NationStates Jolt Archive

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

Not surprised.

I wish I could remember the book or author. But stuff I remember.

Chase Manhatten Bank did a great deal of Nazi banking through the war.

Ford supposedly referbed the trucking division after the fall of France.

The oil companies indirectly sold oil to the Japanese throughout the war.

One of the Steel companies was dealing with Japan in the war.

Profit does not know patriotism.

PS: Like I said I can't remember the source so keep a sceptical eye; especially when it involves my memory! ;)

Prescott BUsh, W's grandfather, profited from WWII

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the US economy as a whole improved dramatically during WWII: thus if we assume fair distribution of the benefits (yeah, right) then all those alive in the US at the time and born into it since profited from WWII.

OK, clarification, Prescott profited from the German side of the war.

Other responses:

Henry Ford was a supporter of the facists, as was Charles Lindburgh.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the US economy as a whole improved dramatically during WWII: thus if we assume fair distribution of the benefits (yeah, right) then all those alive in the US at the time and born into it since profited from WWII.
Dude, read the article.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the US economy as a whole improved dramatically during WWII: thus if we assume fair distribution of the benefits (yeah, right) then all those alive in the US at the time and born into it since profited from WWII.

Are you defending Prescott Bush?

Are you defending Prescott Bush?
I just don't think he read the article....

I use The Guardian for toilet paper

Are you defending Prescott Bush?

A persons argument should never be judged based on what side they're supporting, but by what their argument entails. Ie, it's content and how well it's laid out. If you just dismiss someone cause they go against you, then you're just being an asshole.

Prescott did make money off of the war, as did many people. Heck Joe Kennedy made his fortune breaking the law as well. His actions probably caused quite a few gangland murders. This is ancient history, not too many people around back then are here today, so it's not much of a big deal.

Prescott did make money off of the war, as did many people. Heck Joe Kennedy made his fortune breaking the law as well. His actions probably caused quite a few gangland murders. This is ancient history, not too many people around back then are here today, so it's not much of a big deal.

It does not say "might have" or "could have" or 'PROBABLY CAUSED'.

Prescott Bush actually was doing business with the Nazis when there was a trade embargo. It WAS a big deal. You are just too young to remember it, and no one thought to put it in the history books because they didn't realize it's future implications.

And are you implying, with your "not much of a big deal" statement that anything is justifiable for profit?

Read the articles and google to read more articles. Prescott Bush was supplying labor for the mines at Auschwitz. Read about Auschwitz. The 'cheap labor' that PB provided to the Nazis to mine metal to make guns came from the concentration camp. He made his money by providing slave labor.

Halliburton, a not so distant cousin in war profiteering ideals...

Enron, the bamboozle economic theory: take the money and run, sounds kinda like the Savings and Loan scandal, oops more Bush brothers.

Iran-Contra. Look up who was convicted in that scheme, and compare it to a current White House Staff list.

If you believe this is business as usual in America, then i say you are a criminal and a traitor, sir!

Who the hell cares what Bush's grandfather did? How does this relate to Bush himself and how does it matter to the current election? Why would anyone care about this?

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Because when you add up all the scams that the Bush family has been involved in, it shows a pattern of disregard for the law, disregard for the average american, corruption, entitlement, and cronyism.

If you hired a contractor to put a roof on your house, and i said, HEY, I know that company, they have been charged several times for scamming homeowners. The grandfather was a criminal, the brothers are a criminals, their friends are convicted criminals, and it looks like they are trying the same scam on you!"

And then i showed you their mug shots. Wouldnt you at least want to know more?

IBM also did a great deal of business with the 3rd reich troughout the whole war. Using it's German daughter Hollerith. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Nazi Germany and then Nazi Europe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor. And the machines were not sold, they were leased to the 3rd reich. And I believe that Remington sold mucho guns and rifles to the SA.

Hey, I know!

WHO CARES!!!

Are you defending Prescott Bush?

No, and yes, Ossipee, I did read the article. I was just pointing out the fact that unlike all other Allied powers the US was the only nation to have benefitted economically as a whole from WWII. That's all - in the US war is good for business, whether you are dealing with the foreign governments or corporations or those of the US itself - witness the actions of GWB. I didn't comment on the content of the article itself because I thought it was mostly irrelevant to any current political debate concerning Bush - are we responsible for the actions of our grandfathers? The fact that my opinion of GWB is not adversely affected by these revelations may have something to do with the fact that I already have no respect for the man.

IBM also did a great deal of business with the 3rd reich troughout the whole war. Using it's German daughter Hollerith. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Nazi Germany and then Nazi Europe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor.

Throughout the war? Impossible. The Germans asked for some of IBM's census equipment, so what?

In the beginning of WWII the US Government incorporated all IBM-facilities in the production of equipment for the war machine. IBM got a nominal one percent profit, which it used for a fund for widows and orphans war victims. I might also add that a one percent NOMINAL profit does not even make up for losses due to inflation.

Prescott did make money off of the war, as did many people. Heck Joe Kennedy made his fortune breaking the law as well. His actions probably caused quite a few gangland murders. This is ancient history, not too many people around back then are here today, so it's not much of a big deal.

Joe Kennedy made his money from moonshine, I don't think you can compare a guy making money from moonshine and Prescott Bush who helped Hitler. Don't blame the news paper that printed this well known fact.

Joe Kennedy made his money from moonshine, I don't think you can compare a guy making money from moonshine and Prescott Bush who helped Hitler. Don't blame the news paper that printed this well known fact.

You can compare the two as both families money is dripping with blood. Sure, gangsters from the 20's weren't Hitler, but they were still evil thugs. Joesph wasn't a moonshiner, he was an importer of alcohol from Canada and Europe.

You can compare the two as both families money is dripping with blood. Sure, gangsters from the 20's weren't Hitler, but they were still evil thugs. Joesph wasn't a moonshiner, he was an importer of alcohol from Canada and Europe.

Ok, that's fair enough.. however there is still a level of degree. I think what Prescott Bush did was worse. I suppose it depends on your point of view. I just don't think or believe the two are quite the same. But meh, that's just my own personal opinion.

Who the hell cares what Bush's grandfather did? How does this relate to Bush himself and how does it matter to the current election? Why would anyone care about this?

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Exactly! It's another troll put forth by the desperate democrats who can no
longer run on thier failed socialist policies. They're like monkies who fling poo, trying to see if something, ANYTHING might stick. They're out of issues, they're desperate and thier actions show it. Now they're resurrecting Howard "The Scream Queen" Dean to attempt to "Let every (Read here "Felon") vote count. Pathetic! Go back to what you do best, trying to scare the hell out of old people and minorities. :gundge:

Joe Kennedy made his money from moonshine, I don't think you can compare a guy making money from moonshine and Prescott Bush who helped Hitler. Don't blame the news paper that printed this well known fact.

1 - Joe Kennedy is a well known Nazi sympathizer
2 - It is not known yet what P. Bush did/knew
3 - The Guardian is hardly a reliable/respected source

You can compare the two as both families money is dripping with blood. Sure, gangsters from the 20's weren't Hitler, but they were still evil thugs. Joesph wasn't a moonshiner, he was an importer of alcohol from Canada and Europe.

Although I got no problems with people making money off liquor back then...government oppression.