the same taxes I pay, the same military I fund, and my right at freedom of speech to point out the ignorance of America.
Gigatron
03-10-2004, 02:36
I am sitting about 250 mile downwind from St. Helens as I write this.
First it's just gonna be a little puff, and we're smart enouph to evacuate.
Ignorance must truely be bliss, Did it ever occur to you that America is Gods message to the rest of the world? Or do you think that we are the worlds only remaining superpower by accident? Was the fire bombing of Dresden "Gods punishment to the german people" Or did you're idiotic leader pick a fight he couldn't win? None of us are perfect, it's how we deal with our inperfections that count.
P.S. I wonder how many of MY tax dollars go to prop up and militarily defend YOUR government? Giving you both the freedom and the right to spew uneducated propaganda against MY GREAT NATION!! :cool: :sniper:
America is the Scourge of the world. Not only, but the bully and oppressor. That is what I see. Gods message to the world.. haha... give me a break.
Tuesday Heights
03-10-2004, 02:45
America is the Scourge of the world. Not only, but the bully and oppressor. That is what I see. Gods message to the world.. haha... give me a break.

God does not play sides with the countries of the world; He loves all equally and unapologetically.
Uginin
03-10-2004, 02:46
So... anyway... what about that volcano folks?
Erastide
03-10-2004, 02:50
Grr... I missed the 1st one because I wasn't born yet and now I get to miss the 2nd one because I've moved. :rolleyes: I want to see Mt. St. Helens have an actual eruption. Or at least throw up some ash. It's not like it's going to blow out its side again, it's already done that.
Ganjaphoria
03-10-2004, 02:52
America is the Scourge of the world. Not only, but the bully and oppressor. That is what I see. Gods message to the world.. haha... give me a break.

Did not answer my question did you??
Probably because you CAN'T!!
Gigatron
03-10-2004, 02:59
Did not answer my question did you??
Probably because you CAN'T!!
Answer what? How many of your tax dollars are spent to defend my country? None. Germany does not need to be defended. From what? Communism? The Soviet Union? Lolmao.
Kybernetia
03-10-2004, 03:02
God does not play sides with the countries of the world; He loves all equally and unapologetically.
Well God "fought" on all sides in all wars - so he always wins.
Anyway: it is a blunder to use the name of the almighty for it - on the other hand: words are hardly fought by pure atheists - except you have a pseudo-relgious ideology like communism.
Patriotism and relgious believes often mix together. Nothing special to the US. Though the US are much more patriotic and religious than most countries in Old Europe.
Probably it is actually easier for the US to come one day to an agreement with the muslim world - after the radicals are pulled down. After all: religious people have more in common than religious people and atheists. And Europe is moving in the latter direction. That leds to a situation where we are not even able to communicate with our Arab neighbours since religion is not important for us but everything for them.
US and the Arab world could form this beginig: The 21 rst century is going to be the one of religions or it won´t be - like a French scientist said in the 1970s said, even before Huntington. And at that time the rift was deeping which has now developed over decades. And it hasn´t reached its peak yet. We are standing at least for the next 20-30 years for a period of destability,wars and terrorism since that is the time were the population growth and the social problems are going to peak in the Arab world.
Kybernetia
03-10-2004, 03:06
Answer what? How many of your tax dollars are spent to defend my country? None. Germany does not need to be defended. From what? Communism? The Soviet Union? Lolmao.
It needs to be defended from Islamism and rogue states who may could pose a threat to us: like Iran for example which has weapons which reach till Europe and which can hit our cities and which is developing nuclear weapons.
And Iraq was a threat till 1991 when the US kicked it out of Kuwait. Germany gave 15 billion for it anyway. And we will have to pay for the reconstruction of Iraq now as well. There is no way around it. We don´t have an interests that Iraq ends in chaos. Iraq is closer to Germany than it is to the US. We can´t turn a blind eye to the developments in the Arab world (rise of islamic fundamentalism).
Gigatron
03-10-2004, 03:10
It needs to be defended from Islamism and rogue states who may could pose a threat to us: like Iran for example which has weapons which reach till Europe and which can hit our cities and which is developing nuclear weapons.
And Iraq was a threat till 1991 when the US kicked it out of Kuwait. Germany gave 15 billion for it anyway. And we will have to pay for the reconstruction of Iraq now as well. There is no way around it. We don´t have an interests that Iraq ends in chaos. Iraq is closer to Germany than it is to the US. We can´t turn a blind eye to the developments in the Arab world (rise of islamic fundamentalism).
Nonsense. Bye Kybernetia. I'm tired of your idiotic propaganda everywhere. Welcome on my ignore list aswell.
Kybernetia
03-10-2004, 03:15
Nonsense. Bye Kybernetia. I'm tired of your idiotic propaganda everywhere. Welcome on my ignore list aswell.
thanks. But the reality will show that you are wrong. We are going to see more terrorism. And the threat is real although you chose to ignore it. Ignoring the reality is not going to change it.
MoeHoward
03-10-2004, 03:24
Nonsense. Bye Kybernetia. I'm tired of your idiotic propaganda everywhere. Welcome on my ignore list aswell.

Wow, ignore list! You are a tough one!! BTW you Germans got your sausage and kraut eating butts completely destroyed. The greatest military defeat in history. So I understand why you're a pansy.

Nice home town. (http://www.knuetter.com/travels/europe/dresden03.jpg)
Gigatron
03-10-2004, 03:27
Wow, ignore list! You are a tough one!! BTW you Germans got your sausage and kraut eating butts completely destroyed. The greatest military defeat in history. So I understand why you're a pansy.

Nice home town. (http://www.knuetter.com/travels/europe/dresden03.jpg)
And you're proud of the atrocities the US/UK did in WW2 to German civilians? You disgust me. Welcome to the (by now lengthy) ignore list.
Kybernetia
03-10-2004, 03:38
Wow, ignore list! You are a tough one!! BTW you Germans got your sausage and kraut eating butts completely destroyed. The greatest military defeat in history.
The greatest: well many countries have warred and won and lost and everything. Carhage was defeated by Rome and ended to exist as a nation.
Japan is today the second largest economy and Germany the third largest.
So -everything rebuild. Rebuild from ruins like phoenix does out of the ashes.
Slap Happy Lunatics
03-10-2004, 04:42
Thread hijackers aside Tuesday, thanks for the posting.

I tend to agree with what you say about the tendencey to play down events and their possible outcomes. It must be part stoicism and part John Wayne bravado. However I think the comparison here is to the 1980 eruption.

I was around for that one. The ash cloud so permeated the upper atmosphere that the sunsets in NYC were a beautiful orange for several days.
Ganjaphoria
03-10-2004, 05:15
Answer what? How many of your tax dollars are spent to defend my country? None. Germany does not need to be defended. From what? Communism? The Soviet Union? Lolmao.
Had the US not entered WWII You would Either be a good little brown shirt or a lampshade. Laugh away but the FACT remains that you would either be subjugated, an evil oppressor, or DEAD :headbang:
Ganjaphoria
03-10-2004, 05:21
Thread hijackers aside Tuesday, thanks for the posting.

I tend to agree with what you say about the tendencey to play down events and their possible outcomes. It must be part stoicism and part John Wayne bravado. However I think the comparison here is to the 1980 eruption.

I was around for that one. The ash cloud so permeated the upper atmosphere that the sunsets in NYC were a beautiful orange for several days.
I live in Washington, I heard the BOOM, felt the shake and had my house buried in ash for days. I just dont think there's enouph mountain left to do that again. :confused:
Slap Happy Lunatics
03-10-2004, 06:30
Perhaps it wasn't all just mountain but also a mixture of the gases and the molten materials that blasted out of there. As large as MSH was, the volume of material that was spewed out far exceeded the mass of the mountain.

I certainly hope that this is not another example of the feds playing it down but is in fact a relatively minor matter. I wish you and your fellow Washingtonians all the best for a peaceful existence, uninterrupted by such a disaster.

PS - Ash is such a pain to clean up, isn't it? I had the experience a few years back with material the consistencey of talcum powder. It got into everything.
Audio Assault
03-10-2004, 06:34
How exciting... I live a couple of hours NW of that Mountain!! I missed the 1980 eruption 'cuz I wasn't born just yet. Have any of you seen pics of Mt. St. Helens, circa 1979? Just a beautiful mountain! I don't St. Helens is all that big a deal though... Now if Mt. Rainier were to do the same thing...HOLY $#!+!!! That would be a helluva sight!!
Penguinista
03-10-2004, 06:36
Glad I live roughly 200 or so miles away from it.