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Why is it as the world goes through time that people just turn into bigger and bigger cry baby whining wimps. If we would have acted as they acted in the 1600s and terrorist hit the WTC towers, America would have went and burned, raised and killed everyone who was suspected of even knowing about the attack. Another thing is in that time very few people cared about people they didn't know, now many people feel sorry for people in Africa and other screwed up places and wants to give welfare and foreign aid. And what happened to a strong sense of patriotism, now it seems that people love other countries just as much as they love their own. Anyone think I might have been born in the wrong time period.

And Killer plagues! Boy, those were the days, weren't they?

back to the days of apathy and pillaging!

where does enodscopia live, i want to pillage his house

where does enodscopia live, i want to pillage his house

Why stop there? Kill him and his house is yours.

Aye!

Why stop there? Kill him and his house is yours.
ooh good idea

Why is it as the world goes through time that people just turn into bigger and bigger cry baby whining wimps. If we would have acted as they acted in the 1600s and terrorist hit the WTC towers, America would have went and burned, raised and killed everyone who was suspected of even knowing about the attack. Another thing is in that time very few people cared about people they didn't know, now many people feel sorry for people in Africa and other screwed up places and wants to give welfare and foreign aid. And what happened to a strong sense of patriotism, now it seems that people love other countries just as much as they love their own. Anyone think I might have been born in the wrong time period.

We call this 'civilisation', Earthling. Many of us consider it an improvement.

I can see that you of course are clearly not one given to complaining, and when something upsets you, you simply and silently go out and wreak your terrible vengeance upon whoever you feel like (even if they had nothing to do with it).

Its not called civilization, its called political correctness. It blows.

A good war, invasion, or plague, keeps the population in check, and keeps eveyone on their toes.

Try and come to my house and pillage, I believe, in the viking fashion of dealing with enemies.

Best thread ever :D

Its not called civilization, its called political correctness. It blows.

A good war, invasion, or plague, keeps the population in check, and keeps eveyone on their toes.

Try and come to my house and pillage, I believe, in the viking fashion of dealing with enemies.

You must have a tremendously large penis. :rolleyes:

You must have a tremendously large penis. :rolleyes:

ROFLMAO!!! Oh, God! My body is wracked with hysterical laughter! ROFL!

Hrmm, back in the 1600's you were lucky to make it out of childhood. If you did, you were most likely confined to working as a farmhand for the remainder of your short life.

Yeah, this sounds like the life.

Anyone think I might have been born in the wrong time period.

Yes, you should have been born in the 14th century, where you would have died before you got old enough to be so dumb.

Yes, you should have been born in the 14th century, where you would have died before you got old enough to be so dumb.

Well said

It sounds like people can not make the distinction between technological changes and social changes. Enodscopia is talking about the way of life as far as social standards go, not medicinal advancements or improvement in life in general. Political correctness is something that will continue to be torn between some states while others already have it in check. But I also see the point in allowing states to do as they please and have all the political correctness they wish to have. As long as it doesn't hinder another state in the process. That is currently how we have it but with the overbearing of some of our past federal administrations it has become a bit more generalized.

Its not called civilization, its called political correctness. It blows.

A good war, invasion, or plague, keeps the population in check, and keeps eveyone on their toes.

Try and come to my house and pillage, I believe, in the viking fashion of dealing with enemies.

Of course! That's the aim of good government, that's why we invaded all these tiny countries, that's why we pillage things - it's for their own good! To 'keep everyone on their toes'...how could I have missed something so simple.

Of course, all the corpses and rape victims aren't on their toes, but I imagine they are collateral damage...

The original post could be rephrased "Hey, less people are dying these days, what did we do wrong?'

Madness, hilarious though.

Its not called civilization, its called political correctness. It blows.

A good war, invasion, or plague, keeps the population in check, and keeps eveyone on their toes.

Try and come to my house and pillage, I believe, in the viking fashion of dealing with enemies.

Okay, so if we're worried about keeping the population in check, why all the outrage regarding the lives lost in the 9/11 attacks? Oh, that's right, because it was OUR lives. I would think we could be just a tad more civilized than they were.

"We ain't what we should be
We ain't what we gonna be
But at LEAST we ain't what we was."

I'm sick of the romanticism wrapped up with the days of yore when we weren't such wussies. I seem to remember "the good ol' days" being fraught with racism, sexism, oppression, and bloodletting. Why, exactly is that considered a GOOD thing?

"Har, har, har! Ahoy mate!" According to the starter of this thread that should be heard all over the Theodore Roosevelt carrier :D

Just sugguest that the USA should have nuked Irak so we can all go home. :p

It sounds like people can not make the distinction between technological changes and social changes. Enodscopia is talking about the way of life as far as social standards go, not medicinal advancements or improvement in life in general.

Enodscopia (crazy name, crazy guy) is talking about the mighty stomping the weak, just because they can. One of the reasons we have all the technological advances of the modern world etc is that the weak got a bit of rest from the mighty stomping on them, long enough to invent things like steam engines and the multimix milkshake fountain. (I've been reading the history of MacDonalds - fascinating).

With all the technology now available to it, the USA could go all over the world stomping on little countries, nicking their stuff and really riling their inhabitatants, who would in their turn become ever keener to bomb americans, making life that little bit shittier for everyone.

I think I speak for many of the posters to this thread when I say that we feel that progress is a holistic thing, and the best way to keep everyone happy, healthy and progressing towards a modern cheerful way of life is to be nice to them.

[Independent Homesteads #19]
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Originally Posted by Faithfull-freedom
It sounds like people can not make the distinction between technological changes and social changes. Enodscopia is talking about the way of life as far as social standards go, not medicinal advancements or improvement in life in general.

Enodscopia (crazy name, crazy guy) is talking about the mighty stomping the weak, just because they can. One of the reasons we have all the technological advances of the modern world etc is that the weak got a bit of rest from the mighty stomping on them, long enough to invent things like steam engines and the multimix milkshake fountain. (I've been reading the history of MacDonalds - fascinating).

With all the technology now available to it, the USA could go all over the world stomping on little countries, nicking their stuff and really riliing their inhabitatants, who would in their turn become ever keener to bomb americans, making life that little bit shittier for everyone.

I think I speak for many of the posters to this thread when I say that we feel that progress is a holistic thing, and the best way to keep everyone happy, healthy and progressing towards a modern cheerful way of life is to be nice to them.

Absolutely correct,.. and if they don't want "progress toward a modern cheerful way of life", you stomp them into the ground like the silly insects that they are.

That's not REALLY my position, but whatcha gonna do with the Bad-boys, Bad-boys...?

I think I speak for many of the posters to this thread when I say that we feel that progress is a holistic thing, and the best way to keep everyone happy, healthy and progressing towards a modern cheerful way of life is to be nice to them.

Oh yes as far as being nice to people that is not a problem nor was it a problem back in the day he thought he should of been born. People would bring strangers into their home and give them food water and a job and a place to stay. It is the thought that you must be this way that is wrong. It should be left to the person to decide through their own free will. That is how you seperate the genuine good people from the acting ones.

It sounds like people can not make the distinction between technological changes and social changes. Enodscopia is talking about the way of life as far as social standards go, not medicinal advancements or improvement in life in general. ~edit~

Swell, but the FACT is that there is a massive romanticization of a time period that wasn't very romantic to the people living in it. Wanna talk social change? Let's talk social change... why don't we all read up on Feudal society and see if it sounds like fun. If you're a serf, you work your butt off for nothing and your landlord has godlike power over your goods (most likely farmed to feed the family AND trade for clothing and comforts...like shoes). If we want to talk Renaissance, scientists were still being hanged for believing against the bible. If we're all so concerned about population, why aren't we more supportive of homosexuals. They don't reproduce NEARLY as much as heterosexual couples (and that includes artificial insemination of homosexual women to produce a child). And while we're at it, why don't we encourage them to adopt the children nobody wants... parent existing populations instead of creating new ones.

Absolutely correct,.. and if they don't want "progress toward a modern cheerful way of life", you stomp them into the ground like the silly insects that they are.

That's not REALLY my position, but whatcha gonna do with the Bad-boys, Bad-boys...?

try them with due process under the rule of law, put them in prison, and be nice to them.

It should be left to the person to decide through their own free will. That is how you seperate the genuine good people from the acting ones.

No it shouldn't. I don't care if the person who doesn't shoot me is not shooting me out of genuine concern for my welfare or because they don't want to go to prison. Always and everywhere we should coerce people into being nice to people, as long as we only use nice coercion.

Why is it as the world goes through time that people just turn into bigger and bigger cry baby whining wimps. If we would have acted as they acted in the 1600s and terrorist hit the WTC towers, America would have went and burned, raised and killed everyone who was suspected of even knowing about the attack.

You mean, like Saudi Arabia? Rubbish. Realpolitik was alive and well in the 17th century, just like it was in the 7th, just like it was in the Iron Age, the Bronze Age, the neolithic...

You have to remember that the history you read is what was written down, and not necessarily what actually happened. The further back you go, the less written material there is to begin with and the less survives to the present day. The past was not filled with yodelling Tarzanesque colossi, striding and smiting and generally living la vie heroique. It was filled with people very much like people today. An event on the scale of 9/11 in the 1600s would have resulted in just as much headless-chicken-like running around and wild-eyed blame-flinging in all directions, probably at the nearest minority group. You'd have fitted right in no bother.

Another thing is in that time very few people cared about people they didn't know, now many people feel sorry for people in Africa and other screwed up places and wants to give welfare and foreign aid.

TV and live satellite feeds are what we historians call very very recent. Far too recent, in fact, to have played any role in forming public opinion in the 17th century. Nonetheless, tales of misery and oppression in foreign parts did excite public sympathy and pity.

And what happened to a strong sense of patriotism, now it seems that people love other countries just as much as they love their own. Anyone think I might have been born in the wrong time period.

Again, you fall into the "giants walked the earth in those days" nostalgia-for-a-Golden-Age-that-never-was trap (or NFAGATNW trap, for short). Investigate any period you feel to be super-patriotic and you'll find it stuffed with traitors, double-agents, internationalists, pacifists, looking-out-for-number-one profiteers and leave-me-alone-it's-none-of-my-businessites.

You mean, like Saudi Arabia? Rubbish. Realpolitik was alive and well in the 17th century, just like it was in the 7th, just like it was in the Iron Age, the Bronze Age, the neolithic...

You have to remember that the history you read is what was written down, and not necessarily what actually happened. The further back you go, the less written material there is to begin with and the less survives to the present day. The past was not filled with yodelling Tarzanesque colossi, striding and smiting and generally living la vie heroique. It was filled with people very much like people today. An event on the scale of 9/11 in the 1600s would have resulted in just as much headless-chicken-like running around and wild-eyed blame-flinging in all directions, probably at the nearest minority group. You'd have fitted right in no bother.



TV and live satellite feeds are what we historians call very very recent. Fra too recent, in fact, to have played any role in forming public opinion in the 17th century. Nonetheless, tales of misery and oppression in foreign parts did excite public sympathy and pity.



Again, you fall into the "giants walked the earth in those days" nostalgia-for-a-Golden-Age-that-never-was trap (or NFAGATNW trap, for short). Investigate any period you feel to be super-patriotic and you'll find it stuffed with traitors, double-agents, internationalists, pacifists, looking-out-for-number-one profiteers and leave-me-alone-it's-none-of-my-businessites.

what he said.

Its not called civilization, its called political correctness. It blows.

A good war, invasion, or plague, keeps the population in check, and keeps eveyone on their toes.

Try and come to my house and pillage, I believe, in the viking fashion of dealing with enemies.

No it's called being civilized and evolved. Anyone who subscribes to violence first is a neanderthal.

Swell, but the FACT is that there is a massive romanticization of a time period that wasn't very romantic to the people living in it. Wanna talk social change? Let's talk social change... why don't we all read up on Feudal society and see if it sounds like fun. If you're a serf, you work your butt off for nothing and your landlord has godlike power over your goods (most likely farmed to feed the family AND trade for clothing and comforts...like shoes). If we want to talk Renaissance, scientists were still being hanged for believing against the bible. If we're all so concerned about population, why aren't we more supportive of homosexuals. They don't reproduce NEARLY as much as heterosexual couples (and that includes artificial insemination of homosexual women to produce a child).

But the romanticization is the problem not the way of life they lived by as a principle. With a few of the social 'progresses' we have endured and the basic principles of yesterday we have become a great nation yes. That is because less than a third of this countries states have gone overboard with political correctness. I just feel sorry for the people that have to live with all that fake PC acting nice feeling they see each day. Be real and thats why I am a realist, pc dumbs down and hides peoples true colors.

But the romanticization is the problem not the way of life they lived by as a principle. With a few of the social 'progresses' we have endured and the basic principles of yesterday we have become a great nation yes. That is because less than a third of this countries states have gone overboard with political correctness. I just feel sorry for the people that have to live with all that fake PC acting nice feeling they see each day. Be real and thats why I am a realist, pc dumbs down and hides peoples true colors.


America became the great nation it is today because "less than a third of this countries states have gone overboard with political correctness"? Really?

And you feel sorry for people who are nice to each other? Because people's true colours are racist, homophobic, bigoted, selfish and violent?

Actually I'm nice because it's nice to be nice. I feel sorry for people who harbour such bitterness towards nice people who've never done them any harm. You can get therapy for that you know.

I am curious as to whether the most important question to be asked is the "What If ...?" question. That is, If I were <insert type of person here> would I want to be treated such and such a way?

I tend to believe that the PC speech is not necessarily a dumbing down of anything - it is only us who can dumb ourselves down.

My two cents ...

No it shouldn't. I don't care if the person who doesn't shoot me is not shooting me out of genuine concern for my welfare or because they don't want to go to prison. Always and everywhere we should coerce people into being nice to people, as long as we only use nice coercion.

I dont think he is saying to not have any laws. Either way my sentence that you qouted has nothing to do with physical harm to another person, you do not have that right as I also believe. Laws are in place as the same in the acting of the 10 commandments. So outside of physical harm without vidication of such acts, what should be allowed with force? That is why we get to have Howard Stern and that Mike Savage guy, Rush Limbaugh and Mike Moore. Because nobody gives a flying flip about you're feelings, just like you don't give a flip about theirs. See we all end up blowing off pc as being a lame excuse to baby a society. It really hasn't grown much more than it has in the past when you look at % of people from today and yesterday.

You can get therapy for that you know.

I've always found it strange that people will pay others to find out what they already know...Would it not be far easier and much less expensive to simply purchase a couple of books on Psychology?

Maybe it wouldn't be easier. Nothing's easier than letting someone else do it for you, but it would be a lot less expensive. And because I'm a pauper, that's all I care about.

I dont think he is saying to not have any laws. Either way my sentence that you qouted has nothing to do with physical harm to another person, you do not have that right as I also believe. Laws are in place as the same in the acting of the 10 commandments. So outside of physical harm without vidication of such acts, what should be allowed with force? That is why we get to have Howard Stern and that Mike Savage guy, Rush Limbaugh and Mike Moore. Because nobody gives a flying flip about you're feelings, just like you don't give a flip about theirs. See we all end up blowing off pc as being a lame excuse to baby a society. It really hasn't grown much more than it has in the past when you look at % of people from today and yesterday.

What Endoscopia is saying that White Christians should be allowed to do as they please with the laws only to protect them and their property.
Even if those aren't his words, that's what 99.9% of his incoherent babbling comes down to.

But the romanticization is the problem not the way of life they lived by as a principle. With a few of the social 'progresses' we have endured and the basic principles of yesterday we have become a great nation yes. That is because less than a third of this countries states have gone overboard with political correctness. I just feel sorry for the people that have to live with all that fake PC acting nice feeling they see each day. Be real and thats why I am a realist, pc dumbs down and hides peoples true colors.

I don't know, I think PC is just as well-intentioned as realism. For example, there are cultures where certain words just don't exist, and as a result, the concept doesn't exist. The premise behind political correctness was originally to refrain from using vocabulary that is inherently oppressive in an official capacity to try and maintain a standard of neutrality. We want to at least TRY to represent all our citizens. I've got to admire the effort, even if it is halfassed, more than the perpetuation of the same ol' crap.

America became the great nation it is today because "less than a third of this countries states have gone overboard with political correctness"? Really?

And you feel sorry for people who are nice to each other? Because people's true colours are racist, homophobic, bigoted, selfish and violent?

Actually I'm nice because it's nice to be nice. I feel sorry for people who harbour such bitterness towards nice people who've never done them any harm. You can get therapy for that you know.

So are you saying that it is a bad thing that hardly any of our states utilize pc as a basis of thought, instead they are nice through their own free will. Now that is bad?

How many people have the true colors of being a racist, homophobic, selfish and violent? I don't have any friends who are any of those, again I feel sorry for you to have so many friends that are.

I agree in a way, but I am nice because I enjoy being nice. So with you're school of thought it makes it understandable why it becomes hip to be hip. Do what others are doing and whatever is cool must be right lol. Can't wait till base jumping without a chute becomes cool.

Since you know about that therapy then you had better start passing the word along to you're friends!

I am curious as to whether the most important question to be asked is the "What If ...?" question. That is, If I were <insert type of person here> would I want to be treated such and such a way?

I tend to believe that the PC speech is not necessarily a dumbing down of anything - it is only us who can dumb ourselves down.

My two cents ...

Hear, hear!

Why is it as the world goes through time that people just turn into bigger and bigger cry baby whining wimps. If we would have acted as they acted in the 1600s and terrorist hit the WTC towers, America would have went and burned, raised and killed everyone who was suspected of even knowing about the attack.

America? What's America? In the 1600's there really isn't an "America." Even the colonies aren't fully formed by the time of America. Perhaps you meant the 1700's? Perhaps you should do a little research into the French and Indian war. Then perhaps you might do well in studying the attitudes of the Founding Fathers decades later and their admiration of the Iroquois.

So the answer is no, I don't think you would have fitted in even in the 17th century.

Sorry to interrupt, but... what's up with Refused Party Program's signature? :p

Sorry to interrupt, but... what's up with Refused Party Program's signature? :p

I think the question is "what isn't up with RPP's signature"?

Another star topic by Enod :p

Enod, just...stop talking. The more you talk, the dumber you sound.

Why is it as the world goes through time that people just turn into bigger and bigger cry baby whining wimps. If we would have acted as they acted in the 1600s and terrorist hit the WTC towers, America would have went and burned, raised and killed everyone who was suspected of even knowing about the attack. Another thing is in that time very few people cared about people they didn't know, now many people feel sorry for people in Africa and other screwed up places and wants to give welfare and foreign aid. And what happened to a strong sense of patriotism, now it seems that people love other countries just as much as they love their own. Anyone think I might have been born in the wrong time period.
if you believe that going on a murderous rampage is "strong," while using reason, communication, and the higher brain functions of evolved homo sapiens is "weak," then you are indeed in the wrong time period. feel free to borrow my time machine; i recommend the Bronze Age for most unrestrained, irrational, over-grown toddlers.

[Independent Homesteads #23]
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Originally Posted by Iakeokeo
Absolutely correct,.. and if they don't want "progress toward a modern cheerful way of life", you stomp them into the ground like the silly insects that they are.

That's not REALLY my position, but whatcha gonna do with the Bad-boys, Bad-boys...?

try them with due process under the rule of law, put them in prison, and be nice to them.

That sounds good to me..! :)

Makes them feel really bad for being such awful people, they'll convert to "being one of the good guys" and they'll be great examples of why WE'RE the good guys..!

I like it..!

But you have to capture and jail them first, and there "due process" rights are a matter of controversy.

But I do like the concept. :)

[Bottle #41]
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Originally Posted by Enodscopia
Why is it as the world goes through time that people just turn into bigger and bigger cry baby whining wimps. If we would have acted as they acted in the 1600s and terrorist hit the WTC towers, America would have went and burned, raised and killed everyone who was suspected of even knowing about the attack. Another thing is in that time very few people cared about people they didn't know, now many people feel sorry for people in Africa and other screwed up places and wants to give welfare and foreign aid. And what happened to a strong sense of patriotism, now it seems that people love other countries just as much as they love their own. Anyone think I might have been born in the wrong time period.

if you believe that going on a murderous rampage is "strong," while using reason, communication, and the higher brain functions of evolved homo sapiens is "weak," then you are indeed in the wrong time period. feel free to borrow my time machine; i recommend the Bronze Age for most over-aggressive, uncontrolled overgrown toddlers.

I do agree with you on the "maturity level" of our hero "Enod" (who couldn't seem to get the "Endoscopia" pun to work for him/her).

I don't agree with you on the "murderous rampage" part, of course. :)

The terrorists don't use their higher brain functions for anything other than their terrorist cause.

No nation uses it's "higher brain functions" for anything but it's own self interest.

Action follows self interest. Altruism is an illusion. "Enlightened self interest" is the best we can hope for, because nature, and man, doesn't use altruism in practice,.. ever.

Action follows self interest. Altruism is an illusion. "Enlightened self interest" is the best we can hope for, because nature, and man, doesn't use altruism in practice,.. ever.

Oh, is that a Laz Long quote?

How about a world where we return to evolution, and survival of the fittest instead of slowly breeding our population into the ground. Give up on the Racism/sexism issue so no one has anything to bitch about. Oh, and treat people with honestly and forthrightness, to help ensure an equality that most people on this thread feels is necessary.

No one is equal. Everyone has traits which but them above others, and flaws which put others above them. Deal with your faults, take advantage of your strenchs. Conquer the world.

Oh, is that a Laz Long quote?

How about a world where we return to evolution, and survival of the fittest instead of slowly breeding our population into the ground. Give up on the Racism/sexism issue so no one has anything to bitch about. Oh, and treat people with honestly and forthrightness, to help ensure an equality that most people on this thread feels is necessary.

No one is equal. Everyone has traits which but them above others, and flaws which put others above them. Deal with your faults, take advantage of your strenchs. Conquer the world.

OK, I may be misunderstanding here, but are you basically suggesting that anyone with disabilities is killed at birth? There is a name for people like that.

BTW - I think that everyone has a bit of a downer on previous eras. Let's remember that technological advancement is not the same as social or moral advancement. The people of the Middle Ages or so-called Dark Ages were just as moral as us, within their own societal norms. I can't believe that Enodscopia would have fitted in there either; they still killed murderers in Saxon England or pre-Columbian America. They often had a narrower definition of people who mattered, but then they didn't have the same degree of contact with other people and opinions that we do. Arguably we have far less excuse because we ought to know better.
Anyway, within settled, relatively peaceful areas, most people just got by, as they do today. Within frontier areas, where law and order breaks down, things get messy. But that is true of every frontier in every age, whether it is the Viking conquest of Europe, the Wild West, or modern day Sudan.

Its not called civilization, its called political correctness. It blows.

A good war, invasion, or plague, keeps the population in check, and keeps eveyone on their toes.

Try and come to my house and pillage, I believe, in the viking fashion of dealing with enemies.

Unmercifull response. Kill as many as you can before you die. What you have, hold. And protect.

Why is it as the world goes through time that people just turn into bigger and bigger cry baby whining wimps. If we would have acted as they acted in the 1600s and terrorist hit the WTC towers, America would have went and burned, raised and killed everyone who was suspected of even knowing about the attack. Another thing is in that time very few people cared about people they didn't know, now many people feel sorry for people in Africa and other screwed up places and wants to give welfare and foreign aid. And what happened to a strong sense of patriotism, now it seems that people love other countries just as much as they love their own. Anyone think I might have been born in the wrong time period.


"America would have went and burned, raised and killed everyone who was suspected of even knowing about the attack."

Is that the kind of America that you want?

"Another thing is in that time very few people cared about people they didn't know"

Now if I go back through your posts, will I find anything remotely looking like any kind of concern for the Iraqi people under Saddam Hussein?

Also, I have noticed quite a few posts by your fellow Americans, about not caring for their fellow Americans?