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We have all heard the "i voted for it before I voted against it speech by John Kerry.....

Well, yesterday on "Good Morning America" he told Diane Sawyer that he was tired from a long day of campaigning and it was late at night when he said it. The problem with this statement? The video tape of the speech is stamped noon.

He also claimed that he was a red Sox fan and then got the names of two players wrong...evidently they are famous, but myself not being a sports fan would not know.

Now there is a 527 group against Kerry that is made up of sports fans.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-15-kerry-football_x.htm

Is it just me, or does it seem that every time Kerry tries to appear as "an average guy" he comes across as a buffoon? How can you claim to be a sports fan (something I am certainly not) and then not know the names of the key players of the team you profess to love so much?

Kerry is an oddity and the Democrats have blown it this time with this clunker...

Now there is a 527 group against Kerry that is made up of sports fans.


Chuckle ... I think that shows the stupidity of the sports fans, not Kerry. Texas Rangers fans should be more against Bush for helping trade away Sosa. :D

At least Kerry tries. Not very hard, mind you, but he tries.

Chuckle ... I think that shows the stupidity of the sports fans, not Kerry. Texas Rangers fans should be more against Bush for helping trade away Sosa. :D

At least Kerry tries. Not very hard, mind you, but he tries.

Damnit, I was just going to say "At least he didn't trade Sosa."

What Red Sox players did he screw up? Because this could really affect my vote.

Well. Here's a candidate who doesn't screw up when he's talking about something completely idiotic
http://www.gaypenguinforamerica.com/

Is it just me, or does it seem that every time Kerry tries to appear as "an average guy" he comes across as a buffoon?

I wouldn't go so far as to say he's a "buffoon," but "an average guy" he most DEFINITELY is not!

I wouldn't go so far as to say he's a "buffoon," but "an average guy" he most DEFINITELY is not!

How about "elitist"?

$87 Billion Misunderstanding?

One of the Bush ads Kerry has battled most in his effort to fight the "flip-flop" label refers to the senator's vote on an $87 billion aid package to provide equipment for U.S. troops and to support reconstruction in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In the ad, Kerry is quoted as saying, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it."

Kerry says that sound bite doesn't fairly portray what actually occurred. Kerry said the ad ignores the fact that he initially supported the appropriation when it was to be funded at least in part by rolling back tax cuts for the wealthy. He says he ended up voting against the final version of the bill in the Senate as a protest over its funding — which included no-bid contracts for reconstruction projects in Iraq.

"It just was a very inarticulate way of saying something, and I had one of those inarticulate moments late in the evening when I was dead tired in the primaries and I didn't say something very clearly," Kerry said of the quote.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/Vote2004/Kerry_Sawyer_040930-2.html

The date/time stamp on the video tape showed noon.....not late at night.

The players names he got wrong were....Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz

We were all so sure of your diehard commitment to the Red Sox. You had been at some games with a nice ball cap on, just like one of the guys. And then before the All-Star Game on July 13, you made us aware of a new mutant member of your favorite squad - Manny Ortiz. While Red Sox fans were left to ponder how a Manny Ortiz might fit into one uniform, you made us all aware that you have absolutely no clue what is going on in the world of sports - even in your home city.


http://www.theeagleonline.com/news/2004/09/23/Sports/Kerry.Is.A.Sports.Schlub-728315.shtml

Kerry just does not come across as an "average" guy like he tries to portray himself to be he looks like a moron.

Just for the record, I'm an average guy and I couldn't name 5 baseball players off the top of my head, though I love watching baseball. I grew up in the Astrodome and continue to see games in the ballpark formerly known as Enron Field.

Doesn't make me a moron.

How about "elitist"?

Ohhh, yes! I've called him that many times, and "amoral" and "opportunist" and several others, all of which I personally blieve are true.

Just for the record, I'm an average guy and I couldn't name 5 baseball players off the top of my head, though I love watching baseball. I grew up in the Astrodome and continue to see games in the ballpark formerly known as Enron Field.

Doesn't make me a moron.

Yeah, but Kerry's from Massachusetts, and claims to be a Sox fan. Being a Red Sox fan is completely different from being a fan of any other team, except the Cubs. He can't claim to be a Red Sox fan and then not know the names of our big players.

Does anyone know which names he messed up?

Ohhh, yes! I've called him that many times, and "amoral" and "opportunist" and several others, all of which I personally blieve are true.

I don't think he's amoral or an opportunist, but he definately strikes me as an elitist.

Wow, he didn't know some names of some people who complain a lot about being underpaid and then do useless activities such as 'throwing a ball' and 'running'.

I'm never voting for him ever, yeah.

Well. Here's a candidate who doesn't screw up when he's talking about something completely idiotic
http://www.gaypenguinforamerica.com/


He's got my support.

Well, yesterday on "Good Morning America" he told Diane Sawyer that he was tired from a long day of campaigning and it was late at night when he said it. The problem with this statement? The video tape of the speech is stamped noon.

Pretty Standard Operating Procedure. Most tape begin with the Noon stamping. It's the default setting of video components when you put a new tape in. Most companies won't bother to set the exact time of the day. As long as there is a reference, you can edit/roll/view/whatever a tape.

IF that's the best you can do about Kerry, you've got a long way to go.

Does anyone know which names he messed up?

Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz....Kerry called him Manny Ortiz.

Now I am no sports fan and find baseball to be the very epitome of uselessness, but IF I were to say to the world that I was a great fan and make such a mistake, it would be obvious that I was lying.

Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz....Kerry called him Manny Ortiz.

Now I am no sports fan and find baseball to be the very epitome of uselessness, but IF I were to say to the world that I was a great fan and make such a mistake, it would be obvious that I was lying.

So he screwed up the names of our two AL MVP candidates? I could understand if he messed up Kevin Millar and Bill Mueller, but Manny and Ortiz?

Pretty Standard Operating Procedure. Most tape begin with the Noon stamping. It's the default setting of video components when you put a new tape in. Most companies won't bother to set the exact time of the day. As long as there is a reference, you can edit/roll/view/whatever a tape.

IF that's the best you can do about Kerry, you've got a long way to go.

Maybe, I will have to take your word for that except the statement was NOT made at the beginning of the speech and it was bright outside. Now, unless he was in Alaska (highly doubtful) then it would hardly be bright outside at noon. Therefore he was trying some damage control and made it worse for himself.

Maybe, I will have to take your word for that except the statement was NOT made at the beginning of the speech and it was bright outside. Now, unless he was in Alaska (highly doubtful) then it would hardly be bright outside at noon. Therefore he was trying some damage control and made it worse for himself.

Have you ever been on a TV set? Bright outside means squat. There are many ways to have a bright outside while filming at 10 in the night.

Also, if it's a live gig, it doesn't mean the interview was live. It could have been filmed anytime of the day.

Have you ever been on a TV set? Bright outside means squat. There are many ways to have a bright outside while filming at 10 in the night.

Yeah....but he was on the Senate floor was he not? Face it, he made a blunder. had he just said that he had an inarticulate moment it would have been forgotten soon enough, however, he is always taking the long road in explaining things and as usual, he goofed up. Bushisms are funny....but Kerryisms are just goofy and disingenuous.

Kerry's face looks like the inside of a sweet potato. A little too much of the self tan spray. Plus, it'll be interesting to see how much of his face he had paralyzed with botox for the debates tonight.

I can't believe he screwed up those names. Even I know those names and I'm not a Red Sox Fan. Heck, I don't even follow baseball unless its the playoffs.

You are right Biff, the more he explains something, the worse it gets for him but it is FUNNY to watch.

A buffoon? Oh, come on. I'm surprised no one else has commented on this before, but as if Bush comes off as any less of a moron.

And second, Kerry's from Mass, right? How many people from Mass WOULDN'T claim that they're a Red Sox fan? HELLO! That's like an open invitation to a stoning, and you're the guest of honor ;P

Don't have to know MVP's names to be a fan of the Red Sox. Hell, all you have to do is NOT be a fan of the Yankees.

Kerry's face looks like the inside of a sweet potato. A little too much of the self tan spray. Plus, it'll be interesting to see how much of his face he had paralyzed with botox for the debates tonight.

Yeah, thats another thing. Whats with the orange tanning spray? He looked like a demented tangerine to me. Being from Orlando, and knowing how intense the sun can be, I laughed when I heard his explanation......he was tossing a ball for an hour in the sun. Chricky!! Next he will blame it on the ozone layer or something....:rolleyes:

Yeah....but he was on the Senate floor was he not? Face it, he made a blunder. had he just said that he had an inarticulate moment it would have been forgotten soon enough, however, he is always taking the long road in explaining things and as usual, he goofed up. Bushisms are funny....but Kerryisms are just goofy and disingenuous.

Tell me, is the senate floor outside? Or better yet, can you give me a link to the interview so I can look at it myself?

Even if he made a blunder, I believe that these blunders and the fact that he has a kae tan are NOTHING compared to the ineptitudes of Bush. We stopped counting the blunders he made.

If you don't vote for someone because he looks like he had a fake tan applied on him, then you should have no rights to vote. Of all the reasons to for for or against someone, his personnal appearance has to be at the bottom of the list. (not directed at you Biff, I know your reasons for voting Bush)

Tell me, is the senate floor outside? Or better yet, can you give me a link to the interview so I can look at it myself?

Even if he made a blunder, I believe that these blunders and the fact that he has a kae tan are NOTHING compared to the ineptitudes of Bush. We stopped counting the blunders he made.

If you don't vote for someone because he looks like he had a fake tan applied on him, then you should have no rights to vote. Of all the reasons to for for or against someone, his personnal appearance has to be at the bottom of the list. (not directed at you Biff, I know your reasons for voting Bush)

Nope, the Senate floor is not outside, but it does have windows. There is no link that I know of, but it was carried on CSPAN and they show these things live, thus the noon stamp on the tape was accurate. I would never not vote for anyone with a spray on tan, but man, did he even look at himself afterwards? Yes, Bush is a comical character, but he comes across as an average guy and Kerry comes across as an elitist intellectual who is out of step with the rest of us. Who will that appeal to? The "average" guy will look to the guy who is more like him. Kerry running around with a shotgun a couple of weeks ago was quite comical as well. He was all stiff and obviously uncomfortable. It was obvious that he does not shoot much if at all. Another attempt to look like the average guy that backfired. Just like his sports quotes that were way off, he just does not represent the average American. Does Bush? Well, he does a better job of portraying himself as an average guy. He certainly does not live like the rest of us, but he does come across better than Kerry does. I think it will help Bush and hurt Kerry in the end.

Kerry what a twit doesnt have a clue about anything :eek:

Nope, the Senate floor is not outside, but it does have windows.

Windows often have projector behind them to illuminate what is recorded. It's a standard procedure also to never use ambiant light. Always illuminate your subjects. Trust me on this, I've studied TV and Film production.

If the interview is Live (and by live I mean seen as it happens, not live like the WWE does, where they tape it live but edit it before showing it on TV)
you have a point about it being a blunder. Otherwise, it can very well be shot at 3 AM on a stormy night and still look like a beautifull summer day.

Never believe the time stamp on a tape too. It's almost never 12:00 when they start shooting.

Oh well, it seems I will have to look for the interview because I don't see anything that cannot be debunked in your story.

Windows often have projector behind them to illuminate what is recorded. It's a standard procedure also to never use ambiant light. Always illuminate your subjects. Trust me on this, I've studied TV and Film production.

If the interview is Live (and by live I mean seen as it happens, not live like the WWE does, where they tape it live but edit it before showing it on TV)
you have a point about it being a blunder. Otherwise, it can very well be shot at 3 AM on a stormy night and still look like a beautifull summer day.

Never believe the time stamp on a tape too. It's almost never 12:00 when they start shooting.

Oh well, it seems I will have to look for the interview because I don't see anything that cannot be debunked in your story.

Maybe the term "stamp" is erroneous. The clip I saw showed Kerry on the Senate floor speaking and the clock on the CSPAN screen was just turning 12:00 PM. Therefore it becomes obvious that he was speaking during the day and not late at night as he stated. Kerry has a real problem with accuracy in his statements. We can come up with 1000 Bushisms, and they are funny, but when Kerry states things and is so emphatic about them and they turn out to be untrue he just looks really bad. His memory of being in Cambodia listening to Nixon on Christmas eve of 1968 was "seared" into his memory. What happened to that? No, Kerry may be a good man at heart, but he is trying to be something he just isn't, and that is the "average" guy. Bush beats the pants off of him in this arena.

Bush beats the pants off of him in this arena.

Nah ... the average guy doesn't have a massive ranch in West Texas, doesn't get billions of dollars just for the asking, doesn't own any part of a baseball team, doesn't have cooks, maids, and chaufers, and doesn't get to run several oil companies into the ground without so much as a blink.

Bush is no more the average guy than Kerry.

Neither of them know what it's like to be poor, be struggling, be unable to pay bills for 2-3 months in a row (even though they have a job), not be able to pawn the kids off on a nanny because the wife want to have lunch in Paris ...

As a matter of fact, neither of them know what it's like to pull themselves out of the muck by their own bootstraps and work their asses off to make ends meet.

Newp ... there is no "everyman" in this election.

Yeah....but he was on the Senate floor was he not? Face it, he made a blunder. had he just said that he had an inarticulate moment it would have been forgotten soon enough, however, he is always taking the long road in explaining things and as usual, he goofed up. Bushisms are funny....but Kerryisms are just goofy and disingenuous.

I knew something was wrong when you said Kerry was on the Senate floor. He hasn't seen the Senate floor in months ;)

seas

Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz....Kerry called him Manny Ortiz.

Now I am no sports fan and find baseball to be the very epitome of uselessness, but IF I were to say to the world that I was a great fan and make such a mistake, it would be obvious that I was lying.

This is one slice of why he is a fraud. He can't name 2 of the best players on "his favorite team"? I loathe a liar and Kerry is a big one..

His military record is another. He tried running on a record that is neither distinguished nor patriotic. Who applies for purple hearts themselves?? Who throws away their medals and speaks out against his buddies in a congressional hearing?? Who requests transfer after his "cushy" job in the military got turned into combat duty??

His voting record in congress is yet another...He will raise taxes ,cut intelligence spending, homeland security spending, and will do nothing different in Iraq that Bush isn't already trying to accomplish..He is a consumate liberal and his record shows it..Why don't you think he is running on his record?? Because it sucks that's why..

If politics isn't your motivation as to why you should vote for Bush then here is the kicker...His fat, obnoxious wife...Teresa Heinz Kerry..Do you really want to hear her foul mouthed, unlady like persona for the next four years. I think I would try to gouge out my eardrums to try to stop hearing her...

This is one slice of why he is a fraud. He can't name 2 of the best players on "his favorite team"? I loathe a liar and Kerry is a big one..

His military record is another. He tried running on a record that is neither distinguished nor patriotic. Who applies for purple hearts themselves?? Who throws away their medals and speaks out against his buddies in a congressional hearing?? Who requests transfer after his "cushy" job in the military got turned into combat duty??

His voting record in congress is yet another...He will raise taxes ,cut intelligence spending, homeland security spending, and will do nothing different in Iraq that Bush isn't already trying to accomplish..He is a consumate liberal and his record shows it..Why don't you think he is running on his record?? Because it sucks that's why..

If politics isn't your motivation as to why you should vote for Bush then here is the kicker...His fat, obnoxious wife...Teresa Heinz Kerry..Do you really want to hear her foul mouthed, unlady like persona for the next four years. I think I would try to gouge out my eardrums to try to stop hearing her...


What a great first post...
...and they always say that Kerry is the one who always brings up his military service.

It seems to me that "Iraq has WMDs and Saddam attacked us on 9/11" is a bigger and much more vital lie than "I like baseball".

Maybe the term "stamp" is erroneous. The clip I saw showed Kerry on the Senate floor speaking and the clock on the CSPAN screen was just turning 12:00 PM. Therefore it becomes obvious that he was speaking during the day and not late at night as he stated.

The clock on the CSPAN screen? The little clock added on the screen to tell you the time of day when you watch the program? The one that has absolutely nothing to do with the time the recording of the tape took place? That is your proof that he lied?

Come on, Biff, you can do better than that.

Let's see, let's compare Bush's and Kerry's verbal blunders:

Kerry: "...I voted for it before I voted against it..." He was right in both votes, when you examine the facts. It was an inarticulate way to put it, true.

Bush: "Our enemies will never stop trying to harm us, and neither will we." Nice job Bush.

Kerry: Confuses names of two baseball players

Bush: Confuses the names of two terrorists, Abu Nidal and Abu Abbas, not once, not twice, but TEN TIMES...incidentally erroneously tying Iraq and Al Qaeda in the process.

Kerry: "It was late at night." Obviously referring to when he WROTE THE SPEECH WITH HIS SPEECHWRITERS.

Bush: "misunderestimate," "nukyuler" and many many more.

Yeah, judging a candidate for his verbal miscues really implicates Kerry and not Bush. Riiiiiiiiiight. Freaking Bush morons.

One problem I have with your statement Gymoor.

If he wrote that late at night with his speechwriters, then why didn't the speechwriters catch it or for that matter, his advisor?

Freaking Bush morons.
Aw, and the rest of your post was so good, too.

Ditch the ad hominem.

Unfree People
Forum Moderator

One problem I have with your statement Gymoor.

If he wrote that late at night with his speechwriters, then why didn't the speechwriters catch it or for that matter, his advisor?

Uh, because they had been on a non stop tour and it was late at night? How come Bush's speechwriters didn't catch his Abu Nida/Abbas mistake after the first few times he made it? They'd even had time to sleep on it. The only conclusion I can make is that they were trying to intentionally mislead people.

Aw, and the rest of your post was so good, too.

Ditch the ad hominem.

Unfree People
Forum Moderator

I understand completely, but I cannot, by any stetch of the imagination, describe someone in any other terms when they believe Bush is the stronger candidate based upon the relative verbal blunders of the two candidates. When one abandona all reason to make a conclusion that is simply not supported by the facts, then I have no other recourse to call said person out.

My apologies for any pain my comment may have caused.

Disagreement on issues is one thing, and is the backbone of this Democracy, but sheer, partisan tunnelvision based on this very specific topic is inexcusable.

Uh, because they had been on a non stop tour and it was late at night? How come Bush's speechwriters didn't catch his Abu Nida/Abbas mistake after the first few times he made it? They'd even had time to sleep on it. The only conclusion I can make is that they were trying to intentionally mislead people.

We can go on about this all night! I would love to too but I have to be at work in about an hour.

Suffice to say I think we should just agree to disagree.

Ironically, I'd never want 'an aveage guy' running my country. The 'average' American has $4,000 worth of credit card debt, (plus a mortgage and student loans; the average undergraduate finishes school with $18,900 in debt), and spends more money per year on non-essentials (like cable, cars, games, junk food, fast food, etc.) than the basics, (shelter, electricity, water, clothing, etc.).

Don't think I'd want someone like that spending my taxes.

Ironically, I'd never want 'an aveage guy' running my country. The 'average' American has $4,000 worth of credit card debt, (plus a mortgage and student loans; the average undergraduate finishes school with $18,900 in debt), and spends more money per year on non-essentials (like cable, cars, games, junk food, fast food, etc.) than the basics, (shelter, electricity, water, clothing, etc.).

Don't think I'd want someone like that spending my taxes.

Yet another reason to vote for Kerry. Based on his business track record, Bush has been that supposed "average guy" but with a much bigger bankroll. Bush ran several businesses into the ground, and was only saved from bankruptcy by last minute buyouts from certain Saudi Arabian frieneds.

The clock on the CSPAN screen? The little clock added on the screen to tell you the time of day when you watch the program? The one that has absolutely nothing to do with the time the recording of the tape took place? That is your proof that he lied?

Come on, Biff, you can do better than that.
I'm just going to back up some of what East Canuck has said.

Time stamp is for tourists, film and television production uses SMPTE code, which goes on the tape invisible (unless you have reader) and allows them to sinc editing with other cameras and microphones being used in the recording.

C-SPAN does broadcast live, but they also rebroadcast...or am I to believe that Kerry's debate on the Dick Cavett show happened last month? So a C-SPAN tape that has 12 noon on it is not really enough.

If it was dark enough to 'prove' to you it was 8pm, you wouldn't be able to see much or it would look like crappy student film. Video picks up light for crap, and when shooting something you have to light the hell out of it. If your good (like, say you work for a major cable outlet) you light it in a subtle manner. The best film and tv workers do their job in such a way that you don't know anyone did anything.

And furthermore, harping on that still is less a condemnation of Kerry, since by now we all know that he voted for the bill that had a source for the funding and against the irresponsable bill that followed it, and more a indicator of how weak Bush really is as a candidate. If you can't let go of something like this, or if you are bent because he fused the name of two baseball players, you are clearly grasping at straws. I can only take it as a good sign.

To hold onto it as a notable slip, well Gymoor already summed up how backward that thinking is.