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What do you think about the beheadings of the 3 men who were kidnapped and beheaded last week, and what do you think should be done about it?

I think we should find the assailants and drown them in pig's blood, then remove their head and sew it onto a pig's body, wrap the whole mess up in pigskin, and bury it in an unmarked grave. Videotape the whole thing and send it to Al Jazeera.

No 72 virgins for you!

I have some spare duct tape...

I saw the videos of Jack Hensley and Eugene Armstrong this weekend and it was the worst thing i have ever seen. I have a strong stomach and love horror flicks, but this was unimaginable. I simply cant believe the savage manner in which they were beheaded. It wasnt quick with a big ax like in Braveheart. God have mercy on their souls and their families.

I think we should find the assailants and drown them in pig's blood, then remove their head and sew it onto a pig's body, wrap the whole mess up in pigskin, and bury it in an unmarked grave. Videotape the whole thing and send it to Al Jazeera.

No 72 virgins for you!

It's a total mystery to me why anyone would ever want to be Muslim. There I just said it! I'm probably going to catch some hate for that but...

It's a total mystery to me why anyone would ever want to be Muslim. There I just said it! I'm probably going to catch some hate for that but...
I think most see it as just a hobby gotten out of hand

2 have been beheaded, not 3. At time of this posting, the British hostage is believed to be still alive, the two Americans are not.

Did anyone see the video where he pleaded to Blair to save him?

Blair is coming across as the uncompassionate, uncaring, power mad sod that he is.

The British hostage's brother said that Blair had given his brother the kiss of death by staying silent, and has called for him to resign

It's a total mystery to me why anyone would ever want to be Muslim. There I just said it! I'm probably going to catch some hate for that but...


If that is an example of the Muslim pracitces, then I agree with you.

2 have been beheaded, not 3. At time of this posting, the British hostage is believed to be still alive, the two Americans are not.

Did anyone see the video where he pleaded to Blair to save him?

Blair is coming across as the uncompassionate, uncaring, power mad sod that he is.

The British hostage's brother said that Blair had given his brother the kiss of death by staying silent, and has called for him to resign


Sorry- I was including the man whose last name is Berg. I should have clarified. I hope they can save the British man at least.

If that is an example of the Muslim pracitces, then I agree with you.

That's the thing though, it's not really Muslim practices. It's the extremists that ruin it for everybody. The KKK make people hate conservatives, Greenpeace makes people hate Liberals, and Mormons make people hate Mormons. It's all the same.

2 have been beheaded, not 3. At time of this posting, the British hostage is believed to be still alive, the two Americans are not.

Did anyone see the video where he pleaded to Blair to save him?

Blair is coming across as the uncompassionate, uncaring, power mad sod that he is.

The British hostage's brother said that Blair had given his brother the kiss of death by staying silent, and has called for him to resign

While it is abhorrent and disgusting what has happened to all of the killed hostages, there is/was nothing we could do other than find them before the deadline and try to rescue them. Caving into the demands of the terrorists will only ensure that more innocents will be killed. They must be made to learn that those tactics produce no tangible results, and hopefully only then will they stop.

That's the thing though, it's not really Muslim practices. It's the extremists that ruin it for everybody. The KKK make people hate conservatives, Greenpeace makes people hate Liberals, and Mormons make people hate Mormons. It's all the same.


LoL at the mormon comment. Sorry to any mormons but that was funny. Youre right ....a better classification for those men are "sick psycho savages".

You cant say you hate all muslims on the basis of just a few extremists. That'd be like saying Americans are retarded because a few are. And Blair can't comply with the demands, if he did, more and more people would be taken hostage, with the captors thinking they can get something out of it. But i sincerely hope the captors will stop being complete jack asses and let the poor man out, they're not making any point except how phsyco they really are. Bastards.

:mp5: :sniper:
Terrorist Sniper

As much as I hope they don't kidnap anymore people, and as I much as I would like the English man to see his family again, for some reason, I don't see it happening.

These terrorists have a mission that, to them, is a holy one. The only way they know they can be heard is through the very methods they are using. To them it is working, even if it isn't in the big picture. But the sad thing is, they are still getting attention from the public eye. The best thing to do would be for the media to just get the hell out of things.

They're like little kids. Once you stop paying attention to them, they'll get really bad for 5 or 6 minutes but then they'll stop crying about it.

As much as I hope they don't kidnap anymore people, and as I much as I would like the English man to see his family again, for some reason, I don't see it happening.

These terrorists have a mission that, to them, is a holy one. The only way they know they can be heard is through the very methods they are using. To them it is working, even if it isn't in the big picture. But the sad thing is, they are still getting attention from the public eye. The best thing to do would be for the media to just get the hell out of things.

They're like little kids. Once you stop paying attention to them, they'll get really bad for 5 or 6 minutes but then they'll stop crying about it.

Much as I'd like to believe that, I somehow doubt it. They'll just find a bigger better way of getting your attention, like crashing planes into skyscrapers.

Their methods do work - several states have pulled troops and/or civilians out of Iraq after getting people kidnapped and/or beheaded. The US pulled out of Lebanon and Somalia after getting enough people killed, and now it is looking for an exit strategy from Iraq. In what way are they not winning?

While it is abhorrent and disgusting what has happened to all of the killed hostages, there is/was nothing we could do other than find them before the deadline and try to rescue them. Caving into the demands of the terrorists will only ensure that more innocents will be killed. They must be made to learn that those tactics produce no tangible results, and hopefully only then will they stop.

I don't think they will stop, the taking of hostages is also partially a game to be played with the hearts and minds of citizens from the same country a hostage is, to see what the reaction of citizens are, when they see a fellow citizen kidnapped. A reaction can go two ways: citizens rally around the leader, or voice their anger at the leader, for the mess he has got the country in. Considering Blair's arrogance in following Bush's lead for war, and his uncaring reaction to the hostage taking, I think the voices of dissent will grow.

Caving in may lead to more innocents being killed, but there is a difference between caving in and negotiating, and certainly not attempting negotiating will lead to deaths anyway, certainly for the British hostage, unless the captors decide to just let him go.

As much as I hope they don't kidnap anymore people, and as I much as I would like the English man to see his family again, for some reason, I don't see it happening.

These terrorists have a mission that, to them, is a holy one. The only way they know they can be heard is through the very methods they are using. To them it is working, even if it isn't in the big picture. But the sad thing is, they are still getting attention from the public eye. The best thing to do would be for the media to just get the hell out of things.

They're like little kids. Once you stop paying attention to them, they'll get really bad for 5 or 6 minutes but then they'll stop crying about it.

I dont think they will ever stop. They would kill everyone they could get their hands on who doesnt believe they way they do. The media -they could care less about them. Did you see those videos? Anyone who have that much hatred and determination to inflict pain and suffering on innocent people, wont just up and stop. They must be dealt with in the only manner in which they understand.....but America willl never do that so we will never inflict fear upon them.

Wishful thinking...

It's always got the best of me.

They must be dealt with in the only manner in which they understand.....but America willl never do that so we will never inflict fear upon them.

Excuse me?
You won't make them scared, just invade and occupy their country, drop bombs all over the place and impose a government on them that they don't want. Sounds fair.

Excuse me?
You won't make them scared, just invade and occupy their country, drop bombs all over the place and impose a government on them that they don't want. Sounds fair.


So that justifies sawing innocent people's heads off with a steak knife?? They dont seem too afraid to me. They are laughing at us.

Excuse me?
You won't make them scared, just invade and occupy their country, drop bombs all over the place and impose a government on them that they don't want. Sounds fair.

That we should abandon over 20 million people because of 50-100,000 militants?

The minute we stop fighting them in Iraq, we'll be fighting them in the US and Europe!

So that justifies sawing innocent people's heads off with a steak knife?? They dont seem too afraid to me. They are laughing at us.
As do I

HAHAHAHA! there

Do unto others as they do unto you.

10 times over with a blunt blade and a shotgun.

Jovial

Things are going to be ugly if we went into Iraq or not. However, it doesn't seem like we're winning the fight against Terror. It seems that people are only fearing them more and more.

That we should abandon over 20 million people because of 50-100,000 militants?

The minute we stop fighting them in Iraq, we'll be fighting them in the US and Europe!

There's always that pesky 100,000 that spoil it for the rest, isn't there?

I can't agree with Shizensky. There are more people out there now who feel aggrieved at the US than there were before the Iraq war. The problem of international terrorism has been made far worse, in exchange for removing a dictator who, while certainly not a nice man, was no particular threat. If you want to win the war on terror, you need there to be less terrorists after your action than there were before it. That is why Afghanistan was a positive move, and Iraq a negative one.

Even thou I am sure violence is the way that the families of the victims what to react. I am sure violence is the way most people feel like reacting to these murders. I am sure violence is the way that our instincts want us to react. There is a moral high road that we need to follow. This high road is not one that is easy as we see the people, that we know and love are murdered. The high road sounds like it's crap to some, and heaven to others.

How we need to react is simple, we need to react with love. Love for those that have past, love for those that need it to understand that what they are doing is wrong. Violence only begets Violence, Violence is not the way to end these murders, love is the way. I know it’s hard to see that the high road is the way. Anything that is right to do, or worth doing is always hard. It’s not hard to pull a trigger any two year can do it. That has been proven many times over, with children’s deaths because their parents can’t take the time to lock their guns. So see we must take the high road, the road less traveled, the road of none violence.

I am not sure, how to make the world, and the terrorists understand that love is the way. That Violence only closes people’s minds, to your cause. At least it closes the minds of those that you are trying to show your way is right. All people have the right, to have their causes heard; all people should have the right to live their lives in peace. All people should have the right to their religion, and all people should have the right to live their lives with out pain, suffering, and Violence. As I end this post, I realize how many of you might react and that is ok. Because you have a right to have your voice heard.

BTW no I’m not Christian but does that really matter.

-B





I think we should find the assailants and drown them in pig's blood, then remove their head and sew it onto a pig's body, wrap the whole mess up in pigskin, and bury it in an unmarked grave. Videotape the whole thing and send it to Al Jazeera.

No 72 virgins for you!

There's always that pesky 100,000 that spoil it for the rest, isn't there?

I can't agree with Shizensky. There are more people out there now who feel aggrieved at the US than there were before the Iraq war. The problem of international terrorism has been made far worse, in exchange for removing a dictator who, while certainly not a nice man, was no particular threat. If you want to win the war on terror, you need there to be less terrorists after your action than there were before it. That is why Afghanistan was a positive move, and Iraq a negative one.

I've never supported this war. I was simply trying to state that terrorism would exist, had we gone into Iraq or not. I will agree with you however that the cases have gotten much worse. Heads weren't rolling, at least not that I'm aware of.

And I'll also agree with you when you say Afghanistan was a good idea and Iraq was not. I think that since we're going around taking dumb evil bastards out of their countries, we should take the one out of the Oval Office as well.

I've never supported this war. I was simply trying to state that terrorism would exist, had we gone into Iraq or not. I will agree with you however that the cases have gotten much worse. Heads weren't rolling, at least not that I'm aware of.

And I'll also agree with you when you say Afghanistan was a good idea and Iraq was not. I think that since we're going around taking dumb evil bastards out of their countries, we should take the one out of the Oval Office as well.

hehe... puppet post :rolleyes:

Even thou I am sure violence is the way that the families of the victims what to react. I am sure violence is the way most people feel like reacting to these murders. I am sure violence is the way that our instincts want us to react. There is a moral high road that we need to follow. This high road is not one that is easy as we see the people, that we know and love are murdered. The high road sounds like it's crap to some, and heaven to others.

How we need to react is simple, we need to react with love. Love for those that have past, love for those that need it to understand that what they are doing is wrong. Violence only begets Violence, Violence is not the way to end these murders, love is the way. I know it’s hard to see that the high road is the way. Anything that is right to do, or worth doing is always hard. It’s not hard to pull a trigger any two year can do it. That has been proven many times over, with children’s deaths because their parents can’t take the time to lock their guns. So see we must take the high road, the road less traveled, the road of none violence.

I am not sure, how to make the world, and the terrorists understand that love is the way. That Violence only closes people’s minds, to your cause. At least it closes the minds of those that you are trying to show your way is right. All people have the right, to have their causes heard; all people should have the right to live their lives in peace. All people should have the right to their religion, and all people should have the right to live their lives with out pain, suffering, and Violence. As I end this post, I realize how many of you might react and that is ok. Because you have a right to have your voice heard.

BTW no I’m not Christian but does that really matter.

-B


I appreciate your views and think you should be commended on your peaceful outlook, but I think you'll get your head severed off if you try to show these murderers any love.

I appreciate your views and think you should be commended on your peaceful outlook, but I think you'll get your head severed off if you try to show these murderers any love.

I also think that by doing the thing with the pigs that the guy suggested earlier, you'll create several million more fanatics. You don't have to love them, but at least try to understand them.

Iraq I admit is now a no-win situation.

I also think that by doing the thing with the pigs that the guy suggested earlier, you'll create several million more fanatics. You don't have to love them, but at least try to understand them.

Iraq I admit is now a no-win situation.


let me ask you....have you seen the video of the death of Eugene Armstrong ? If not, search for it, watch it ands then tell me to try and understand that. NO F-ing way.

let me ask you....have you seen the video of the death of Eugene Armstrong ? If not, search for it, watch it ands then tell me to try and understand that. NO F-ing way.

As I have been at great pains to point out in other threads, these people are NOT "just like us!"

"Those two French journalists are still missing in Iraq, where they're being held by still another band of terrorists. ...[T]he French have done their best to undermine coalition efforts in Iraq. So why would these terrorists do anything to embarrass France? Even to ask such a question is to misunderstand the nature of terrorism. It is to assume that terrorists need a reason to terrorize. If terrorists were rational, of course French citizens would be immune to such attacks. Few countries were as supportive of Saddam Hussein's regime as France. It was one of Saddam Hussein's major trading partners, money lenders, and arms suppliers, even building him a nuclear reactor -- the one the Israelis took out in 1981. French officials helped undermine the economic sanctions against Saddam's regime, and they played a leading role in the United Nations' oil-for-food scam. Even after that regime was toppled and Saddam himself jailed, the French have held back from the coalition trying to build a stable, democratic Iraq. What could these kidnappers demand that the French have not freely given them?" --Paul Greenberg

While it may sound absolutely rediculous, I would force the men who have doen the be-heading to sit in front of a television set a watch sesame street, polka-dot door, barney, teletubies, all of the things that teach children how to be nice to each other. I would make them sit there for days. As this was happening I would send in people of every "race", cultural group or ethinicity that the beheaders dislike and have these poeple hug and kis them. I would dothis until either the men went crazy, or until whatever evil-bullshit cult-like stuff that was programmed into their heads came undone. I don't think that violent revenge on people teaches lessons, it only serves to escalate the hate. Come on people, lets get smarter then them.

One thing that I've heard suggested, and I kinda like it....

When they behead that first guy, I think we should've grabbed one of those prisoners they wanted, taken her to court for capital punishment, executed her, videotaped it, sent it back to them, and said, "Okay, tell us, who else do you want released?"

That would shut them right up, I bet.

One thing that I've heard suggested, and I kinda like it....

When they behead that first guy, I think we should've grabbed one of those prisoners they wanted, taken her to court for capital punishment, executed her, videotaped it, sent it back to them, and said, "Okay, tell us, who else do you want released?"

That would shut them right up, I bet.

Actually, that would probably be one of the few things you could do to make them back off. They would see that as a sign of strength. Weakness only encourages them to press even harder.

absolutely.....no one stands up to them. if we fought fire with fire-just once even...they might be fearful and think "uh oh- they are finally sick of our shit". you cant argue with that because no ones ever tried it to see.

One thing that I've heard suggested, and I kinda like it....

When they behead that first guy, I think we should've grabbed one of those prisoners they wanted, taken her to court for capital punishment, executed her, videotaped it, sent it back to them, and said, "Okay, tell us, who else do you want released?"

That would shut them right up, I bet.

No, it would give them martyrs for their cause.


They see dying for the cause to be a GOOD thing. Killing them ISN'T GOING TO CUT IT.

Yeah, that's what I think. I don't see what's wrong with it. You can say it's "lowering us to their level," but I think we're significantly higher than them, even if we do do it. We're taking these women that are scum of the earth anyway, and executing them like they would be in a court of law. They're taking random innocent civilians off the streets, who may even be opposed to the war in Iraq!

When somebody gets down in the mud to fight, you gotta get down in there and fight with 'em!

That's how the British lost the Revolutionary War; how do you know that's not what's gonna happen here?

No, it would give them martyrs for their cause.


They see dying for the cause to be a GOOD thing. Killing them ISN'T GOING TO CUT IT.

What do you think they want those women released for? Because they love them and want them back? No. Those women were scientists for biological warfare. They don't care about their lives, they care about their skills. Why would they want them released if they're being "martyrs for the cause?"

That's the thing though, it's not really Muslim practices. It's the extremists that ruin it for everybody. The KKK make people hate conservatives, Greenpeace makes people hate Liberals, and Mormons make people hate Mormons. It's all the same.
The Mormon comment has no sense. Could you add extremist ones or something infront of it or you just a religionist (racism to certain religions).

When somebody gets down in the mud to fight, you gotta get down in there and fight with 'em!
Fight fire with fire! That sure puts fire out fast..wait no that doesn't work...
"Never argue with a moron, there will bring you down to their level and beat you with their expereince." True words that you should consider and they fit your comment.

Sigh, when you fight the enemy, becareful you don't become them. When you look into the abbyss, sometimes the abbyss looks back!

Sigh, when you fight the enemy, becareful you don't become them. When you look into the abbyss, sometimes the abbyss looks back!

Hey, we've got to show them we're not afraid to use their own tactics against them. It will save civilian lives, too, because they know it won't work, and they'll just work against themselves.

I think that next time they take one of our allies, we need to pick a city in Iraq and go door to door and kill everyone, men, women, and kids. I bet they will stop then. :sniper:

Terrorists are a bunch of pansies, they don't know how to fight. All they know how to do is kill innocent, unarmed, not dangerous people. If they tried to pick up somebody dangerous, they would pretty much get thier butts kicked. A bunch of skinny nerds with ak-47s just need a nice punch in the face and then they are done. Anyone who thinks that I should automatically give up just because he points a gun at me, is pretty much weak in fighting. Just keep a nice long knife with you. Act like you are giving up, then stab one in a vital area and use his body as a shield. Take his ak 47 (which is going to be really easy to do) and mow down the rest of them. You will take heavy damage and will probably die afterwards, but which is better? Die like a dog, or die like a man? But that's right, I have to be unarmed, undangerous, innocent, and afraid of death don't I?

There's always that pesky 100,000 that spoil it for the rest, isn't there?

I can't agree with Shizensky. There are more people out there now who feel aggrieved at the US than there were before the Iraq war. The problem of international terrorism has been made far worse, in exchange for removing a dictator who, while certainly not a nice man, was no particular threat. If you want to win the war on terror, you need there to be less terrorists after your action than there were before it. That is why Afghanistan was a positive move, and Iraq a negative one.

Generally, I agree with you. I disagree that Iraq was a negative one. I *do* think it was done at the wrong time, tho. It'd have been better to delay it a year or two, stir the diplomacy pot up a bit. That, and make sure we were stable if Afghanistan. But Iraq was going to implode anyway -- we just rushed things.
If we weren't in Iraq right now, we might have more leverage against Iran & N. Korea. But then again, maybe Libya wouldn't have budged..

I think that next time they take one of our allies, we need to pick a city in Iraq and go door to door and kill everyone, men, women, and kids. I bet they will stop then. :sniper:

Just like it did in the Nam, huh?

Go Marines!! :rolleyes:

There's always that pesky 100,000 that spoil it for the rest, isn't there?



that still is only half a percent. you are turning your back on 99.5% of the iraq population, where is your sence of morality?

I watched the Eugene Armstrong video and I have to say.. it was shocking. But it is no different than atrocities against humans commited worldwide - even by the US. It just was publicly shown on the internet and the method of the beheading was rather cruel. The knowledge that this human was real and that it was not "just a horror movie" makes it rather gruesome too. What would have happened if the women had been released? No idea. Unless terrorists demand undoable things, humans should be saved, if the demand is reasonable enough. The hard stance on terrorist demands has always resulted in the death of the abductees. Using the slippery slope argument here works both ways. They may stop eventually or they may demand more and more.

What do you think about the beheadings of the 3 men who were kidnapped and beheaded last week, and what do you think should be done about it?

It's disgusting, and the individuals responsible need to die so that they can't do this to anybody else.

Even animals are generally given more respect than the WAY in which these people are beheaded, and the fact that these people can do this without any kind of empathy AT ALL shows that they cannot be allowed to survive. To be THAT lacking in empathy is dangerously close to inhuman. (I am not saying they ARE NOT human, but I consider empathy a key human trait, and to lack it is to sacrifice a great part of the human identity.)

Gigatron...I disagree about negotiating with terrorists. As horrible as this way of death is, I would not want someone to kowtow to terrorists to get my release. I'd rather die first...even that way. :-/

"What do you think about the beheadings?"

uh...that it was a very bad thing. What else is there to talk about? :confused:

War is hell.

I think that next time they take one of our allies, we need to pick a city in Iraq and go door to door and kill everyone, men, women, and kids. I bet they will stop then.

LMFAO. simply, LMFAO.

Or maybe...they will just get more pissed off?

Eh, why do I bother?

Gigatron...I disagree about negotiating with terrorists. As horrible as this way of death is, I would not want someone to kowtow to terrorists to get my release. I'd rather die first...even that way. :-/
It's quite funny seeing you claim this. You surely have not yet been in the situation have you? Apparently you have fallen for the slippery slope argument ;)

It's quite funny seeing you claim this. You surely have not yet been in the situation have you? Apparently you have fallen for the slippery slope argument ;)

Of course I have not been in the situation, and am trying to conjecture the best that I can based on what I know about myself. That won't be a perfect, 100% statement, in that you are right, but I do think what I have said is likely true.

I honestly do not feel I could live with myself if I knew my life had been bought by conceding to terrorists. (I would not commit suicide afterwards, but I know I would carry that guilt with me every day that I lived.) That concession would almost certainly mean even more pain to others--and that even greater pain than what I alone would've suffered would've been caused by my continuing to live.

There's no doubt in my mind that facing death would be horrible, and terrifying. Of course I would be looking to try to escape, and I would be hoping for a miraculous rescue. But I see certain principles as more valuable than my life...and if keeping them meant submitting to death, I feel I would most likely do that.

"Those two French journalists are still missing in Iraq, where they're being held by still another band of terrorists. ...[T]he French have done their best to undermine coalition efforts in Iraq. So why would these terrorists do anything to embarrass France? Even to ask such a question is to misunderstand the nature of terrorism. It is to assume that terrorists need a reason to terrorize. If terrorists were rational, of course French citizens would be immune to such attacks. Few countries were as supportive of Saddam Hussein's regime as France. It was one of Saddam Hussein's major trading partners, money lenders, and arms suppliers, even building him a nuclear reactor -- the one the Israelis took out in 1981. French officials helped undermine the economic sanctions against Saddam's regime, and they played a leading role in the United Nations' oil-for-food scam. Even after that regime was toppled and Saddam himself jailed, the French have held back from the coalition trying to build a stable, democratic Iraq. What could these kidnappers demand that the French have not freely given them?" --Paul Greenberg
Responding to the quote in the quote. The terrorists wanted France to abandon the law in which headscarfs and other religious signs were not allowed in schools. Nothing else.

One thing that I've heard suggested, and I kinda like it....

When they behead that first guy, I think we should've grabbed one of those prisoners they wanted, taken her to court for capital punishment, executed her, videotaped it, sent it back to them, and said, "Okay, tell us, who else do you want released?"

That would shut them right up, I bet.

Iraq leaders want to free quite many of those prisoners themselves, as they haven't done anything illegal and they've been kept as prisoners without any charges. But Americans won't let them go. And you say they should be executed? Can't you see you are just as bad and evil and inhuman yourself?
Of course the actions these terrorists do are incredible but there are no saints in this war. Both sides kill civilians and at this point, the US has been much more succesful doing it.

What do you think about the beheadings of the 3 men who were kidnapped and beheaded last week, and what do you think should be done about it?

In uncivilized countries that still use the death penalty there have been different types of ways to kill people who they see as criminals. It has for thousand of years been common practice in the Middle East to behead people who they see as criminals for different offences, same as they use flogging as a punishment and also being stoned to death. In other countries people in the past have been hung, also beheaded , electric chair, firing squad, gas chamber. Killing people even when seen of as criminals is indeed a nasty business and a civilized soceity of course would never use death to punish people, sadly there are many countries that do.

I know, people are going to say "But these were innocent people" well to us they were. However, to the people doing it , they are any thing but innocent. They are helping the occupying forces, which under the rules of war they actually are fair game.

Now, what is a war crime is you're not allowed to kidnap people under the rules of war. Meaning you can't abduct people and give demands, however both sides have already done this. We see the Iraqi fighters doing it almost daily now. At the begining of the war we seen the United States kidnapping family members of Saddam's regime and leaving notes saying "Turn yourself in if you want your family released" again, this is also against the Conventions of war. I think all rules have basically been thrown out for this war and yes, it's very, very sad for both sides.

I don't even see why the US even bothered with the whole invading Iraq thing. I'd just opt for dropping a bunch of bombs, preferably nuclear and leveling anything and everything.

People might argue about how this is wrong... So what? War's wrong in itself. When you fight a war you fight to win, you don't fight it because you want to be right and all. Why bother even trying to be 'good' about it?

If you're going to commit a evil and go fight a war you might as well just go all the way. End it quickly, kill every single potential enemy and be done with it. Why would you want to puss out half way leave some terrorists alive and waste everyone's time?

And no I'm not American. :p


Plus another thing I want to point out... As a citizen of the Western world and a non-combat personalle, you definitely know your chances of being kidnapped as a political prisoner over in the Middle East iarepretty high... I think the real question now is... Why the f*ck are you there in the first place?

Is it stupidity? Bravery? Either way these people either knew what they were getting or were too stupid to know... If it was because of courage then I salute them and since they knew the risks already and decided to take it they'll have to suffer the concequences... If they were morons and didn't know what they were getting into... They deserved to die anyways.

The barbaric brutality of the terrorists is disgusting, unaccepable, and unforgiveable.

However, to blame all Muslims for the actions of these fanatics is akin to blaming all Christians for the torture of prisoners of war.

I thought that they found out that all the ppl that they killed were already dead. :confused:

if someone dropped a bomb on my house, and killed all my family, and called them 'collateral'...i'd probably want to hunt down the perpetrators and cut their (and any of their associates) heads off too. Although those hostages were civilians, and so i cannot sympathise with the iraqi executioners in this case.

if someone dropped a bomb on my house, and killed all my family, and called them 'collateral'...i'd probably want to hunt down the perpetrators and cut their (and any of their associates) heads off too. Although those hostages were civilians, and so i cannot sympathise with the iraqi executioners in this case.

Do you see what you just said? Dropping those bombs and killing your family, is their child and their wife also not a civilian who are killed in these bombings?? I think you see where I'm going with this. People argue that it's collateral damage because they didn't target civilians they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. However, if any one is niave enough to believe that when they take in these collateral damages they were not aware they would also been killing innocent civilians.. well.. I have some swamp land in Florida to sell you ;)

Why the fuss abt the beheadings? You have idiots complaining about the 'terrorists', a new catchy media word to describe ppl defending their own country against the No.1 arsehole country in the world (along with the other usual suspects)......

Some bright sparks suggested that the widespread bombing of the country would/have solved it....hmmm...women and child included?? Sick.

Its hard to sit back and read the trash of some 17 yo twit who considers jacking off his dog as entertainment, make even vaguely informed statements.

America, Britain et al know whats coming. Deserved after decades of terrorism on a scale that most tweenie twits couldnt comprehend.

Look up Sept 11 - the REAL Sept 11...

Kill 'em all!

Kill 'em all!

How insightful :rolleyes:

Isn't this the Metallica thread?

how many iraqi people will have to live the rest of their lives without an arm or leg? I think that is more barbaric than death because they live the rest of their lives in pain.
3 beheadings cant hide thousands of lives in pain and deaths done by a war with no justification.

how many iraqi people will have to live the rest of their lives without an arm or leg? I think that is more barbaric than death because they live the rest of their lives in pain.
3 beheadings cant hide thousands of deaths.

You'd rather die than live with pain?

You'd rather die than live with pain?
3 dead <----> 1000s in pain

live tortured? no I would preffer death *sorry for the not clear writing I am doing alot of things at the moment*

Kill 'em all!

God will recognise his own?

live tortured? no I would preffer death *sorry for the not clear writing I am doing alot of things at the moment*

Ah, check. Losing a limb didn't quite equal tortured in my mind. Point taken; comment withheld.

How insightful :rolleyes:

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