NationStates Jolt Archive

That would be the one I go to. The majority is gay or bi. I feel left out of all the queerness!

And how's this for screwed-up irony: A straight girl who is liked by girls more often than guys, many of whose crushes turn out to be gay. Again, me.

Oh, the frustration...

Actually, I believe there are schools for Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual students in New York among other places. Where do you live?

I didn't know that Peer Pressure was that strong.

dont hide your perversion, zin
come out of the closet
after a while they will accept you for what you are
and you may find that other "morose" people will come out too. you are not alone.

I live in Portland, Oregon. I go to an alternative school. Clearly, it's not called the gay school for nothing. The alternativeness is probably why all the queers clump up there in the first place

What in the heck does anything have to do with peer pressure?

Oh, I'm out, just like everyone else. Nobody hides their sexuality. It's just that everyone around me is queer and I'm like "Hey, why can't I like girls too?" Cuz that would be so fun, not to mention doubling my dating pool!

I live in Portland, Oregon. I go to an alternative school. Clearly, it's not called the gay school for nothing. The alternativeness is probably why all the queers clump up there in the first place

What in the heck does anything have to do with peer pressure?

Oh, I'm out, just like everyone else. Nobody hides their sexuality. It's just that everyone around me is queer and I'm like "Hey, why can't I like girls too?" Cuz that would be so fun, not to mention doubling my dating pool!
It's a joke.

That would be the one I go to. The majority is gay or bi. I feel left out of all the queerness!

And how's this for screwed-up irony: A straight girl who is liked by girls more often than guys, many of whose crushes turn out to be gay. Again, me.

Oh, the frustration...
Oh, come on, just admit you like girls, at least a little. ;)

"Hey, why can't I like girls too?" Cuz that would be so fun.
So try it! You know you want to. And be sure to video tape it as well, that's always important.

Oh, come on, just admit you like girls, at least a little. ;)
I wouldn't admit that...not here.

(I can just imagine the telegrams...)

This brings up one of the primary reasons why I believe being gay is not a choice for most gay people. I know of one young man who was harrassed unmercifully by the straight students at his high school. Why would anyone willingly subject themselves to this sort of treatment? The answer is that hardly anyone would, unless they were gay by nature rather than by choice.

Just a thought.

Yeah, a little. I'd like to make out with a girl. But I don't like them enough to conscientiously call myself bi or go out with them. It just wouldn't be real enough - the extent to which I like girls is all abstract and intellectual and experimental, no real attraction. I mean sure, I'd do it for myself, but it wouldn't be fair to them.

Yeah, a little. I'd like to make out with a girl. But I don't like them enough to conscientiously call myself bi or go out with them. It just wouldn't be real enough - the extent to which I like girls is all abstract and intellectual and experimental, no real attraction. I mean sure, I'd do it for myself, but it wouldn't be fair to them.


Well, still, if there's that curiousity......

It wouldn't be fair to them. A year and a half ago, I went out with this one girl. The reason we broke up? I didn't really like her. I'd easily be fuckbuddies (colloquial term, doesn't actually mean sex) with a girl as long as we had the understanding that that was all it was. But a relationship? I just don't have the emotional component.

talk about peer pressure.

I still don't get the peer pressure joke...

There is indeed the Harvey Milk school in NYC.

I could not possibly go to such a school because I would keep hitting on the lesbians because let's face it, lesbians are really hot.

I could not possibly go to such a school because I would keep hitting on the lesbians because let's face it, lesbians are really hot.


Agreed, well sometimes.

Agreed, well sometimes.
Yeah, the ones with mullets aren't hot.

The Gay School. I bet they have one hell of a wrestling team. LOL.

That would be the one I go to. The majority is gay or bi. I feel left out of all the queerness!

And how's this for screwed-up irony: A straight girl who is liked by girls more often than guys, many of whose crushes turn out to be gay. Again, me.

Oh, the frustration...

Well, I did go to high school in South Beach... so it's not that much of a stretch. Not that we minded; straight, bi, homo, it's all the same.

If this thread were titled something like "Hey, I'm a BiCurious Girl" instead, it would have 20+ PAGES of replies in the few hours it has been up rather than just 20+ posts....

I could not possibly go to such a school because I would keep hitting on the lesbians because let's face it, lesbians are really hot.

Not at my school. *gag*

Not at my school. *gag*
I used to be able to say "Same here," but now I'm in college...and all the girls have got a little bit of bicuriousity in them...

Yeah, the ones with mullets aren't hot.
Hey man, respect the mullet!

Actually, I believe there are schools for Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual students in New York among other places. Where do you live?

Yeah it's called like the "Milk School" or something. But it's really like a normal high school. Cliques, mean girls, etc. I read about it alot. I just can't remember the name.

Face facts: everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, is left out/discriminated against/prejudged and/or bullied at some point in their life, because of some arbitrary factor.

Race, religion, sexuality, physical characteristics (fat, skinny, large nose, large feet, etc. ad infintum), musical taste, fashion sense, political views, diet (omnivore, vegetarian, vegan etc.) plus a million other parameters.

In essence, everyone belongs to SOME minority, and will pay for it at some point in their lives. It isn't morally or legally right, but it's a fact.

I'm sorry if this sounds heartless, but my advice is DEAL WITH IT.

You can take me completely out of context and brand me some sort of bigot, if you want to - I don't much care.

That would be the one I go to. The majority is gay or bi. I feel left out of all the queerness!

And how's this for screwed-up irony: A straight girl who is liked by girls more often than guys, many of whose crushes turn out to be gay. Again, me.

Oh, the frustration...
i just wouldn't go there.

I dont feel sorry one bit for gay people (all the harrassment), NOT that i tease them, but DUH its like askin for it!!! Your ganna stick out! specially in a world where majority of people look at it as ... EWWW!!!!

Face facts: everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, is left out/discriminated against/prejudged and/or bullied at some point in their life, because of some arbitrary factor.

Race, religion, sexuality, physical characteristics (fat, skinny, large nose, large feet, etc. ad infintum), musical taste, fashion sense, political views, diet (omnivore, vegetarian, vegan etc.) plus a million other parameters.

In essence, everyone belongs to SOME minority, and will pay for it at some point in their lives. It isn't morally or legally right, but it's a fact.

I'm sorry if this sounds heartless, but my advice is DEAL WITH IT.

You can take me completely out of context and brand me some sort of bigot, if you want to - I don't much care.
Incompetency is not a minority, but people are still descriminated against for it.

Incompetency is not a minority, but people are still descriminated against for it.
True.

I'm not sure exactly how this relates to my comment, though?

We don't have any teams of any sort. But if we did have a wrestling team... it just wouldn't work.

I suppose this means my No On 36 Club will probably recruit more members, proportionately to the student body, than many other schools.

I wouldn't title it "I'm a BiCurious Girl" because that's not at all what it's about.

Still nobody has said anything about the screwed up irony of being a straight girl whose both crushes and admirers are mostly gay.

Bump

Still nobody has said anything about the screwed up irony of being a straight girl whose both crushes and admirers are mostly gay.
It's God's way of telling you to make lesbian porn.

Actually, screw that. Bad example to use.

Actually, screw that. Bad example to use.

What, what did you say before the edit?

And Roachy, I'm 14. I'm not doing porn just yet. Or ever.

What, what did you say before the edit?

And Roachy, I'm 14. I'm not doing porn just yet. Or ever.
Well, just remember to keep your options open in the future.

You're 14, right? Wait 'till your 16, even the straight girls will want to date you. That's always what happens to complaining 14-year-old girls. They get popular.

Let the homosexuals segregate themselves in these "schools" so they will be ready for their segregation in Hell.

Let the homosexuals segregate themselves in these "schools" so they will be ready for their segregation in Hell.

You really "did" work on this role of yours for a long time! - at least, fits with the name.

You really "did" work on this role of yours for a long time! - at least, fits with the name.
What? :confused:
Please clarify.

What? :confused:
Please clarify.
Aiming for another ban TT?

http://www.slightlywarped.com/forumpictures/trolls/feed_troll.jpg

Let the homosexuals segregate themselves in these "schools" so they will be ready for their segregation in Hell.
But I'll still be able to chill with all the godless sodomites if I want to, right? Wouldn't want to cancel Wednesday poker nights just because of that lake of fire thing.

cum masculo non commisceberis coitu femineo quia abominatio est
~Levitici XVIII: XXII

cum masculo non commisceberis coitu femineo quia abominatio est
~Levitici XVIII: XXII
Latin doesn't make your statements any better TT.

This brings up one of the primary reasons why I believe being gay is not a choice for most gay people. I know of one young man who was harrassed unmercifully by the straight students at his high school. Why would anyone willingly subject themselves to this sort of treatment? The answer is that hardly anyone would, unless they were gay by nature rather than by choice.

Just a thought.


There are now, just as in the past, people who find fulfillment out of being martyrs; people who decide to be different just for the sake of being different, who cast themselves as outcasts because they find it gives them a type of affirmation. They have existed throughout history, from as far back as ancient Greece, Roman, both Christian and pagan, China and Japan, and there is no reason to doubt that they exist today.

That having been said, I don't think everyone who is gay chooses to be gay. But saying that no one could possibly want to choose to be gay because of persecution fails to recognize something that is and has been a part of human nature, and that some find meaning and solace in the fact that they are outcasts.

Latin doesn't make your statements any better TT.
It is the Holy Bible, it is inerrant.

Just curious TT, do you love Ernst Rohm because he was a Nazi, or hate him because he was gay?

It is the Holy Bible, it is inerrant.


I had no idea the Romans wrote the Bible. I was under the assumption the OT was written in Hebrew and Aramaic, and the NT in colloquial Greek.

Maybe if you want to quote the bible in a language other than English, you'd want to start with the original languages?

I had no idea the Romans wrote the Bible. I was under the assumption the OT was written in Hebrew and Aramaic, and the NT in colloquial Greek.

Maybe if you want to quote the bible in a language other than English, you'd want to start with the original languages?
The Vulgate, as translated by Saint Jerome, is free from error. It is the official version of the Bible as approved by the Roman Catholic Church.
Saint Jerome was indeed 1600 years closer to ancient Hebrew and Greek than any other modern "scholar" could ever be. For this reason the Vulgate is more trustworthy than the Hebrew and Greek.

The Vulgate, as translated by Saint Jerome, is free from error. It is the official version of the Bible as approved by the Roman Catholic Church.
Saint Jerome was indeed 1600 years closer to ancient Hebrew and Greek than any other modern "scholar" could ever be. For this reason the Vulgate is more trustworthy than the Hebrew and Greek.


Actually, this is speaking purely from a scholarly point of view, as this is the area that I actually have my degree in, the Vulgate, as translated by Saint Jerome, has numerous errors and mistranslations in it and has been shown to be clearly influenced by his own anti-Semetic beleifs. The versions used to day have been retranslated and updated and edited but still have many problems with them. No Biblical scholar would think of using the Vulgate as a main source.

The Hebrew and Greek is the original source. How would a translation of the original be more trustworthy than the original?

Actually, this is speaking purely from a scholarly point of view, as this is the area that I actually have my degree in, the Vulgate, as translated by Saint Jerome, has numerous errors and mistranslations in it and has been shown to be clearly influenced by his own anti-Semetic beleifs. The versions used to day have been retranslated and updated and edited but still have many problems with them. No Biblical scholar would think of using the Vulgate as a main source.

The Hebrew and Greek is the original source. How would a translation of the original be more trustworthy than the original?
The Latin Vulgate has long been declared the official version by the Roman Catholic Church and is therefore inerrant.
From a "scholarly" perspective, Saint Jerome was 1,600 years closer to the languages than you or anyone else of latter-days. They cannot possibly know more about the Hebrew and Greek that was spoken in Jerome's own time.

Let the homosexuals segregate themselves in these "schools" so they will be ready for their segregation in Hell.




And let biggots like you walk around, saying they know what God wants. Then, once you get to Heaven, Jesus will take a cricket bat to your ass and you will be the ones who will suffer eternal pain for your ignorance and your arrogant pride against a minority who did not choose to be the way they are. JESUS DID NOT EVER ONCE SAY BEING GAY WAS WRONG. You take Levicticus and then you take the idea woman are a mans property and that slavery is a good thing and you cannot pick and choose what you say is truth and what is not with a book like that. You trust Paul, who himself had Christians killed in the dozens and it took a blinding light in his eyes to change. No, it is the biggots who will suffer in the end. Its people like you that make me ashamed to be a Christian because it makes us all look insane.

I dont feel sorry one bit for gay people (all the harrassment), NOT that i tease them, but DUH its like askin for it!!! Your ganna stick out! specially in a world where majority of people look at it as ... EWWW!!!!
Yeah, and it's the black people's fault that they were discriminated against in the 60s! They were asking for it!

:rolleyes:

And let biggots like you walk around, saying they know what God wants. Then, once you get to Heaven, Jesus will take a cricket bat to your ass and you will be the ones who will suffer eternal pain for your ignorance and your arrogant pride against a minority who did not choose to be the way they are. JESUS DID NOT EVER ONCE SAY BEING GAY WAS WRONG. You take Levicticus and then you take the idea woman are a mans property and that slavery is a good thing and you cannot pick and choose what you say is truth and what is not with a book like that. You trust Paul, who himself had Christians killed in the dozens and it took a blinding light in his eyes to change. No, it is the biggots who will suffer in the end. Its people like you that make me ashamed to be a Christian because it makes us all look insane.
Ad hominem attacks from an obvious non-Christian.
To be a Christian, you must follow the principles and rules, not simply claim "I a Xtian" at the end of your posts to somehow justify your rant.

Ad hominem attacks from an obvious non-Christian.
To be a Christian, you must follow the principles and rules, not simply claim "I a Xtian" at the end of your posts to somehow justify your rant.
Which apparently involves being bigoted.

God help us if all Christians are like you TT.

Which apparently involves being bigoted.

God help us if all Christians are like you TT.

Deus misereatur...

Quit derailing my thread into a discussion of the Bible. I'm REALLY not in the mood.

To whoever said something about me getting popular by 16 - I'm not "left out" like unpopular, in fact I have very few people I dislike or who dislike me. It's just that everyone else is going out with the same sex and with a high school of just 200, that leaves so few straight people that they're all taken. I'd so much rather be bi... there are lots of single lesbians!

Deus misereatur...
God is pitied...or is that subjunctive...its passive, I know that, so god is the recipiant of the action, who is the agent?

God would be pitied? Imperfect Subjunctive Passive?

The Gay School. I bet they have one hell of a wrestling team. LOL.


Oh, I can imagine. LOL!

Ad hominem attacks from an obvious non-Christian.
To be a Christian, you must follow the principles and rules, not simply claim "I a Xtian" at the end of your posts to somehow justify your rant.



Stop speaking in Latin, it just makes you sound arrogant. And by the way, God will judge whether I am a Christian or not, not some homophobic biggot who thinks he's too good for the rest of us.

Stop speaking in Latin, it just makes you sound arrogant. And by the way, God will judge whether I am a Christian or not, not some homophobic biggot who thinks he's too good for the rest of us.
Latin is the language of the Church as well as of the Holy Bible. It is you who is arrogant.

There is no salvation outside the Church, as God will judge.

extra ecclesiam nulla salus

That would be the one I go to. The majority is gay or bi. I feel left out of all the queerness!

And how's this for screwed-up irony: A straight girl who is liked by girls more often than guys, many of whose crushes turn out to be gay. Again, me.

Oh, the frustration...

OMG I so totally wanna go to that school, would be the best smelling, best decorated, best dressed school ever!

Latin is the language of the Church as well as of the Holy Bible. It is you who is arrogant.

There is no salvation outside the Church, as God will judge.

extra ecclesiam nulla salus



Funny, I thought Latin was a dead language, unless of course those books I read on it while I was studing it were wrong. Also, Latin was used in the Bible because thats what the Romans spoke. It took hundreds of years before it was translated into English. To be honest, Greek should be the language of the church, given it is also a living language and was spoken before Latin. I won't even continue this argument because I've seen it a thousand times before. If you hate gays because they don't like someone of the opposite gender, thats like a right handed person hating a left handed person and no gay people don't choose to be that way. Why would someone choose a life of ridicule and persecution like that given how many people are gay?

I dont feel sorry one bit for gay people (all the harrassment), NOT that i tease them, but DUH its like askin for it!!! Your ganna stick out! specially in a world where majority of people look at it as ... EWWW!!!!

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist - so I said nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat - so I did nothing. Then they came for the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist. And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew - so I did little. Then when they came for me, there was no one left who could stand up for me."

Figure it out.

Funny, I thought Latin was a dead language, unless of course those books I read on it while I was studing it were wrong. Also, Latin was used in the Bible because thats what the Romans spoke. It took hundreds of years before it was translated into English. To be honest, Greek should be the language of the church, given it is also a living language and was spoken before Latin.
What you were "studing" was wrong.
I won't even continue this argument because I've seen it a thousand times before. If you hate gays because they don't like someone of the opposite gender, thats like a right handed person hating a left handed person and no gay people don't choose to be that way. Why would someone choose a life of ridicule and persecution like that given how many people are gay?
Homosexuals are servants of satan and therefore slaves of the Jews on earth.

What you were "studing" was wrong.

Homosexuals are servants of satan and therefore slaves of the Jews on earth.
Haha servants of satan eh, well I'm sure if I were that deluded I would've tried to kill you now. Maybe YOUR "studing" was wrong. *starts to sing the "Build a bridge and get the hell over it song"*

No ones doing anything to you so for gods sakes grow up.

What you were "studing" was wrong.

Homosexuals are servants of satan and therefore slaves of the Jews on earth.


And every hetrosexual person is an angel of God on earth, right? No countries official language is latin anymore budy. Italian and Spanish are similar but Latin itself is more a purist language or for studying ancient text.

Haha servants of satan eh, well I'm sure if I were that deluded I would've tried to kill you now. Maybe YOUR "studing" was wrong. *starts to sing the "Build a bridge and get the hell over it song"*

No ones doing anything to you so for gods sakes grow up.
Excuse me?
Your attempts to be humorous have been futile and rather incomprehensible to be honest.

OK, this Tenete Traditiones needs to realise that the joke's not funny any more.

And every hetrosexual person is an angel of God on earth, right? No countries official language is latin anymore budy. Italian and Spanish are similar but Latin itself is more a purist language or for studying ancient text.
You really are ignorant. A language need not be the official language of a specific country. Latin is the universal language of the Roman Catholic Church, spanning the globe. It is also the language of the inerrant Holy Bible as I stated earlier.

Excuse me?
Your attempts to be humorous have been futile and rather incomprehensible to be honest.



And your attempts to prove gay people are evil are simply narrow and based on several scriptures taken out of context. Let me guess, you also support woman as property of men and selling your children into slavery is perfectly accpetable, right?

Blah blah blah, JEWS!.

You really are ignorant. A language need not be the official language of a specific country. Latin is the universal language of the Roman Catholic Church, spanning the globe. It is also the language of the inerrant Holy Bible as I stated earlier.


Well I'm not Catholic, so that doesn't concern me and all the Bibles I read are in English. I've only ever heard the Lord's Prayer in English and that was at a Christmas Service.

And your attempts to prove gay people are evil are simply narrow and based on several scriptures taken out of context. Let me guess, you also suppoer woman as property of men and selling your children into slavery is perfectly accpetable, right?
No, those were ceremonial practices of the Hebrews prior to the coming of Christ. Only the moral laws of the Mosaic Code remain in effect.

Well I'm not Catholic, so that doesn't concern me and all the Bibles I read are in English. I've only ever heard the Lord's Prayer in English and that was at a Christmas Service.
Okay so you're not a Christian, what is your point?

Okay so you're not a Christian, what is your point?



Ok, ever heard of a Protestant?

And every hetrosexual person is an angel of God on earth, right? No countries official language is latin anymore budy. Italian and Spanish are similar but Latin itself is more a purist language or for studying ancient text.

Latin is the official language of The State of the City of the Vatican which, though small, is an independent country.

Ok, ever heard of a Protestant?
Protestant, that is a branch of heretic containing over 30,000 different groups stemming from the Lutheran Apostasy of 1517? Yes, of course I've heard of them. But what is your point?

Protestant, that is a branch of heretic containing over 30,000 different groups stemming from the Lutheran Apostasy of 1517? Yes, of course I've heard of them. But what is your point?



I'm a Prostant. So let me guess, Luther and Calvin were captured by the Rainbow Coalition and now are also Satan and the Jews slaves?

OK, anyone who still thinks Tenete is for real should read the thread Whats wrong with being left wing? (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=361937)

Protestant, that is a branch of heretic containing over 30,000 different groups stemming from the Lutheran Apostasy of 1517? Yes, of course I've heard of them. But what is your point?
Get over it TT, the Catholic church was a group of hyprocritical motherahemers back then. They deserved to get split.

OK, anyone who still thinks Tenete is for real should read the thread Whats wrong with being left wing? (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=361937)
What specifically do you criticize in my posts on that thread? And why do you lack the decency to respond to them rather than posting them other threads to prove your point while not refuting them in any way? Please also cease the ad-hominem attacks.

I'm a Prostant. So let me guess, Luther and Calvin were captured by the Rainbow Coalition and now are also Satan and the Jews slaves?

extra ecclesiam nulla salus

What specifically do you criticize in my posts on that thread? And why do you lack the decency to respond to them rather than posting them other threads to prove your point while not refuting them in any way? Please also cease the ad-hominem attacks.

What does ad-hominem mean?

extra ecclesiam nulla salus


I remember saying how I dislike Protestants who say Catholics aren't Christians. I also dislike Catholics that say Protestants aren't Christians. You seem to judge others too much, given I thought Jesus said in refering to judgement "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Stone is a metaphor for judgement in all aspects of life.

What does ad-hominem mean?



Pro-gay I think, let me check.

Pro-gay I think, let me check.
Against the person.

Against the person.

Ah, I get it. You may think me stupid for suggesting this, but do you reckon there is any chance Tenete Traditiones is not a parody nation, and actual believes what he/she posts?

What does ad-hominem mean?

From Nikzor.org, a jew-website:

Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
3. Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).
Example of Ad Hominem

1. Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."
Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."
Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"
Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."

I remember saying how I dislike Protestants who say Catholics aren't Christians. I also dislike Catholics that say Protestants aren't Christians. You seem to judge others too much, given I thought Jesus said in refering to judgement "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Stone is a metaphor for judgement in all aspects of life.
Unfortunate...

Protestants are not Christians. They broke away from Christ's mystical body, the Holy Mother Church. The only way to be saved is by reuniting with the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.


"It must be held by faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church, no one can be saved; that this is the only ark of salvation; that he who shall not have entered therein will perish in the flood." ~Pope Pius IX

Deus misereatur...

Do you mean "Deum Miseratur"? Let he/she/it pity God? Or do you just not really know Latin?

From Nikzor.org, a jew-website:

Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
3. Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).
Example of Ad Hominem

1. Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."
Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."
Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"
Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."

Urm, you didn't have to write all that, I still think your a jerk for calling me a servant of satan. Your a prick in my mind and will remain one.

Unfortunate...

Protestants are not Christians. They broke away from Christ's mystical body, the Holy Mother Church. The only way to be saved is by reuniting with the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.


"It must be held by faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church, no one can be saved; that this is the only ark of salvation; that he who shall not have entered therein will perish in the flood." ~Pope Pius IX



Quoting the non-bias Pope really makes me believe you. Jesus, by the way, wasn't Catholic. His followers "created" the church and the the evil, destructive Roman Empire made the Catholic Church prominent in the world. By the way, just because you say Protestants aren't Christians doesn't mean we aren't. We simply believe different things but of course that makes us evi, left wing gay communist jews, right? Yes, I string all your negativity towards many groups together to make your arguments sound assinine.

Urm, you didn't have to write all that, I still think your a jerk for calling me a servant of satan. Your a prick in my mind and will remain one.
I never claimed to write that. I claimed clearly at the top:
From Nikzor.org, a jew-website:

From Nikzor.org, a jew-website:

Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
3. Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).
Example of Ad Hominem

1. Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."
Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."
Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"
Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."

And when your arguments are based solely on scripture that has little to no basis in reality, your argument does tend to fall apart. There is no Ad Hominem about it.

I never claimed to write that. I claimed clearly at the top:
From Nikzor.org, a jew-website:

Yes but you follow that idea do you not?

Quoting the non-bias Pope really makes me believe you. Jesus, by the way, wasn't Catholic. His followers "created" the church and the the evil, destructive Roman Empire made the Catholic Church prominent in the world. By the way, just because you say Protestants aren't Christians doesn't mean we aren't. We simply believe different things but of course that makes us evi, left wing gay communist jews, right? Yes, I string all your negativity towards many groups together to make your arguments sound assinine.
Christ's Church has said that, not me. Christ established the Church with these words :
"et ego dico tibi quia tu es Petrus et super hanc petram aedificabo ecclesiam meam et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversum eam"

"And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. "
~Matthew 16:18

Just in case you didn't realise, "not for real" is not an attack on your character, but I standment of belief that your behaviour is meant only in jest. From your posts, it is only logical for me to assume that you do not believe what you write, that is to say you are posting them so that they may amuse, rather than to convey an actual idea.

However, if you are parodying, you probably know this, and only took the remark as an attack as an easy way out, without arousing the suspicions of posters who still believe that you are serious.

If you are serious, then quite frankly disputing your points would probably be a wasted effort, as you seem far too devoted to your beliefs to consider anything that I would say.

Christ's Church has said that, not me. Christ established the Church with these words :
"et ego dico tibi quia tu es Petrus et super hanc petram aedificabo ecclesiam meam et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversum eam"

"And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. "
~Matthew 16:18



Hmm, Jesus told Peter to build the church and given Jesus knew that the church would seperate because God is all knowing. He could have out right said it be Catholic because he knew that Catholics would come into existance then Luthers, etc.

Yes but you follow that idea do you not?
Many a time do I hear:
"I'm not going to continue this debate since I am right because you are (insert nazi, hitler, KKK, extremist, etc. here)"

Usually something of the likes.

Many a time do I hear:
"I'm not going to continue this debate since I am right because you are (insert nazi, hitler, KKK, extremist, etc. here)"

Usually something of the likes.

But...you ARE an extremist, you hate the jews, and you hate black people. So wouldn't all four of those apply?

Many a time do I hear:
"I'm not going to continue this debate since I am right because you are (insert nazi, hitler, KKK, extremist, etc. here)"

Usually something of the likes.



You are an extremist, not a KKK or Nazi I hope but you cannot deny extremism in you.

To put it bluntly TT, you're an ignorant fool who has no idea where your church came from, even what language the Bible is in, and has decided that from this unlearned, illiterate ignorance to sprout forth ideas and concept and foist them upon the world.

Once again, wanna quote the Bible in another language? Try the original, not a bastardized Latin version. The Vulgate is used by the Church? True, and even they have admitted it has huge translational problems. Wanna shoot your mouth off when someone corrects you? Go read Proverbs and memorize everything a Fool does, and see which one of those little stories in there you fall under.

Being smart is not knowing everything and having an answer to everything, being smart is being clearly aware of what you absolutely do not know and not pretending that you do.

He hates black people?

But...you ARE an extremist, you hate the jews, and you hate black people. So wouldn't all four of those apply?

Don't forget he's a homophobe.

Hmm, Jesus told Peter to build the church and given Jesus knew that the church would seperate because God is all knowing. He could have out right said it be Catholic because he knew that Catholics would come into existance then Luthers, etc.

When was you Church founded and by what man? (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/3975/churches.htm)
For it is known that the Catholic Church is the only to be founded by God Himself through Jesus Christ.

Please give me a real answer though. If its not on that list, here is an Alternate List (http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/jamie/864/hoiyc.htm). If you belong to one of the other 30,000 denominations, try looking it up yourself. Others are welcome to answer as well.

He hates black people?

See http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7153144&postcount=30 for confirmation.

When was you Church founded and by what man? (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/3975/churches.htm)
For it is known that the Catholic Church is the only to be founded by God Himself through Jesus Christ.

Please give me a real answer though. If its not on that list, here is an Alternate List (http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/jamie/864/hoiyc.htm). If you belong to one of the other 30,000 denominations, try looking it up yourself. Others are welcome to answer as well.

As a proud hethen and hellbound sinner, I couldn't care less :p

To put it bluntly TT, you're an ignorant fool who has no idea where your church came from, even what language the Bible is in, and has decided that from this unlearned, illiterate ignorance to sprout forth ideas and concept and foist them upon the world.

Once again, wanna quote the Bible in another language? Try the original, not a bastardized Latin version. The Vulgate is used by the Church? True, and even they have admitted it has huge translational problems. Wanna shoot your mouth off when someone corrects you? Go read Proverbs and memorize everything a Fool does, and see which one of those little stories in there you fall under.

Really? The Latin Vulgate is inerrant, its accuracy is maintained by the Holy Mother Church.

Really? The Latin Vulgate is inerrant, its accuracy is maintained by the Holy Mother Church.

So, even if the translation is wrong, it's still right because people say so?

See http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7153144&postcount=30 for confirmation.
That post does not show I "hate black people."

That post does not show I "hate black people."


You don't think they should have civil rights though.

When was you Church founded and by what man? (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/3975/churches.htm)
For it is known that the Catholic Church is the only to be founded by God Himself through Jesus Christ.

Please give me a real answer though. If its not on that list, here is an Alternate List (http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/jamie/864/hoiyc.htm). If you belong to one of the other 30,000 denominations, try looking it up yourself. Others are welcome to answer as well.


The Catholic church was founded at the Council of Nicea by Constantine the Great in and around 324. In subsequent years the actual structure and formation of the church was established, though the Pope did not emerge as pre-eminent until after 476 AD, long after Jesus was gone.

So, even if the translation is wrong, it's still right because people say so?
The translation is not wrong because the Vicar of Christ has asserted it's usage as the official Bible of the Church.

Really? The Latin Vulgate is inerrant, its accuracy is maintained by the Holy Mother Church.


Go check again, instead of beleiving everything you're told like a 3 year old go do some reading.

The Catholic church was founded at the Council of Nicea by Constantine the Great in and around 324. In subsequent years the actual structure and formation of the church was established, though the Pope did not emerge as pre-eminent until after 476 AD, long after Jesus was gone.
Protestant propaganda.
Christ founded the Church with the words of Matthew 16:18 (just look up a few posts).
The popes can be traced from Peter I to Pius XII.

The translation is not wrong because the Vicar of Christ has asserted it's usage as the official Bible of the Church.


But what if the words don't mean what they think you mean? What if, as you quoted earlier, the grammar is all wrong and it makes no actual sense? Yet the original Greek makes perfect sense and in fact says something completely different?

Protestant propaganda.
Christ founded the Church with the words of Matthew 16:18 (just look up a few posts).
The popes can be traced from Peter I to Pius XII.


Really? Even though Peter only came to Rome to be crucified and Paul and Linus were the head of the church of Rome?

And how is it Protestant propoganda? You do realize that that actually happened? Even the Catholics of the time actually say that it really happened? It wasn't just something made up.

Go check again, instead of beleiving everything you're told like a 3 year old go do some reading.
I have done plenty of reading and escaped my former indoctrination by the Jewish establishment regarding multiculturalism and the corruption of Christianity by judaizers. You are a slave to the system.

Really? The Latin Vulgate is inerrant, its accuracy is maintained by the Holy Mother Church.

So, Jesus, who spoke Aramaic, has his message maintained by a Latin-speaking Church? Where do I find a Bible in the original Aramaic? Where do I find one that dates back to earlier than 300AD? The Catholic Church is only claimed to be inerrant by Catholicism, just as other churches claim themselves inerrant, that proves nothing.

But what if the words don't mean what they think you mean? What if, as you quoted earlier, the grammar is all wrong and it makes no actual sense? Yet the original Greek makes perfect sense and in fact says something completely different?
I'll repeat again from a few pages ago: From a non-religious perspective, Saint Jerome had lived during the actual usage of the Greek and Hebrew that was in the manuscripts. And that was all they were then- manuscripts to be translated through the inspiration of Saint Jerome and Pope Damasus I to form the canonical books of the Holy Bible. While the Greek and Hebrew were corrupted through time, the Latin Vulgate was the official Bible of the Church and was preserved accordingly. No other "protestant" translations are acceptable!

STOP DERAILING MY THREAD! I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT THE LANGUAGE OF THE BIBLE!

although for what it's worth I think if you're going to follow the Bible you should read it in Greek... BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD. GO START YOUR OWN!

I'll repeat again from a few pages ago: From a non-religious perspective, Saint Jerome had lived during the actual usage of the Greek and Hebrew that was in the manuscripts. And that was all they were then- manuscripts to be translated through the inspiration of Saint Jerome and Pope Damasus I to form the canonical books of the Holy Bible. While the Greek and Hebrew were corrupted through time, the Latin Vulgate was the official Bible of the Church and was preserved accordingly. No other "protestant" translations are acceptable!


Dumbass, no one is saying use Protestant translations. I'm saying use the actual Greek! Thats all! The Latin has problems! Its not an attack against your religion, get over it.

So, Jesus, who spoke Aramaic, has his message maintained by a Latin-speaking Church?
Ita.

Dumbass, no one is saying use Protestant translations. I'm saying use the actual Greek! Thats all! The Latin has problems! Its not an attack against your religion, get over it.
The Greek is PERVERTED. The Latin is PRESERVED.

The Greek is PERVERTED. The Latin is PRESERVED.



Yes and thats why a whole country still speaks Greek and only the Vatican speaks Latin, right?

STOP DERAILING MY THREAD! I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT THE LANGUAGE OF THE BIBLE!

although for what it's worth I think if you're going to follow the Bible you should read it in Greek... BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD. GO START YOUR OWN!



Sorry about this. It started off as defending you from TT's homophobic bullshit but yes, it has gotten out of hand.

Yes and thats why a whole country still speaks Greek and only the Vatican speaks Latin, right?

ZING! Now let us celebrate our new arrangement with the adding of chocolate to milk.

Yes and thats why a whole country still speaks Greek and only the Vatican speaks Latin, right?
Modern Greek and Biblical Greek are very different. Jerome knew the Greek of his time, modern Greeks and other scholars do not. You should know this.
Secondly, the sheer number of speakers does not determine a language's preservation, and particularly has nothing to do with the inerrancy of the Vulgate.
By the way the Church is universal- Latin is spoken anywhere the Church is- pretty much everywhere in the world.

Yes and thats why a whole country still speaks Greek and only the Vatican speaks Latin, right?

The Greek they speak in Greece now (Modern Greek) is actually quite far removed from Ancient Greek. Ancient Greek is not the official language of any country, as far as I know. In that sense, the Greek the Bible was written in has actually been perverted. Of course, Ancient Greek has been preserved, and, like Latin, many scholars still study and/or speak it.

Latin is the official language of the Roman Catholic Church, to which about 1 billion people worldwide profess their faith. Greece, ont he other hand, has a population of about 10 million. Of course not all Catholics know Latin, but it remains the official language of the Universal Church.

And don't say "only the Vatican" like that. The Vatican City is just as legitimate a country as any other.

The Greek they speak in Greece now (Modern Greek) is actually quite far removed from Ancient Greek. Ancient Greek is not the official language of any country, as far as I know. In that sense, the Greek the Bible was written in has actually been perverted. Of course, Ancient Greek has been preserved, and, like Latin, many scholars still study and/or speak it.

And don't say "only the Vatican" like that. The Vatican City is just as legitimate a country as any other.



The Vatican is a legitimate country but with a small population. That is what I meant.

Modern Greek and Biblical Greek are very different. Jerome knew the Greek of his time, modern Greeks and other scholars do not. You should know this.
Secondly, the sheer number of speakers does not determine a language's preservation, and particularly has nothing to do with the inerrancy of the Vulgate.
By the way the Church is universal- Latin is spoken anywhere the Church is- pretty much everywhere in the world.



So which Greek is perverted then? When you say the church, if you mean simply catholics, mention that otherwise, that is christianity as a whole (Protestants and Catholics).

So which Greek is perverted then? When you say the church, if you mean simply catholics, mention that otherwise, that is christianity as a whole (Protestants and Catholics).
When I said the Greek was perverted, I was not referring to the language itself but the Greek Biblical manuscripts we were discussing. These Ancient Greek manuscripts have been distorted.
Modern Greek really is irrelevant to this whole discussion.

When I said the Greek was perverted, I was not referring to the language itself but the Greek Biblical manuscripts we were discussing. These Ancient Greek manuscripts have been distorted.
Modern Greek really is irrelevant to this whole discussion.

But hasn't the latin been distorted through mistranslation?

It should also be noted that the Roman Catholic Church is the Church of Christ.

It should also be noted that the Roman Catholic Church is the Church of Christ.


Protestants believe in Christ too. We are legitimate.

But hasn't the latin been distorted through mistranslation?
It was translated with Divine Inspiration through St. Jerome and the Church safeguarded it through time. When distorted bibles were discovered, they were destroyed which is where the ridiculous Protestant claims of the Church being against the reading of Scriptures by supposedly burning bibles came from.
The Church has always supported reading the Bible, however you must understand it in its accurate form and not some distorted interpretation.

Protestants believe in Christ too. We are legitimate.
Satan believes in Christ, too.

Please move this discussion to my thread on the church language and other christian debates and leave this thread be. Zincite has been generous enough to allow this to go on but I think we've abused our welcome.

Satan believes in Christ, too.



Are you comparing Protestants to Satan? Please though, move this discussio to my thread.

Please move this discussion to my thread on the church language and other christian debates and leave this thread be. Zincite has been generous enough to allow this to go on but I think we've abused our welcome.
This thread will likely die when we leave anyway but I suppose we could move to a more suitable thread.

This thread will likely die when we leave anyway but I suppose we could move to a more suitable thread.
Naturally, we must not allow this thread to die.

TT I hope you don't feel Insulted but isn't there a scipture saying don't let your diffrences spilt you as in "YOU AREN'T DAMNED TO HELL IF YOU DISAGREE" As in you are full of bull.

TT I hope you don't feel Insulted but isn't there a scipture saying don't let your diffrences spilt you as in "YOU AREN'T DAMNED TO HELL IF YOU DISAGREE" As in you are full of bull.
Your statement was not exactly coherent. Please clarify if you have something to contribute.

TT, have you ever given birth?