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Uss Scorpion

IDF
30-09-2004, 04:02
I just read the book Blind Man's Bluff. I found the chapter on the tragic loss of the USS Scorpion very interesting. I'm not one who believes much in cover ups, but the Scorpion was an example of the Navy covering up it's own **** up.

For those who are unfamiliar with her, the Scorpion was a Skipjack class SSN that sank in the North Atlantic on May 22, 1968. All 99 crewmen were killed.

There has never been a definitive answer to why she sank, due to cover ups by the Navy.

The Navy report said that one of the Mk 37 torpedoes had a "hot run". that is when the motor inadvertantly starts and the propellor spins arming the warhead while the torp is still onboard. In this case the drill is to make a 180 degree turn with a right full rudder order. This disarms the torpedo. The Navy believes that Scorpion fired the torp and it found the closest target, Scorpion. There is no evidence to back up the theory of an external torpedo hit.

The 2nd theory is that the hot running torpedo went off while inside the sub, there is evidence to support this, but it isn't the most likely scenario.

The 3rd and most likely scenario is that there was a fatal flaw in the Mark 37 torpedo's battery. During a test on the torpedo's reaction to vibrations of those found on a submarine at a lab in Spring 1968, the battery malfunctioned to the point that there was undetected heat forming. The problem was detected when the battery blew up setting the room on fire and injuring 6 scientist and firemen. A warning was set out soon warning they could cause the loss of a submarine as the heat before the explosion occured would be enough to set off the 350 lb torpedo warhead.

Scorpion was heading back to Norfolk after a 2 month long mission. When she arrived, she was to have the defective torpedoes removed. But, on May 22, 1968, she was lost. The Navy board of inquiry ignored the possibity of a torpedo exploding due to the battery. A few months after Scorpion's loss, a sub in the Pacific fleet had an overheating torpedo, they doused it with water until they ejected the fish. It appears that the torpedomen on Scorpion reported a "hot torpedo" to the CO. He quickly interpretted it as "hot running torpedo" (which it wasn't, but you are to assume such things as if you don't make the 180 turn quickly you will die). He ordered the 180 degree turn. When the turn was almost complete, the battery heat caused the warhead to cook off and the Scorpion was lost. 91 seconds after explosion, it passed crush depth, everyone was killed.

The Scorpion was a sub in poor shape and vibrating more than any other sub and much more than in the scientist's test. The explosion wasn't as great as a normal torpedo explosion as it wasn't controled. It was a lesser explosion, but one with enough force to blow open hatches and flood the sub.

Post your thoughts.

It is still a problem on submarines. Maybe not in the US Navy, but in Russia it is. When the Kursk went down in the Barents sea in 2000, it was lost to a hot running torpedo.
IDF
30-09-2004, 04:06
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IDF
30-09-2004, 04:09
read please
HadesRulesMuch
30-09-2004, 04:14
Well.....
I don't really know or even care at this point. Knowing the truth won't make a difference. If the Navy was attempting to have all of the defective torpedos removed, and this sub happened to blow up before it reached port, then it would be an unavoidable accident. Very unfortunate, but too long ago for us to change anything.

I have never read that book or heard of the Scorpion.
IDF
30-09-2004, 04:17
Well.....
I don't really know or even care at this point. Knowing the truth won't make a difference. If the Navy was attempting to have all of the defective torpedos removed, and this sub happened to blow up before it reached port, then it would be an unavoidable accident. Very unfortunate, but too long ago for us to change anything.

I have never read that book or heard of the Scorpion.

I know what your saying, but regardless there is evidence the Navy knew of the problem 2 years before the accident and didn't want to take the blame and that is why they covered up
IDF
30-09-2004, 04:21
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Nazi beer is better
30-09-2004, 04:22
that book is full of crap they are all old sea stoiries
by stories i mean streched just like a fishing tale,not true, all facts lost in a sea of bs
i know i'm on a us navy nuclear sub
IDF
30-09-2004, 04:24
that book is full of crap they are all old sea stoiries
by stories i mean streched just like a fishing tale,not true, all facts lost in a sea of bs
i know i'm on a us navy nuclear sub
I'm in NROTC now, I don't buy all the stories there, but I do buy the Scorpion evidence. It fits. I do belive that option 2 is still possible though and the fact that Scorpion was in a state of disrepair to the point the emergency blow valve wasn't functioning
Cav
30-09-2004, 04:28
That book is great! I loved every story and it was really interesting to see what went on behind the scenes of Cold War submarine tactics!
IDF
30-09-2004, 04:30
That book is great! I loved every story and it was really interesting to see what went on behind the scenes of Cold War submarine tactics!
Some of Rickover's behaviors were odd at best. I love that story where he told the cadet to piss him off.

Also on the point of Scorpion. I know someone at my temple who was a SUBSAFE program employee on boomers at the time. He buys into the torpedo battery theory although, he said that all theories were possible
IDF
01-10-2004, 01:00
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IDF
01-10-2004, 02:00
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IDF
01-10-2004, 02:22
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IDF
01-10-2004, 02:32
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IDF
01-10-2004, 02:42
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United White Front
01-10-2004, 02:51
why so many damn bumps?
Originally Posted by Cav
That book is great! I loved every story and it was really interesting to see what went on behind the scenes of Cold War submarine tactics!
key word there story
Tycoony
01-10-2004, 02:55
This Be The Devil's Triangle's Doing!!
IDF
01-10-2004, 03:08
why so many damn bumps?

key word there story
Much of it is backed up by recently de-classified reports. The most amazing story in there is the story of Commander Whitey Mack. Damn that was amazing, trailing a quiet Soviet boomer for 47 days
United White Front
01-10-2004, 03:18
Much of it is backed up by recently de-classified reports. The most amazing story in there is the story of Commander Whitey Mack. Damn that was amazing, trailing a quiet Soviet boomer for 47 days
i met an old guy once and he did say that whitey was a charecter
and rickover was a screwed up as the book says i went through "the pipe"