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1. He betrayed America's trust
2. He lied to America consecutivly
3. He looks like a monkey

I don't have any effort left to make a witty remark about the... stuff... about this thread.

Wait, I got one.

'That's only three dumbass.'

Not my best but, eh...

1. He betrayed America's trust
2. He lied to America consecutivly
3. He looks like a monkey
1.=Please give solid information, your interpretation is way to gay.
2.= Again, give facts, not your misunderstanding.
3.=I understand some look like a monkeys arse. But you have yet to validate your claims.

1.=Please give solid information, your interpretation is way to gay.
2.= Again, give facts, not your misunderstanding.
3.=I understand some look like a monkeys arse. But you have yet to validate your claims.
1. No, this is gay http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/south_park__bigger__longer___uncut/big_gay_al/al.jpg
Next time, please be sure you understand what you are saying.

2. Does "SADDAM HAS WMD AND HE'S GONNA USE EM ANYDAY NOW!" ring a bell? [/exaggeration]

3. http://www.boomspeed.com/omelette/captainn/bush_monkey.jpg

NEXT!

Not like I've never seen that pic a billion times before.

1. No, this is gay http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/south_park__bigger__longer___uncut/big_gay_al/al.jpg
Next time, please be sure you understand what you are saying.

2. Does "SADDAM HAS WMD AND HE'S GONNA USE EM ANYDAY NOW!" ring a bell? [/exaggeration]

3. http://www.boomspeed.com/omelette/captainn/bush_monkey.jpg

NEXT!

1.=Yep, thats gay alright. It won't load in firefox. I guess your in the M$ crowd.

2.=Yes, have you not kept up? They were shipped to Syria, geez, get with the program.

3.=I think you need this. http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-kerrylurch.htm

1.=Yep, thats gay alright. It won't load in firefox. I guess your in the M$ crowd.

2.=Yes, have you not kept up? They were shipped to Syria, geez, get with the program.

3.=I think you need this. http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-kerrylurch.htm

1. IE 6.0
2. Vote Bush/Cheney, 4 MORE WARS!
3. I find it much more soothing to find one example of Kerry as a munster, than over a dozen examples of Bush as a monkey. Besides, monkies < monsters

1.=Yep, thats gay alright. It won't load in firefox. I guess your in the M$ crowd.Loaded in my Firefox. You must of downloaded the retarded version on accident.

What the fuck is firefox

What the fuck is firefox
Web Browser.

Web Browser.

Why?

Why?
because sometimes, IE 6 just isn't enough for people. It's always MORE, MORE, MORE!

1. IE 6.0
2. Vote Bush/Cheney, 4 MORE WARS!
3. I find it much more soothing to find one example of Kerry as a munster, than over a dozen examples of Bush as a monkey. Besides, monkies < monsters
1.=Figures
2.=What are those 4 more wars? Can you name them?
3.=That's because we have little time to waste on dozens, one is all that's needed.

1.=Figures
2.=What are those 4 more wars? Can you name them?
3.=That's because we have little time to waste on dozens, one is all that's needed.
1. I'm too dependant on IE 6 to change
2. War on Syria
War on Iran
War on North Korea
and save another one for a random Asian country

3. NOPE!

Loaded in my Firefox. You must of downloaded the retarded version on accident.
Ja, I'm running 0.9.3, but I do have dial up.

This thread is gay

This thread is gay
It didn't turn out the way I expected. Thanks to unnamed individuals...

I feel like being an idiot
Fixed.

1. I'm too dependant on IE 6 to change
2. War on Syria
War on Iran
War on North Korea
and save another one for a random Asian country

3. NOPE!

OMG...We're at war with those countries??? I'm in the army and NOBODY TOLD ME!!!

It didn't turn out the way I expected. Thanks to unnamed individuals...Well, you did post Big Gay Al.

Well, you did post Big Gay Al.
good point...


umm....


+1

/Grim Reaper of Threads comes and takes this one away

It didn't turn out the way I expected. Thanks to unnamed individuals...
It's okay, we send you many cookies mit milch.

What's funny to me about WMDs is that if you rewind to before the Iraq invasion, EVERYONE believe they had them, the dispute was over how to handle it. Yes, that's right, Kerry, Chirac, Putin, the IAEA, most everyone in the intelligence community all thought Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction. The argument wasn't about those, it was about whether Iraq was dangerous enough to invade for that reason. Today, however, it's all Bush's fault for misleading us. Interesting how we as people change our tune so much (this is not Kerry 'flip flop' crap, just an insight into humanity).

What I don't understand about Bush's strategy is why he doesn't keep point at al-Zarqawi. I mean, here is a man with clear connections to both Saddam and Iraq, an obvious way to justify that this was a step in the war on terror. Yet you never hear about it. Maybe I'm reading things all wrong, but it would seem to me this would be something Bush would be highlighting a lot.

Then again, I don't fully agree with either candidates. Of course, who does? As much as Nader hates it, representative democracy is choosing the lesser of two evils.

1.=Yep, thats gay alright. It won't load in firefox. I guess your in the M$ crowd.

2.=Yes, have you not kept up? They were shipped to Syria, geez, get with the program.

3.=I think you need this. http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-kerrylurch.htm


Yeah, they were magically shipped to Syria and only a select few know it happened...that's plausible. Show me evidence, video footage, legit photographs, etc etc etc., hell why not a written statement by Bush and his cabinet, and maybe you can pull that one off...

Do you believe that a psychopat man in the Afgan mountains can organize, find the finance, paralyze the US air defense and commit such a horrible and complex crime by himself ? I don't understand that. I think the gov't's next target is Iran...just wait and see...Bush is a real maniac..a disaster for all of us....he will attack Iran...you'll see...that is why we are all alone in the world now...Are we barbarians ? Why do we attack other nations ? Do we have right to do that ? Are we in medieval ages ? Did our attacks make the country a better and safer place for us ? Is war a movie ? Is it a PC-game ? We must think more deeply I think....and we must focus on realities. And the reality is that, we lost our allies because of our barbaric actions...quo vadis ?

Do you believe that a psychopat man in the Afgan mountains can organize, find the finance, paralyze the US air defense and commit such a horrible and complex crime by himself ? I don't understand that. I think the gov't's next target is Iran...just wait and see...Bush is a real maniac..a disaster for all of us....he will attack Iran...you'll see...that is why we are all alone in the world now...Are we barbarians ? Why do we attack other nations ? Do we have right to do that ? Are we in medieval ages ? Did our attacks make the country a better and safer place for us ? Is war a movie ? Is it a PC-game ? We must think more deeply I think....and we must focus on realities. And the reality is that, we lost our allies because of our barbaric actions...quo vadis ?

*sigh*

Do you believe that a psychopat man in the Afgan mountains can organize, find the finance, paralyze the US air defense and commit such a horrible and complex crime by himself ? I don't understand that. I think the gov't's next target is Iran...just wait and see...Bush is a real maniac..a disaster for all of us....he will attack Iran...you'll see...that is why we are all alone in the world now...Are we barbarians ? Why do we attack other nations ? Do we have right to do that ? Are we in medieval ages ? Did our attacks make the country a better and safer place for us ? Is war a movie ? Is it a PC-game ? We must think more deeply I think....and we must focus on realities. And the reality is that, we lost our allies because of our barbaric actions...quo vadis ?

I'm sure such a man could potentially organize a near formidable army, in a long period of time of course. It's possible. America didn't think it was possible for 9/11 to happen, it did, so who knows really.
As long as Bush remains in power, it's going to be a randomly selected batch of Arabic or Asian nations that gets hit next.
We attack other nations for two reasons. A) Monetary profit, meaning we come in, we blow you up, we rebuild you, we make crap loads of money on whatever it was we came for (such as oil is going to end up like in Iraq..don't deny it, because you know it's true, and if it isn't, the Bush admin is doing a bad job making that clear...). B) Revenge, retaliation. Afghanistan is a prime example. 9/11 hits, we hit back. Course, we declared a war on Terrorism, skipped out on spending the time necessary to develop a multinational coalition to make the payload easier, and waltzed into Afghanistan, and we were out just as fast. We have troops there still, but Afghanistan hasn't changed at all really. Most people don't even think about it anymore, which is lame. If nobody wants to help us do the fighting, I say let them do the rebuilding or something, christ. Bush is just alienating us from the world with the way he handles this whole deal.

And as for that Al'jawaba guy that was just talked about, there are a lot of people in Bush's life he doesn't tell anyone about. Such as his connections with the Bin Laden family, yeah, look that one up, that'll make you think twice...and don't let anyone out there con you into thinking that just because Michael Moore brought it to light, it's wrong. Because it isn't. There are exaggerations, overembellishments, etc etc in his film, but if you actually research the facts and don't listen to the idiots on TV and Radio, you'll find a majority of it is actually true to heart. Granted, he spins it really in an anti-Bush way, but if you pick it apart and look at the facts you get the real story going on, that and some of the things he does to show his point are hilarious and thoughtful (such as when he was talking to congressmen about the Patriot Act and if they had actually read it, in which the certain guy he was talking with said that most of the time congress doesn't read the bill, they just pass it if they are advised it is good...in which Mr. Moore proceeded to hire and icecream truck, get on the loudspeaker, and began reading the Patriot Act on the congressman circle thing, I can't remember the road there, but it's where all the Congress peoples are). I dunno though, I saw the film, thought a lot of it was just too hard to believe, and I was already a Bush hater, did a bit of research and couldn't believe it. It's strange how that works.

Anyway. As for the debate last night, I wasn't surprised that Bush would be such an idiot. But man Kerry sure gave it to him over and over. And Bush said the same damn thing repeatedly, it was amazing...I felt like I was listening to a broken record.

And I am off!

We did not lose allies. They deserted us when we needed them most. But not all of out allies left us for dead...just France and Germany (and last I checked we had more allies than just them).

Here's something to chew on:

Over the past five years, 400,000 Iraqi children under the age of five died of malnutrition and disease, preventively, but died because of the nature of the regime under which they are living.

In 2002, the U.S. Committee for Refugees estimated that nearly 100,000 Kurds, Assyrians, and Turkomans had previously been expelled, by the regime, from the "central-government-controlled Kirkuk and surrounding districts in the oil-rich region bordering the Kurdish controlled north."

According to Human Rights Watch, "senior Arab diplomats told the London-based Arabic daily newspaper al-Hayat in October [1991] that Iraqi leaders were privately acknowledging that 250,000 people were killed during the uprisings, with most of the casualties in the south." Refugees International reports that "Oppressive government policies have led to the internal displacement of 900,000 Iraqis, primarily Kurds who have fled to the north to escape Saddam Hussein's Arabization campaigns (which involve forcing Kurds to renounce their Kurdish identity or lose their property) and Marsh Arabs, who fled the government's campaign to dry up the southern marshes for agricultural use. More than 200,000 Iraqis continue to live as refugees in Iran."

Human Rights Watch estimates that Saddam's 1987-1988 campaign of terror against the Kurds killed at least 50,000 and possibly as many as 100,000 Kurds. The Iraqi regime used chemical agents to include mustard gas and nerve agents in attacks against at least 40 Kurdish villages between 1987-1988. The largest was the attack on Halabja which resulted in approximately 5,000 deaths. o 2,000 Kurdish villages were destroyed during the campaign of terror.

Saddam has had approximately 40 of his own relatives murdered. Allegations of prostitution are used to intimidate opponents of the regime and have been used by the regime to justify the barbaric beheading of women. There have been documented chemical attacks by the regime, from 1983 to 1988, resulting in some 30,000 Iraqi and Iranian deaths.

Under Saddam's regime many hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result of his actions, the vast majority of them Muslims. According to a 2001 Amnesty International report, "victims of torture in Iraq are subjected to a wide range of forms of torture, including the gouging out of eyes, severe beatings, and electric shocks ... some victims have died as a result and many have been left with permanent physical and psychological damage."











WMD's are child's-play compared to the attrocities of Saddam. And the U.N. sat by and watched as all this took place, and they raked in the dough from the oil for food scandal. What is the purpose of an international body such as the U.N. if their prime security council members can be so easily bought off? And these are the people that you want entrusted with the security of the United States of America?

Forgive me if I come off a little strong, but are you crazy!?

Pay very close attention now.

100

3

Notice the differences?

Pay very close attention now.

100

3

Notice the differences?
Your going to need to be more specific than THAT if you wanna get through Colodia!

1. Bush sat for seven minutes after notification of the 9/11 attack doing nothing but reading a children's book when he could have been scrambling F-15s to find out what the hell was going on.
2. His economic policies turned the largest surplus in American history to the largest deficit in American history.
3. His attorney general, John Ashcroft, along with the patriot act.
4. He cannot properly pronounce Vladimir Putin's name.
5. He lied about the threat Iraq posed to the US.
6. Where are the WMD's?
7. While he was busy scaring the shit out of the American sheeple that Saddam was going to nuke us, North Korea developed nukes, a crisis that the Bush administration ignored for several months.
8. First he was for regulating CO2 emissions, then he was against it.
9. First he was against Homeland Security, then he was for it.
10. First he was against UN involvement in Iraq, then he was against it when the UN wouldn't agree, then he was against it yet again when Iraq didn't work out as he had hoped.
11. Speaking of Iraq, no exit strategy.
12. He has overextended our troops and left America unable to respond to another international crisis.
13. The Bush Administration is the most secretive administration since Nixon's, if not the most secretive in American history.
14. Enron.
15. Halliburton's no-bid contracts weren't the best deal for the American taxpayer.
16. I am of draft age.
17. Stonewalled reimportation of drugs from Canada.
18. Medicare "reform" that turned out to be a scam.
19. I will have to pay off the debt for his economic incompetence--talk about raising the birth tax.
20. Made a big deal out of NCLB and didn't bother to request funding for it.
21. Ignored the AIDS outbreak in Africa and blew a chance to prove his "pro-life" position by saving MILLIONS of lives.
22. What has Bush done about the genocide in Dafur?
23. Blew off the Isreal/Palestine problem until it became too urgent to ignore.
24. Didn't read his 6 August 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing that was quite clearly titled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack United States."
25. Is the first president since Hoover to record a net loss of jobs during his presidency.
26. First he was against steel tariffs, then for, and when the threat of WTO action loomed, he flip-flopped yet again.
27. Airport security is STILL a mess. I should know because I worked at O'Hare International over the summer.
28. Has not, to date, held Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld accountable for Abu Ghraib (sp?)
29. Where is Osama bin Laden?
30. Oh, that's right, we went after Saddam instead, even though he had denied al-Qaida's request for assistance.
31. Gave al-Qaida a perfect recruiting oppurtunity by destabilizing Iraq.
32. He lost Osama bin Laden in the mountains of Tora Bora by outsourcing the job of capturing him to warlords who had conflicting interests.
33. Lied to Congress regarding Iraq and Nigerian yellowcake uranium.
34. Relaxed mercury emission regulations for coal power plants.
35. Refuses to support higher fuel-efficiency standards for cars and other conservation efforts.
36. Has made this country's economic dependence on Saudi Arabia even worse.
37. Promised in the 2000 campaign to be a uniter, then proceeded to divide the country even worse than it was in 2000.
38. Turned international goodwill after 9/11 into international hatred.
39. 1,052 American dead in an elective war (well, this should be 1,052 reasons, but I'm only counting it as one :( )
40. Claims to be a Christian, but doesn't act like one, unless unborn babies are involved. (He doesn't even regularly attend church.)
41. Requires anyone who wants to attend one of his campaign events to sign a loyalty oath.
42. Karl Rove's ties to the Smearboat Veterans for Bush.
43. Four hurricanes in Florida can't be wrong! :D
44. He told John Kerry last night that he "forgot Poland," but could Bush find Poland on a map? :D
45. Bush is Dick Cheney's puppet.
46. His presidency has had a chilling effect upon freedom of speech.
47. His anger last night made me wonder how many more wars he will start.
48. 14 planned permanent military bases in Iraq.
49. Bush has no international credibility.
50. Bush is the only president in American history to owe his term to the Supreme Court (a strict reading of the Constitution would have told you that a disputed election should be thrown into the House of Representatives, which would have led to the same outcome, but then the voters would have had the oppurtunity to weigh in on the selection in 2002).
51. How many military funerals of the fallen in Iraq has Bush attended? Umm...none.
52. Bush did little except fly around scared in Air Force One and hide in underground military bases for most of 11 September, 2001. This seems like conduct unbecoming a strong leader.
53. The United States has given Iraqi civilians AT LEAST three 9/11's.
54. Iraq never attacked us, yet Bush repeatedly implies that they did.
55. His policy regarding Iraq has left the United States with no options to fix the problem for at least ten years. Unless we destroy the entire country or install a puppet dictator--then Iraqis will be no better off then they were under Saddam.
56. He has opened more federal land to development than Teddy Roosevelt set aside for conservation.
57. He disguises his plans to rape the environment under Orwellianspeak like "Clear Skies Initiative" and "Healthy Forests Initiative."
58. He has spent 40% of his presidency on vacation.
59. He can't even procure the endorsement of his own hometown newspaper, the Lone Star Iconoclast.:D
60. His administration supported a coup in Haiti.
61. His administration has only provided token hurricane relief for Haiti, even though they were one of the hardest-hit nations.
62. His relationship with Ken Lay.
63. Allowed energy companies to write this country's energy policy, in secret.
64. Guantanamo Bay.
65. Has indicated a willingness to extradite enemy combatants to countries who torture prisoners, to shirk domestic responsibility of torturing prisoners here.
66. Has held American citizens without even a sham trial.
67. Cannot speak English. (If everyone here gets irritated at poor spelling, then I reserve the right to be irritated at the president ;) )
68. Cannot pronounce the word 'nuclear.'
69. Has allowed a bunch of wackos who want a Middle East Empire to take over American foreign policy--google Project for a New American Century.
70. Executive Order 13303, which waives all immunity for oil companies concerning Iraqi petroleum products.
71. Ignored his generals when they said that several hundred thousands of troops would be needed to keep Iraq stable after Saddam was gone.
72. Ignored the wisdom of his own father regarding Iraq.
73. Went to war in Iraq BEFORE all diplomatic options were exhausted, contradicting his promises to Congress and the American sheeple...er, I mean people.
74. His administration has loosened restrictions on media consolidation, giving monolithic companies like Clear Channel more and more influence over what the American public can and cannot hear.
75. Claims to be a Texan, when he is really from Connecticut.
76. First he was against a gay marriage amendment (states' rights, ya know), then he was for it.
77. His arrogance. His smirk gives it away.
78. Insisted upon 32 pages of rules for the debates so he could protect himself from that eeeeeeeeeevil Senator Kerry embarassing him, and still managed to lose the first debate. :D
79. I am not better off than I was four years ago.
80. Has undermined the right to overtime pay.
81. Has yet to admit a mistake he made during the presidency.
82. Arrogantly proclaimed that the nation need not worry about increased terra under Kerry because he would win. He said this with such an air of certainty that I thought he had deified himself.
83. 95% of containers arriving at American ports still are not inspected.
84. Cargo on passenger aircraft still is not inspected.
85. First he was against an investigation into 9/11, then he reluctantly supported it when the pressure became too great, then he wouldn't cooperate with it.
86. Refused to testify in front of the commission, then flip-flopped, but only under certain conditions.
87. Has sold out the national parks to various mining and drilling interests.
88. Still denies global warming, despite mounting evidence to the contrary.
89. Bush is a master of pulling strings to get the Congress to vote on controversial bills in the middle of the night to avoid scrutiny...or am I confusing Bush with Karl Rove?
90. Nepotism in Florida=I'm suspicious of any chance of a fair election there. I must not be a total crackpot, because a former president agrees with me. :D
91. The GOP has a vested interest in LOW voter turnout, something I believe to be detrimental to democracy.
92. The Bush administration has lent its support to some of the most oppressive nations in the world, notably Saudi Arabia.
93. Did I mention outsourcing?
94. We only guarded the Iraqi Oil Ministry while the rest of Baghdad was looted.
95. Attacks John Kerry for voting against the $87 billion Iraq supplemental bill, even though he had threatened to veto it if reconstruction money was in the form of loans.
96. For being such a war hawk, Bush sure missed a chance to fight in one!
97. Refused to allow people trapped in Gitmo ANY chance to prove they're innocent, until recently. Even now, only a small proportion of the detainees are afforded military tribunals.
98. Did nothing to renew the assault weapons ban. We all know that a phone call to Congress would have gotten a renewal passed in a matter of days.
99. Uses fear to manipulate the sheeple...er, I mean American citizens, into voting for him.
100. He looks like a chimp! :D :D :D

:eek: @ previous post

-After saying "mixed messages" 100 times he eventually said "mexed missages".

What the fuck is firefox


the worlds coolest plane. clint eastwood flew it out of soviet russia and helped the us win the cold war. the arcade game was ultra lame though.

100. He looks like a chimp! :D :D :D

If I think he looks like a sloth or maybe a weasel, does that count as another reason not to vote for him, or is it all just one larger "he looks inhuman" reason?

1. He betrayed America's trust
2. He lied to America consecutivly
3. He looks like a monkey
He doesn't look lik a monkey to me. His beady eyes are kind of scary though. I miss Clinton. He didn't have beedy eyes.
You realise that these are reasons not to vote for bush...right?

We did not lose allies. They deserted us when we needed them most. But not all of out allies left us for dead...just France and Germany (and last I checked we had more allies than just them).

Here's something to chew on:

Over the past five years, 400,000 Iraqi children under the age of five died of malnutrition and disease, preventively, but died because of the nature of the regime under which they are living.

In 2002, the U.S. Committee for Refugees estimated that nearly 100,000 Kurds, Assyrians, and Turkomans had previously been expelled, by the regime, from the "central-government-controlled Kirkuk and surrounding districts in the oil-rich region bordering the Kurdish controlled north."

According to Human Rights Watch, "senior Arab diplomats told the London-based Arabic daily newspaper al-Hayat in October [1991] that Iraqi leaders were privately acknowledging that 250,000 people were killed during the uprisings, with most of the casualties in the south." Refugees International reports that "Oppressive government policies have led to the internal displacement of 900,000 Iraqis, primarily Kurds who have fled to the north to escape Saddam Hussein's Arabization campaigns (which involve forcing Kurds to renounce their Kurdish identity or lose their property) and Marsh Arabs, who fled the government's campaign to dry up the southern marshes for agricultural use. More than 200,000 Iraqis continue to live as refugees in Iran."

Human Rights Watch estimates that Saddam's 1987-1988 campaign of terror against the Kurds killed at least 50,000 and possibly as many as 100,000 Kurds. The Iraqi regime used chemical agents to include mustard gas and nerve agents in attacks against at least 40 Kurdish villages between 1987-1988. The largest was the attack on Halabja which resulted in approximately 5,000 deaths. o 2,000 Kurdish villages were destroyed during the campaign of terror.

Saddam has had approximately 40 of his own relatives murdered. Allegations of prostitution are used to intimidate opponents of the regime and have been used by the regime to justify the barbaric beheading of women. There have been documented chemical attacks by the regime, from 1983 to 1988, resulting in some 30,000 Iraqi and Iranian deaths.

Under Saddam's regime many hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result of his actions, the vast majority of them Muslims. According to a 2001 Amnesty International report, "victims of torture in Iraq are subjected to a wide range of forms of torture, including the gouging out of eyes, severe beatings, and electric shocks ... some victims have died as a result and many have been left with permanent physical and psychological damage."

WMD's are child's-play compared to the attrocities of Saddam. And the U.N. sat by and watched as all this took place, and they raked in the dough from the oil for food scandal. What is the purpose of an international body such as the U.N. if their prime security council members can be so easily bought off? And these are the people that you want entrusted with the security of the United States of America?

Forgive me if I come off a little strong, but are you crazy!?

All I can say to all that is "so?"
On the same token just recently nearly 1.2 million (possibly even more) Darfur citizens are being starved by their government in the Sudan. Been going on for quite a bit, but Bush didn't say anything but "we'll let them deal with it", and only recently did he state it was genocide and somebody needed to do something. That's our great leader there. If we're going to supposedly be "helping" other nations, two things need to happen.
1. We need to stop peddling our democracy to them, sorry but democracy isn't good for everyone, it's proven, actually as I recall a few nations we turned into democracies are actually worse off financially. What we are doing by implimenting democracy across the globe is a sneaky way of world domination. Nobody is going to trust the US if all we do is walk in, blow them up, then say "you'll be a democracy now". That's not freedom. Freedom is walking in, blowing them up, hanging around to make sure the new government that forms isn't like the one before and that it survives, and letting the "PEOPLE" decide the government they want. Which isn't happening. Some people say "oh well you can't trust the Iraqi people". That's a nice message. "We want you to be free, but we don't trust you". And oil has always been our primary goal, it was one of the first things that the military was told to secure. And after they had secured them, they left so many other things such as hospitals left untouched. That's intelligent there. How can you not see that as a big bully coming for your oil?
2. We need to stop doing it ourselves. If Saddam truly needed to be removed, we would have had a lot more support than just a couple of nations offering troops, maybe there are a lot of nations offering them, but as I recall their numbers are so insignificant compared to ours. We assume 90% of the risk, 90% of the casualties. Bad maneuver. There needs to be a greater supply of troops from other nations. So we're basically fighting alone.

The point is. It's not our duty to go around fixing everyone. It's not. The UN was formed to do that, and if the UN refuses to do its job, then we need to walk in and start kicking people out. They can oppose us all they want, but we have a lot more power than a lot of nations do and if we want a clean UN we need to do something about it. It isn't our job to be out there helping people by ourselves. We've got enough problems in the US that could use fixing. Don't get me wrong here. I completely agree that Saddam is an evil man. I wish they had killed him off in the first war, but unfortunately that didn't happen. Had Bush asked the American public "hey, look at what Saddam is doing, we should help them" he might have gotten a better response than "hey they have WMD's, oops no they don't, ha, I was wrong". The public might have agreed more to a war in Iraq with the former I think. But hey, that's my opinion about our society and really voting for Bush a second round would prove that Americans as a whole are not intelligent enough to have the ability to vote.

Anywho...

1) hes obsessed with flip flopping
2) he has a 1 track mind
3) he thinks vladmir putin is doing a good job in russia
4) he STILL thinks iraq was funding terrorists
5) he has uncontrollable facial muscles
6) he cant pronounce nuclear
7) north korea has nukes and long range missiles yet he insists our 6 way talks are working better than clinton's plan
8) he wants to make NUCLEAR BUNKER BUSTERS
9) cutting taxes and double spending apparently doesnt cost any money, but creating a healthcare system and repealing tax cuts will create some huge deifict of imaginary money
10) he said "is our children learning"

1. I'm too dependant on IE 6 to change
2. War on Syria
War on Iran
War on North Korea
and save another one for a random Asian country

3. NOPE!


I would like to point out that the President has proposed multilateral negotiations with those countries, involving several other countries (such as China).
Kerry criticized this move, and said that the US should commense BILATERAL negotiations with them, instead.
I have a question: If lone involvement of the United States was NOT appropriate in Iraq, then why is it appropriate elsewhere, like North Korea?
(It would appear to be another inconsistency, to me.)

If I think he looks like a sloth or maybe a weasel, does that count as another reason not to vote for him, or is it all just one larger "he looks inhuman" reason?

Oh, he also acts like a chimp too.

What's funny to me about WMDs is that if you rewind to before the Iraq invasion, EVERYONE believe they had them, the dispute was over how to handle it.
Funny, so the UN was lying when they said that they thought that Iraq had no WMDs.

I would like to point out that the President has proposed multilateral negotiations with those countries, involving several other countries (such as China).
Kerry criticized this move, and said that the US should commense BILATERAL negotiations with them, instead.
I have a question: If lone involvement of the United States was NOT appropriate in Iraq, then why is it appropriate elsewhere, like North Korea?
(It would appear to be another inconsistency, to me.)
Yet again Tremalkier is here to give uninformed people a dose of reality.

China and South Korea have asked the US to commence bilateral talks in conjuction with the 6 nations talks (Which NK has not joined yet, and the US has not done more than dispatch ambassadors for), as they doubt the viability of the current setup.

Had Bush asked the American public "hey, look at what Saddam is doing, we should help them" he might have gotten a better response than "hey they have WMD's, oops no they don't, ha, I was wrong". The public might have agreed more to a war in Iraq with the former I think. But hey, that's my opinion about our society and really voting for Bush a second round would prove that Americans as a whole are not intelligent enough to have the ability to vote

I'm sorry....but we have a problem when people like you are allowed to speak in public. How ignorant can you possibly be? Your own blind hatred for Bush has blinded you from the truth. He did talk about Saddam and his murderous regime. He talked about it over...and over....and over. But people like you couldn't understand him for some reason.

Like you said.....all they could think was "so?"

And now, ignorant fools like yourself are running around screaming "foul!" Wake up and smell the mass murder people. Maybe you weren't listening when Bush reminded the public that the U.S. gives more aid to the Sudanese people than any other country in the world. Or did that end up in the same "discard" pile as Bush's warnings against Saddam as a murderous tyrant?

For goodness sakes. I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall here.

:headbang:


And now you claim that the U.S. needs to clean up the UN!? What about the U.S. minding its own business? Does that not matter when people are screwing up around the world? If that's the case, then how can you use the same point to argue against the war in Iraq!?

"The U.S. shouldn't police the world....but it's FINE to police the UN!" No. I'm sorry, but I just can't respect that kind of hypocrisy.

Either you believe the U.S. has a right to intervene when other countries fail to act, or you believe the U.S. should be the world's carpet: the country that all other countries can walk all over. Pick one, because there's no middle ground.

I'm sorry....but we have a problem when people like you are allowed to speak in public. How ignorant can you possibly be? Your own blind hatred for Bush has blinded you from the truth. He did talk about Saddam and his murderous regime. He talked about it over...and over....and over. But people like you couldn't understand him for some reason.

Like you said.....all they could think was "so?"

And now, ignorant fools like yourself are running around screaming "foul!" Wake up and smell the mass murder people. Maybe you weren't listening when Bush reminded the public that the U.S. gives more aid to the Sudanese people than any other country in the world. Or did that end up in the same "discard" pile as Bush's warnings against Saddam as a murderous tyrant?

For goodness sakes. I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall here.
And now you claim that the U.S. needs to clean up the UN!? What about the U.S. minding its own business? Does that not matter when people are screwing up around the world? If that's the case, then how can you use the same point to argue against the war in Iraq!?

"The U.S. shouldn't police the world....but it's FINE to police the UN!" No. I'm sorry, but I just can't respect that kind of hypocrisy.

Either you believe the U.S. has a right to intervene when other countries fail to act, or you believe the U.S. should be the world's carpet: the country that all other countries can walk all over. Pick one, because there's no middle ground.

I love political dribble, it's fun. There is a wonderful concept when it comes to debating, especially in politics, which unfortunately a lot of people seem to forget, it's called being "CIVIL".
First, I didn't say "police the UN", I didn't. Never used those words. I said if the UN refuses to act, then somebody, which unfortunately will end up being the US, should do something about it and fix the problem. The UN has proven time and time again to be a huge failure and something has to be done.
Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall Bush showing images and video evidence that Saddam was commiting inhumane acts of cruelty on his people. He very well may have mentioned it, but the part that sticks is the babble about WMD's, which I made the mistake of supporting furiously. The only stuff I remember seeing on Saddam's tortures and what not, was on a CBS documentary, and with their track record at the moment, well things aren't looking too good.
Stop branding me. You say I have blind hatred? I don't. I don't like Bush, didn't like him in the beginning, started to like him for a brief moment after 9/11 when he took a good charge on matters and started to actually get his act together. I don't agree with him now. I made the mistake millions are making now in believing Bush outright, not challenging the facts presented, and letting all the truthful things walk by. I won't make that mistake again about this President. Fact is, he's handling Iraq horribly, we shouldn't be there, but we also can't just walk out.
And the fact of the matter is, what business is it of ours if people in the world are screwing up? Unless they are actually causing some sort of harm to us, or our allies, I don't see why it should be our concern.
As for the Sudanese, I don't recall seeing anything on that from Bush, show me a legit transcript so I can read it. Would like to see his take on the matter.
Anyway, go take a lesson in being civil, it'll help you greatly.

um... just felt like posting this in response to original name of thread...

WHO NEEDS 100 REASONS?

WHO NEEDS 100 REASONS?
Very good point. lol

That's not freedom. Freedom is walking in, blowing them up, hanging around to make sure the new government that forms isn't like the one before and that it survives, and letting the "PEOPLE" decide the government they want.

lol XD then it would be a socialist state, and we all know thats too close to communism to be a comfort to our recent presidents :D

and, just so i dont look like im against u, arconnus, :D i hate bushes guts for the sole reason that hes spending SO MUCH ****ing money in IRAQ (120 billion to date, workin on 200 :(), when we could, um, like fix this little thing we like to call an economy here at home, or maybe the public education system...

PS and hes just plain stupid XD

and, just so i dont look like im against u, arconnus, :D i hate bushes guts for the sole reason that hes spending SO MUCH ****ing money in IRAQ (120 billion to date, workin on 200 :(), when we could, um, like fix this little thing we like to call an economy here at home, or maybe the public education system...

PS and hes just plain stupid XD

LOL. See, the way you displayed your point against something I said was civil. You didn't call me ignorant, or names, or whatever. See, civility, it's an amazing thing. :)

LOL. See, the way you displayed your point against something I said was civil. You didn't call me ignorant, or names, or whatever. See, civility, it's an amazing thing. :)
I'm just too good for you, arent I? :D

1.=Figures
2.=What are those 4 more wars? Can you name them?
3.=That's because we have little time to waste on dozens, one is all that's needed.

I can name a couple potential ones, Iran, and North Korea.

Not like I've never seen that pic a billion times before.

How about these?

http://images.google.com/images?q=Bush%20monkey&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

I'm just to good for you arent I? :D

Oh yeah baby ;) lol.

1.=Yep, thats gay alright. It won't load in firefox. I guess your in the M$ crowd.
Actually, it's just YOUR browser that wouldn't load it. I also use Mozilla Firefox and the picture loaded. You might want to update to the newest version.

I can name a couple potential ones, Iran, and North Korea.
Been there, done that already. XD Korea 50 years ago, and Iran (ugh is it 20 years?).

If you wanna vote out bush, register online at Rock the Vote (http://www.m80teams.com/?Qzo4Mzk6NDA0MTQ2) and go to you nearest polling station November 2.

I apologize for being "uncivil." Believe it or not, it was quite our of character for me. Bad day....long night....and an angry conversation with an old friend over the same topic. I suppose subconciously I was putting his face on your name, and saying what I'd been feeling about him. Again...I'm sorry.

But did you really not know about the horrors of Saddam's regime? Did the President really need to remind you? Perhaps the reason I saw what you didn't is because I already knew. I would think the only reason the WMD's were stuck in your head is because they were repeated over, and over. Just like the message of Saddam's brutality. Why do you think the war was codename Operation: Iraqi Freedom?

If you wanna vote out bush, register online at Rock the Vote (http://www.m80teams.com/?Qzo4Mzk6NDA0MTQ2) and go to you nearest polling station November 2.
I'm not quite old enough yet XD. Or else I would...

But did you really not know about the horrors of Saddam's regime? Did the President really need to remind you? Perhaps the reason I saw what you didn't is because I already knew. I would think the only reason the WMD's were stuck in your head is because they were repeated over, and over. Just like the message of Saddam's brutality. Why do you think the war was codename Operation: Iraqi Freedom?
I'm with you on this one, man... Saddam has commited terrible things against his people, such as the gassing of the Kurds... I do not know of others but am sure that there are others.

I apologize for being "uncivil." Believe it or not, it was quite our of character for me. Bad day....long night....and an angry conversation with an old friend over the same topic. I suppose subconciously I was putting his face on your name, and saying what I'd been feeling about him. Again...I'm sorry.

But did you really not know about the horrors of Saddam's regime? Did the President really need to remind you? Perhaps the reason I saw what you didn't is because I already knew. I would think the only reason the WMD's were stuck in your head is because they were repeated over, and over. Just like the message of Saddam's brutality. Why do you think the war was codename Operation: Iraqi Freedom?

It's all good. I have the same sort of heated arguments and I just get to the point where I can't talk to the person anymore. Actually the two Right Wing Bush Lovers at my work have pissed me off to the point where I don't argue with them anymore. Not to be mean, but they are idiots. They are the most one sided one minded guys I have ever met. You can't argue with them because any evidence you bring is instantly falsified to them and all this bull about how anything Michael Moore says is wrong and lies. Which actually isn't true, as I've said somewhere on the forum, just do a little research and you'll find most of it is true, just overexaggerated, embelished, or sometimes just straight forward facts. Anything he says that isn't true is made so obvious in his movie to be his opinion and thoughts. He does a lot of that, such as in 9/11 when he's talking about what Bush was "thinking", he's just making it up guys he wasn't serious either, he's throwing out ideas.
Anywho, so yeah I understand those sorts of arguments.
I know Saddam is bad, I watched a documentary (on some news station like CNN or something) that showed the atrocities he had commited. I understand he's a bad man, but I would be much more inclined to accept this war if Bush would have made better effort to secure civilians from harm than the oil refineries, and if he had just said "America, look at what this man is doing, we need to get rid of him, he's evil", I think more people would be happy right now. But as it is, he drilled WMD's into our brains and now we don't have any there and it's like "well hey, you lied you bastard". But personally I don't think the US should be entirely responsible for Iraq (I know we have allies, but their numbers are pathetically low and I find it funny how all these other countries that haven't done anything are getting private contracts for the reconstruction...personally if you aren't going to help, go some place else then). It should be the UN's job to do something, and obviously they aren't doing it, so somebody should say "hey the UN isn't working, lets do something about it".
Something of that nature. I dunno, I can't stand Bush because of the fact that he is handling all this wrong and then you go watch the debates and he never admits he is wrong, ever. I would rather have a President who says "I'm sorry, I was wrong, I made a goof" than someone that tries to spin all his failures into good things. But that's me of course. I don't like Kerry either though, actually Edwards sounded better than Kerry when I watched part of the VP debates, just the way he sounds and presents himself anyway.
Anyyywho.

I'm not quite old enough yet XD. Or else I would...


I'm with you on this one, man... Saddam has commited terrible things against his people, such as the gassing of the Kurds... I do not know of others but am sure that there are others.
Actually Iran was more likely to have committed the gassing. Not that Saddam didn't torture people and other things but Iran is more likely to do the gassing. Look it up.

He is an alcoholic. Once an alco always an alco. What will happen if he hits the bottle again? Are you prepared to take that risk?
Personally I have nothing against alcoholics but if mud needs to be slung, why not sling it!!

He is an alcoholic. Once an alco always an alco. What will happen if he hits the bottle again? Are you prepared to take that risk?
Personally I have nothing against alcoholics but if mud needs to be slung, why not sling it!!
Bushes wife ran someone over and killed him while drunk once. Also ran a red light at this time.

Are we prepared to wait till she does it again?

But I don't think the truth is important to debates now a days. Conservatives will just say that was then and this is now. THe past has no impact on present. Even though the past was used as support for Iraq lol.