The Patriot Act
Sabejias
02-10-2004, 23:53
The Patriot Act seems to be a wonderful law to stop terrorism, but in fact, a lot of what has been happening with it is unconstitutional.
If some Arab were to check out a book on bombs from the library (say, to figure out how to make a perfectly bombproof house or some sort of bomb detector for airports) he would be liable for arrest. He might spend two or three years in jail without seeing a lawyer or even knowing why he's there.
Soon, it will be un for repeal or renew. I'm curious to see who votes for its renewal, and who votes for its repeal.
Superpower07
02-10-2004, 23:58
"Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin
Glinde Nessroe
03-10-2004, 00:00
"Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin
You mean like red necks buying guns, or just arabs?
Superpower07
03-10-2004, 00:03
You mean like red necks buying guns, or just arabs?
Neither - please don't pervert my quote like that; I mean that those who would accept Patriot in the name of protecting themselves are really cheating themselves of their Freedom
Incertonia
03-10-2004, 00:10
Significant portions of it have already been overturned as unconstitutional, but I'd still rather let it expire or be repealed completely. After all, judges have been known to make some wacky decisions in the past.
Neo Kyushu
03-10-2004, 00:12
I wouldn't say it needs to be repealed, we should keep it, but revise it and sort of fix the problems.
Tumaniia
03-10-2004, 00:13
The germans got used to gestapo. So you'll have no problem with this...
Neo Kyushu
03-10-2004, 00:15
The germans got used to gestapo. So you'll have no problem with this...
Heh heh.
Superpower07
03-10-2004, 00:17
The germans got used to gestapo. So you'll have no problem with this...
There's a bit of a difference between Nazi Germany and the present day US . . . .
Neo Kyushu
03-10-2004, 00:24
There's a bit of a difference between Nazi Germany and the present day US . . . .
Yeah, we don't speak German!!!
Just kidding Superpower, I agree with you completely. Just had to be a smartass.
Pantylvania
03-10-2004, 00:49
John Kerry wants to repeal about 5% of it. The Bush campaign says this means he supports it and opposes it at the same time
Tenete Traditiones
03-10-2004, 00:52
The PATRIOT Act is the first step in the establishment of true Jewish oligarchy by silencing all opposition, eliminating the remnants of the Constitution that keeps them secret. On the other hand, that Arab in your example shouldn't be in the USA in the first place.
TheOneRule
03-10-2004, 00:54
The PATRIOT Act is the first step in the establishment of true Jewish oligarchy by silencing all opposition, eliminating the remnants of the Constitution that keeps them secret. On the other hand, that Arab in your example shouldn't be in the USA in the first place.
Im not sure you could be any more wrong if you tried to be. I think you could make more sense if you tried though... food for thought.
And why should that "Arab" not be in the US in the first place?
Incertonia
03-10-2004, 00:58
Im not sure you could be any more wrong if you tried to be. I think you could make more sense if you tried though... food for thought.
And why should that "Arab" not be in the US in the first place?Just ignore him, TheOneRule--he's a one-trick pony, and it's a pretty pathetic trick at that. You'll be unable to have a serious conversation with him no matter what you try.
Reaper and Church
03-10-2004, 01:00
Yay Ben Franklin.
I think it was rather sneaky to name the thing the "Patriot" act so everyone who's against it looks like they aren't patriotic, right when everyone was rabidly patriotic.
TheOneRule
03-10-2004, 01:03
Just ignore him, TheOneRule--he's a one-trick pony, and it's a pretty pathetic trick at that. You'll be unable to have a serious conversation with him no matter what you try.
As opposed to the serious conversations we've had? ;)
TheOneRule: You are a doo doo head Incertonia!!!
Incertonia: I know you are but what am I?!?
:p
Tenete Traditiones
03-10-2004, 01:06
Im not sure you could be any more wrong if you tried to be. I think you could make more sense if you tried though... food for thought.
And why should that "Arab" not be in the US in the first place?
Extreme leftist immigration from the ZOG....
Arabs belong in Arabia
Incertonia
03-10-2004, 01:07
As opposed to the serious conversations we've had? ;)
TheOneRule: You are a doo doo head Incertonia!!!
Incertonia: I know you are but what am I?!?
:pOh trust me. At least neither of us has ever dropped into "the Jews are going to take over the world" mode. :D
Siljhouettes
03-10-2004, 01:20
I think it should be renewed. It contains many good pieces of anti-terrorism legislation. The anti-freedom parts should removed. Keep the good bits.
Neo Kyushu
03-10-2004, 01:54
The PATRIOT Act is the first step in the establishment of true Jewish oligarchy by silencing all opposition, eliminating the remnants of the Constitution that keeps them secret. On the other hand, that Arab in your example shouldn't be in the USA in the first place.
Do you have nothing better to do other than blab anti-Jewish crap in every thread you go into to???
Superpower07
03-10-2004, 02:00
Do you have nothing better to do other than blab anti-Jewish crap in every thread you go into to???
Didn't you read the last part? He's now spewing anti-arab crap too!
*Orders the I.G.N.O.R.E. GunCannon batallion to fire warning shots at TT*
"Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin
Well said. The patriot act is an obvious violation of our liberties.