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Here is a reality check for all of you who are either misled or out of your minds.

George W. Bush is a fool. Proof? He waved at Stevie Wonder, almorst died by choking on a pretzel and has said many stupid things like, "Most of our imports come from other countries..."

Homosexuals are not evil. There are actually examples in nature of homosexuality between all sorts of animals which include; rams, dolphins, dogs and monkeys.

Evolution is indeed real. It happens around you all the time. If you don't believe in evolution, you don't believe in any sort of variation or growth. Get a life you creationists.

Fundamentalists really do annoy the hell out of people. Next time you knock on someone's door and ask them to find Trinity in the Bible, just think about how much you'd like to punch yourself in the face. Oh and fundamentalist Al-Qaeda members can also note the irony in many of your pamphlets in using America's freedom to destroy it's freedom. I realise you terrorists love the Second Ammendant, but it's like going on TV to say that's evil and you should read books.

Gun Nuts or NRA members (whichever you prefer), you don't need a semi-automatic rifle to hunt deer. Use your bare hands to hunt, then you'll be manly. Also those who use guns for 'self-defense' do what I do and take some kung fu lessons before you shoot your girl-friend.

There, that should stir up some debate...

*hands Khockist flame resistant suit*

You'll need this. :D

*hands Khockist flame resistant suit*

You'll need this. :D

Somehow I think you're right. Thanks for the suit.

Not the most tactful and polite article, though I agree with it. Also, who needs an assault weapon for home deffence they have the power to go throguh a person and keep gonig, make it even less safe than a 9mm handgun. Well, good article.

Gun Nuts or NRA members (whichever you prefer), you don't need a semi-automatic rifle to hunt deer. Use your bare hands to hunt, then you'll be manly. Also those who use guns for 'self-defense' do what I do and take some kung fu lessons before you shoot your girl-friend.

There, that should stir up some debate...

Many weapons are semi automatic, including shotguns. Just means one bullet is fired then another when you pull the trigger. Automatics continue to fire when you pull the trigger. You take kung-fu lessons (hahaha sure), well I am a master of Ker-chunk (12 gauge style). Who would win? You and your Bruce Lee stuff can probably catch bullets with your teeth, right?

Not the most tactful and polite article, though I agree with it. Also, who needs an assault weapon for home deffence they have the power to go throguh a person and keep gonig, make it even less safe than a 9mm handgun. Well, good article.

It's funny because you don't understand ballistics or what constitutes an assault weapon :D

Many weapons are semi automatic, including shotguns. Just means one bullet is fired then another when you pull the trigger. Automatics continue to fire when you pull the trigger. You take kung-fu lessons (hahaha sure), well I am a master of Ker-chunk (12 gauge style). Who would win? You and your Bruce Lee stuff can probably catch bullets with your teeth, right?

Yes people like you are the reasons some of us can't sleep tonight... Plus if someone held me up with a gun and I had $130 in my wallet (which is rare) my life is worth more than $130. Guns are unnecessary.

Good points all round Khockist.

I'm British and personally I oppose the idea of any private citizen being allowed to own his/her own gun. But thats just me.

Many weapons are semi automatic, including shotguns. Just means one bullet is fired then another when you pull the trigger. Automatics continue to fire when you pull the trigger. You take kung-fu lessons (hahaha sure), well I am a master of Ker-chunk (12 gauge style). Who would win? You and your Bruce Lee stuff can probably catch bullets with your teeth, right?


Ha.So you shoot a guy,so your a man now?thats his point,he not saying guns aren't effective,he's saying its a bad Idea for a fuck like you to have one.

And you and your gun shit won't make you a man,loser.Guys who live in their parents house when their thirty own guns,17 year old kids own guns.So what?The got a cheap easily accesable weapon.I could go on forever,but I'm tired.

but you right,this guy not know much about guns.

Here is a reality check for all of you who are either mislead or out of your minds.

George W. Bush is a fool. Proof? He waved at Stevie Wonder, almorst died by choking on a pretzel and has said many stupid things like, "Most of our imports come from other countries..."

Homosexuals are not evil. There are actually examples in nature of homosexuality between all sorts of animals which include; rams, dolphins, dogs and monkeys.

Evolution is indeed real. It happens around you all the time. If you don't believe in evolution, you don't believe in any sort of variation or growth. Get a life you creationists.

Fundamentalists really do annoy the hell out of people. Next time you knock on someone's door and ask them to find Trinity in the Bible, just think about how much you'd like to punch yourself in the face. Oh and fundamentalist Al-Qaeda members can also note the irony in many of your pamphlets in using America's freedom to destroy it's freedom. I realise you terrorists love the Second Ammendant, but it's like going on TV to say that's evil and you should read books.

Gun Nuts or NRA members (whichever you prefer), you don't need a semi-automatic rifle to hunt deer. Use your bare hands to hunt, then you'll be manly. Also those who use guns for 'self-defense' do what I do and take some kung fu lessons before you shoot your girl-friend.

There, that should stir up some debate...

but heres a question for you?why are christians all of a sudden evil and conservative?why are all these "liberals" keep slamming everyone for what they belive in when they complain about people don't respect their beliefs?What the hell's with that?

Yes people like you are the reasons some of us can't sleep tonight... Plus if someone held me up with a gun and I had $130 in my wallet (which is rare) my life is worth more than $130. Guns are unnecessary.

But then there are the people who break into homes with the sole intent of rape and murder. Your right, sure don't want a gun around then.

What a dope!

Your so against guns...then put a sign in your window of your home that says: This is a gun free home!

Actually, I don't mind the fact that you don't want to own a weapon. That is your choice. What I won't tolerate is you taking away my right to own a firearm.

Believe it or not, there are dangerous people out there.

I am actually surprised that the liberal forces in America aren't pro-gun rights. It is pretty apparent that the right-wing groups currently in power want to stomp down on the citizens with a heavy jack boot, so why do folk want to ban the one thing that might prevent such a fate?

But then there are the people who break into homes with the sole intent of rape and murder. Your right, sure don't want a gun around then.

What a dope!

Your so against guns...then put a sign in your window of your home that says: This is a gun free home!

Actually, I don't mind the fact that you don't want to own a weapon. That is your choice. What I won't tolerate is you taking away my right to own a firearm.

Believe it or not, there are dangerous people out there.

man,the reason its dangerous is cuz everyone has a fuckin gun!you and the other guy has a fully loaded nine,everyone has a fully loaded nine,who will shoot first?Maybe I should shoot first?before he ends up shooting me!Jeuseus,him and his Gs are gonna shoot me!I'll shoot them first!

And thats exactly what the other guys thinking.Tell me thats not more dangerous than a fist fight brawl that'll get broken up by the cops.

Your right, there are dangerous people out there. And you want to make it easy and legal for them to buy a gun?

I am actually surprised that the liberal forces in America aren't pro-gun rights. It is pretty apparent that the right-wing groups currently in power want to stomp down on the citizens with a heavy jack boot, so why do folk want to ban the one thing that might prevent such a fate?

if the american people REALLY didn't like their goverment and life,they would have put these guys in front of a firing squad long ago.
But people are happy,as much as they say that they arn't,so the american goverment will do as it pleases until then.

Your right, there are dangerous people out there. And you want to make it easy and legal for them to buy a gun?

Exactly my point.

if the american people REALLY didn't like their goverment and life,they would have put these guys in front of a firing squad long ago.
But people are happy,as much as they say that they arn't,so the american goverment will do as it pleases until then.
That's right. People are fat and happy as long as the social programs keep running and keep everyone comfortable. Eventually, however, things will get nasty; and if we don't have the rifles to form a firing squad then we're in a world of hurt. People need to understand that the American government is revolutionary in nature. Through their notes and memoires it was very apparent that our Founding Fathers considered firearms a necessity to ensure freedom for its citizens in the face of a corrupt or controlling government. You give up the guns, you give up your bargaining power.

Well said. (in reply to original post on this thread)

Here is a reality check for all of you who are either mislead or out of your minds.

YAY! Let's put the misguided in their place with TRUTH! Long live truth - and not the kind that spews from the mouths of born agains!

George W. Bush is a fool. Proof? He waved at Stevie Wonder, almorst died by choking on a pretzel and has said many stupid things like, "Most of our imports come from other countries..."

Yeah, choking on a pretzel... o_O Right... Yeah, he needs to learn how to chew, especially since the average pretzel is really way smaller than bite size.

Of course the rampant stupidity doesn't help his case. Too bad there isn't a national test leaders have to take to make sure they ARE smart enough to run a country.

Homosexuals are not evil. There are actually examples in nature of homosexuality between all sorts of animals which include; rams, dolphins, dogs and monkeys.

Good, you're starting to make even more sense now!

Evolution is indeed real. It happens around you all the time. If you don't believe in evolution, you don't believe in any sort of variation or growth. Get a life you creationists.

Damn, you didn't give them a chance to dodge the last punch before you threw this one at them!

How true it is... The bible is a crutch for those who can't stand reality.

Fundamentalists really do annoy the hell out of people. Next time you knock on someone's door and ask them to find Trinity in the Bible, just think about how much you'd like to punch yourself in the face.

Yes! Oh yes! This is one of the reasons I'm glad to live in an apartment building. None of these people can get through and if they do... they're getting a nice face full of ice water if they knock on my door!

It was bad enough when I had friends try and convert me.

Gun Nuts or NRA members (whichever you prefer), you don't need a semi-automatic rifle to hunt deer. Use your bare hands to hunt, then you'll be manly. Also those who use guns for 'self-defense' do what I do and take some kung fu lessons before you shoot your girl-friend.

Yeah, if you're going deer hunting, get a bow and arrow, or something to make it a real challenge. A gun takes away from the sport aspect.

And, having a gun in the house would make me feel really unsafe. I feel safe in my apartment because of the "modem-router" nature of it. the modem being the main entrance and the router being the redirection of my person when I enter ;) ok, so, that makes no sense to most people.


but heres a question for you?why are christians all of a sudden evil and conservative?why are all these "liberals" keep slamming everyone for what they belive in when they complain about people don't respect their beliefs?What the hell's with that?

No, it's not that. Our problem lies with FUNDAMENTALIST Christians, Jews and Muslims. It's not the moderates with whom we have a problem, it's the extremeists. We don't slam your quaint Christian beliefs, we just "slam" those of your fundamentalist counterparts. We do because these guys are really out of touch with reality and believe in their way or the highway, so, when we argue with them, it seems like it is for us, but, in reality we are just maintaining our ground to show how they are wrong using logical proof.

[QUOTE=Khockist]Here is a reality check for all of you who are either mislead or out of your minds.[QUOTE=Khockist]

Why can't you just leave people alone,let them belive what they want.Here's a reality check for you.Maybe,just maybe people belive in things for their own reasons.Maybe they're not as ingnorant as you make them out to be,but belive in the things they do regardless.
Just maybe.

[QUOTE=Khockist]George W. Bush is a fool. Proof? He waved at Stevie Wonder, almorst died by choking on a pretzel and has said many stupid things like, "Most of our imports come from other countries..."[QUOTE=Knockist]

So the guy doesn't think things out before he talks,thats why politician have writters and spin doctors.

Now,this will get you pissed,and I don't like the guy any more than any of you,but listen here.This guy is a fuckin genius.No wait,here,I'll explain.First,you don't know it,but he's doing a great thing for america.He is going into an uncontrolled oil supply,namly Iraq,and in the great american tradition,he will put a pro-american dictator in and thus control the oil flow.Now,maybe you guys say"oh,but the violence is never justified" or "thats not a great thing for america" but listen here.Say you have the choice between leaving Mr.Hussein a president of Iraq and avoiding the deaths caused by the american invasion,but if you do that,you have to pay 5$ a littre for gas?Would you have a choice?Can you afford that?maybe you can,maybe you don't have a car,but the average american does,and could never afford that.They would have no choice.The prices won't drop,but they won't skyrocket to that extent either(for now) thanks to mister bush.And guess what,you know how he pulled that weapons of mass destruction crap?well guess what,it doesn't matter he was exposed in a lie,he still achived he objective,so ultimatly it doesn't matter.He pulled that cheap crap off on you guys anyway,so why the hell would he care?

[QUOTE=Khockist]Evolution is indeed real. It happens around you all the time. If you don't believe in evolution, you don't believe in any sort of variation or growth. Get a life you creationists.[QUOTE=Khockist]

Leave the poor guys alone.

So how much money did you get from said reality check cashing?

How do you guys quote parts of stuff like that?

Yeah, choking on a pretzel... o_O Right... Yeah, he needs to learn how to chew, especially since the average pretzel is really way smaller than bite size.
In his defense, on the US east coast you'll find that large soft pretzels are very popular, and choking is a definite hazard if you somehow forget to chew on it.

Mmmm... tasty.

That's right. People are fat and happy as long as the social programs keep running and keep everyone comfortable. Eventually, however, things will get nasty; and if we don't have the rifles to form a firing squad then we're in a world of hurt. People need to understand that the American government is revolutionary in nature. Through their notes and memoires it was very apparent that our Founding Fathers considered firearms a necessity to ensure freedom for its citizens in the face of a corrupt or controlling government. You give up the guns, you give up your bargaining power.

It's interesting that of all the people who could have been offended by this thread, the gun nuts are the only vocal ones.

Thankfully they live on a different continent to me (probably in a cabin in the woods in Michigan where they keep their automatic rifles and watch out for Black Helicopters sent by the UN to use the mind control rays on them).

The US reverence for the Constitution is always quite touching. But here is the news - that was 200 years ago and the world changed. You have a computer, for a start. "A well regulated militia". Now what part of that militia is some freak with an Uzi in his living room? The Second Amendment was to cheaply provide for a people's army in case us Brits came back (ooga booga! fear us!).

We're not coming back you know. Well, only on package tours to Disneyworld - you don't need to meet us off the plane with M-16s for that. Meanwhile, US cities are more dangerous than anywhere else in the western world. You can sloganise all you want about how guns don't kill people, but it won't change the facts. Nerve gas doesn't kill people either. Only the people who use it do. Does that mean nerve gas should be freely available? Or might that be a touch dangerous...?

That's right. People are fat and happy as long as the social programs keep running and keep everyone comfortable. Eventually, however, things will get nasty; and if we don't have the rifles to form a firing squad then we're in a world of hurt. People need to understand that the American government is revolutionary in nature. Through their notes and memoires it was very apparent that our Founding Fathers considered firearms a necessity to ensure freedom for its citizens in the face of a corrupt or controlling government. You give up the guns, you give up your bargaining power.

HA!Bargaining power?the goverment practically created the NRA.They make literally Billions of dollars from gun coarparations mounthly!The won't guns around.

Theres revolts all the time,but the genarl public just sees the orchastraters as crazy ass violent gun nuts.I doubt that having an "armed public" will help you guys any,but thats just me.

HA!Bargaining power?the goverment practically created the NRA.They make literally Billions of dollars from gun coarparations mounthly!The won't guns around.

Theres revolts all the time,but the genarl public just sees the orchastraters as crazy ass violent gun nuts.I doubt that having an "armed public" will help you guys any,but thats just me.

Somehow I am starting to think you are out of touch with reality. Nothing you said in this post was true.

In his defense, on the US east coast you'll find that large soft pretzels are very popular, and choking is a definite hazard if you somehow forget to chew on it.

Mmmm... tasty.
Forget to chew? o_O;; now THAT is kinda really stupid... How can one forget to chew??

It's interesting that of all the people who could have been offended by this thread, the gun nuts are the only vocal ones.
It's frustrating when people always jump straight to the extreme cases. Sure there are probably people that sit around polishing guns day and night waiting for invading armies or black helicopters to come by, but those people are rather few and far between. I have a single firearm I only carry when I have to spend time in some of the less savory neighborhoods of the local city. I've never been afraid of guns there, but I have had to run from several mobs wielding chains and baseball bats. Guns don't cause crime, but they do help prevent it. Besides, I'm just as likely to be knifed to death in London as I am in New York.

It's interesting that of all the people who could have been offended by this thread, the gun nuts are the only vocal ones.

Thankfully they live on a different continent to me (probably in a cabin in the woods in Michigan where they keep their automatic rifles and watch out for Black Helicopters sent by the UN to use the mind control rays on them).

The US reverence for the Constitution is always quite touching. But here is the news - that was 200 years ago and the world changed. You have a computer, for a start. "A well regulated militia". Now what part of that militia is some freak with an Uzi in his living room? The Second Amendment was to cheaply provide for a people's army in case us Brits came back (ooga booga! fear us!).

We're not coming back you know. Well, only on package tours to Disneyworld - you don't need to meet us off the plane with M-16s for that. Meanwhile, US cities are more dangerous than anywhere else in the western world. You can sloganise all you want about how guns don't kill people, but it won't change the facts. Nerve gas doesn't kill people either. Only the people who use it do. Does that mean nerve gas should be freely available? Or might that be a touch dangerous...?

nicely done.You wrote what I've been thinking for years.

And here now,hows this hear fair.Now,where I come from,there happens to be a large number of people who are involved in gangs that make copious amounts of money selling contraband products.Now,theres ALOT of people who want the money from this bussiness,but as much market as their is,some people have more controll over this market than others.Sometimes these gangs start to fight.They want to win these fights,so undestandably,they try too obtain better weapons.People see this as another opportunity to make some cash.Guys go across the border to your united states,buy large amounts of guns that are Illegal or heavily restricted in my country,then sell them for about 10x the price here,too gangsters that are going to use them to kill each other.And say a guy comes to my house,I'm outside playing with my baby sister.They pull their guns on me.I know whats going on.I run.My baby sister has no Idea,she's just a little girl.She doesn't run.Who gets shot,me,the drug dealer from the other gang,or Emily,my the innocent child who has nothing to do with her brothers job?

Thanks alot,america,for making our streets safer with your love of weaponry(I'm being sarcasticc)

At least don't let your weapons spill over into the hands of OUR children.

Somehow I am starting to think you are out of touch with reality. Nothing you said in this post was true.

man,the goverment makes deals with big bussiness,every goverment does,it only makes sense.A big bussiness in america is the arms bussiness,they help out the big gun companies a bit.Whats so hard to belive?

And if the american goverment thought that people having weapons would be a threat to the goverment,they would have done something about it.How many POPULAR armed rebellions you seen lately?

So you think guns should be banned in America because Canadian gangs randomly approach and shoot children in suburban neighborhoods? I hate to tell you, but if that's what's happening up there then you guys are a lot more fucked up than you can blame on our guns.

man,the goverment makes deals with big bussiness,every goverment does,it only makes sense.A big bussiness in america is the arms bussiness,they help out the big gun companies a bit.Whats so hard to belive?

And if the american goverment thought that people having weapons would be a threat to the goverment,they would have done something about it.How many POPULAR armed rebellions you seen lately?
I want to know where you get the idea that firearms manufacturers are giving the government billions of dollars a month. I want you to point out a few armed rebellions that are actually rebellions and not some legitimate crackpot just going off on a shooting rampage? Please tell me, because I'd like to understand.

The American government does see weapons as a threat, and they are taking steps to do something about it. They can't yank them all at once without causing a great deal of violence, but they're nickel and diming us down bit by bit.

It's frustrating when people always jump straight to the extreme cases. Sure there are probably people that sit around polishing guns day and night waiting for invading armies or black helicopters to come by, but those people are rather few and far between. I have a single firearm I only carry when I have to spend time in some of the less savory neighborhoods of the local city. I've never been afraid of guns there, but I have had to run from several mobs wielding chains and baseball bats. Guns don't cause crime, but they do help prevent it. Besides, I'm just as likely to be knifed to death in London as I am in New York.

man,if you can't learn to defend yourself hand to hand,against say,like,a guy with a broken beer bottle,one day you'll find that your gun isn't there to save you.And say it is?Just from personal experience and this may not apply to you,but were I live,so you shoot the guy to death in a bar?So you get of on self defense MAYBE,but lets just say you do,these guys hunt you down for killing their friend.Yah,people get killed out on the street,but I don't belive that that should be aloud to spread weapons to half the population of a country that will be used to commit even more violent crimes.

How can one forget to chew??

The same way one forgets to walk, of course!

;)

I want to know where you get the idea that firearms manufacturers are giving the government billions of dollars a month. I want you to point out a few armed rebellions that are actually rebellions and not some legitimate crackpot just going off on a shooting rampage? Please tell me, because I'd like to understand.

The American government does see weapons as a threat, and they are taking steps to do something about it. They can't yank them all at once without causing a great deal of violence, but they're nickel and diming us down bit by bit.

oh,you miss understand.I didn't mean that the gun companies giv them money,I meant that they make money on the taxes and that gun companies help the economy.

Nickel and diming you?well I don't see anyone stopping them.

Your right,there haven't really been any legitimate true armed rebellions in america for some time.But that still re inforces my point.

The same way one forgets to walk, of course!

:0

exactly.How else?

exactly.How else?

Heh. You got me mid post edit!

oh.sorry.

The same way one forgets to walk, of course!

;)
... Ok, seriously, I have no comment for this!

well......you can forget how to walk when you incur bad enough brain damage,but that's sort of beside the point.........

... Ok, seriously, I have no comment for this!

I tend to have that effect!

:)

Indeed......

nicely done.You wrote what I've been thinking for years.

And here now,hows this hear fair.Now,where I come from,there happens to be a large number of people who are involved in gangs that make copious amounts of money selling contraband products.Now,theres ALOT of people who want the money from this bussiness,but as much market as their is,some people have more controll over this market than others.Sometimes these gangs start to fight.They want to win these fights,so undestandably,they try too obtain better weapons.People see this as another opportunity to make some cash.Guys go across the border to your united states,buy large amounts of guns that are Illegal or heavily restricted in my country,then sell them for about 10x the price here,too gangsters that are going to use them to kill each other.And say a guy comes to my house,I'm outside playing with my baby sister.They pull their guns on me.I know whats going on.I run.My baby sister has no Idea,she's just a little girl.She doesn't run.Who gets shot,me,the drug dealer from the other gang,or Emily,my the innocent child who has nothing to do with her brothers job?

Thanks alot,america,for making our streets safer with your love of weaponry(I'm being sarcasticc)

At least don't let your weapons spill over into the hands of OUR children.

sometimes I just quote myself because I'm so prolific.

man,if you can't learn to defend yourself hand to hand,against say,like,a guy with a broken beer bottle,one day you'll find that your gun isn't there to save you.And say it is?Just from personal experience and this may not apply to you,but were I live,so you shoot the guy to death in a bar?So you get of on self defense MAYBE,but lets just say you do,these guys hunt you down for killing their friend.Yah,people get killed out on the street,but I don't belive that that should be aloud to spread weapons to half the population of a country that will be used to commit even more violent crimes.

So now your argument is based off the assumption that half of America is populated with violent psychopaths. Not very neighborly of you.

These are some pretty farfetched scenarios. You're saying no one should have guns because everyone should be a ninja? Maybe, but right off the bat that puts women at a dinstinct disadvantage in most any physical confrontation. That puts me at one too, since I'm pretty much permanently crippled from some injuries I received a few years ago. I can run pretty fast, but if I get cornered I'd have a hard time fighting off a girlscout let alone a thug with a broken bottle.

In response to your question, yes. I would shoot the guy in a bar if he attacked me with a weapon, and I would be justified in doing it. I think you're also really reaching when you assume that there is some universal force ensuring the thug's friends will hunt me down vigilante-style for defending myself. I think it's pretty safe to say that such a thing rarely happens outside of heavily gang-infested areas. Since I don't hang out in bars in shoddy neighborhoods, that's not really an issue.



oh,you miss understand.I didn't mean that the gun companies giv them money,I meant that they make money on the taxes and that gun companies help the economy.

Nickel and diming you?well I don't see anyone stopping them.

Your right,there haven't really been any legitimate true armed rebellions in america for some time.But that still re inforces my point.

Money does not always equate to safety. They give significantly fewer tax dollars than the tobacco industry, yet the government seems to have no compunctions about crippling them. We have recently had a major victory against the nickel and diming when the assault weapons ban was allowed to sunset due to constant pressure on our elected leaders to allow it to expire. It was a stupid feel-good ban that didn't have any discernable effect on gun-related violence, but it was definitely a foot in the door for gun abolitionists.

There have been no armed rebellions becase we don't need to have any yet. Our government is far from perfect, but considering the fact that it's run by people it seems to be doing pretty well. That doesn't mean we should give up the one thing that can ensure we don't devolve into a pure theocracy or other equally hideous government concept.

no,I didn't mean that all americans are going to be killing each other,I just said that if no one had the guns the crazy guys wouldn't be able to steal them.I'm sorry,I have a tendency to be miss interpeted.Wait,I I'll be back in one minute.

sometimes I just quote myself because I'm so prolific.
Not yet. You don't even have a thousand posts yet!

Half of America is not populated by violent psychopaths... it's the other half that I worry about. ;)

So now your argument is based off the assumption that half of America is populated with violent psychopaths. Not very neighborly of you.

These are some pretty farfetched scenarios. You're saying no one should have guns because everyone should be a ninja? Maybe, but right off the bat that puts women at a dinstinct disadvantage in most any physical confrontation. That puts me at one too, since I'm pretty much permanently crippled from some injuries I received a few years ago. I can run pretty fast, but if I get cornered I'd have a hard time fighting off a girlscout let alone a thug with a broken bottle.

In response to your question, yes. I would shoot the guy in a bar if he attacked me with a weapon, and I would be justified in doing it. I think you're also really reaching when you assume that there is some universal force ensuring the thug's friends will hunt me down vigilante-style for defending myself. I think it's pretty safe to say that such a thing rarely happens outside of heavily gang-infested areas. Since I don't hang out in bars in shoddy neighborhoods, that's not really an issue.

I didn't mean that they'ed chase you across the country,I just mean if you staid in the same city(which most people tend to do for lack of money to go to all those tropical nations) you might encounter some trouble.But thats why I said that it may not apply to you,your right,I guess it only really happens in the kind of place I live in.On top of that,your totaly right.If youd don't get involved in the bussiness of these guys,they don't really have a reason to hurt you,which is what I always preach to people,so I guess not all that many people would care if you plugged a guy who was trying to stab you.Nice points.

Half of America is not populated by violent psychopaths... it's the other half that I worry about. ;)

hehe,funny.

Not yet. You don't even have a thousand posts yet!

you don't have too rub it in......sniffle........

you don't have too rub it in......sniffle........
Sure I do. You're only a month old. ^_^

somehow,I don't see that as a bad thing......

Here is a reality check for all of you who are either mislead or out of your minds.
It is spelled "misled", my friend; it is "mislead" if the person you are talking to was the one "misleading."
If you intend to go around calling people you hardly know stupid, at least have the wit to do so with proper spelling. Thus, this is the First Strike against your credibility.

George W. Bush is a fool. Proof? He waved at Stevie Wonder, almorst died by choking on a pretzel and has said many stupid things like, "Most of our imports come from other countries..."
So someone stumbles over a word and that makes them stupid? A man who msiconugates "mislead" in print isn't in to good a shape to comment there.
As far as waving, well direct thine lesss than erudite vision toward yon Snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bushwave.htm). Funny that they should label it as a false urban rumor when you seem to know it is so obviously true. Strike Two, kiddo.
Finally, choking doesn't demonstrate anything on inteliigence. So what, a bit of food that was too large went down your throat and blocked breathing.

Homosexuals are not evil. There are actually examples in nature of homosexuality between all sorts of animals which include; rams, dolphins, dogs and monkeys.
At least it seems you can communicate inteliigently. However, you seem to be confusing two terms that is "evil" and "natural." Nature includes incest and cannibalism, yet both practices are regarded as evil by most people. However, your overall idea is sound, so I'll just give you that one.

Evolution is indeed real. It happens around you all the time. If you don't believe in evolution, you don't believe in any sort of variation or growth.
Could it be, the spark of intelligence? Yes, the point is cliched. Yes, the point has been hammered into the ground forever and a day. However, no glaring errors, consistency, some evidence of a thought process, and no petty and insulting arrogant remarks . . .
Get a life you creationists.
Oops, spoke to soon. Ah well, you lose some, you lose some others.

Fundamentalists really do annoy the hell out of people. Next time you knock on someone's door and ask them to find Trinity in the Bible, just think about how much you'd like to punch yourself in the face.
Perhaps they're merely trying to save you from the fire's of hell? Don't confuse fundies and door to door salesmen. The guy may be wrong, he may be wasting your time, but at least he thinks he is trying to save you from damnation.

Oh and fundamentalist Al-Qaeda members can also note the irony in many of your pamphlets in using America's freedom to destroy it's freedom. I realise you terrorists love the Second Ammendant, but it's like going on TV to say that's evil and you should read books.
One may note that "Al-Qaeda members" don''t excercise the second amendment as they obtain illegal weapons for illegal purposes. One might also note that the famous case of an Islamic "evil-doer" with a gun wasn't affiliated with Al-Qaeda.
Once again, the basic idea is sound, so I can let the technicalities drop.

Gun Nuts or NRA members (whichever you prefer), you don't need a semi-automatic rifle to hunt deer.
Actually, as has already been pointed out, all a semi-automatic does is move the next bullet into the chamber and cock itself. Therefore, a standard weapon and a smei-auto is more of a difference in convenience. That's your Third Strike.

Use your bare hands to hunt, then you'll be manly.
Are you stupid? Have you ever seen what a wild animal can do to a man? No one has ever used their barehands to hunt. Fourth Strike.

Also those who use guns for 'self-defense' do what I do and take some kung fu lessons before you shoot your girl-friend.
I hate to repeat myself, but:
Are you stupid?
How do you expect to save your life with kung fu. I've got news for you buddy, it won't work. The Boxers in the Boxer Rebellion thought that their non-weapon combat abilities could guide them to victory against gun-totting Europeans, guess what happened to them? A gun will protect you not only because of its combat ability, but because people are less liekly to commit crimes in a neighborhood where the people are known to be armed and dangerous. This is Strike Five.

There, that should stir up some debate...
Well lemmesee Five Strikes to your credibility in one post, three ignorant remarks about guns, conjugation errors, and lack of consistent arguement.
I certainly hope you're covered for when you're reality check bounces.

It is spelled "misled", my friend; it is "mislead" if the person you are talking to was the one "misleading."
If you intend to go around calling people you hardly know stupid, at least have the wit to do so with proper spelling. Thus, this is the First Strike against your credibility.


So someone stumbles over a word and that makes them stupid? A man who msiconugates "mislead" in print isn't in to good a shape to comment there.
As far as waving, well direct thine lesss than erudite vision toward yon Snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bushwave.htm). Funny that they should label it as a false urban rumor when you seem to know it is so obviously true. Strike Two, kiddo.
Finally, choking doesn't demonstrate anything on inteliigence. So what, a bit of food that was too large went down your throat and blocked breathing.


At least it seems you can communicate inteliigently. However, you seem to be confusing two terms that is "evil" and "natural." Nature includes incest and cannibalism, yet both practices are regarded as evil by most people. However, your overall idea is sound, so I'll just give you that one.


Could it be, the spark of intelligence? Yes, the point is cliched. Yes, the point has been hammered into the ground forever and a day. However, no glaring errors, consistency, some evidence of a thought process, and no petty and insulting arrogant remarks . . .

Oops, spoke to soon. Ah well, you lose some, you lose some others.


Perhaps they're merely trying to save you from the fire's of hell? Don't confuse fundies and door to door salesmen. The guy may be wrong, he may be wasting your time, but at least he thinks he is trying to save you from damnation.


One may note that "Al-Qaeda members" don''t excercise the second amendment as they obtain illegal weapons for illegal purposes. One might also note that the famous case of an Islamic "evil-doer" with a gun wasn't affiliated with Al-Qaeda.
Once again, the basic idea is sound, so I can let the technicalities drop.


Actually, as has already been pointed out, all a semi-automatic does is move the next bullet into the chamber and cock itself. Therefore, a standard weapon and a smei-auto is more of a difference in convenience. That's your Third Strike.


Are you stupid? Have you ever seen what a wild animal can do to a man? No one has ever used their barehands to hunt. Fourth Strike.


I hate to repeat myself, but:
Are you stupid?
How do you expect to save your life with kung fu. I've got news for you buddy, it won't work. The Boxers in the Boxer Rebellion thought that their non-weapon combat abilities could guide them to victory against gun-totting Europeans, guess what happened to them? A gun will protect you not only because of its combat ability, but because people are less liekly to commit crimes in a neighborhood where the people are known to be armed and dangerous. This is Strike Five.


Well lemmesee Five Strikes to your credibility in one post, three ignorant remarks about guns, conjugation errors, and lack of consistent arguement.
I certainly hope you're covered for when you're reality check bounces.
funny,but try not too be so mean about it next time.

choking doesn't demonstrate anything on inteliigence.

It's spelled "intelLigence". See, anybody can make a typo, but Bush is a fucking moron. Just consider a couple of his gems:

"Seldom is it asked, 'is our kids learning?'"

"Most of our imports come from overseas."

It's a whole category apart from typos, I'm afraid.

Hammertime!!!!!!!

Well,nice talking with you guys,I have to go,but this was alot of fun.You guys keep in touch,eh?

Well,nice talking with you guys,I have to go,but this was alot of fun.You guys keep in touch,eh?
I'll be here.

Great.Well,hope to see you guys again soon.

and remeber,

"One death is a tragedy,a million is just statistics."
Joseph Stalin

man,the reason its dangerous is cuz everyone has a fuckin gun!you and the other guy has a fully loaded nine,everyone has a fully loaded nine,who will shoot first?Maybe I should shoot first?before he ends up shooting me!Jeuseus,him and his Gs are gonna shoot me!I'll shoot them first!

And thats exactly what the other guys thinking.Tell me thats not more dangerous than a fist fight brawl that'll get broken up by the cops.

Please learn a language before trying to call someone an idiot. Your writing makes me want to vomit all over my keyboard.

Here is a reality check for all of you who are either mislead or out of your minds.

George W. Bush is a fool. Proof? He waved at Stevie Wonder, almorst died by choking on a pretzel and has said many stupid things like, "Most of our imports come from other countries..."

Perhaps we should ban anyone who has ever choked on anything from voting? Better yet, we should deny voting rights to those people who apparently believe that most of our imports DO NOT come from overseas.

Homosexuals are not evil. There are actually examples in nature of homosexuality between all sorts of animals which include; rams, dolphins, dogs and monkeys.

Whether or not homosexuality is natural is irrelevant. Lions kill other lions--does that justify human murder? I really take issue with anyone who thinks that homosexuality is wrong, but just as often, I am frustrated with the equally flawed arguments of the pro-homosexuality camp.


Evolution is indeed real.[...]Fundamentalists really do annoy the hell out of people.

'Nuff said.

Gun Nuts or NRA members (whichever you prefer), you don't need a semi-automatic rifle to hunt deer. Use your bare hands to hunt, then you'll be manly. Also those who use guns for 'self-defense' do what I do and take some kung fu lessons before you shoot your girl-friend.

What's your point? That at some not-inconceivable point in the near or distant future, there is a finite chance that I could, imaginably, perhaps, maybe use a gun to shoot someone? How about you leave gun owners alone, and come back when a crime has been committed?

Guns Kill.

The pro gun lobby's main arguement seems to be 'Since bad people have guns, we should have guns as well'. But the bad people get guns a lot easier because its legal for them to do so! We in the U.k (and most of Europe) dont let private citizens go around armed, and the result is less gun crime.

It is spelled "misled", my friend; it is "mislead" if the person you are talking to was the one "misleading."
If you intend to go around calling people you hardly know stupid, at least have the wit to do so with proper spelling. Thus, this is the First Strike against your credibility.


So someone stumbles over a word and that makes them stupid? A man who msiconugates "mislead" in print isn't in to good a shape to comment there.
As far as waving, well direct thine lesss than erudite vision toward yon Snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bushwave.htm). Funny that they should label it as a false urban rumor when you seem to know it is so obviously true. Strike Two, kiddo.
Finally, choking doesn't demonstrate anything on inteliigence. So what, a bit of food that was too large went down your throat and blocked breathing.


At least it seems you can communicate inteliigently. However, you seem to be confusing two terms that is "evil" and "natural." Nature includes incest and cannibalism, yet both practices are regarded as evil by most people. However, your overall idea is sound, so I'll just give you that one.


Could it be, the spark of intelligence? Yes, the point is cliched. Yes, the point has been hammered into the ground forever and a day. However, no glaring errors, consistency, some evidence of a thought process, and no petty and insulting arrogant remarks . . .

Oops, spoke to soon. Ah well, you lose some, you lose some others.


Perhaps they're merely trying to save you from the fire's of hell? Don't confuse fundies and door to door salesmen. The guy may be wrong, he may be wasting your time, but at least he thinks he is trying to save you from damnation.


One may note that "Al-Qaeda members" don''t excercise the second amendment as they obtain illegal weapons for illegal purposes. One might also note that the famous case of an Islamic "evil-doer" with a gun wasn't affiliated with Al-Qaeda.
Once again, the basic idea is sound, so I can let the technicalities drop.


Actually, as has already been pointed out, all a semi-automatic does is move the next bullet into the chamber and cock itself. Therefore, a standard weapon and a smei-auto is more of a difference in convenience. That's your Third Strike.


Are you stupid? Have you ever seen what a wild animal can do to a man? No one has ever used their barehands to hunt. Fourth Strike.


I hate to repeat myself, but:
Are you stupid?
How do you expect to save your life with kung fu. I've got news for you buddy, it won't work. The Boxers in the Boxer Rebellion thought that their non-weapon combat abilities could guide them to victory against gun-totting Europeans, guess what happened to them? A gun will protect you not only because of its combat ability, but because people are less liekly to commit crimes in a neighborhood where the people are known to be armed and dangerous. This is Strike Five.


Well lemmesee Five Strikes to your credibility in one post, three ignorant remarks about guns, conjugation errors, and lack of consistent arguement.
I certainly hope you're covered for when you're reality check bounces.

Someone needs to do this to Alexias.

Please learn a language before trying to call someone an idiot. Your writing makes me want to vomit all over my keyboard.
Whats ure prob?
yess vomid vomid woohahaha
speling[huh a left out L, oh no no there goes the keyboard] aint impotant[No don't try to clean it just buy a new one]

Many weapons are semi automatic, including shotguns. Just means one bullet is fired then another when you pull the trigger. Automatics continue to fire when you pull the trigger. You take kung-fu lessons (hahaha sure), well I am a master of Ker-chunk (12 gauge style). Who would win? You and your Bruce Lee stuff can probably catch bullets with your teeth, right?
and bruce lee was actually a martial arts master, i forget which it was right now, but im sure he could kick your ass

Perhaps we should ban anyone who has ever choked on anything from voting? Better yet, we should deny voting rights to those people who apparently believe that most of our imports DO NOT come from overseas.
if you EVER feel the need to inform some one imports come from overseas, stop voting. its called REDUDANCY, everyone knows imports come from other countries, everyone



Whether or not homosexuality is natural is irrelevant. Lions kill other lions--does that justify human murder? I really take issue with anyone who thinks that homosexuality is wrong, but just as often, I am frustrated with the equally flawed arguments of the pro-homosexuality camp.
you are mistaking the argument, the argument that other things also exhibit homosexual qualities is to counter the belief that homosexuality is not natual and is some inane choice








What's your point? That at some not-inconceivable point in the near or distant future, there is a finite chance that I could, imaginably, perhaps, maybe use a gun to shoot someone? How about you leave gun owners alone, and come back when a crime has been committed?
you tell me when and why you would ever need a high powered weapon to defend yourself, ever.

if you EVER feel the need to inform some one imports come from overseas, stop voting. its called REDUDANCY, everyone knows imports come from other countries, everyone

Imports come from Canada and Mexico too, and as far as I know, they are not overseas from the US.

It's spelled "intelLigence". See, anybody can make a typo, but Bush is a fucking moron. Just consider a couple of his gems:

"Seldom is it asked, 'is our kids learning?'"
A spoken misconjugation. Much easier to make than a typed misconjugation.

"Most of our imports come from overseas."
Of course that proves Bush is stupid! I mean, he should always remember that Canada and Mexico are really just states in the U.S.
Or wait, maybe not . . .

It's a whole category apart from typos, I'm afraid.
You're right there. I make a typo, I have a chance to read over my post and change it. You can't edit the spoken word, If I type "stoopid" I have a chance to look at it, realize it is a typo and change it back to "stupid". If I say "is our kids learning", I don't get that opportunity. It has already been said and is out making it's rounds on the internet.

and bruce lee was actually a martial arts master, i forget which it was right now, but im sure he could kick your ass
Gimmee a 12-gauge and put us at five paces, lets see who wins.

I am actually surprised that the liberal forces in America aren't pro-gun rights. It is pretty apparent that the right-wing groups currently in power want to stomp down on the citizens with a heavy jack boot, so why do folk want to ban the one thing that might prevent such a fate?Yeah, but on the other hand, liberal leaders (particularly in the 60s) had a nasty habit of getting shot. Conservatives want a gun to defend themselves, we want guns banned to defend ourselves.

A spoken misconjugation. Much easier to make than a typed misconjugation.


Of course that proves Bush is stupid! I mean, he should always remember that Canada and Mexico are really just states in the U.S.
Or wait, maybe not . . .


You're right there. I make a typo, I have a chance to read over my post and change it. You can't edit the spoken word, If I type "stoopid" I have a chance to look at it, realize it is a typo and change it back to "stupid". If I say "is our kids learning", I don't get that opportunity. It has already been said and is out making it's rounds on the internet.

Whatever. You jump all over someone for misspelling one word, when you do the same with the benefit of all of your "inteliigence". I note you don't provide any rationalization for your own hypocricy, only defences for your verbally inept coupe leader. Bravo! The guy has the brain of an eggplant, but let's talk about you some more, shall we?

It is spelled "misled", my friend; it is "mislead" if the person you are talking to was the one "misleading."
If you intend to go around calling people you hardly know stupid, at least have the wit to do so with proper spelling. Thus, this is the First Strike against your credibility.


I agree if you think spellings important, then your spelling should be indicative of this viewpoint right?

…msiconugates…lesss …inteliigence…inteliigently…cliched……don''t …a smei-auto…barehands...arguement.

Ah the hypocrisy.

I have nothing wrong with people who can’t spell (well, on the whole), but I do have something wrong when people use a spelling mistake to attack someone. And yes, the irony does make me smile as well.

We all need to refrain from making ad hominem attacks.

So now your argument is based off the assumption that half of America is populated with violent psychopaths. Not very neighborly of you.

These are some pretty farfetched scenarios. You're saying no one should have guns because everyone should be a ninja? Maybe, but right off the bat that puts women at a dinstinct disadvantage in most any physical confrontation. That puts me at one too, since I'm pretty much permanently crippled from some injuries I received a few years ago. I can run pretty fast, but if I get cornered I'd have a hard time fighting off a girlscout let alone a thug with a broken bottle.



Sorry but I don't want to start an even larger debate but you are indeed thinking that we are talking about EXTERNAL STYLES of martial arts. I was referring to INTERNAL STYLES of martial arts. External trains muscles and makes you big and strong like Arnold SChazzenegar (or however you spell it) and have to get heart transplants at age fifty for using too many steroids. Internal teaches you techniques that do not use brute force. Ever seen Samo Hung? Shaped like a football but he could kick a lot of people's arses. Sorry but I had to say it... Resume with the gun nuts...

It is spelled "misled", my friend; it is "mislead" if the person you are talking to was the one "misleading."
If you intend to go around calling people you hardly know stupid, at least have the wit to do so with proper spelling. Thus, this is the First Strike against your credibility.

So I used a word in the wrong context. I'm not damming people for that. If you want to take away someone's credibilty because of simple mistakes like that, then you may as well take away the credibility of nearly everyone on who because I am certain they have done it. I have seen bibles with spelling errors and out of context words in it, does that mean God is wrong and should be ignored by all individuals?

So someone stumbles over a word and that makes them stupid? A man who msiconugates "mislead" in print isn't in to good a shape to comment there.
As far as waving, well direct thine lesss than erudite vision toward yon Snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bushwave.htm). Funny that they should label it as a false urban rumor when you seem to know it is so obviously true. Strike Two, kiddo.
Finally, choking doesn't demonstrate anything on inteliigence. So what, a bit of food that was too large went down your throat and blocked breathing.


He didn't stumble over a word. He stated the bloody obvious because he thought it was not so obvious. Imports do come from other countries George. Spot on. Have a medal. Ok shoot me for believing something in the Washington Post. And shoot you for believing something on the internet. There, feel better? I think I'd be worried if you spent millions of dollars on national security, secret service men talking into their sleeves and the president goes down from SNACK FOOD! A pretzel no less. Bite sized food for your convience and you die from choking on it. Do we really need secret service men to sit with him and say, "Chew, sir. Now fluid, sir." Enough said?

At least it seems you can communicate inteliigently. However, you seem to be confusing two terms that is "evil" and "natural." Nature includes incest and cannibalism, yet both practices are regarded as evil by most people. However, your overall idea is sound, so I'll just give you that one.

You seemed to be confused sir. I am putting an end to the debate that homosexuality is not natural, therefore it is evil. Yes, incest does occur in nature every now and then, I realise that. It does happen. You know why? Total loss of hope to carry on the species. When we do it, it's out of perversion. Cannibalism happens when there is no other food source or when spiders have intercourse. And I really hate spiders... Creep me out.


Perhaps they're merely trying to save you from the fire's of hell? Don't confuse fundies and door to door salesmen. The guy may be wrong, he may be wasting your time, but at least he thinks he is trying to save you from damnation.

Perhaps I should tell you a little story about the day my grandfather died. He passed away during the night and in the morning there was an ambulance out front and a police car because it was an at-home death. And then came the Jehova Witnesses. I have a question for you. If you see an ambulance and a police car out front do you persist in trying to convert people into your religion? No? Well these JW's thought otherwise. I'm sure that's just what my grandmother needed, to here about how her husband was going to hell because he wasn't part of their religion. Just think about that...

One may note that "Al-Qaeda members" don''t excercise the second amendment as they obtain illegal weapons for illegal purposes. One might also note that the famous case of an Islamic "evil-doer" with a gun wasn't affiliated with Al-Qaeda.
Once again, the basic idea is sound, so I can let the technicalities drop.

You haven't seen the Al-Qaeda pamphlet have you? They come to America to get weapons training because these services are available to the general public and it is not illegal to own certain kinds of high powered rifles such as AK-47s.

Actually, as has already been pointed out, all a semi-automatic does is move the next bullet into the chamber and cock itself. Therefore, a standard weapon and a smei-auto is more of a difference in convenience. That's your Third Strike.

Well excuse me for not owning a firearm or not knowing the logistics of guns... SHOOT ME! I may not understand if the side locks when the bullet enters the next chamber or whatever, but I have seen the effects of guns. Columbine massacre. Port Arthur massacre. Drive-by shootings. Need I go on?

Are you stupid? Have you ever seen what a wild animal can do to a man? No one has ever used their barehands to hunt. Fourth Strike.

Then why hunt? Why kill an animal that has no chance of killing you when you can pump it full of lead. Take a suggestion from a post beforehand. Use a bow and arrow. Use a blow dart. Use something that gives the animal as much chance as you. Then it's 'sport'.

I hate to repeat myself, but:
Are you stupid?
How do you expect to save your life with kung fu. I've got news for you buddy, it won't work. The Boxers in the Boxer Rebellion thought that their non-weapon combat abilities could guide them to victory against gun-totting Europeans, guess what happened to them? A gun will protect you not only because of its combat ability, but because people are less liekly to commit crimes in a neighborhood where the people are known to be armed and dangerous. This is Strike Five.

Liekly... I won't jump on you for that but what I will jump on you for is for not knowing the effects of INTERNAL styles of kung fu. Ever seen Kiss Of The Dragon where he uses accupunture needles in certain pressure points. Pressure point striking will indeed kill a man quickly, but think about this. Do you really need to kill a man because he takes a swing at me? No. Do I need to kill a man for attacking me with a knife? No. He needs the living crap beaten out of him, sure but he doesn't need to die from a bullet wound. What about a guy with a gun? I think anyone in their right minds will just smile and nod when someone points a gun at them and asks for their wallet. Kung fu will not help you catch bullets with your teeth but shootings happen often from someone taking a swing or attacking with a knife. Totally unecessary deaths. But I digress.

Well lemmesee Five Strikes to your credibility in one post, three ignorant remarks about guns, conjugation errors, and lack of consistent arguement.
I certainly hope you're covered for when you're reality check bounces.

Now that I've corrected you it's No Strikes to credibility, one ignorant remark about guns (sorry for not wanting to shoot my fellow man), and plenty of consistent argument. But try and fight the power brother because evil government officials will try and take away your guns sooner or later. Perhaps you should shoot them.

That's right. People are fat and happy as long as the social programs keep running and keep everyone comfortable. Eventually, however, things will get nasty; and if we don't have the rifles to form a firing squad then we're in a world of hurt. People need to understand that the American government is revolutionary in nature. Through their notes and memoires it was very apparent that our Founding Fathers considered firearms a necessity to ensure freedom for its citizens in the face of a corrupt or controlling government. You give up the guns, you give up your bargaining power.

People like you scare me... Really, really scare me. :eek: Did you also point out that your founding fathers were bloody slave owners and said the right to bear arms. By all rights a person should be able to own hydrogen bombs, they are arms. Do you think every Tom, Dick, Harry or Jim-Bob if you will should own a bloody H-Bomb? I think not. Also look up the works of Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr to realise that you don't even need violence to overcome opposition.