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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/27/eveningnews/main639143.shtml

(CBS) CBS News has learned that the FBI has a full-fledged espionage investigation under way and is about to -- in FBI terminology -- "roll up" someone agents believe has been spying not for an enemy, but for Israel from within the office of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon.

60 Minutes Correspondent Lesley Stahl reports the FBI believes it has "solid" evidence that the suspected mole supplied Israel with classified materials that include secret White House policy deliberations on Iran.

At the heart of the investigation are two people who work at The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Washington.

[...]

CBS sources say that last year the suspected spy, described as a trusted analyst at the Pentagon, turned over a presidential directive on U.S. policy toward Iran while it was, "in the draft phase when U.S. policy-makers were still debating the policy."

This put the Israelis, according to one source, "inside the decision-making loop" so they could "try to influence the outcome."

The case raises another concern among investigators: Did Israel also use the analyst to try to influence U.S. policy on the war in Iraq?

With ties to top Pentagon officials Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith, the analyst was assigned to a unit within the Defense Department tasked with helping develop the Pentagon's Iraq policy.

It certainly would explain alot of the faulty intelligence provided to the President and Congress about Iraq.

No. The US is just looking for an excuse to invade them. The people wouldn´t swallow the WMD excuse a second time.

I heard that both Israel and the US spy on each other. So there is no "good guy - bad guy" scenario.

Meh Jews are sick communists who work for satan, so they must be trying to help destroy the US, aren't they Tenete? (sarcasm)

I heard that both Israel and the US spy on each other. So there is no "good guy - bad guy" scenario.
Right. Just bad guys all around.

I heard that both Israel and the US spy on each other. So there is no "good guy - bad guy" scenario.
No, the US has no intelligence service. Israel has control over supposedly "American" agencies.

No, the US has no intelligence service. Israel has control over supposedly "American" agencies.

yeah, whatever

Why are some people so paranoid about Israel?

Take a hat. Now put a bunch of clips of paper in it, and on each one is the name of a country. Now pull two pieces out of the hat, and no matter what countries they are, you can rest assured that they are both spying on each other.

Why are some people so paranoid about Israel?
Cause Israel get´s away with so much shit for which any other country would have been sanctioned if not "liberatet".

Why are some people so paranoid about Israel?
Why are some people nazis?

Why are some people nazis?
Cause their stupid. 'nuff said. Nazism is teh suck.



TT, Israel spying on the US is old news

*feeds the TTroll*
So, what if the white supremacists (or WTFever you are) got together and formed a separate-from-the-US country of their own, and we spy on them - does that make us bad guys?

Face it, everyone spies on everyone nowadays.

Cause Israel get´s away with so much shit for which any other country would have been sanctioned if not "liberatet".



Last time I checked, Israel is fighting Palestine and the Palestinians are equally to blame for that mess as Israel is. Both have done stupid things. As for why people are Nazis, well there are people that believe even stranger things than that. The human mind is very odd.

Last time I checked, Israel is fighting Palestine and the Palestinians are equally to blame for that mess as Israel is. Both have done stupid things. As for why people are Nazis, well there are people that believe even stranger things than that. The human mind is very odd.
Both sides have faulted the other beyond count; I just say 'screw both their governments; both rite now are corrupt and will never have peace'

Oh, and why ppl become Nazis: They are made to read The Diary of Anne Frank to have the horrors of the Holocaust conveyed to them.

Or that's the case w/this one Nazi I was once friends with (b4 he went Nazi) - apparently his grandparents helped shelter Jews from the Nazis, so his mom wanted him to read Anne Frank to understand how the people his grandparents sheltered felt. Unfortunately it triggered something inside of him, causing the bastard to become a Nazi himself

I think we are all missing the big picture, why would they spy on us when the have the Palinstine threat at their doorstep. And besides, we are allies (or I think we are).

I think we are all missing the big picture, why would they spy on us when the have the Palinstine threat at their doorstep. And besides, we are allies (or I think we are).
The same reason we spy on our allies and they spy on us: knowledge is power. The more you have, the better you can position yourself in negotiations, etc.

Last time I checked, Israel is fighting Palestine and the Palestinians are equally to blame for that mess as Israel is.
Well yes. But that doesn't take away the fact that Israel time and again ignores UN resolutions or the US simply veto's them. Which is a double standard since the US had a fit when Saddam did so.

I think we are all missing the big picture, why would they spy on us when the have the Palinstine threat at their doorstep. And besides, we are allies (or I think we are).
Iraq was a threat to Israel. Iraq was not a threat to America.
Somehow America ended up shedding blood over a war based on fabrication by Bush. Coincidentally Israeli spies exist in the highest offices of this country.
The big picture is not hard to put together with a bit of logic.

If Jews are as powerful as you say why aren't the 1 million or so of them in Europe taking over as you claim in the US?

and we're the most liberal?
Ever hear of the Patriot Act? Total Information Awareness?

No, the US has no intelligence service. Israel has control over supposedly "American" agencies.
Congratulations TT, you are officially a moron. You get a nice certificate along with a bumper sticker to commemorate this great accomplishment.

If Jews are as powerful as you say why aren't the 1 million or so of them in Europe taking over as you claim in the US?

and we're the most liberal?
Ever hear of the Patriot Act? Total Information Awareness?
Those communistic laws were put into place by Bush, a leader in the communist world.

Those communistic laws were put into place by Bush, a leader in the communist world.



Yes and Hitler was a moderate Liberal.

Those communistic laws were put into place by Bush, a leader in the communist world.
Idiot, Patriot and TIA are FASCIST ideals!!!!! Right up your alley as well too

Yes and Hitler was a moderate Liberal.
You mean he wasn't? :D

Yes and Hitler was a moderate Liberal.
Incorrect, Hitler advocated National Socialism.
Perhaps your sarcasm has grown somewhat repetitive now?

Idiot, Patriot and TIA are FASCIST ideals!!!!! Right up your alley as well too
No, they are the ideals of a communist police state under Bush and Sharon.

Of course Israel is spying on the US. And we're spying right back.
Same goes for Britain, France, Russia, Germany...
Hell, any country with enough money and a decent enough intel agency spies on other countries, including allies.
It pays to be in the know, about enemies and allies alike.

Knowledge is power after all.

Congratulations TT, you are officially a moron. You get a nice certificate along with a bumper sticker to commemorate this great accomplishment.
You've contributed your opinion. But no facts...

Incorrect, Hitler advocated National Socialism.
Perhaps your sarcasm has grown somewhat repetitive now?


No, I'm saying that it's BS Bush is a communist.

No, they are the ideals of a communist police state under Bush and Sharon.
They are ideals of a policestate alright. Be it communist or otherwise.

No, I'm saying that it's BS Bush is a communist.
And what makes you so certain?

And what makes you so certain?

I would imagine it mostly has to do with the fact that he isn't a communist.

And what makes you so certain?
He's rich. And not spreading his wealth among the masses.

I would imagine it mostly has to do with the fact that he isn't a communist.



Karl Marx was a communist, George Bush isn't a communist. Can I make it ANY clearer, TT?

No, they are the ideals of a communist police state under Bush and Sharon.
Idiot, how can somebody who panders to CORPORATE INTERESTS be communist?
Commies hate corporations while Bush just loves em.

Idiot, how can somebody who panders to CORPORATE INTERESTS be communist?
Commies hate corporations while Bush just loves em.
Do you honestly believe the facade that has been pulled in front of your eyes?
That Bush is a right-winger- 'cuz Rush Limbaugh sayz so'?
The PATRIOT Act is the first step to assuming liberties and eventually assuming total control via the state to serve Zion.

Do you honestly believe the facade that has been pulled in front of your eyes?
That Bush is a right-winger- 'cuz Rush Limbaugh sayz so'?
The PATRIOT Act is the first step to assuming liberties and eventually assuming total control via the state to serve Zion.

And how would that be communism as opposed to totalitarianism?

And how would that be communism as opposed to totalitarianism?
They compliment each other well.

Two Mossad agents were just captured in New Zealand. A third actually made it through to Australia; where he is now is anyone's guess.

It's true any country who can afford it is spying on every country worth its while, but Israel definately does it more than most.

Two Mossad agents were just captured in New Zealand. A third actually made it through to Australia; where he is now is anyone's guess.

It's true any country who can afford it is spying on every country worth its while, but Israel definately does it more than most.
Someone can see the light of truth!

Karl Marx was a communist, George Bush isn't a communist. Can I make it ANY clearer, TT?
Karl Marx was a Jew, George Bush is a Jew-slave. Pretty clear.

Karl Marx was a Jew, George Bush is a Jew-slave. Pretty clear.
Your a nazi, Hitler was a nazi. Hitler killed himself. Why don't you close the loop?

Karl Marx was a Jew, George Bush is a Jew-slave. Pretty clear.

Karl Marx's GRANDPARENTS were Jews. His parents converted to- and raised him in- Lutheranism. And then he became an atheist, who dissassociated himself utterly from the Jewish community, which he had never been a part of to begin with, anyway.

Furthermore, some of his works, such as "World Without Jews" read as downright anti-semitic. Lastly, the ideology he created has been used to persecute Jews.

So, yeah, the degree to which Marx was a Jew seems like it's up for debate.

Not to mention- so what? What does Marx's Jewishness or lack thereof have to do with Israel spying on the US?

Israel does not need to spy on the US. She already controls the money sources of the US, and so the country itself :))

Israel does not need to spy on the US. She already controls the money sources of the US

How so?

Your a nazi, Hitler was a nazi. Hitler killed himself. Why don't you close the loop?
No such luck, we already asked him in another thread.

Now, this poll, it wouldn't be... biased in any way would it??? I would have voted yes but for the way you phrased the choices. Israel spies. America spies. The Vatican probably spy. I remember Blair getting caught listening in to Kofi Annan's phone calls, it never even got to front page news. Suddenly an Israeli spy is caught and OMG!!! Front page news for a week, inquiries, everything.

the vatican do spy. it's called the spanish inquisition.

Hmm, i know, this poll is like the worse NS issues - theres no middle ground. You're either a hippy or a terrorist :P

Quite frankly, who cares who's spying on whom? Is there anything America is doing that they really want to hide from israel? No? Then bloody well get your priorities straight!

don't you have better things to worry about than insignificant political dramas? It's like a thirteen-year-old weeping hysterically because her favourite soapie star broke up with her boyfriend!

I'm absolutely terrified at the amount of anti-Semitism that I'm seeing here, guys. Not all, but some of you are dangerously misinformed.

The choices don't leave room for people to say that Israel is a sovereign nation, with the best intelligence services in the world - and the US and Israel have a special relationship, so ergo there is much voluntary sharing of informations, especially due to the nature of Israel's location in the world.

I'm completely shocked.

Why are some people nazis?

You question Israel therefore you must be a nazi...Right?

Only the most naive idiot would not spy on his allies.

No surprise, every nation spies on every other nation. The US spies on everyone like everyone else and aren't innocent of these practices.

I deny I am an agent of Mossad because I say so

Glad to see that SOMEONE mentioned MOSSAD, possibly the world's most creepy intelligence agency after the CIA and the NRA. Of course, Israel spy on the U.S., and vice versa. I'm amazed no-one noticed sooner. It's a bit impolite to spy on a country that pays for your bullets through taxes though...

Hmm, i know, this poll is like the worse NS issues - theres no middle ground. You're either a hippy or a terrorist :P

Quite frankly, who cares who's spying on whom? Is there anything America is doing that they really want to hide from israel? No? Then bloody well get your priorities straight!

They needed to cover up the fact that Iraq posed no threat to America.
Israel provided the fabricated intelligence and Bush presented it to his servants.
From behind the scenes, Israel is in control!

They needed to cover up the fact that Iraq posed no threat to America.
Israel provided the fabricated intelligence and Bush presented it to his servants.
From behind the scenes, Israel is in control!
Going back to Marx (HE WAS NOT JEWISH), and your religious-based hate for Jews.
"Religion is the opiate of the masses" - Karl Marx
You are high, TT

Glad to see that SOMEONE mentioned MOSSAD, possibly the world's most creepy intelligence agency after the CIA and the NRA.
The National Restaurant Association?

The National Restaurant Association?

National Rifle Association - Pro-Bush gun-totting nutcases.

Talk about pushpolling...

They needed to cover up the fact that Iraq posed no threat to America.
Israel provided the fabricated intelligence and Bush presented it to his servants.
From behind the scenes, Israel is in control!
Yeah, Israel needed oil didn't they:rolleyes:

Bush just doesn't trust Israeli intelligence. You know that if it wasn't for Israel, America would long be a pile of radioactive ash? 22 years ago we bombed the Iraqi WMD facilities. Minimum damage, minimum fuss. America try and take non-existent WMD's and screw it up.

Yeah, Israel needed oil didn't they:rolleyes:

Bush just doesn't trust Israeli intelligence. You know that if it wasn't for Israel, America would long be a pile of radioactive ash? 22 years ago we bombed the Iraqi WMD facilities. Minimum damage, minimum fuss. America try and take non-existent WMD's and screw it up.
You have misplaced your sarcasm.
Do you dare to say that America would have any Middle Eastern threat at all had it not been for the Jews and Israel?!
America is essentially a pile of ashes under the new Jewish government.

Do you dare to say that America would have any Middle Eastern threat at all had it not been for the Jews and Israel?!

I dare. US intervention in the Middle East has traditionally been designed to benefit the US, much more so than Israel (how did Israel benefit from the US invading Iraq?). The US dicking around in the Middle East at all would piss Arab countries off, regardless of its Israel policy.

Furthermore, radical Muslims see themselves as fighting all non-believers. As a secular country with a lot of Christians, as well as being the only remaining super-power, the US is a logical target for the Bin Ladens of the world, regardless of its behavior.

I'm done. Your turn.

I dare. US intervention in the Middle East has traditionally been designed to benefit the US, much more so than Israel (how did Israel benefit from the US invading Iraq?). The US dicking around in the Middle East at all would piss Arab countries off, regardless of its Israel policy.
The US would not be "dicking around" anywhere if not for the ZOG.

Furthermore, radical Muslims see themselves as fighting all non-believers. As a secular country with a lot of Christians, as well as being the only remaining super-power, the US is a logical target for the Bin Ladens of the world, regardless of its behavior.

I'm done. Your turn.
Yes, the Mahometans are savages but it is the ZOG that has enabled the savage to get into Western nations.

The US would not be "dicking around" anywhere if not for the ZOG.

Prove it. I seem to recall us still being dependant on oil- the biggest supplies of which are in the Arab world.

Yes, the Mahometans are savages but it is the ZOG that has enabled the savage to get into Western nations.

How so? Last I checked, Bin Laden wasn't in a Western nation when his cronies attacked us.

Prove it. I seem to recall us still being dependant on oil- the biggest supplies of which are in the Arab world.



How so? Last I checked, Bin Laden wasn't in a Western nation when his cronies attacked us.

His Arab cronies were here and that's all that matters in relation to domestic terrorism. Bin Laden was just a name needed to focus on for the Bush adminstration.

This thread makes me sad. :(

AHHHHH OMFG PHEER TEH ZOG!!!!111oneoneone+shiftshiftshift!

We can't let the Zeonic Orbital Grenades be launched into orbit!
Nor can the ZAFT Omnipotent Gundams blow us up!!

This thread makes me sad. :(
its just Bush and his cultic worshippers dividing the world again

His Arab cronies were here and that's all that matters in relation to domestic terrorism. Bin Laden was just a name needed to focus on for the Bush adminstration.

And how is "ZOG" related to Arab terrorists being in the US?

And how is "ZOG" related to Arab terrorists being in the US?
They enabled the liberal immigration laws (or complete lack thereof).

They enabled the liberal immigration laws (or complete lack thereof).



You think the US should have conservative immigration laws?

Ah yes, CBS, bastion of well researched, apolitical, rock solid news stories.

You think the US should have conservative immigration laws?
No, I think we should continue to sink beneath a sea of non-White immigration... :rolleyes:


http://www.crusader.net/images/liberty.gif

No, I think we should continue to sink beneath a sea of non-White immigration... :rolleyes:


http://www.crusader.net/images/liberty.gif

Well he quoted the white-supremecist website crusader.net, he must have a point.....

Well he quoted the white-supremecist website crusader.net, he must have a point.....
What are you talking about?

What are you talking about?


Pancakes. I'm talking about pancakes. I say that because clearly my original post so extremely vague and hard to follow. My point was deeply hidden.

They enabled the liberal immigration laws (or complete lack thereof).

Prove it.

Pancakes. I'm talking about pancakes. I say that because clearly my original post so extremely vague and hard to follow. My point was deeply hidden.

Ah, like Kabbalah. Gotcha.

Pancakes. I'm talking about pancakes. I say that because clearly my original post so extremely vague and hard to follow. My point was deeply hidden.
So then clarify instead of giving sarcastic remarks about your error.

So then clarify instead of giving sarcastic remarks about your error.
He was being sarcastic. He thought, and I agree that the point was, in fact extremely simple to follow.

He was being sarcastic. He thought, and I agree that the point was, in fact extremely simple to follow.
It requires clarification as to what he meant.

"Well he quoted the white-supremecist website crusader.net, he must have a point....."
I'll introduce you.
Sarcasm, TT and TT, sarcasm.
He meant that the white-supremist website is not a source.

"Well he quoted the white-supremecist website crusader.net, he must have a point....."
I'll introduce you.
Sarcasm, TT and TT, sarcasm.
He meant that the white-supremist website is not a source.
Not a source of what?

Not a source of what?
For anything. White Supremist websites cannot be used as sources unless its to prove how mentally deranged the people who started them are.

For anything. White Supremist websites cannot be used as sources unless its to prove how mentally deranged the people who started them are.
When was any "White Supremist" website used as a source?