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I go to a Presbytarian school... most of my teachers are Bush supporters, but at least they have some sort of legitamete response.

My friends are so called Bush supporters:

-They do not know the value of the party.
-They do not know the plans.
-They have failed to study both parties.
-They go on scholarship. (aka should be kiss Democrat ass...)
-They think Kerry is a communist.
-They don't care about Europe, they think America is the best and doesn't need help.
-They actually think the world is safer! Ha!
-Ignores the fact that Bush is supporting the rich.

Basically I'm going up against ignorance. So... any advice to at least question their beliefs? I'm a Libertarian by the way... you know ya...

The worst thing about the ignorant is that they don't know that they're ignorant. If they did they might just shut up and listen.

Bush supporters are rather ignorant, are they not?
Fools who think their vote matters...

I go to a Presbytarian school... most of my teachers are Bush supporters, but at least they have some sort of legitamete response.

My friends are so called Bush supporters:

-They do not know the value of the party.
-They do not know the plans.
-They have failed to study both parties.
-They go on scholarship. (aka should be kiss Democrat ass...)
-They think Kerry is a communist.
-They don't care about Europe, they think America is the best and doesn't need help.
-They actually think the world is safer! Ha!
-Ignores the fact that Bush is supporting the rich.

Basically I'm going up against ignorance. So... any advice to at least question their beliefs? I'm a Libertarian by the way... you know ya...

You have to realize because SOME people who support the candidate are idiots, this doesn't mean all the peopel who support the candidate are idiots... I could find plenty of people who support Kerry and don't have a clue what he believes in too. Actually I know quite a few lol.

How are scholarships left wing? Scholarships are right wing to the max... Scholarships pave the way for the best and brightest to continue their education, not for EVERYONE to continue their education.

Anyways though, I do agree with you that ignorance and stupidity is annoying as hell. I hate it when people support something and know nothing about it, even when they share my views. It's always depressing to find someone who agrees with me completely, only to realize they don't have any real understanding of the reasons behind those views.

How are scholarships left wing? Scholarships are right wing to the max... Scholarships pave the way for the best and brightest to continue their education, not for EVERYONE to continue their education.


I don't know about that. I've seen scholarships given to people just for being left-handed Eskimos.

I'm not saying all right-wingers are stupid, but if you don't know what you're talking about, SHHH.

Scholarships are Government issued, I just assumed that's a leftist idea. I'm only 15... oy.

And yes ignorance sucks...

I'm not saying all right-wingers are stupid, but if you don't know what you're talking about, SHHH.

Scholarships are Government issued, I just assumed that's a leftist idea. I'm only 15... oy.

And yes ignorance sucks...

Not all scholarships are government issued. Most are from private companies or foundations, actually. Scholarships offered directly from a public university might be said to be "government" issued, but I haven't seen many examples of direct government scholarships.

-They actually think the world is safer! Ha!
The U.S. Department of State says that international terrorism is down (http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2003/31751.htm)...Not that that's the only way to judge safety of the world...

Amyst, you beat me to responding to the scholarship statement...But here (http://www.finaid.org/scholarships/prestigious.phtml) is a link where you can find out about prestigious scholarships.

There are just as many ignorant Kerry supporters as Bush. More around me. I am from NY were Bush is hated for one reason or another. Most of my friends why they want Kerry they say "because he is not Bush" and then I ask whats so wrong with Bush and all they can come up with is "hes stupid" and pick an example. I dunno he cant pronounce words. Who gives a crap if he can't pronounce a few words. Most people vote Kerry or like him just to go with the flow. It's stupid and ignorant. I still like Bush. Deal with it.

Not all scholarships are government issued. Most are from private companies or foundations, actually. Scholarships offered directly from a public university might be said to be "government" issued, but I haven't seen many examples of direct government scholarships.

Private companies? Hm, go figure, must be them tax cuts they want, heh heh. Ah... so, I got nothing to convince them do I?

I'm not saying all right-wingers are stupid, but if you don't know what you're talking about, SHHH.

Scholarships are Government issued, I just assumed that's a leftist idea. I'm only 15... oy.

And yes ignorance sucks...

Scholarships are not all government issued... some are I don't doubt, but the vast majority are private, at least in the States. However regardless of whether they are privately or government issued, they are still mostly based on merit and accomplishments.

For example, scholarships, all the ones I've seen offered here, are either from winning a contest of some sort or from writting the best essay explaining why you should be granted the scholarship.

Enh, and I've never heard of someone getting a scholarship based on race? Where did you hear about that amyst =/

The U.S. Department of State says that international terrorism is down (http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2003/31751.htm).

Amyst, you beat me to responding to the scholarship statement...But here (http://www.finaid.org/scholarships/prestigious.phtml) is a link where you can find out about prestigious scholarships.

If you're directing the link to me, thanks, but I know about merit-based scholarships. I've got a few of my own. ^_^

If you were directing it to another poster, then ignore me, heh.

Bush supporters are rather ignorant, are they not?
Fools who think their vote matters...

Which only serves to place your own ignorance on display for all to see.

For example, scholarships, all the ones I've seen offered here, are either from winning a contest of some sort or from writting the best essay explaining why you should be granted the scholarship.

Yes but my friends are, how you say, does not know big words.

The worst thing about the ignorant is that they don't know that they're ignorant. If they did they might just shut up and listen.

True! But that applies equally to right and left, young and old, and the members of all races and all religions. Ignorance is no respecter of persons? :)

Private companies? Hm, go figure, must be them tax cuts they want, heh heh. Ah... so, I got nothing to convince them do I?

*L* A lot of the private ones will be writing an essay or answering short-answer style questions regarding a product they make and some half-assed attempt to make it a "global issue" or some crap.

Enh, and I've never heard of someone getting a scholarship based on race? Where did you hear about that amyst =/

They're mainly little scholarships (less than $500) from what I've seen, and it's not so much a "You get this for being Italian" (or whatever) but the competition for the scholarship is limited to those of Italian heritage.

For those who are interested in finding scholarships - whether high school students or college students - try www.fastweb.com for a fairly decent list of scholarships.

If you're directing the link to me, thanks, but I know about merit-based scholarships. I've got a few of my own. ^_^

If you were directing it to another poster, then ignore me, heh.It says who sponsors and awards some of the scholarships; in addition to you saying many aren't government issued, my link shows some of who else is involved.

It says who sponsors and awards some of the scholarships; in addition to you saying many aren't government issued, my link shows some of who else is involved.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks.

-They do not know the value of the party.
-They do not know the plans.
-They have failed to study both parties.
-They go on scholarship. (aka should be kiss Democrat ass...)
-They think Kerry is a communist.
-They don't care about Europe, they think America is the best and doesn't need help.
-They actually think the world is safer! Ha!
-Ignores the fact that Bush is supporting the rich.

You say this and then call yourself a Libertarian? I'm confused. A Libertarian would have wildly different arguments against Bush. What you list are arguments closer to Liberal ideology. Maybe that is what you meant?

Do you know who the Libertarian candidate is and what his platform is?

thats funny, cuz its the exact opposite in my city.

all my teachers and peers are blindly pro-kerry.

they dont know all the facts, they dont look at the other party, and they are generally ignorant and jump the bandwagon.

being a bush supporter in my city is being rebellious.

You say this and then call yourself a Libertarian? I'm confused. A Libertarian would have wildly different arguments against Bush. What you list are arguments closer to Liberal ideology. Maybe that is what you meant?

Do you know who the Libertarian candidate is and what his platform is?

Of course... not, well I don't know who the candidate is but I seem to know what his platform is. He'll legalize drugs, privitize most businesses, become isolationist, destroy gun laws, stay out of our personal lives, and color the white house hot pink! No... that's my dream... :P

But I seem to be closer to the idealogy... look, I'm 15 give me a break. I don't care if you've seen smarter people, I'm still learning. I don't debate and I'm not trying to push the Libertarian platform. I'm just trying to make them think over their choice.

I'm sorry if I seem stupid now, but damn it I'm new to this politics shit... it's NationState's fault damn it...

And yes they do seem liberal, but that's a side effect of looking at General too much :P

Ah... I'm the only poster who's willing to believe that I'm not perfect, the rest, egotrip, but you didn't hear it from me, wink wink nudge nudge ;)

Bush supporters are rather ignorant, are they not?
Fools who think their vote matters...
That's right, we are ignorant.
Libs like you remind me exactly of why I don't want you running the country. At least we conservatives haven't got a massively inflated ego, bloated with propaganda and sheer, unadulterated ignorance. After all, you would have to be ignorant to state that "Bush supporters are ignorant." I doubt sincerely that you have anything other than a misguided, unashamedly arrogant notion to back that statement up. We "ignorant" conservatives, however, can come on a thread like this and make a post without having to resort to little more than flames.

Back to intelligent discussion. I believe you will find it to be the same in many places. However, I am proud to say that I and my fellow "ignorant" South Carolinian students are all quite well versed in our politics. Of course, that might be because everyone liked Strom so much that they wanted to know exactly what he stood for. You would be amazed at the in-class discussions we have had on politics, especially in AP US History last year, and Gov. and Econ. this year. Also, since this area of South Carolina is on the beach and fairly evely distributed with northerners who moved down here, we have a good mix of libs. and cons. Thus, it is never a one-sided discussion. I doubt that my town is the only place like this. I would therefore suggest that perhaps you see them as ignorant simply because they disagree with you, and you are unwilling to hear what they have to say.

I heard their side, not really what you'd called a good defense... let's just say that Kerry and communist was in the same sentence. It was more about personal insults really... I tried sticking to the issues, but they'd either change it or insult Kerry... then again, I don't see the point in raising taxes.

My friends are so called Bush supporters:

-They do not know the value of the party.
-They do not know the plans.
I know how you feel. One of my best friends from school is a closet Democrat, but no matter what I say, he continues to support Bush. He's always talking about how "those damn liberals" are trying to outlaw profanity and keep us from watching cool tv shows. Apparently he's never heard of the Christian Right, and won't acknowledge its existence even after I've told him twenty times. Then he'll start talking about how big business is screwing workers and consumers, and in the very next sentence say how bad America will turn out if Kerry is elected. I would say don't worry about it, but then, they still get to vote, so it really is somewhat troubling.

Could be worst.

I was talking to someone I knew in high school, and she's voting for Bush for two-and only two-reasons.

1) Because "Kerry is icky." No, she would not give any mroe information on that.
2) This one REALLY confused me. Apparently Arnie over here in California is passing a law that means everyone has to be gay. That's right, everyone. Where did I get this information? From her. She got it from her mom. Her mom got it from a christian radio show. So it MUST be true. And ,because Arnold-a republican-is forcing all Californians to be gay, she wants to vote for Bush.


I'll let that one sink in a bit.

I go to a Presbytarian school... most of my teachers are Bush supporters, but at least they have some sort of legitamete response.

My friends are so called Bush supporters:

-They do not know the value of the party.
-They do not know the plans.
-They have failed to study both parties.
-They go on scholarship. (aka should be kiss Democrat ass...)
-They think Kerry is a communist.
-They don't care about Europe, they think America is the best and doesn't need help.
-They actually think the world is safer! Ha!
-Ignores the fact that Bush is supporting the rich.

Basically I'm going up against ignorance. So... any advice to at least question their beliefs? I'm a Libertarian by the way... you know ya...

Its not that big a stretch from the multitudes who support Kerry because he's not Bush. What are Lerry's stances, programs, ideas, plans, and so on? No one knows. He's proposed to do everything for everyone, last figure I saw was close to 1 trillion in new spending, varying of course on how he tweaks his plethora of programs. So simply because there are ignorant Bush supporters does not mean Kerry supporters are any more enlightened; in fact, a majority of those who say they'll probably vote for Bush do so because they support HIM, while a majority of those voting for Kerry do so because they are against Bush.

As far as some of your points, not all of those ideas are slam dunks there smartass, but thats a debate for another time.

Its not that big a stretch from the multitudes who support Kerry because he's not Bush. What are Lerry's stances, programs, ideas, plans, and so on? No one knows. He's proposed to do everything for everyone, last figure I saw was close to 1 trillion in new spending, varying of course on how he tweaks his plethora of programs. So simply because there are ignorant Bush supporters does not mean Kerry supporters are any more enlightened; in fact, a majority of those who say they'll probably vote for Bush do so because they support HIM, while a majority of those voting for Kerry do so because they are against Bush.

As far as some of your points, not all of those ideas are slam dunks there smartass, but thats a debate for another time.
And this is the kind of thing that almost made me submit an issue to kill stupid people in NationStates

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Most conservatives dont flame.

If Kerry supports governments that are communists
it dosent make him a communist in USA politics , it
makes him a leftist.

I heard their side, not really what you'd called a good defense... let's just say that Kerry and communist was in the same sentence. It was more about personal insults really... I tried sticking to the issues, but they'd either change it or insult Kerry... then again, I don't see the point in raising taxes.

I grew up in a city where the same would happen, it can be very difficult, but remaining calm is the best approach. As far as the last part of your statement, some would say raising taxes (only for the richest people, and only back to where they were before Bush took office) would help reduce the out of control debt. Though, better fiscal responsibility and prioritization would help that even more I believe.

And this is the kind of thing that almost made me submit an issue to kill stupid people in NationStates


So for you it would be a duel "kill stupid people/ assisted suicide" type of issue?

I go to a Presbytarian school... most of my teachers are Bush supporters, but at least they have some sort of legitamete response.

My friends are so called Bush supporters:

-They do not know the value of the party.
-They do not know the plans.
-They have failed to study both parties.
-They go on scholarship. (aka should be kiss Democrat ass...)
-They think Kerry is a communist.
-They don't care about Europe, they think America is the best and doesn't need help.
-They actually think the world is safer! Ha!
-Ignores the fact that Bush is supporting the rich.

Basically I'm going up against ignorance. So... any advice to at least question their beliefs? I'm a Libertarian by the way... you know ya...

Want to know what I think is hilarious, and decliciously ironic? Your ignorant misuse of the term "ignorant". Wow. I'm still laughing at the irony.

Ignorant is defined as "unaware or uninformed" or a "lack of education or knowledge". While it is true that you mention people who are uneducated, what annoys you is not that they are ignorant, but that they give the appearance of blindly adhering to a belief or political stance. It's that blind adherence that annoys you. Not their ignorance. Ignorance is not, in and of itself, a negative word. It simply means an absence of knowledge...for example, I am ignorant of nuclear physics (boy, am I...). The difference is I don't blindly follow nuclear physics without knowing the facts.

We are all ignorant...as was proven by this thread.

Irony is beautiful.

Most conservatives dont flame.
Funny. In my experience its been the exact opposite. (This is not to say that liberals don't flame. Almost everyone here flames.)

If Kerry supports governments that are communists
it dosent make him a communist in USA politics , it
makes him a leftist.
Most, if not all, presidents within the last 20 years have supported communist countries. Therefore, by your logic, they are all leftists.