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According to a study by the Lovenstein Institute, President Bush has the lowest IQ of all presidents of past 50 years (http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.htm)
I wonder who'll fall for this?

Hidden text works better when hovering your mouse over the link doesn't show it before you enter the topic. :p

Claim: According to a study by the Lovenstein Institute, President Bush has the lowest IQ of all presidents of past 50 years.

Status: False.


Ummmmm....

This goes to show why I think IQ tests are a bunch of crap. Nixon scored a 155 which means he is a genious. I'm sure there are some people out there who would disagree with that statement. (By the way under 50 is seen as mentally retarted and above they 150 is genious) If I remember right Einstein ad about a 160, but don't quote me on that.

That 'study' has been proven to be a total hoax.

And hey, two living braincells would have told you that much by just glancing at the so-called IQ scores.

Im gonna have to agree with ultimate ... because for someone to have a IQ that low.. i doubt anyone would allow them as a pres.

:headbang: :sniper:

This goes to show why I think IQ tests are a bunch of crap. Nixon scored a 155 which means he is a genious. I'm sure there are some people out there who would disagree with that statement. (By the way under 50 is seen as mentally retarted and above they 150 is genious) If I remember right Einstein ad about a 160, but don't quote me on that.


On Einstein...

I don't think they ever did an real IQ test on Einstien, but I just rember that when they did the autopsy, they found that the part of the brain used for mathmatical reasoning was 20% larger than normal (for those who don't understand what that means, the 'average' genius' lobe for mathmatical reasoning is usually only 3-5% larger than normal.)

you don´t need an iq test to tell me that the guy is stupid I´ve heard him talk

Hidden text works better when hovering your mouse over the link doesn't show it before you enter the topic. :p

I still caught a few folks... ; )

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Good bait, yes?

I still caught a few folks... ; )
Honestly, these people aren't that bright... The url has HOAXES in it, and the site linked says HOAX: FALSE in big, red, letters

Just repeating what CSW mentioned that so many of you seem to not get.

Claim: According to a study by the Lovenstein Institute, President Bush has the lowest IQ of all presidents of past 50 years.

Status: False.

This website that you link to is disproving myths and hoaxes.

It is disproving the myth that President Bush has the lowest IQ of all presidents in the past 50 years.

Just because that claim is false, that still doesn't mean that Bush Jr. doesn't have the lowest IQ of any American president in the last 50 years.. LOL :D

you don´t need an iq test to tell me that the guy is stupid I´ve heard him talk
Amen. I wouldn't be surprised if they used Bush Jr.'s actual IQ there.

How would anyone believe that was legitimate? It said Clinton's IQ is 182; that would put him right up there with Jesus. I doubt we've ever had a president with an IQ remotely approaching 182.

The rumor can't be proven, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bush really did have the lowest IQ of any president.

Just because that claim is false, that still doesn't mean that Bush Jr. doesn't have the lowest IQ of any American president in the last 50 years.. LOL :D
Did you read what you wrote?
If the claim that Bush has the lowest IQ of any American president in the last 50 years is false, then it does mean that "Bush Jr. Doesn't have the lowest IQ of any American president in the last 50 years.. LOL :rolleyes:"

well he certainly LOOKS the part..... LOL

well he certainly LOOKS the part..... LOL
Wow, I didnt know there was a reliable method of determining someone's intelligence by how they look. I must have missed all the press surrounding that revelation :rolleyes:

Did you read what you wrote?
If the claim that Bush has the lowest IQ of any American president in the last 50 years is false, then it does mean that "Bush Jr. Doesn't have the lowest IQ of any American president in the last 50 years.. LOL :rolleyes:"
No, Steph got it right. You just got confused.

I find it amusing that The Guardian picked up the story.

that explains the wars he has been in.

This goes to show why I think IQ tests are a bunch of crap. Nixon scored a 155 which means he is a genious. I'm sure there are some people out there who would disagree with that statement. (By the way under 50 is seen as mentally retarted and above they 150 is genious) If I remember right Einstein ad about a 160, but don't quote me on that.


No, thats incorrect.

Over 140 is genuis level IQ.

Under 70 is considered retarded.

Einstein's IQ was well over 200, and could not be accurately measured.

How would anyone believe that was legitimate? It said Clinton's IQ is 182; that would put him right up there with Jesus. I doubt we've ever had a president with an IQ remotely approaching 182.


Actually Clintons IQ IS very close to that number.
The man was a Rhodes Scholar.
If you dont know what that is, look it up.
You have to be VERY intelligent to become one.

That 'study' has been proven to be a total hoax.

And hey, two living braincells would have told you that much by just glancing at the so-called IQ scores.

Or you could be a real genius and actually read the disclaimer ON THE PAGE ITSELF. It's much more fun to get all hot under the collar and thrash it out on the forums.

Why the hell would someone with an IQ as high as 182 waste their time with politics?

How would anyone believe that was legitimate? It said Clinton's IQ is 182; that would put him right up there with Jesus. I doubt we've ever had a president with an IQ remotely approaching 182.

OMFG! I can't stop laughing. :p
Right up there with Jesus? and where do we find data on Jesus' IQ test?
Do tell.

Why the hell would someone with an IQ as high as 182 waste their time with politics?

1.) They're insane.

2.) They're power hungry.

No, thats incorrect.

Over 140 is genuis level IQ.

Under 70 is considered retarded.

Einstein's IQ was well over 200, and could not be accurately measured.
Einstein's IQ has been legitimately estimated as around 160. Notice estimated. He never took an IQ test. They estimate it according to what they did and how they acted.
IQ measurements test everything. So being good in one particular area doesn't necessarily translate into a high IQ score. Idiot Savants are good proof of this. Einstein was brilliant in mathematical reasoning but (like most mathematicians) wasn't too hot in social and verbal skills. Hence his IQ being 'only' 160.
Goethe, on the other hand has been credited as the most brilliant man ever, with an IQ well in excess of 200. This is because he was brilliant at everything.

Nixon scored a 155 which means he is a genious.

Actually Nixon WAS quite intelligent, and if you examine his record, other than the Watergate debacle, he was actually a very effective president.

Actually Nixon WAS quite intelligent, and if you examine his record, other than the Watergate debacle, he was actually a very effective president.
That's like saying that aside from World War II, Hitler was a very effective leader. :p

... actually, I seem to recall hearing that Einstein took an IQ test when he was a child and got something ridiculously low like 35... thus proving how shitty IQ tests are. On the one hand I wouldn't be surprised if Dubya DID have an extremely low IQ and wish the article were true in that regard, but on the other hand, I'm relieved that it's not because that would mean a bunch of stupid politicians top me! I've taken a battering of online IQ tests, and the ones that weren't selling anything have all fallen around 130-35.

According to Dateline, Einstein's IQ was 148.

And for the record, I don't think there has been a recorded instance of someone scoring in the 180+ category (given how the brain of a person with that kind of IQ would be wired, there is a profoundly good evolutionary reason why there wouldn't). Most of the people who attribute such scores to people don't know what in the frapping hell an IQ test is even for, much less how it works.

That's like saying that aside from World War II, Hitler was a very effective leader. :p

Yes, because rigging an election kills so many Jews...

... actually, I seem to recall hearing that Einstein took an IQ test when he was a child and got something ridiculously low like 35... thus proving how shitty IQ tests are. On the one hand I wouldn't be surprised if Dubya DID have an extremely low IQ and wish the article were true in that regard, but on the other hand, I'm relieved that it's not because that would mean a bunch of stupid politicians top me! I've taken a battering of online IQ tests, and the ones that weren't selling anything have all fallen around 130-35.
That's not correct. Einstein wouldn't have gotten a score that low. Below 50 is seriously retarded. What was the case was that his parents and teachers were concerned that he was sub-normal. He wasn't too hot at school and had poor verbal skills. He didn't speak for the first couple of years of his life. All it shows that people who are excellent in one spcific area don't do too well in IQ tests. So if you have above average maths, spatial and verbal skills, you'll get a very good score. But that doesn't mean you'll understand the theory of relativity.
Personally it seems to me that if you want to be outstanding in one area, you need to sacrifice another area. Maybe our brains are limited in the amount of information they can hold. I have excellent maths skills and writing skills but am absolutely hopeless in learning languages or music. As IQ tests mostly these, I always do well in them. My gf is the opposite. She can speak 5 languages fluently (and Japanese a little) and is very musical, but she couldn't add to save herself.
BTW in NZ, they had a 'Test the nation' TV show where they had an IQ test done live with different groups. Blondes got an average IQ of 91 (average is 90 to 110) and Models got 85 (below normal). So next time you make a joke at ther expense, don't worry: It's not stereotyping. It's been proven! :p

Yes, because rigging an election kills so many Jews...
Whoops, I forgot. Facetiousness in lost on Americans.

How would anyone believe that was legitimate? It said Clinton's IQ is 182; that would put him right up there with Jesus. I doubt we've ever had a president with an IQ remotely approaching 182.

I doubt Jesus had a high IQ.

I doubt Jesus had a high IQ.
Well, if you believe, as I do, that Jesus was the son of God then IQ tests would simply not be capable of measuring intellect in the divine.

According to Dateline, Einstein's IQ was 148.

And for the record, I don't think there has been a recorded instance of someone scoring in the 180+ category (given how the brain of a person with that kind of IQ would be wired, there is a profoundly good evolutionary reason why there wouldn't). Most of the people who attribute such scores to people don't know what in the frapping hell an IQ test is even for, much less how it works.

Steven Hawking is reported to have an IQ of 180-200+.

I doubt Jesus had a high IQ.

your correct, the son of an all knowing god could not have possibly been brilliant.

oh, btw, I;m agnostic. Even if I was a religious man, I guess I would be Hindu. Then again, I like steak so that might cause some problems.

Einstein's IQ has been legitimately estimated as around 160. Notice estimated. He never took an IQ test. They estimate it according to what they did and how they acted.
IQ measurements test everything. So being good in one particular area doesn't necessarily translate into a high IQ score. Idiot Savants are good proof of this. Einstein was brilliant in mathematical reasoning but (like most mathematicians) wasn't too hot in social and verbal skills. Hence his IQ being 'only' 160.
Goethe, on the other hand has been credited as the most brilliant man ever, with an IQ well in excess of 200. This is because he was brilliant at everything.


I find that impossible to believe.
I myself have an IQ of 140, and frankly I cant even begin to comprehend on the same level as Einstein.
All the material I personally have read agreed that his IQ couldnt really be measured.
So, I guess Im not sure what to believe.

I find that impossible to believe.
I myself have an IQ of 140, and frankly I cant even begin to comprehend on the same level as Einstein.
All the material I personally have read agreed that his IQ couldnt really be measured.
So, I guess Im not sure what to believe.
That's what my other post was about: IQ tests everything, so a reasonably high IQ (like yours) probably means your above average in verbal, spatial, reasoning and mathematical skills.
Einstein, on the other hand, was off the scale when it came to logic, maths and physics, but below average in verbal and social skills. So he scores a 160. Which explains why you (and 99.9999% of the World) haven't the foggiest what he was on about.

you don´t need an iq test to tell me that the guy is stupid I´ve heard him talk

"Oblitrificate" is all I will say.

Back to GWB:
He'd do badly in the verbal/language skills for obvious reasons;
I can't see him doing too well in the spatial reasoning sections either (remember the bike antics?);
His maths seem average at best, most likely below average (His business dealings over the decades aren't too hot);
Logic reasoning is a gonna. He's shown that he simply doesn't have the ability to look at issues from other angles. Also he makes simple logic inference mistakes (e.g. Taliban=Bad, and are Muslim, Osama=Bad, and is a Muslim, Osama + Taliban. Saddam=Bad, and is also Muslim. Therefore: Saddam+Osama).
So I think we can conclude that George W Bush would get a low IQ score. 91 is probably generous. ;)

I don't think he's necessarily stupid because he messes up when he speaks. There is a new analysis that shows he flubs his speeches only when he's trying to express empathy or compassion. When he's talking about the death penalty and warfare he speaks with great confidence and enthusiasm, truly inspirational.

Some people are genius only because they don't copy anybody else. They think thier own thoughts. No one elses. Something that could be called original thoughts. A dead mind constantly copies everything they have seen on TV or from various pieces of propaganda or news. They are too busy telling other people how to live, when they should be living thier own.

Fake. Clinton... 182? That's pretty much inhumanly possible. And I think this is to try to claim that Democrats are smarter than Republicans.

In the IQ order, the parties were...

D
D
D
R
D
D
D
R
R
R
R
R

Yeah... I think that's it.

And if the president's IQ was 96, no way would he have made it through Harvard. Average IQ is 110 or something. I don't think Harvard takes "average," much less "14 below average."

And for the record, I don't think there has been a recorded instance of someone scoring in the 180+ category (given how the brain of a person with that kind of IQ would be wired, there is a profoundly good evolutionary reason why there wouldn't). Most of the people who attribute such scores to people don't know what in the frapping hell an IQ test is even for, much less how it works.
Marilyn Vos Savant scored 226.

I, personally, scored ~220.

You don't need a low IQ to be an idiot.

People are making a mistake if they think there is only one IQ test, or that the scores on one are necessarily equatable with another. A score of 182 is highly possible on some, and unlikely on others. I myself score consistently in the 140-155 range, depending on the test. Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar, no easy trick, so a score of 182 (though probably a little inflated,) is possible.

Certainly, Clinton is much brighter than Bush.

Did you read what you wrote?
If the claim that Bush has the lowest IQ of any American president in the last 50 years is false, then it does mean that "Bush Jr. Doesn't have the lowest IQ of any American president in the last 50 years.. LOL :rolleyes:"

No, you didn't understand what I said. What I said is just because this one (probably fictional institute) made such a claim probably based on no actual data, that doesn't mean the claim in it's self is not true. It just means that this one claim is false, it does not address what Bush's actual IQ is or is not. It just says that one claim was an Internet hoax. Please read what I say more carefully ;)

bush must be isolated from rest of the world