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Dear citizens of the United States of America!

I make a plea to you, from myself and many other citizens of democratic countries around the world to use your powers to put an end to the reign of George W Bush.

I'm sure you remember how in the months following the tragedy of 9-11 we stood by your side and offered you our support. I'm sure you also remember how in the years afterwards your leader horribly betrayed our trust.

I'm sure you must be surprized watching the news and seeing all these people from different countries burning US flags and protesting America. This is not because they hate Americans, this is because they can't stand idly by and watch as your leader, who was not elected but scammed his way into office, pulls out of international treaties, invades sovereign countries and bombs innocent civilians all the while lying to the world and to you about everything he does.

You have a unique opportunity to prove to the world that the USA is not George Bush. That you do not support bombing Iraqi children just so that George Bush's family can get good oil contracts. That you do care for the environment and do not want more nuclear weapons. That you do not want to fight countires on the other side of the world because George Bush labelled them "the Axis of Evil" so that he can justify killing innocent people.

So please, for the good of us all, show the world that the citizens of the United States do not want a terrorist as their president!


Vote for John Kerry!

Noone cares about anything bush does outside the country its "national secruity" that matters.

Blah Blah Blah We Love Freedome !!!shiftone!!!!!111!~!!! E.t.c Support Our Troops Unpatriotic Commie Pgi!!!~!!!!!!11!!

I am going to vote for Bush because I'm pissed at the rest of the world for being pissed at the United States for not being socialist enough.

What nation are you from Empath?

George W. Bush will win re-election, and then make it a point to kick your foreign ass! We don't need soft, weak, poor, terrorist harboring,left wing idiots telling us how to run our country or who to vote for. Why don't you go donate some more to bin-Laden, or kill some more school children in Russia, or bomb some more trains in Madrid, or behead some more innocent civillians in Iraq. We will take revenge for all of these atrocites, and I warn you, don't get in the way. "You'll be sorry that you messed with the US of A, cuz we'll put a boot in your ass, it's the AMERICAN WAY!!!!!!"


:mp5: die terrorist die :sniper:

Sorry rest of the world, but the good money now is on Bush.

Woot! Bush 04

"Support our troops; don't support the guy who sent them"-Me

BUSH/CHENEY '04!!!!

P.S. The sad part about this whole situation is that even thought the rest of the world disagrees, we have the power and the balls to say I don't give a shit. How come the rest of the world says we are doing something wrong, when we are the most powerful country on earth? I see a discrepancy here. Oh wait, I got it. They want us to be weak like other countries. I GOT IT KNOW!!!

Im voting for Bush, GOD BLESS AMERICA, ENGLAND and POLAND.

France and Germany governments, sick bastards for accepting blood money from Saddam Hussein in the oil for food program scandal and then have the nerve to criticize Bush and the United States, French and German governments can go to hell. Im starting to think it would of been a better idea leaving you guys under Hitler because you all seem to forget it was us who gave you the right to argue in the first place.

BUSH/CHENEY '04!!!!

P.S. The sad part about this whole situation is that even thought the rest of the world disagrees, we have the power and the balls to say I don't give a shit. How come the rest of the world says we are doing something wrong, when we are the most powerful country on earth? I see a discrepancy here. Oh wait, I got it. They want us to be weak like other countries. I GOT IT KNOW!!!

Please don't be so hateful! :headbang:

Voting Bush in for another four years would be a gigantic mistake.

If you don't feel like having to join the army against your will (aka draft), I think it'd be very wise for young voters to vote for Kerry.

F*#@($) BUSH

Aww, guys...

Take heart. Not all Americans are like that.

What you must remember is that a huge amount of voters are uneducated, elderly, and the kind of people who take patriotism to a new level where it becomes something sick and twisted. And because W IS the gun toting, ride 'em cowboy, fry the criminals in the electric chair kind of guy, they see him as being the one who will lead the country the way they would.

Those kind of people make me cringe. I don't want someone to lead the country MY way. I'm in NO way qualified or responsible enough to make those choices.

Anyway.

The point of this was to remind you, not all of are pro-Bush, blindly following him. Our country is just about split in our support of either. And either side is chomping at the bit to crack the other one's head.

So have faith in us! There is still hope. Just pray about it, us, and the world...that's all you really can do. We'll find our way...if only to make mistakes that we learn from in the future.

Sorry rest of the world, but the good money now is on Bush.

Woot! Bush 04
We'll see how that looks after the debates...first one tonight!

George W. Bush will win re-election, and then make it a point to kick your foreign ass! We don't need soft, weak, poor, terrorist harboring,left wing idiots telling us how to run our country or who to vote for. Why don't you go donate some more to bin-Laden, or kill some more school children in Russia, or bomb some more trains in Madrid, or behead some more innocent civillians in Iraq. We will take revenge for all of these atrocites, and I warn you, don't get in the way. "You'll be sorry that you messed with the US of A, cuz we'll put a boot in your ass, it's the AMERICAN WAY!!!!!!"


die terrorist die
2 words to that:
Ignorant ass

I guess by Archidamus's logic, everybody in the world who doesn't support Bush is a terrorist. In that case, about half of the U.S. population should be arrested, and the vast majority of the population of the rest of the world are evil scum. That's ok though, we don't need other countries anyway...what good do they do for us? Of course, the same people with this "f*ck the rest of the world" attitude are usually the first ones to bring up "how many innocent Iraqis we've saved from the brutal regime of Saddam" when asked why going to war was a good idea. You can't have it both ways, people.

In this case national security has everything to do with foreign affairs.

Their is a very simple solution to the problem. The U.S. should back down from international politics, that's all. Germany has done this ever since world war 2, they are still the most important country of europe (economy, population, geographical position, etc.), yet do they ever get involved in foreign affairs? Hardly ever, they only send troops for peace keeping missions that HAVE a U.N. mandate. And that's the way it should be done.

Be advised that it is two democratic congressmen who are responsible for trying to pass a draft, has nothing to do with the republicans OR Bush. Sorry, but i dont feel like becoming a international quaker like France. I believe in the death penalty, if somone is sick enough to murder another, then they can suffer the same fate.

What do you possibly think banning automatic weapons could possibly do? Make it harder to get them? HAH yea right, we outlaw drugs like cocaine and drugs come in like candy, if we register automatic weapons, we know who they belong to, where as if we outlawed them, criminals would be getting them on the black market and they wouldnt be registered making it difficult to id the owner.

Screw the European nations, they cant even run there own countries properly what gives them the right to run ours and dictate our policies and our rules? THEIR STILL BANKRUPT, please, they see Bush as a tyrant because the governments are missing balls and have been since WWI, why do you think they dropped like flies during WWII. Only European countries i respect are England and Poland and i sure as hell admire Prime Minister Allawi, god bless him to.

Im voting for Bush, GOD BLESS AMERICA, ENGLAND and POLAND.

France and Germany governments, sick bastards for accepting blood money from Saddam Hussein in the oil for food program scandal and then have the nerve to criticize Bush and the United States, French and German governments can go to hell. Im starting to think it would of been a better idea leaving you guys under Hitler because you all seem to forget it was us who gave you the right to argue in the first place.

If it weren't for the french, you people would still be drinking tea, so stfu please. Our countries aren't perfect either, but at least we have the courage for serious self reflection. If things go wrong here, like the dutch in Srebrenica, then the people who were responsible for the failure are fired and persecuted if needed.

Be it Bush or Kerry either way the world is doomed. They both have their own agenda for what the world should look like and they will stop at nothing to achieve victory. Well that is until after the election. The loser’s side will act childish and go on a tirade about losing. For the victor, they will try to shape the entire world as they see fit. They will attempt to destroy what they disagree with and give special benefits to those who supported them. But you all can avoid such damnation and allow me to become Overlord. I have absolutely no ambition other than becoming Overlord. I have no dreams in how to shape the world, well maybe a little bit, but not as much as those two assholes.

Okay, seriously, these threads are getting old.

No matter how many times you Democrats or Europeans or Socialists or Communists post a thread on why you think the U.S. shouldn't re-elect Bush, it will never sway any votes.

If Bush wins re-election, the sky will not fall. The world will not end. Your nation will be FINE. We've all heard both sides of the story a million times in the past few months, so please, let's not bring it here, okay?

This thread just saddens me with how absolutely low some conservative Americans can sink. Oh and BTW, you know what's more pathetic than having slipped a few dollars to Saddam Hussien?? FUNDING BIN LADEN...which we did for several years. Suddenly, now that he turned on us, it's the rest of the world that's evil for maybe helping Saddam. Give me a break. The rest of the world is right to hate us. We may not have elected that worthless creep but we're dumb enough to keep him in.

If you don't feel like having to join the army against your will (aka draft), I think it'd be very wise for young voters to vote for Kerry.

Um, ok....except you know the two draft bills that went no where were both sponsored by democrats.

The point of this was to remind you, not all of are pro-Bush, blindly following him. Our country is just about split in our support of either. And either side is chomping at the bit to crack the other one's head.

I follow Bush with my eyes wide open thank you very much. I'm sorry you don't understand what Bush is doing, but that is your blindness.

We'll see how that looks after the debates...first one tonight!

This isn't going to be a debate. The "rules" they've agreed on are so awful nothing is gonna get done.

The way I vote will be determined by national security and economic policy. In no way will I consider how the rest of the world views the current president or the candidate that is running against him. It is my country that matters and not the rest of the world. The United States does not come out publically in support of one candidate over another in other western nations. Honestly, did the American media or government officials campaign for Blair in Britain during his first election? What makes you think we give a shit what you want to see in our country?

This thread just saddens me with how absolutely low some conservative Americans can sink. Oh and BTW, you know what's more pathetic than having slipped a few dollars to Saddam Hussien?? FUNDING BIN LADEN...which we did for several years. Suddenly, now that he turned on us, it's the rest of the world that's evil for maybe helping Saddam. Give me a break. The rest of the world is right to hate us. We may not have elected that worthless creep but we're dumb enough to keep him in.

The world has hated America long before they funded Bin Laden.

Dear citizens of the United States of America!

I make a plea to you, from myself and many other citizens of democratic countries around the world to use your powers to put an end to the reign of George W Bush.

I'm sure you remember how in the months following the tragedy of 9-11 we stood by your side and offered you our support. I'm sure you also remember how in the years afterwards your leader horribly betrayed our trust.

I'm sure you must be surprized watching the news and seeing all these people from different countries burning US flags and protesting America. This is not because they hate Americans, this is because they can't stand idly by and watch as your leader, who was not elected but scammed his way into office, pulls out of international treaties, invades sovereign countries and bombs innocent civilians all the while lying to the world and to you about everything he does.

You have a unique opportunity to prove to the world that the USA is not George Bush. That you do not support bombing Iraqi children just so that George Bush's family can get good oil contracts. That you do care for the environment and do not want more nuclear weapons. That you do not want to fight countires on the other side of the world because George Bush labelled them "the Axis of Evil" so that he can justify killing innocent people.

So please, for the good of us all, show the world that the citizens of the United States do not want a terrorist as their president!


Vote for John Kerry!

You lack the knowledge of American politics to make statements like this. Note: I will be voting Libertarian this election and have always voted as such.

The electoral collage is a form of a check and balance system meant to ensure that the larger states don't effectively rule the federal government. He did not steal the election. This has happened twice before in our history and no one has complained yet.

Perhaps you need to read up a bit on our system before making ethnocentric comments such as this.

I hate bush, I hate our government and I hate everyone in america that thinks that we have any right at all to go into another country and do what we want.... I support our troops but that's about it....... America isn't as powerful as we think it is....... one day someone is going to get fed up and then all the blah blah blah's I seen on this thread is going to know how the other countries feel about how the US is doing them because it will be being done to the US.... I think what happened on 9-11 is bull but we have avenged them.... how many more people have to die just because we have a stick up our ass?
you have any remarks you can email me at Shalvana_Silvermoon@hotmail.com
Have a nice f-ing day

If Bush wins re-election, the sky will not fall. The world will not end. Your nation will be FINE. We've all heard both sides of the story a million times in the past few months, so please, let's not bring it here, okay?

Aye, we ain't got any oil :)

but nah, seriously, congres has already passed a bill legitimizing an invasion of holland in case we want to trial a U.S. war criminal at our international court of justice, supported by every other nation in the world, including china.

P.S. The sad part about this whole situation is that even thought the rest of the world disagrees, we have the power and the balls to say I don't give a shit. ~edit~

Try self-centered, narrow-minded egotism. I'm voting for Kerry because he doesn't really WANT to $hit all over everyone else. We're not the only people on the bloody planet. Get over yourself.

To Empath:

Unfortunately, our votes aren't counted individually. The electoral college gets to vote AFTER we vote. That gives certain states a little more power to sway things than others. Gore WON the popular vote, but Bush became president. Please do not consider a re-election of the shrub a consensus that Americans don't give a damn about anyone but ourselves. I give a damn. I'm an American.

P.S. If he does get re-elected, can me and my hubby move to your country? Where do you live? Will you put us up for awhile until I can find another teaching job (or complete any necessary certification to qualify to teach there)?

The funny thing is people in America actually believe that their 'commander in chief' micromanages every military campaign, national security force e.t.c.

CIVIL SERVANTS AND MILITARY PERSONNEL ANYONE????


You are absolutely correct.

If it weren't for the french, you people would still be drinking tea, so stfu please. Our countries aren't perfect either, but at least we have the courage for serious self reflection. If things go wrong here, like the dutch in Srebrenica, then the people who were responsible for the failure are fired and persecuted if needed.
I drink tea all of the time. Nothing wrong with it. All the french did was blockade the British fleet in the final battle of the Revolution.

Of course, it can be argued that not until the War of 1812 was America truly liberated from Britain, which of course, France was too busy killing itself to take any part of.

The world (or some section thereof) has always hated us. In the early 1900's it was the Phillipines and South America. Now it's the Middle East. Nothing new in my opinion.

As far as acting without U.N. Mandate, I am quite happy that the government stood up for itself. The U.N. does nothing but pussyfoot around. It might very well soon turn into League of Nations v2 (Recall the U.N. regulations that required regular inspections of Iraq? I didn't think so)

"If it weren't for the french, you people would still be drinking tea, so stfu please. Our countries aren't perfect either, but at least we have the courage for serious self reflection."

We didnt forget the French helped us, furthermore, we never bashed the French as hard as they have bashed us. They turned on us, they accepted blood money from Saddam Hussein, money that should of been paying for food for starving iraqi's. That hideous, who's getting persecuted for that? Dont try and make the French government look like a saint, they traded more shit behind their backs to fertilize half of China. Sorry if we Americans have courage that Europeans seem to be lacking.

Saddam ignored all 17 UN regulations put upon him after the Gulf War as part of the Cease Fire treaty, he broke almost all UN sanctions and almost every law we have in the UN and should of but never charged for crimes against humanity. The UN went nuts demanding humanitarian aid in Somolia where 300,000 Somolians were dead. The death count of iraqi's in iraq is cutting close to 1 million with more mass graves popping up daily and counting.

The UN, especially France are hypocrits, they sat idly by not doing anything about Saddam Hussein when he should of been removed decades ago, portions of the UN were bribed and bought out by Hussein, others like France did underground trading with him and accepted the oil for food bribe.

I dont care about the European countries or what they think.

I think (as Bush-disliking English chap) that Americans should vote based on who seems to be the better guy for America, that's only reasonable. However, I would say that being fooled by the compassionated conservatism rubbish once is fine, but you shouldn't again.

Also, I understand that you shouldn't care what other countries think of you, but surely it is better to be loved & respected than feared and hated? While I bear US citizens no ill will, their government is laying waste to international conventions. I don't know if Kerry would be any better, but he seems smarter and nicer. And smarter.

Hope you all make the right decision, good luck!

I'm sure you must be surprized watching the news and seeing all these people from different countries burning US flags and protesting America. This is not because they hate Americans, this is because they can't stand idly by and watch as your leader, who was not elected but scammed his way into office, pulls out of international treaties, invades sovereign countries and bombs innocent civilians all the while lying to the world and to you about everything he does.

I got news for you, there are plently of places around the world that will still do that if Bush is voted out of office. How do I know that? It is because people were burning our flag even before Bush was in office. Will getting Bush out of office reduce flag burning? Maybe but who's to say if Kerry gets voted in that Kerry won't carry on policies similar to Bush's. Yes, maybe Kerry will go to the UN more if the US forsees a problem arising somewhere in the world, but quite frankly flag burning won't stop until the US stops sticking its nose in the world's business and as we all know this will never happen because the US has historically been active in world politics.

With that said, I'd rather not vote for either of them because they both strike me as idiots.

I just love the way Republicans seem to love Britain. Yeah, we were in the war, but the majority of British people now believe it was wrong. Also, I love it when americans praise Tony Blair, a member of a political party (the LABOUR PARTY) were members until recently called each other "comrade" and sang the red flag at party meetings, in fact some still do! Republicans supporting someone who used to be a Socialist. As Bart Simpson would say, the ironing is delicious.

Also this US Election matters more to the citizens of countries other than america. ie, Iran or anywhere else Georgie might want to get involved. So please, americans who don't want to see another four years of mindless killing vote Kerry. Has anyone stopped to think that if America was a little less in your face about things (invading other countries), they might not be such a target for terrorist types? Just a thourght for you neo-cons out there!

I think (as Bush-disliking English chap) that Americans should vote based on who seems to be the better guy for America, that's only reasonable. However, I would say that being fooled by the compassionated conservatism rubbish once is fine, but you shouldn't again.

Also, I understand that you shouldn't care what other countries think of you, but surely it is better to be loved & respected than feared and hated? While I bear US citizens no ill will, their government is laying waste to international conventions. I don't know if Kerry would be any better, but he seems smarter and nicer. And smarter.

Hope you all make the right decision, good luck!

What did that quote go like?

"'Tis better to be feared than loved"?

With that said, I'd rather not vote for either of them because they both strike me as idiots.

The bottom line is, do you want things to stay the same, or do you want to keep your fingers crossed and hope something changes? If you want to change things, vote someone ELSE into office. If you want things to stay the same, we know what Bush has done, there's no indication that his actions will change. Just think, the things he's been up to are milder than they will be in this upcoming term. He's always had the accountability of re-election time to keep him in check. The lies, misguidance, underfunding education, and debt will increase exponentially when he doesn't have to give a fig about re-election.

Don't pi$$ your vote away. Get off your @$$ and do something about it.

What did that quote go like?

"'Tis better to be feared than loved"?

Maybe, but 'tis far better to be respected than feared (or hated, or even loved, if you ask me...).

The world has hated America long before they funded Bin Laden.

...Except now everyone wants to join in the fun. People should first worry about their own country before they decide they're the next president. What's that saying?... Everyone knows how to run a country except it's leaders...

Anti-Bush people like to pretend that the world hating the U.S. is new, guess what . . .
IT ISN'T!!!
Anti-Bush people like to pretend that other nations would help the U.S. if John Kerry assumes the reigns of power, guess what . . .
THEY WON'T!!!
Anti-Bush people like to pretend that everyone was unified with America after 9/11, guess what . . .
THEY WEREN'T!!!
Anti-Bush people like to pretend that there is a rational reason for anti-U.S. sentiment, guess what . . .
THERE ISN'T!!!
Anti-Bush people like to pretend, and guess what . . .
They tend to be delusional.

I respect Britain, they have strong will, good backbone, their losing it, its understandable, war's not pretty, and the major fighting is not taking place on Britains ground, they dont have to fight, but Tony Blair see's the cause in it. Im tired of seeing innocent people die like the kids in iraq, they didnt deserve that, neither did the people in 9/11 or the people in spain or Russia. We cannot eliminate the enemy when their is a government willing to hide them, come on people, a insane dictator like Saddam Hussein is more then willing to hide another man who kills people Hussein hates himself in his territory. You cant deny that, you can deny that he supplied them or funded them, but you cant deny he didnt hide terrorists like Zarqawi. We have to beat them on their ground in order to keep them off ours.

This thread is depressing.

Yes, America is the worlds only super power, but power does not equal greatness. Before you say it, no I am not jealous, the Europeans had their time of being super powers and they behaved just as despicably.

Anti-Bush people like to pretend that the world hating the U.S. is new, guess what . . .
IT ISN'T!!!
Anti-Bush people like to pretend that other nations would help the U.S. if John Kerry assumes the reigns of power, guess what . . .
THEY WON'T!!!
Anti-Bush people like to pretend that everyone was unified with America after 9/11, guess what . . .
THEY WEREN'T!!!
Anti-Bush people like to pretend that there is a rational reason for anti-U.S. sentiment, guess what . . .
THERE ISN'T!!!
Anti-Bush people like to pretend, and guess what . . .
They tend to be delusional.

Tell the truth. That's no lie.

We didnt forget the French helped us, furthermore, we never bashed the French as hard as they have bashed us. They turned on us, they accepted blood money from Saddam Hussein, money that should of been paying for food for starving iraqi's. That hideous, who's getting persecuted for that? Dont try and make the French government look like a saint, they traded more shit behind their backs to fertilize half of China. Sorry if we Americans have courage that Europeans seem to be lacking.

Acutally, we're the ones who funded Saddam in the first place. So, should we be told to bugger off and stick our noses in antholes? Probably you should look in the mirror before you point your finger and call someone else ugly. Nobody's making the French out as Saints. Of course, if we get to argue that "they'd be speaking German right now if..." then I think they can say "you'd still be colonies if..." with the exact same amount of truth. We don't have courage, we have egotism. That's all it amounts to.

Saddam ignored all 17 UN regulations put upon him after the Gulf War as part of the Cease Fire treaty, he broke almost all UN sanctions and almost every law we have in the UN and should of but never charged for crimes against humanity. The UN went nuts demanding humanitarian aid in Somolia where 300,000 Somolians were dead. The death count of iraqi's in iraq is cutting close to 1 million with more mass graves popping up daily and counting.

And Bush has ignored UN sanctions to stay the heck out of Iraq. He's refused to sign past treaties. He oppresses US Citizens. We have Saddam. Where's OSAMA? (Who we also funded, thankyouverymuch.) Bush is in bed with big oil AND the Bin Laden family. Haliburton anyone?

The UN, especially France are hypocrits, they sat idly by not doing anything about Saddam Hussein when he should of been removed decades ago, portions of the UN were bribed and bought out by Hussein, others like France did underground trading with him and accepted the oil for food bribe.

I dont care about the European countries or what they think.

You're the one pointing and shouting, "criminal" without looking to your revered king of the hypocrites, G.W. Bush. We attacked Iraq so we could snag some of their crude. Live with it. We need to consider what he'll do if he isn't worried about re-election.

What did that quote go like?

"'Tis better to be feared than loved"?
Can't say I've ever heard it. I CAN say I don't agree with it.

~edit~
Anti-Bush people like to pretend that everyone was unified with America after 9/11, guess what . . .
THEY WEREN'T!!!
Anti-Bush people like to pretend that there is a rational reason for anti-U.S. sentiment, guess what . . .
THERE ISN'T!!!
Anti-Bush people like to pretend, and guess what . . .
They tend to be delusional.

Know what? MOST of the world WAS unified with us (and, subsequently willing to offer what aid they could). That good-will was squandered. Yes, SOMEBODY is always going to hate us. Let's try to make sure the rest of the CIVILIZED world isn't part of that group that hates us, thank you. There is a rationale for the anti-US sentiment. Our uneducated president acts like an overgrown bully (for the record, he ran every company he had control over into the ground, what makes you think WE'RE any different?). Oh, and you're the one who comes across as delusional. Mr. Bush had everyone on his side. Many countries considered 9/11 an attack on ALL of the civilized world. Where were we when Australia needed us? It got a brief mention in the news. Bush said nothing. Bush did nothing. We still don't have Osama. Heck, he's not even a priority anymore.

I respect Britain, they have strong will, good backbone, their losing it, its understandable, war's not pretty, and the major fighting is not taking place on Britains ground, they dont have to fight, but Tony Blair see's the cause in it. Im tired of seeing innocent people die like the kids in iraq, they didnt deserve that, neither did the people in 9/11 or the people in spain or Russia. We cannot eliminate the enemy when their is a government willing to hide them, come on people, a insane dictator like Saddam Hussein is more then willing to hide another man who kills people Hussein hates himself in his territory. You cant deny that, you can deny that he supplied them or funded them, but you cant deny he didnt hide terrorists like Zarqawi. We have to beat them on their ground in order to keep them off ours.

Actually, to keep them from attacking "us", we should go back in time and refrain from giving "them" money to protect us from RED RUSSIA. We aren't the only people on the planet.

"Farewell to arms
Rest in peace
May the reign of freedom be released
Farewell to arms
We just can’t walk away
We’re all sharing this earth at the end of the day"

Voting Bush in for another four years would be a gigantic mistake.

If you don't feel like having to join the army against your will (aka draft), I think it'd be very wise for young voters to vote for Kerry.

F*#@($) BUSH
You are the biggest, dumbest, most politically unsavvy person I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. That draft reinstatement possibility is old news, and will never happen. The people who sponsored it were Democrats, who tried to use it as a scare-tactic to bring more voters to their side. So fuck the Democrats, they'll send you to war unwillingly if it wins them an election, and you can't say that about Bush. He hasn't expressed any desire whatsoever, and all the Republicans vehemently oppose it. The draft weakens our forces because an unwilling soldier is a useless soldier.

Well, yes, nothing wrong with that. If sending you to war wins you an election, at least that war is democratically supported.

But conscription is always wrong

Vote for John Kerry!

No way! :mad:

My god, people are either blind, foolish, or both.

The very nature of this discussion is laughable. Foreigners are telling us who to vote for and we are supposed to listen and take them seriously!?! Are we to assume that they are looking out for the interest of our nation and its people over their own? Well I suppose after all, they are primarily from liberal/socialist European nations who apparently know what's right and good for everyone, everywhere. I, however, disagree.

Which brings me to a second point. How often does a sizeable and INDEPENDENT group of Americans tell someone in, say, France, or any other nation, who to vote for? When do we ever give a damn which rediculous, bastardized coalition of narrow-minded, single-issue parties you elect to your unstable government (yes, this is a generalization)? And don't you dare make some comment about how this is only the result of some defeciency on the part of the average American, who apparently knows nothing regarding foreign issues or governments. The fact is that NO ONE outside of a given nation or culture has any business in assuming that they properly understand these people's goals and needs. I will never tell a Frenchman who would best promote their needs, for I am in no position to truly fathom them.

This, of course, is not to say that the American government does not get involved in foreign politics (which there is no doubt that it does). However, when it does so it is perfectly clear that it is doing so with its own best interests in mind, with no qualm whatsoever about doing so. There are instances (such as Iraq) where persuing our selfish interests does improve the lot of the average foreign citizen, but this is not and should not even be an issue.

The fact of the matter is that I, as an American, feel it is my duty to advance my nation and its ALLIES (not allies on paper, or of the past, but those who truly share our ideals and actively promote them in the present). If this advancement comes at the cost of other nations, so be it. I will not sacrifice any amount of my nation's greatness for any other, and would not expect them to do so either. I support Bush, because he follows these same beliefs, and refuses to make compromises WITH THOSE WHO WOULD WISH US WEAKENED.

Everyone needs to wake up and see the writing on the wall:
And in the naked light I saw, ten-thousand people maybe more.
People talking without speaking, people hearing without listening.

Can't say I've ever heard it. I CAN say I don't agree with it.

Here it is:

"It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both."

Author: Niccolo Machiavelli (Macchiavelli)

Source: The Prince

This thread is depressing.

Yes, America is the worlds only super power, but power does not equal greatness. Before you say it, no I am not jealous, the Europeans had their time of being super powers and they behaved just as despicably.
I think this may be one of the most reasonable posts I have ever seen from a European in reference to America.

Also, I would point out that the US has thus far avoided Imperialism, which is why Puerto Rico has been refused statehood. The constantly repeated reaosn has been that we want to preserve their cultural identity. We gave the Phillipines their independence long ago. We are rebuilding Iraq and giving back control to its own people. I'd say we at least have been kind enough to not try to keep anything we take.

^^^
haha

**Acutally, we're the ones who funded Saddam in the first place.

No, the Ba'ath Party 'funded' Saddam. We supported him during the Iraq-Iran war. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

**And Bush has ignored UN sanctions to stay the heck out of Iraq. He's refused to sign past treaties. He oppresses US Citizens. We have Saddam. Where's OSAMA? (Who we also funded, thankyouverymuch.) Bush is in bed with big oil AND the Bin Laden family. Haliburton anyone?

There were no 'sanctions' to stay out of Iraq. Heck, there weren't even UNresolutions prohibiting actions in Iraq. What the US did, WMDs or no WMDs was enforce UN resolutions- like it or not. If there is no threat of force behind UN resolutions, well the security council might is well fart in a bathtub to resolve problems. But since several countries were making money off Iraqi contracts (Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys), they did their damnedest to prevent US actions. There is more evidence of a big UN scam going on than there is about your freaking Illuminati Halliburton hogwash.


** We attacked Iraq so we could snag some of their crude. Live with it. We need to consider what he'll do if he isn't worried about re-election.

Where is the evidence that we attacked Iraq for oil? And please, no "it's obvious!" horseshit. It's also obvious that the Earth is flat and that the sun revolves around it, but that doesn't make it fact.



:headbang:

My god, people are either blind, foolish, or both.

The very nature of this discussion is laughable. Foreigners are telling us who to vote for and we are supposed to listen and take them seriously!?! Are we to assume that they are looking out for the interest of our nation and its people over their own? Well I suppose after all, they are primarily from liberal/socialist European nations who apparently know what's right and good for everyone, everywhere. I, however, disagree.

Telling us who to vote for, no. Suggesting we evaluate what Bush has done to our foreign affairs, yes. We're the ones acting like we know what's good and right for everyone. If we're going to be a superpower, perhaps we should take the rest of the world into consideration.

Which brings me to a second point. How often does a sizeable and INDEPENDENT group of Americans tell someone in, say, France, or any other nation, who to vote for? ~edit~

We're in the BUSINESS of removing "hostile" governments and instituting people we prefer instead. If you really want the list, I'm sure we can all oblige...

This, of course, is not to say that the American government does not get involved in foreign politics (which there is no doubt that it does). However, when it does so it is perfectly clear that it is doing so with its own best interests in mind, with no qualm whatsoever about doing so. There are instances (such as Iraq) where persuing our selfish interests does improve the lot of the average foreign citizen, but this is not and should not even be an issue.

Get INVOLVED in foreign politics? We practically DICTATE several of them. The issue is that Bush is bullying other contries into smithereens and has lost sight of "the target" in the meantime. Iraq is irrelevant. Where's OSAMA? Has Bush delivered him? No.

The fact of the matter is that I, as an American, feel it is my duty to advance my nation and its ALLIES (not allies on paper, or of the past, but those who truly share our ideals and actively promote them in the present). If this advancement comes at the cost of other nations, so be it. I will not sacrifice any amount of my nation's greatness for any other, and would not expect them to do so either. I support Bush, because he follows these same beliefs, and refuses to make compromises WITH THOSE WHO WOULD WISH US WEAKENED.

Well done you. Narcissus was turned into a flower. May you join Narcissus.

Everyone needs to wake up and see the writing on the wall:
And in the naked light I saw, ten-thousand people maybe more.
People talking without speaking, people hearing without listening.

"Yes, 'n' how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?
Yes, 'n' how many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind."

--Bob Dylan

Ask yourself this:
Is America Better off now than it was four years ago?

Now, this may be dangerous, because some people are horribly mislead, uninformed or otherwise ignorant about the state of our country. But if you look at the facts: We're not. Unfortunatly, Kerry is the best vote.

http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com/
>>"How |=ucked we are right now" Link

Know what? MOST of the world WAS unified with us (and, subsequently willing to offer what aid they could).
Check a dictionary, sweety, "most" and "all" are two entirely different words. Anways, if you qualify people saying "I'm sorry, that wasn't very nice of them" as support, I suppose you would be right. If you qualify actual concern or aid given as support, well, then you are dead wrong.

That good-will was squandered.
That good-will had no impact. Squandered or no, nothing has changed.

Yes, SOMEBODY is always going to hate us. Let's try to make sure the rest of the CIVILIZED world isn't part of that group that hates us, thank you.
Funny, it seems that Britain and Poland must be uncivilized. Ghastly beasts they are, I guess. Once again, the "rest of the civilized world" never was very fond of us.

There is a rationale for the anti-US sentiment. Our uneducated president acts like an overgrown bully (for the record, he ran every company he had control over into the ground, what makes you think WE'RE any different?).
I wonder, how many degrees do you have, bonne amie? How many are from Ivy league schools?
Obviously, more than me, as I was pretty sure that Clinton was in command on October 12, 2000 (the USS Cole bombing), unless terrorists have some sort of magical power that lets them predict elections. It must have a pretty long reach as they were retaliating against Pesident George W. Bush as early as 1993 when a truck bomb was driven into the World Trade Center. Or were these incidents just "love bites."

Oh, and you're the one who comes across as delusional.
Oddly enough, it appears to be you who are delusional.

Mr. Bush had everyone on his side. Many countries considered 9/11 an attack on ALL of the civilized world.
We've both already addressed this.

Where were we when Australia needed us? It got a brief mention in the news. Bush said nothing. Bush did nothing.
Australian problems were not on par with 9/11. Anyways, what good does saying "There, there." actually do?

We still don't have Osama. Heck, he's not even a priority anymore.
Osama is currently being pursued. However, aside from releasing annoying videos, he has yet to do anything major again, implying that he has been knocked down several pegs and isn't really a danger right now. Thus, not a priority over the other nutcases out there in the world.

You are the biggest, dumbest, most politically unsavvy person I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. That draft reinstatement possibility is old news, and will never happen. The people who sponsored it were Democrats, who tried to use it as a scare-tactic to bring more voters to their side. So fuck the Democrats, they'll send you to war unwillingly if it wins them an election, and you can't say that about Bush. He hasn't expressed any desire whatsoever, and all the Republicans vehemently oppose it. The draft weakens our forces because an unwilling soldier is a useless soldier.

Hey...don't flame. :(

Foreigners are telling us who to vote for and we are supposed to listen and take them seriously!?! Um, yeah, we kind of share a world with them. Darn right we should listen to what they think.

Oh, and although Kerry's no foreign policy genius, he at least not as morally superior in his attitude and policies as our current pres.

http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com/Best. Site. Ever. I send it to all my religious, republican friends here (not sure how much effect it's had though).

Um, yeah, we kind of share a world with them. Darn right we should listen to what they think.

No offense, but who cares what they think? I don't- and I don't think they should care what we think, either.

Voting Bush in for another four years would be a gigantic mistake.

If you don't feel like having to join the army against your will (aka draft), I think it'd be very wise for young voters to vote for Kerry.

F*#@($) BUSH


Who cares about being forced to join the military, hell it would do most of the disrespectful, uneducated, rap addicted little brats some good, so quit whining just because you couldnt even cut it in the airforce, hell im in the military and I have a great job so until you have served shut your mouth.

No offense, but who cares what they think? I don't- and I don't think they should care what we think, either.We should care:
A) because if we don't, we're idiots looking for a fall,
B) because yes, we do share a world with them, and yes, international relations are extremely important,
c) because they're right, in this case. :p

Check a dictionary, sweety, "most" and "all" are two entirely different words. Anways, if you qualify people saying "I'm sorry, that wasn't very nice of them" as support, I suppose you would be right. If you qualify actual concern or aid given as support, well, then you are dead wrong.

That good-will had no impact. Squandered or no, nothing has changed.

I don't remember ever saying that EVERYONE liked us after 9/11. I do remember asserting that most of them felt for us. That's a lot more sympathy than we've EVER had in the history of our becoming a sovereign nation. I don't think that's as pointless as you seem to think it is. If you really don't think it matters what anyone thinks of us, perhaps you should consider what the hijackers of those planes thought of us.

Funny, it seems that Britain and Poland must be uncivilized. Ghastly beasts they are, I guess. Once again, the "rest of the civilized world" never was very fond of us.

Again, I never stated that the whole civilized world EVER liked us, just that it might benefit us to try to get civilized countries on our side. You didn't really read my post at all, did you?

I wonder, how many degrees do you have, bonne amie? How many are from Ivy league schools?

I have two degrees. And don't patronize me by calling me friend when you obviously don't give a damn about me. Neither of them are from Ivy League schools, though because I don't happen to have that kind of money.

Obviously, more than me, as I was pretty sure that Clinton was in command on October 12, 2000 (the USS Cole bombing), unless terrorists have some sort of magical power that lets them predict elections. It must have a pretty long reach as they were retaliating against Pesident George W. Bush as early as 1993 when a truck bomb was driven into the World Trade Center. Or were these incidents just "love bites."

Clinton was, at the time of his administration, seriously concerned with the threat of Osama bin Laden. Those were not "love bites" they were, as you assert, genuine hatred. They were not, however, the same kind of high profile attack as 9/11. The incoming Bush adminstration didn't see fit to determine whether those intelligence memos regarding bin Laden were worth their time. Bush went on vacation instead of looking into it.

Oddly enough, it appears to be you who are delusional.

Guess again. If terrorism was the only reason I was against Bush, I wouldn't have much to say, would I? Fortunately for me, my concerns are also educational funding (first and foremost, I happen to teach in a public school), the economy, health care, living wages, ... etc.

Australian problems were not on par with 9/11. Anyways, what good does saying "There, there." actually do?

1. If we were going to continue deciding whether or not to bother with someone else's national tragedy just because it's not on par with 9/11, people would quit arguing that we're in Iraq to "help the oppressed people" in another country. We'll be waiting around awhile before giving aid to oppressed peoples, if that's what we're waiting for.

2. Saying, "there, there" may not bandage the wound, but it's certainly reassuring. Are you saying you've never sent a "get well" card to a neighbor?

Osama is currently being pursued. However, aside from releasing annoying videos, he has yet to do anything major again, implying that he has been knocked down several pegs and isn't really a danger right now. Thus, not a priority over the other nutcases out there in the world.

So, as long as he doesn't bother us, we needn't worry about him, right? Was Saddam bothering us? We worried about him, didn't we? Bush is making Bin Laden more friends every day he's in office... I think that's something we need to think about. Apparently you don't.

We should care:
A) because if we don't, we're idiots looking for a fall,
B) because yes, we do share a world with them, and yes, international relations are extremely important,
c) because they're right, in this case. :p

While I agree we should respect other nations' opinions, letting international opinion dictate our policies is, in my opinion, absurd (which is one of the main reasons I'm not voting for Kerry).

We should care:

Why should we care when they don't care about us?

A) because if we don't, we're idiots looking for a fall,

And yet we have survived 200 years with only 1 civil war! How many nations can claim that? How many nations have reached the top within 200 years of existence? How many revolutions were fought PRIOR to the American Revolution for Independence and succeeded? Are we looking for a fall? No we are not.

B) because yes, we do share a world with them, and yes, international relations are extremely important,

We do share a world yes. I will not dispute this.

c) because they're right, in this case. :p

doubtful, highly doubtful

Vote Bush '04

While I agree we should respect other nations' opinions, letting international opinion dictate our policies is, in my opinion, absurd (which is one of the main reasons I'm not voting for Kerry).
We don't have to let them dictate our policies - what I strongly object to is the mentality displayed in this thread that "We're the greatest. Up yours, world!"

We don't have to let them dictate our policies - what I strongly object to is the mentality displayed in this thread that "We're the greatest. Up yours, world!"

Agreed.

Why should we care when they don't care about us? Where are you getting this opinion from? The very fact that one policy of the US or another is the topic of most political threads in here shows that other people do care, a lot.

And yet we have survived 200 years with only 1 civil war! How many nations can claim that? How many nations have reached the top within 200 years of existence? How many revolutions were fought PRIOR to the American Revolution for Independence and succeeded? Are we looking for a fall? No we are not. Yeah, everyone has their ups and downs - we're having an up period, that doesn't give us the right to ignore everyone else. The Roman Empire has it's up period until its masses revolted and some dirty foreigners became too much for them.

We do share a world yes. I will not dispute this.Good, good, I'm going to go hug a tree now.

doubtful, highly doubtful Well, that was my opinion. You're welcome to disagree.

Vote Bush '04 No thanks, I'm registered to vote and just requested an absentee ballot from New Mexico - will definitely be doing my part to see that our EVs go to Kerry.

Where are you getting this opinion from? The very fact that one policy of the US or another is the topic of most political threads in here shows that other people do care, a lot.

Sorry I just had to say that though I really don't care what the rest of the world thinks about my country.

Yeah, everyone has their ups and downs - we're having an up period, that doesn't give us the right to ignore everyone else. The Roman Empire has it's up period until its masses revolted and some dirty foreigners became too much for them.

Agreed. Here you are right regarding the Romans.

Good, good, I'm going to go hug a tree now.

Careful or the chainsaw that is going to turn that tree into firewood might get you. :p

Well, that was my opinion. You're welcome to disagree.

Your right, I will disagree.

No thanks, I'm registered to vote and just requested an absentee ballot from New Mexico - will definitely be doing my part to see that our EVs go to Kerry.

Well at least you are voting and for that I applaud you.

I am in full support of the thread starter. George W. Bush is bad for the world and bad for the US.

- from a free German citizen

america is NOT the strongest most powerfull country america is the rebelious little child in school that picks on everyone else to boost their ego. and other countries just want the u s to "take a chill pill" and realize that life i'snt about globalization or being superior to others. people say freedom doesn't come free and there is a price to pay. well why then is the u s in iraq "liberating" another country. why should they get to sit back and let someone else pay the price for their freedom. bush sux kerry sux. vote cobb.

George W. Bush is bad for the world and bad for the US.

Correct, but don't forget, Kerry is as bad, if not worse. :(

Sorry I will vote for Bush
I can not vote for kerry

Join the Bush-Jugend!
Rid the world of the filthy terrorist swine!

Gott mit uns!

Aww, guys...

Take heart. Not all Americans are like that.

What you must remember is that a huge amount of voters are uneducated, elderly, and the kind of people who take patriotism to a new level where it becomes something sick and twisted. And because W IS the gun toting, ride 'em cowboy, fry the criminals in the electric chair kind of guy, they see him as being the one who will lead the country the way they would.

Those kind of people make me cringe. I don't want someone to lead the country MY way. I'm in NO way qualified or responsible enough to make those choices.

Anyway.

The point of this was to remind you, not all of are pro-Bush, blindly following him. Our country is just about split in our support of either. And either side is chomping at the bit to crack the other one's head.

So have faith in us! There is still hope. Just pray about it, us, and the world...that's all you really can do. We'll find our way...if only to make mistakes that we learn from in the future.

actually, i dont see him as a 'kill 'em all hic cowboy' - i see him as a president who takes the initiative and sticks to his ideals, no matter what others say. Hes not on a corperate leash! hes pro-buisness, and you cant say he is on a corperate leash because then you would have to say Clinton was too (as Haliburton got no-bid contracts in Serbia also, because they do it the best).

Bush sticks to his guns, he doesnt flip-flop and promise trillion dollar projects, but he does stand up for this county's citizens and he is going to get this economy back on its feet! and still make the land a safe land, by defending us at home and attacking terrorists abroad.

ofcourse there are some policies i dont believe in (im pro-choice, pro-gaymarriage,anti-deathpenalty, etc.) but i dont believe that Kerry will be better then Bush... no way.

What the rest of the world thinks does matter. It decides who we should help, and who we should let rot on the vine. I'll vote for who I want to vote for. No one but me will make my decision for me. That is the essential to a thriving republic, like the one I live in today. Many people hate the US because we have so much freedom and wealth. In the end, america will still be standing. All that can change is what type of republic we will be. The last great republic like us were the romans, and our founding fathers patterned much of our nation on the roman republic. When the barbarians came knocking on the romans door, they responded by changing, if it becomes bad enough, the US can change to deal with the threat. I pray I do not live to see the day.

So ait, after 9-11, when the world stood solidly behind Bush and all that, what happened that took that support away?

And why does the US supposedly bombing children immediately jump to mind while the starvation, torture, gassing, and systemic rape of hundreds of thousands of those same children over twenty some years merit no response?

a president who takes the initiative and sticks to his ideals, no matter what others sayOh yeah, I really admire a guy who can't admit when he's wrong, even when the rest of the world has proven he is. :rolleyes:

This may be shocking. I know it will astound many of you Bush supporters. I may even be called a liar. But...

There is life outside of the United States!

I am going to vote for Bush because I'm pissed at the rest of the world for being pissed at the United States for not being socialist enough.

George W. Bush will win re-election, and then make it a point to kick your foreign ass! We don't need soft, weak, poor, terrorist harboring,left wing idiots telling us how to run our country or who to vote for. Why don't you go donate some more to bin-Laden, or kill some more school children in Russia, or bomb some more trains in Madrid, or behead some more innocent civillians in Iraq. We will take revenge for all of these atrocites, and I warn you, don't get in the way. "You'll be sorry that you messed with the US of A, cuz we'll put a boot in your ass, it's the AMERICAN WAY!!!!!!"


No matter how many times you Democrats or Europeans or Socialists or Communists post a thread on why you think the U.S. shouldn't re-elect Bush, it will never sway any votes.
OK, it sounds like Bush fans are not really concerned about terrorism as much as they're afraid of and angry with "the left". Some even think that the left support terrorism. I wonder how desperately stupid Bush supporters can get. Of course there are smart Bush supporters and there are stupid Bush haters. But I won't pretend that I don't see the lower average intelligence/maturity level of Bush supporters (especially the "I hate everyone but Republicans" constituency [see below]) as compared to everyone else.

We didnt forget the French helped us, furthermore, we never bashed the French as hard as they have bashed us. They turned on us.

I dont care about the European countries or what they think.
The French didn't help out Saddam. Prove that they funded his resistance against the US invasion. Prove that they sent troops to help him. No, you can't, because they haven't bashed you hard. France was technically neutral in the Iraq war. But you seem to think that verbal criticism amounts to hatred and betrayal. Who ever said anything about making the French government out to be saints? The US gov't is no better than them.

I'm sorry that you hate Europe; your loss. But you should understand that America can't do everything alone. Its power is not unlimited.

The world (or some section thereof) has always hated us. In the early 1900's it was the Phillipines and South America. Now it's the Middle East. Nothing new in my opinion.
Yeah, it's basically wherever you act like imperialists that people hate you.

Anti-Bush people like to pretend that the world hating the U.S. is new, guess what . . .
IT ISN'T!!!
Anti-Bush people like to pretend that other nations would help the U.S. if John Kerry assumes the reigns of power, guess what . . .
THEY WON'T!!!
Anti-Bush people like to pretend that everyone was unified with America after 9/11, guess what . . .
THEY WEREN'T!!!
Anti-Bush people like to pretend that there is a rational reason for anti-U.S. sentiment, guess what . . .
THERE ISN'T!!!
Anti-Bush people like to pretend, and guess what . . .
They tend to be delusional.
You're only even partially right on the first point.

This thread is depressing.
I find it sad that Bush supporters seem to hate everyone who doesn't support Bush, especially Europeans. Their attitudes are downright anti-European.

Osama is currently being pursued. However, aside from releasing annoying videos, he has yet to do anything major again, implying that he has been knocked down several pegs and isn't really a danger right now. Thus, not a priority over the other nutcases out there in the world.
But Osama attacked America! I don't care if he spends all day every day in bed, he should be a high priority for justice.

Don't pi$$ your vote away. Get off your @$$ and do something about it.

And don't you jump to conclusions. I never said I wouldn't vote or wouldn't vote with reason. In fact, I plan to vote and vote for the person I think can best serve as president. So don't go around insulting me like that. All I said was the two major canidates seem like idiots to me. I mean come on we have how many people living in the US and those two are the best fricking people we can come up with to run the country?

But Osama attacked America! I don't care if he spends all day every day in bed, he should be a high priority for justice.


Who says he's not?

Don't vote that monster again.

Not another one of these!

When will we all learn that these threads aren't helping anyone, especially the voters? Why do we have to keep going over this over and over?

Now, enough with my tantrum.

I thank you for offering us your advice as to why you don't want Bush to be re-elected. I respect your opinions on why not. However, I do not feel you (non-Americans) know enough about American politics no matter how much they affect you, to persuade me to change my vote.

I am concerned with my nation and my nation only. If what's best for my nation involves a time of benevolent peace with the world, then that's great. If what's best for my nation involves invading your nation, well that's great too (for me, not for you). If what's best for my nation involves both of those, then that's great too.

Voting Bush in for another four years would be a gigantic mistake.

If you don't feel like having to join the army against your will (aka draft), I think it'd be very wise for young voters to vote for Kerry.

F*#@($) BUSH

No one is reinstating the draft. :rolleyes: How long is this dead horse going to be beaten? Y'all think Bush is a warmonger, and I believe Kerry is a fearmonger. You want to vote for Kerry, go ahead, it is your right to do so. But it is also our right to vote for Bush, if that's who we think will get the job done best. Kerry still needs to make up his mind what the job is. I watched the debates tonight, Kerry once again stated that he has held a consistent view, that he feels the war in Iraq was a mistake. Someone should remind him that when the little red light is on, that means the camera is recording what he is saying. It's not a matter of the righties/neocons/Fox news distorting his words, they're HIS words. I listened to Kerry say more than once he was GOING to secure the nukes (nuclear materials, etc.) in Russia within 4 years. What do you suppose Putin's going to have to say about that? Kerry claims to have a plan to "win the peace" in Iraq, yet even though when asked a point blank question as to what that plan was, which he said he would outline, he danced around the subject. Kerry talked about he would put America first, then later talked about getting global consensus (not the exact word he used, but same idea) when planning to take action against terrorism. This is who you think will be the better president?

And to other countries who want Kerry in, you're also entitled to your opinion, but don't presume to tell us who the better man is. We're capable of figuring that out.

Also, I would point out that the US has thus far avoided Imperialism, which is why Puerto Rico has been refused statehood. The constantly repeated reaosn has been that we want to preserve their cultural identity. We gave the Phillipines their independence long ago. We are rebuilding Iraq and giving back control to its own people. I'd say we at least have been kind enough to not try to keep anything we take.

Uhm, you know what happened with Hawaii?
Hawaii was a sovereign, DEMOCRATIC nation before we came in. We basically rolled up into Hawaii with our navy and said, you're ours now what're you going to do about it? Puerto Rico voted against becoming a state on another note.

Foreigners are telling us who to vote for and we are supposed to listen and take them seriously!?! Are we to assume that they are looking out for the interest of our nation and its people over their own?

To be honest I don't think they care about us, and they don't need to. They care about the world in general, which is also what we "profess" to do with our actions. However invading sovereign nations, that pose no threat to us (what WMD's? We found none) goes against the UN Charter, which we helped to initiate. Kind of silly isn't it.


And to all you people who say France didn't help us, sure they did. Their navy actually could compete with England, ever heard of impressment? England was capturing American vessels and forcing the crew and those aboard to serve in the Royal Navy. France helped battle England in that. Learn history, its easy, they have it written down in books for you even.

Regardless of who you vote for, why take an aggressive stance towards other peoples beliefs. We are allowed to believe what we want, and that's the American way. By saying someone is wrong for their belief is being Un-American, just do your thing, I'll do mine, whoever wins is the winner. That simple.

In any case, Yee-Haw is not an acceptable foreign policy.

The point of this was to remind you, not all of are pro-Bush, blindly following him.

Favoring Bush doesn't make me anymore blind than it makes you for favoring Kerry. It's a difference of opinions, to which we are all entitled, not just as Americans, but as Humans. People who are capable of presenting their points without degenerating into insults (like Incertonia, Bonnybridge, etc.) are more likely to get others to see their point of view than those who claim to be knowledgeable yet can't seem to come up with a better argument than "you're an idiot" (generalising). ;)

Of course, the same people with this "f*ck the rest of the world" attitude are usually the first ones to bring up "how many innocent Iraqis we've saved from the brutal regime of Saddam" when asked why going to war was a good idea. You can't have it both ways, people.

That logic also works both ways. People are saying "you can't go to war with Iraq, you're killing innocent civilians." Yet innocent civilians WERE being killed by Saddam.

For the record, I don't share the "F" the world mentality, but I don't appreciate people from other countries being so critical. Either way you look at it, innocents were being killed before, and are dying now. You can't seriously believe the better choice was to leave Saddam alone.

You can't seriously believe the better choice was to leave Saddam alone.Yeah, actually, I really do. First of all, attempting to spread freedom and democracy is comendable, but you cannot force it on a people, we've never been able to force it on anyone, it's always been a disaster when we've tried. And second, Saddam didn't attack us, it wasn't our business to get him out of power. And third, saving the lives on innocent people was not a reason we went to war - it's only become a reason because that is just about the only thing you can argue Iraq's gotten out of this.

Im voting for Bush, GOD BLESS AMERICA, ENGLAND and POLAND.

France and Germany governments, sick bastards for accepting blood money from Saddam Hussein in the oil for food program scandal and then have the nerve to criticize Bush and the United States, French and German governments can go to hell. Im starting to think it would of been a better idea leaving you guys under Hitler because you all seem to forget it was us who gave you the right to argue in the first place.

I'm guessing that you forgot about the American Revolution... you know, the French supported your side against the Brits. Or maybe, that in WW2, it was the soviets, not the Americans or Brits, who made the intially breakthrough of German lines... Perhaps the French and Germans should be praising the Name of Joseph Stalin and not Churchill, and Roosevelt?

What the rest of the world thinks does matter.

Ultimately I agree ... opinions on non-Americans about an American President are important and worth considering if you are an American voter.

Foreign affairs are important to this country. I have yet to meet a non-American Bush supporter...do they exist?

If it weren't for the french, you people would still be drinking tea, so stfu please. Our countries aren't perfect either, but at least we have the courage for serious self reflection. If things go wrong here, like the dutch in Srebrenica, then the people who were responsible for the failure are fired and persecuted if needed.

French got here after all the big battles and helped do the mopping up, and about 90% of all troops were american. So that statement isnt very true

And to all you people who say France didn't help us, sure they did. Their navy actually could compete with England, ever heard of impressment? England was capturing American vessels and forcing the crew and those aboard to serve in the Royal Navy. France helped battle England in that. Learn history, its easy, they have it written down in books for you even.


Dude try again

Take into account, that Joseph Stalin and Russia were originally associated with the axis powers and Germany before joining the allies. Only reason Russia joined us was because Hitler turned on him and attacked Russia when he saw the opportunity to do so. Furthermore, we broke the atlantic wall and the western front of europe. We broke the most heavily fortified beachhead in the world and the most heavily fortified lines compared to Russia after repelling Germanies attack merely had to trample over the remnants of Hitler's offensive army. We broke Hitlers most heavily fortified territory with a full offensive giving Hitler "homefield advantage" since he was dug in and fortified on the beachhead, whereas Stalin was originally fighting on his turf and after the ice cold winter, Stalin just had to march over the remnants of a heavily battered German army, no heavily fortified territories or defensive forces until he reached Berlin.

Not to take into account the fact that Russia had been fighting the Germans for quite a bit longer then we had, were battle worn, tired, generally not happy, ill equipped compared to Germany, etc.

We didn't win the war alone, and if you think that then you are stupid. Remember that there were other countries there on D-Day (England and Canada) as well as other countries in the war against the Axis powers. Don't be so naive to the roll of other nations in the world. Sure we are a superpower, but who cares if we are egotistical maniacs that think we can run it all. Because we have a hard enough time unifying our country, much less unifying another.

By the way if you think the Russia had an easy time of it, think again, Germany never invaded the USA, we didn't have to fight a war and lose half our land, and then fight again to regain it. We were always on the offensive because we didn't fear losing OUR own land.

Yeah, actually, I really do. First of all, attempting to spread freedom and democracy is comendable, but you cannot force it on a people, we've never been able to force it on anyone, it's always been a disaster when we've tried. And second, Saddam didn't attack us, it wasn't our business to get him out of power. And third, saving the lives on innocent people was not a reason we went to war - it's only become a reason because that is just about the only thing you can argue Iraq's gotten out of this.

I know Saddam didn't attack us, I never said he did, and neither did Bush. So then, who's business was it to get him out of power? You actually think it would have been better to let him go on slaughtering his own people? I also know saving lives wasn't the reason we originally went to war, but in that respect it did benefit the Iraqi people, and that can't be denied.

Did i say we fought alone? We based our operations in Britain, i never said we fought alone, your putting words in my mouth. Im aware of Britain, Canada, Spain, Polish rebels, Italian rebels, many allies fought with us. Of course the European theater wasnt our war specifically, the pacific theater was our war. I am not discrediting the Russian fight, they fought a hard battle, but ours on the Atlantic wall was by far worse. We challenged Hitlers greatest general in charge of forces along the Atlantic Wall, Hitlers powerhouse forces including his Luftwaffe airforce and elite Stormtrooper units were positioned along the Atlantic Wall, and it was the most heavily fortified strip of land on the planet, made the Great Wall of China look like the mexican border. The Americans, British, Canadians, we plowed our way through and in one day, the casualty count equaled half of the Russian dead at Stalingrad, and that was on the first day of the operation. Lets not forget the considered suicide air raids Americans did on German facilities with B-17's which costed the lives of thousands of american pilots. This wasnt our war, but we lost millions for a cause that we didnt have to fight for, as someone posted previously "Germany never attacked the US", it wasnt are business, but we made it our business. The death toll before US invaded Iraq was going on 1 million, a death toll closely reaching the type of genocide seen in the holocaust, why isnt the cause in iraq worth dying for? Millions die in Europe from a evil dictator, and we liberate, a million die in iraq, why dont they deserve to be free?

I know Saddam didn't attack us, I never said he did, and neither did Bush.Ha, mmm right. Yeah he did, tonight. Let's see... http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004a.html Bush: But the enemy attacked us, Jim, and I have a solemn duty to protect the American people, to do everything I can to protect us.

So then, who's business was it to get him out of power? You actually think it would have been better to let him go on slaughtering his own people? Kind of, yeah. Especially retrospectively - have we really made life safer for the average Iraqi? There's not a hard and fast answer to that, but I believe the answer can't be in the affirmative.

I also know saving lives wasn't the reason we originally went to war, but in that respect it did benefit the Iraqi people, and that can't be denied.Again, how much have they really benefited? Iraq's a mess, by anyones account, and no one's very safe. Not only Americans bombing wedding parties, but terrorists and everyday citizens killing each other. We really haven't made things all that much better. So retrospectively, no, we shouldn't be in there.

10,000 dead iraqi's in a year and a half time.....terrible, 1 million iraqi's dead during Husseins time from 1990-to his fall, thats a little over a decade, thats estimated around 85,000 dead "a year". Holocaust in Europe, 2.5 million Jew's dead, we liberated. 300,000 Somolians dead, considered mass genocide by the UN and demanded that we do something. One million dead in iraq......where's the public outcry? Where's the UN screaming and shouting for us to do something about it like they bitched over Somolia? Kosovo? Bosnia? Where's the outcry? Is a death toll of one million so insignificant because their iraqi's? What is it that truly kept the UN from demanding humanitarian aid or ousting a genocidal warlord who in the past invaded his neighbors?

I am going to vote for Bush because I'm pissed at the rest of the world for being pissed at the United States for not being socialist enough.
EXACTLY.

If you (the original poster, most likely a European from France, Germany, or one of the other lesser nations that was FOR Saddam being in power) want to be relevant on the world stage, tell YOUR leaders to grow a spine and start helping out with ridding the world of murdering dictators like Qadaffi (Libya), Sudan, Syria, Iran, North Korea, etc.

Unless you're willing to do your part to make the world a better place thru action, shut your hole. The British, Australians, Americans, Danish, Dutch, Italians, Polish, Spanish, Hondurans, and others are making the world a better place for Iraq, Afganistan (no thanks Canada, France, and other United Nations followers) and much of the Mid East.

If it weren't for those nations I listed above you dim bulbs in Europe would be under the fist of either Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. All we in America ask is for you people to shut your mouth, we don't want your pathetic Euros, nor do we want your gratitude since you will recall it once you feel different, we want you to sit down, shut up, and let us police the world since you're just too busy to care about someone other than yourself.

From a very angry American. Boycott France (if you can find anything of worth to boycott)
-Free Virginia

WOOT boycott France, make them more bankrupt then they already are!

(By the way, most of you european countries owe the United States money for the loans we gave you after WWII, you havent paid off your debt to us yet)

I'm sure you must be surprized watching the news and seeing all these people from different countries burning US flags and protesting America. This is not because they hate Americans, this is because they can't stand idly by and watch as your leader, who was not elected but scammed his way into office, pulls out of international treaties, invades sovereign countries and bombs innocent civilians all the while lying to the world and to you about everything he does.
If they are are burning American flags to protest George Bush, then they are so ignorant that I would disregard their opinion. And even if I hate George Bush, I'm still not going to vote for John Kerry just because he's not George Bush. A small fact: a whopping 99% of all people eligible for the American presidency are NOT George Bush! :eek: So I'm not going to jump for Kerry because he can outspend any other candidate who is not George Bush.

Dear citizens of the United States of America!

I make a plea to you, from myself and many other citizens of democratic countries around the world to use your powers to put an end to the reign of George W Bush.

I'm sure you remember how in the months following the tragedy of 9-11 we stood by your side and offered you our support. I'm sure you also remember how in the years afterwards your leader horribly betrayed our trust.

I'm sure you must be surprized watching the news and seeing all these people from different countries burning US flags and protesting America. This is not because they hate Americans, this is because they can't stand idly by and watch as your leader, who was not elected but scammed his way into office, pulls out of international treaties, invades sovereign countries and bombs innocent civilians all the while lying to the world and to you about everything he does.

You have a unique opportunity to prove to the world that the USA is not George Bush. That you do not support bombing Iraqi children just so that George Bush's family can get good oil contracts. That you do care for the environment and do not want more nuclear weapons. That you do not want to fight countires on the other side of the world because George Bush labelled them "the Axis of Evil" so that he can justify killing innocent people.

So please, for the good of us all, show the world that the citizens of the United States do not want a terrorist as their president!


Vote for John Kerry!

I am going to vote for WHOEVER I FUCKING WANT TO VOTE FOR. Don't you DARE try to put pressure on me to vote for your favorite candidate! Have you ever heard of democracy? That's where a citizen can vote for whoever they want, without being subjected to political pressure. Stop being so fucking childish and next time you want to advertise John Kerry, pay for the advertising space and stop your fucking whinging.

Ungrateful socialist dickhead. (no offence to genuine socialists)

Ungrateful socialist dickhead. (no offence to genuine socialists)Cussing out a poster is unacceptable. Don't do it.

Unfree People
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Wow, and the USA (we aren't America, America is the region we live in) owes trillions (is it) to the world by means of our national deficit. How about the fact that we helped make the world a better place, and the loans were on goodwill, they owe us nothing, we did it as much for ourselves as we did it for them.

I really just don't understand this whole bashing of European, or rather countries other then the USA. Why do we think we are so much better then the rest of the world?

Being militarily strong isn't everything, would you rather be able to kick the crap out of anyone, or not need to.

If more then half the budget goes to military spending, less then half goes to whatever it's defending.

Wow, and the USA (we aren't America, America is the region we live in) owes trillions (is it) to the world by means of our national deficit. How about the fact that we helped make the world a better place, and the loans were on goodwill, they owe us nothing, we did it as much for ourselves as we did it for them.

I really just don't understand this whole bashing of European, or rather countries other then the USA. Why do we think we are so much better then the rest of the world?

Being militarily strong isn't everything, would you rather be able to kick the crap out of anyone, or not need to.

If more then half the budget goes to military spending, less then half goes to whatever it's defending.


Another example of someone who does not understand basic economics.

First of all, the vast majority of our government's deficit is owed to its own citizens, NOT to foreign nations. Whenever you buy a goverment bond or pay into social security, for example, the government owes you money. You now have a stake in the future of the government and are more interested in the manner in which it is run. Because of this, economists have been arguing for hundreds of years that a moderate government deficit is actually a good thing (and ours is moderate).

Secondly the very idea of any nation owing any other nation money is laugable. All they have to do is default, and then what the hell is anyone going to do about it. We live in a "civilized" world where you can't invade anyone anymore. We have given unimaginable amounts money to other countries that we will NEVER see again, so screw them.

As for why we think we are better, that's because we are. Our nation is superior militarily, economically, and culturally. A lot of people will be angered by this comment but that is a good thing. Nationalism promotes competition, which promotes advancement on a global scale. After all, the United States was at its best when battling the Soviets. We need new competition, so come get some.

Thirdly, you don't need to kick the crap out of people nearly as often if they know you are fully willing and capable of doing so. Why the hell do you think people like Sadam and Gaddafi are allowed to piddle around causing problems for decades? Its because they don't think anyone will actually do anything about it, and if you gunshy liberals had it your way, nothing ever would. Now they know we mean business, and nations like Libya, Pakistan, and the Saudis are stepping in line.

Finally, people always criticize military spending when they don't know what the hell they are talking about. People seem to think this money evaporates into thin air or is shoveled into a furnace. The truth is that military spending is given to private American contractors. These contractors, in turn, promote our economy and spend this money. The money circulates all over the place and much of it RETURNS BACK TO THE GOVERNMENT. This is the same premise that governs tax cuts. Cutting taxes put more money into circulation, which means more sales taxes and whatnot are spent, which means goverment institutions get a return on their "investment" in the people. Lastly, do not get me started on the technological breakthroughs that have come as a dirct result of "military" spending. Everything from jet airplanes to jeeps and your cd player are results of military research.

You people are what make other people want to hijack planes and fly them into U.S. buildings.

Thanks a lot.

Ungrateful socialist dickhead. (no offence to genuine socialists)

None taken.

Dear citizens of the United States of America!

I make a plea to you, from myself and many other citizens of democratic countries around the world to use your powers to put an end to the reign of George W Bush.

I'm sure you remember how in the months following the tragedy of 9-11 we stood by your side and offered you our support. I'm sure you also remember how in the years afterwards your leader horribly betrayed our trust.

I'm sure you must be surprized watching the news and seeing all these people from different countries burning US flags and protesting America. This is not because they hate Americans, this is because they can't stand idly by and watch as your leader, who was not elected but scammed his way into office, pulls out of international treaties, invades sovereign countries and bombs innocent civilians all the while lying to the world and to you about everything he does.

You have a unique opportunity to prove to the world that the USA is not George Bush. That you do not support bombing Iraqi children just so that George Bush's family can get good oil contracts. That you do care for the environment and do not want more nuclear weapons. That you do not want to fight countires on the other side of the world because George Bush labelled them "the Axis of Evil" so that he can justify killing innocent people.

So please, for the good of us all, show the world that the citizens of the United States do not want a terrorist as their president!


Vote for John Kerry!

Hell Im voting for John Kerry, Bush supporters are stupid rednecks.

Wow, and the USA (we aren't America, America is the region we live in) owes trillions (is it) to the world by means of our national deficit. How about the fact that we helped make the world a better place, and the loans were on goodwill, they owe us nothing, we did it as much for ourselves as we did it for them.

I really just don't understand this whole bashing of European, or rather countries other then the USA. Why do we think we are so much better then the rest of the world?

Being militarily strong isn't everything, would you rather be able to kick the crap out of anyone, or not need to.

If more then half the budget goes to military spending, less then half goes to whatever it's defending.

Dude, your gay.

Hell Im voting for John Kerry, Bush supporters are stupid rednecks.
Oh that's really mature. You don't like Bush, so you call people who support him names. Real mature there buddy.

EDIT:
Dude, your gay.
Another excellent example of your total lack of respect towards others and your lack of maturity.

I don't remember ever saying that EVERYONE liked us after 9/11. I do remember asserting that most of them felt for us. That's a lot more sympathy than we've EVER had in the history of our becoming a sovereign nation. I don't think that's as pointless as you seem to think it is. If you really don't think it matters what anyone thinks of us, perhaps you should consider what the hijackers of those planes thought of us.
Sympathy is worthless. I can say "Sorry" for centuries, but it does no one any good. In fact, it wastes time and effort that could (and should) be applied elsewhere.

Again, I never stated that the whole civilized world EVER liked us, just that it might benefit us to try to get civilized countries on our side. You didn't really read my post at all, did you?
Ah, but you did state that the "the rest of the CIVILIZED world" is "part of that group that hates us." And, no, their "sympathy" really didn't make a fat lot of difference. Where was all this support and compassion when we were pursuing Osama and the Taliban stepped into the way? Where was the massive outpouring of aid and suppport? The thousands of foriegn troops rushing to help us?

I have two degrees. And don't patronize me by calling me friend when you obviously don't give a damn about me. Neither of them are from Ivy League schools, though because I don't happen to have that kind of money.
Well, then, I pity you, madam! So poorly educated, one degree from an elite college is uneducated, and two degrees is little better! You, Bush, and I are a hardly educated slime, ignorant to the end. No, only those with 37 degrees and complete omniscience are truly educated!
Anyway, I am not "patronizing." I am being sarcastic, if I liked you I would have already called you an asshat.

Clinton was, at the time of his administration, seriously concerned with the threat of Osama bin Laden. Those were not "love bites" they were, as you assert, genuine hatred. They were not, however, the same kind of high profile attack as 9/11. The incoming Bush adminstration didn't see fit to determine whether those intelligence memos regarding bin Laden were worth their time. Bush went on vacation instead of looking into it.
Of course, you must be educated as only you could see that with only 11 months of power (if you say that George became president the moment election day was over and ignore the huge waste of time that was the Florida recount scandal) is a signfigantly greater opportunity to seize the head of a major terrorist organization than eight years. Only you could see through times when Clinton could have taken Osama, but refused, as clever ruses on the part of that Demon among Men, George W. Bush.

Guess again. If terrorism was the only reason I was against Bush, I wouldn't have much to say, would I? Fortunately for me, my concerns are also educational funding (first and foremost, I happen to teach in a public school), the economy, health care, living wages, ... etc.
We aren't really talkign about those now are we?
However, since we are on the topic, I'm fairly sure that every one of those points of ccontention you just listed are the reasons why I prefer Bush to Kerry (though I'd prefer Badarnik, but he doesn't have a snowball's chance of winning).

1. If we were going to continue deciding whether or not to bother with someone else's national tragedy just because it's not on par with 9/11, people would quit arguing that we're in Iraq to "help the oppressed people" in another country. We'll be waiting around awhile before giving aid to oppressed peoples, if that's what we're waiting for.
Ah, yes. A ceasing of foriegn aid would be a good thing. The U.S., Britain, even (shudder) France, seem to have done well enough without a more powerful nation dumping cash into their pockets for no real reason.

2. Saying, "there, there" may not bandage the wound, but it's certainly reassuring. Are you saying you've never sent a "get well" card to a neighbor?
No, not really. Anyway, I'm not going to go out of my way to do exactly as my neighbour wants just because he sent me a "get well" card.

So, as long as he doesn't bother us, we needn't worry about him, right? Was Saddam bothering us? We worried about him, didn't we? Bush is making Bin Laden more friends every day he's in office... I think that's something we need to think about. Apparently you don't.
Ah, here is the bit I like. Whether anyone wanted it or not, we are now tied up in Iraq. However, so are many of the terrorists. You see, to eliminate the terrorists you have to either
Go to them OR
Get them to come to you
By going to Iraq, we are drawing them into non-U.S. territory where they can be dealt with in a foriegn warzone, a place that most people would rather they be as opposed to local civilian gathering places (New York, for example).

Ha, mmm right. Yeah he did, tonight. Let's see... http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004a.html Bush: But the enemy attacked us, Jim, and I have a solemn duty to protect the American people, to do everything I can to protect us.

I watched the debates, I know what he said. He was generalising, refering to terrorism. He clarified that after Kerry jumped on it, too. "I know Saddam didn't attack us. I know that."

Kind of, yeah. Especially retrospectively - have we really made life safer for the average Iraqi? There's not a hard and fast answer to that, but I believe the answer can't be in the affirmative.
Again, how much have they really benefited? Iraq's a mess, by anyones account, and no one's very safe. Not only Americans bombing wedding parties, but terrorists and everyday citizens killing each other. We really haven't made things all that much better. So retrospectively, no, we shouldn't be in there.

On that point, we will continue to disagree. Saddam was killing people on a daily basis, dumping their bodies into trenches and burying them like so much garbage. Yes, innocent people are getting killed now and that is a tragedy. But not like what he was doing, and not just because they don't like his rule.

Voting Bush in for another four years would be a gigantic mistake.

If you don't feel like having to join the army against your will (aka draft), I think it'd be very wise for young voters to vote for Kerry.

F*#@($) BUSH

BTW dumb a$$, it was Democratic Senator John Mcain who proposed we reinstate the draft, not Bush. What a dumbass

In this case national security has everything to do with foreign affairs.

Their is a very simple solution to the problem. The U.S. should back down from international politics, that's all. Germany has done this ever since world war 2, they are still the most important country of europe (economy, population, geographical position, etc.), yet do they ever get involved in foreign affairs? Hardly ever, they only send troops for peace keeping missions that HAVE a U.N. mandate. And that's the way it should be done.



Ummmm....Germany has done this since WWII BECAUSE YOU LOST THE GODDAMN WAR!!! Hello?

BTW dumb a$$, it was Democratic Senator John Mcain who proposed we reinstate the draft, not Bush. What a dumbass
It was Democratic Representative Charlie Rangel from New York, McCain is a Republican Senator from Arizona...

BTW dumb a$$, it was Democratic Senator John Mcain who proposed we reinstate the draft, not Bush. What a dumbass
That kind of language directed at another poster is inappropriate.

Unfree People
Forum Moderator

BTW dumb a$$, it was Democratic Senator John Mcain who proposed we reinstate the draft, not Bush. What a dumbass

Actually it wasn't McCain. It was Democratic Representative Chuck hangel.

I can find no source pointing to these accusations that the US funded Saddam and Al Qaeda, so these accusers give me a source because i want to study this, im very sceptical on this. Al Qaeda was attacking us during the Cold War, and we never funded Saddam Hussein, we traded with them between governments until the Gulf War, but we never funded them. We funded France, and almost all of Europe to allow them to reconstruct themselves after WWII, but we never funded Saddam and i can find no "reliable" source on this funding Al Qaeda.

What should Americans care what the world thinks of them anyway? Why should we care what the French think? Or the Germans? We Americans may be arrogant or ignorant but if thats the case most Europeans for the exception of a few are just flat out stuck up. Want to criticize us, look in the mirror.

"George W. Bush will not seek a permission slip to defend the American people."--Cheney

I might be paraphrasing a bit but thats the jist of it. Thats for all the Europeans who say that we should have waited for the UN to authorize the invasion of Iraq.

God Bless America, Britain, and Poland.

"George W. Bush will not seek a permission slip to defend the American people."--Cheney

I might be paraphrasing a bit but thats the jist of it. Thats for all the Europeans who say that we should have waited for the UN to authorize the invasion of Iraq.

God Bless America, Britain, and Poland.
But he did get a permission slip from Israel- in fact that's where the orders came from.

But he did get a permission slip from Israel- in fact that's where the orders came from.

I can't tell if you're just joking on all these forums about the U.S. being Israel's slaves or if you actually mean it.

BTW dumb a$$, it was Democratic Senator John Mcain who proposed we reinstate the draft, not Bush. What a dumbass

McCain's a Republican, and he's not the one who recommended reinstating the draft.

I can find no source pointing to these accusations that the US funded Saddam and Al Qaeda, so these accusers give me a source because i want to study this, im very sceptical on this. Al Qaeda was attacking us during the Cold War, and we never funded Saddam Hussein, we traded with them between governments until the Gulf War, but we never funded them. We funded France, and almost all of Europe to allow them to reconstruct themselves after WWII, but we never funded Saddam and i can find no "reliable" source on this funding Al Qaeda.

There was a documentary on this not too long ago, though I can't recall what station. In fact, this has been covered several times in various documentaries. We helped Bin Laden in his fight against the Russians in Afghanistan, prior to the formation of Al Qaeda. We didn't know he'd turn on us later. We helped supply Hussein with weapons when Iraq was fighting with Iran. We also didn't know he'd turn on us. Before anyone comments on that last, I KNOW Saddam did not attack us.
In this respect, I agree with outsiders who think we should just stay out of other country's politics, it tends to backfire. I also agree other countries should likewise stay out of ours.

"George W. Bush will not seek a permission slip to defend the American people."--Cheney

Amen!

"George W. Bush will not seek a permission slip to defend the American people."--Cheney

I might be paraphrasing a bit but thats the jist of it. Thats for all the Europeans who say that we should have waited for the UN to authorize the invasion of Iraq.

God Bless America, Britain, and Poland.

That's all fine and dandy, only...uh...he isn't defending us. Iraq =/= threat.

So shut up.