NationStates Jolt Archive

Check out this map:
http://www.bartcop.com/message-from-God.gif

On it, the Florida counties are colored to reflect who they voted for in the 2000 election. The paths of hurricanes Charley, Frances, and Ivan are overlaid on the map. Notice how the storms swerved to avoid Gore areas in several places. Frances in particular managed to squeeze through the narrow gap between two Gore counties, leaving the "godless" liberals in Palm Beach relatively unscathed.

How much clearer does He need to be, folks? God doesn't like people who vote for Bush!

Check out this map:
http://www.bartcop.com/message-from-God.gif

On it, the Florida counties are colored to reflect who they voted for in the 2000 election. The paths of hurricanes Charley, Frances, and Ivan are overlaid on the map. Notice how the storms swerved to avoid Gore areas in several places. Frances in particular managed to squeeze through the narrow gap between two Gore counties, leaving the "godless" liberals in Palm Beach relatively unscathed.

How much clearer does He need to be, folks? God doesn't like people who vote for Bush!
Saw it before but yeah its funny coincidence.

LOL, there ya go.

lol, cool.
interesting though..
hope the bush fans get the message.. :p

Actually some of those counties marked in red, voted for Gore in 2000.

No no, the real cause is the "evil" librals! They're so smarts so they made the hurricanies to kill the God-loving christains of Flordia. THEY MUST ALL BE SENT TO GUANTANAMO!!!!!!

PS BUSH AND DICK ARE MY FAVORITE PRESIDENTS!

This map has skewed the storm data to show an inaccurate but funny joke about the hurricanes. Some of the counties that voted Gore were hit hard by the hurricanes, so such a map is useless.

Actually some of those counties marked in red, voted for Gore in 2000.
Actually, we may never know the whole truth. With Bush overturning the Presidential Records Act, I am sure the true story of the election in Florida will be a "state secret" for a long time.

Hey, why did Pres. Bush refuse to let the UN elections monitors come to florida for the 2002 election?

(BTW, i live in Punta Gorda, which took a direct hit from Cat4 Charley. We are still digging out. And this is definitely a conservative community with the median age being 63 )

Dont blame me, i didnt vote for Bush. hahaha, and now you mention it, i still have a roof. most of it anyway.

This has been posted before and it's been debunked by Snopes.

http://snopes.com/politics/bush/hurricane.asp

Already posted, already disproved by snopes.

Edit: nvm ^

Check out this map:
http://www.bartcop.com/message-from-God.gif

On it, the Florida counties are colored to reflect who they voted for in the 2000 election. The paths of hurricanes Charley, Frances, and Ivan are overlaid on the map. Notice how the storms swerved to avoid Gore areas in several places. Frances in particular managed to squeeze through the narrow gap between two Gore counties, leaving the "godless" liberals in Palm Beach relatively unscathed.

How much clearer does He need to be, folks? God doesn't like people who vote for Bush!
Interesting but I thought God didn't worry about elections as he gave everyone free will. Now if every one who voted for Bush and died before this and went to Hell, then something is going on. Oh and I'm for Bush!

Ok ok, we've learned our lesson. We'll learn how to cast a vote this time. Can you please lay off the hurricanes now? With the fourth one set to hit tonight, it's getting old.

Ok ok, we've learned our lesson. We'll learn how to cast a vote this time. Can you please lay off the hurricanes now? With the fourth one set to hit tonight, it's getting old.
Yeah...the sky is all wild looking--blue and pink and purple and grey, in the sureal half light of dusk. Wind is getting restless, too.

Interesting but I thought God didn't worry about elections as he gave everyone free will. Now if every one who voted for Bush and died before this and went to Hell, then something is going on. Oh and I'm for Bush!
The law is a type of free will. You have a choice to break the law or not to break the law.
If you choose wrongly, God can punish you. That is what sins are about lol

By the way the link is half right. Ivan it said did only hit Bush counties but Charlie did hit a couple Gore ones.

that's hysterical. people actually posting links to make sure everyone knows this theory has been REFUTED as if it could be taken seriously. As if anything involving God could be verified scientifically. This WAS done by God and THAT wasn't.

It's a joke, people, kinda like my name. A humorous irony.

Not to offend any of you who actually believe that thunderbolts are thrown at people by god....

that's hysterical. people actually posting links to make sure everyone knows this theory has been REFUTED as if it could be taken seriously. As if anything involving God could be verified scientifically. This WAS done by God and THAT wasn't.

It's a joke, people, kinda like my name. A humorous irony.

Not to offend any of you who actually believe that thunderbolts are thrown at people by god....
No Angels, God has the ability to delegate.

If you choose wrongly, God can punish you. That is what sins are about lol

So are you saying anyone who suffers tragedy deserves it?

I have heard this argument before. AIDS is god's punishment for gays. so how do you explain that women and babies get it? Haven't you ever known anyone who died or was paralyzed in an accident by a drunk driver? DId they deserve that? Is that punishment?

And since no one is without sin, then we ALL get punished by god? oh Yay.

And this is the faith you hold onto for comfort? Maybe you should explore something less punitive.

No Angels, God has the ability to delegate.
ohh...i see...

ROFLMAO

stop, it hurts!

So are you saying anyone who suffers tragedy deserves it?

I have heard this argument before. AIDS is god's punishment for gays. so how do you explain that women and babies get it? Haven't you ever known anyone who died or was paralyzed in an accident by a drunk driver? DId they deserve that? Is that punishment?

And since no one is without sin, then we ALL get punished by god? oh Yay.

And this is the faith you hold onto for comfort? Maybe you should explore something less punitive.
Nope that is a ad hoc/fallacy statemetn you made.
You assume that one statement is the other.

No AIDS is US's punishment for gays. It was developed as a way to control people.
No, I'm sorry Drunk drivers aren't God's fault. They shouldn't have chosen to drink. Don't worry if they killed anyone thats more sin they accumulate.
By the wat death isn't so bad. Its ther living that is the hard part.
You forget asking for Forgiveness and baptism clean one of previous sins. More so baptism but still you can ask for forgiveness and if sincere get it.


Try to think up your statements better please.
Don't make it easy to discount you. I like challenges :)

ohh...i see...

ROFLMAO

stop, it hurts!
and yes that was a joke :)

Don't get me wrong. I believe in forces that are beyond rational explanation.

But that's what's so funny. I KNOW they are beyond rational explanation and am not trying to make a scientific debate on proof or refutation of whether some hurricane was an intentional act of god, when its clearly irony.

This map has skewed the storm data to show an inaccurate but funny joke about the hurricanes. Some of the counties that voted Gore were hit hard by the hurricanes, so such a map is useless.

True, but the hurricanes still hit ^_^

I don't think God had many options when it comes to smiting something the size of Florida. If they hit Gore supporters, chalk it up to collateral damage :D

that's hysterical. people actually posting links to make sure everyone knows this theory has been REFUTED as if it could be taken seriously. As if anything involving God could be verified scientifically. This WAS done by God and THAT wasn't.

It's a joke, people, kinda like my name. A humorous irony.

Not to offend any of you who actually believe that thunderbolts are thrown at people by god....

If not God, then.....Karma? :D

You forget asking for Forgiveness and baptism clean one of previous sins. More so baptism but still you can ask for forgiveness and if sincere get it.


if it makes you feel more connected to all living creatures, i'm all for it.

So, let me get this straight, if i am a bit of a gambler, i can live a life of total corruption and debauchery as long as i live long enough to feel bad about it?

and some water and chanting is going to take away all the horror and misery i put into the world? cleanse my sins?

Oh i get it, if i feel bad about it, i get to not be responsible for what i did. It's just the victims of my 'sins' that have to deal with the consequences, and well, they deserve their bad luck anyway, they are sinners and god is punishing them.

i dont really want to have this debate. i just thought it was funny that someone wanted to actually have the debate over whether god did or did not intentionally inflict these hurricanes on Florida for voting for Bush. AND posted links! hahahahaha killing me.

BUt i see now what i read somewhere earlier...you have to be humorless to be an extremist.

i accept you just don't get the humor. i give up. UNCLE!

Lol.....nice

This new one is probably gonna skim Miami, and thus hit a Democratic portion of Florida. But the first three did stay strictly to Republican counties, if that map is to be believed. Not that that means anything at all. Even I don't give a crap, and I'm a Democrat.

You know, for all the talk about the "debunking" of the map and everything, it's awfully funny that the most heavily Democratic parts of the state--Broward and Dade and Palm Beach counties--have seen the least amount of hurricane action this year. The west coast of Florida? Karl. The panhandle? Ivan. The northern east coast? Both Frances and Jeanne. And Ivan smacked around traditionally Republican parts of other states as well--the gulf coasts of Alabama and Mississippi, and my favorite, part of it swung around, strengthened in the Gulf back to tropical storm status and then went ashore in Texas. Ivan was pissed.

Now please, take all of this completely tongue in cheek--that, after all, is the way Bottle portrayed it in the opening post on this thread. It's just coincidence, after all, right? Right? :D

This new one is probably gonna skim Miami, and thus hit a Democratic portion of Florida. But the first three did stay strictly to Republican counties, if that map is to be believed. Not that that means anything at all. Even I don't give a crap, and I'm a Democrat.Here's the satellite map. (http://weather.sun-sentinel.com/radar/mixedcomposite.asp?region=d5&size=2x&type=loop) Miami will get some light wind and rain, and Broward county will get some heavier rain and wind--my in-laws live there, so I'm keeping track--but the majority of the heavy wind and rain will pass north of there.

It ' s funny Tropical Montana , because whilst everyone else on here , ( who I presume are firm believers in God ? ) are typing his name with a capital ... I think you are the only one who isn ' t .... ? Don ' t you think that really says something about what you personally believe , ( believe in ? ) ..... ?


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I'm hoping Jeanne loses strength as it crosses the state.

Not that there is really anything left after Charley and Frances that is going to blow down/blow off that hasn't already. No more tall trees to fall on anything.

This has been posted before and it's been debunked by Snopes.

http://snopes.com/politics/bush/hurricane.asp
Debunked? Geez, man, you got no class.
While they're at "it", they should "debunk" whether Bush was chosen by God to do what he's doing to us.

Debunked? Geez, man, you got no class.
While they're at "it", they should "debunk" whether Bush was chosen by God to do what he's doing to us.
Yes Bush as been debunked too. You just forgot to get the memo. :)

True, but the hurricanes still hit ^_^

I don't think God had many options when it comes to smiting something the size of Florida. If they hit Gore supporters, chalk it up to collateral damage :D
God ("God") not having many options?
That's a curious depiction .... reminds me of something Einstein queried once about the "universe".
At this point in my existence, this post is funny, btw.

Yes Bush as been debunked too. You just forgot to get the memo. :)
D'rat, i thought i had to register Republican, vote absentee and pay for any personal attendances to get any sincere anything from Bush & co! Not even a memo? Now i guess i have to watch CBS or something to get updated ... or read Buckhead's (Harry W. MacDougald of Atlanta) Freerepublic.com since FOUR hours is long enough to miss something!

It ' s funny Tropical Montana , because whilst everyone else on here , ( who I presume are firm believers in God ? ) are typing his name with a capital ... I think you are the only one who isn ' t .... ? Don ' t you think that really says something about what you personally believe , ( believe in ? ) ..... ?


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Absolutely.

The truth is, I find having to use the word God is a convention-- for convenience sake ,to mean that third-person entity that some people believe controls everything, knows everything.

I have a more eastern view of god-ness which is first person plural.

The sum of WE=God

that's why the view of god as a third person entity, outside of ourselves is absurd to me. It denies our own creative force. and our own responsibility for what is created. Blame it on someone else, when that someone else is YOU.

If you read accounts of Jesus' philosophy when he came back from his seven years in the desert, studying with the eastern monks, the parts about "that which you do to the least of my people, you do to me..."

It all fits. My personal preference of terms is Tao, or Oneness. But most people here are more comfortable making him a dude with a name.

Well..well...don't leave out big D Devil...he's all bad. Don't blame God for your sorrows...God is good. I know it's tough sometimes but we all eat from the same plate. Some people wanna praise God and curse Him in the same sentence. God is a God of hope and good..not of defeated and evil. If things are going good..praise God for it..cause sometimes there's nothing better. If it's going really bad..ask for help..He's always there. He gave us all free will so something is bound to go wrong..He just wants to see who you trust: God, Yourself, or Satan. That's the simple part. It only gets complicated when you start doubting everything. Statements such as: "Oh, how do I know if this is even true or not?" or..yeah.."Weak people use that as an excuse just to not face reality."

I don't know all about skewed weather maps or actual voting counties...whether proven or disproven...but when people see 4 Hurricanes as a reminder of who to vote for...uh..right..sure...and how many people died?...It's just math everyone...it's all going in motion..and at one point or another...through multiple reactionaries..people will perish..basically...you're either ready or you're not. So..I'm definitely not going to use this as a "Sign" rather I pray that all those families receive help and a hope to go on and live their lives.

Having read and appreciated quite a few of Bottle's posts b4, i'm curious how long this thread's gonna go before it reaches Bottle's desired result ....
;)

if it makes you feel more connected to all living creatures, i'm all for it.

So, let me get this straight, if i am a bit of a gambler, i can live a life of total corruption and debauchery as long as i live long enough to feel bad about it?

and some water and chanting is going to take away all the horror and misery i put into the world? cleanse my sins?

Oh i get it, if i feel bad about it, i get to not be responsible for what i did. It's just the victims of my 'sins' that have to deal with the consequences, and well, they deserve their bad luck anyway, they are sinners and god is punishing them.

i dont really want to have this debate. i just thought it was funny that someone wanted to actually have the debate over whether god did or did not intentionally inflict these hurricanes on Florida for voting for Bush. AND posted links! hahahahaha killing me.

BUt i see now what i read somewhere earlier...you have to be humorless to be an extremist.

i accept you just don't get the humor. i give up. UNCLE!


Yeah but remember I said Sincere . You can't kinda feel bad and then it forgiven. It has to be totallt sincere, change of heart, repening, never do it again in mind and heart/body type of sincere. Total turnning away from past ways.
And sometimes we have more challenges to face. But remember the more hard your life is the more rewarding the reward as long as you stay good.

It isn't weird that 4 hurricanes, so far, have hit Florida in a 2 month span, it is weird, however, that one of them regenerated in the Gulf and hit Texas.

Maybe a better Conspiracy: Hurricanes hate America. :)

Yeah but remember I said Sincere . You can't kinda feel bad and then it forgiven. It has to be totallt sincere, change of heart, repening, never do it again in mind and heart/body type of sincere. Total turnning away from past ways.
And sometimes we have more challenges to face. But remember the more hard your life is the more rewarding the reward as long as you stay good.
i think at the end of time, we fill out our own evaluations. That's why free will, that's why the tree of knowledge of good and evil. We choose our own paths, and create our realities with the choices we make in conjunction with the world around us.(chrisitian equivalent = he who has the faith as a grain of mustard seed...")

So please dont anyone think that i am some devil worshipper or atheist when i find your explanation of God quaint. It just sounds so much like the stories they told in mythology class about Zeus and Athena. Back in the day, it was Zeus who "smited" with a thunderbolt. Can you imagine how pagan Christianity looks to someone with a Tao of Physics approach?

i think at the end of time, we fill out our own evaluations. That's why free will, that's why the tree of knowledge of good and evil. We choose our own paths, and create our realities with the choices we make in conjunction with the world around us.(chrisitian equivalent = he who has the faith as a grain of mustard seed...")

So please dont anyone think that i am some devil worshipper or atheist when i find your explanation of God quaint. It just sounds so much like the stories they told in mythology class about Zeus and Athena. Back in the day, it was Zeus who "smited" with a thunderbolt. Can you imagine how pagan Christianity looks to someone with a Tao of Physics approach?
Remember he who has the faith as a grain of mustard seed can move mountains. That pretty powerful stuff.
Except you already arranged for your main stumbling blocks and disabilities in Heaven. The more disabilities and problems you agreed to have the better your mansion in heaven, most of us didn't count on life being as hard as it got though.

So God is pissed at Florida over the 2000 election,
so God is going to hit and punish the counties that voted for Bush
so God is going to innocently also hurt the people in those counties
that voted for Gore.

I happen to know and work with democrats who also got hurt
or had damage two thier homes during these terrible storms.

I work with a husband and wife who are democrats that live
in a trailer stayed in the trailer during the storm
and were scared for dear life as the trailer shock.

My next door neighgbors a good decent
african american family of democrats
had a big huge tree taken literally right
out of the ground all over their yard,
at my house a bad Bush republican
no damage at all to the house.

How do you all explain that?

May have more to do with how FEW blue counties there are.

And why do I have to be purple? I don't like purple. It isn't even on the flag! Blue is on the flag, but purple isn't. Why couldnt we be red or white? Why PURPLE?

Blah

Joke, this is Heck Hell.
Heck Hell, this is a joke.

Now let's all laugh and get on with our lives.

Remember he who has the faith as a grain of mustard seed can move mountains. That pretty powerful stuff.
Except you already arranged for your main stumbling blocks and disabilities in Heaven. The more disabilities and problems you agreed to have the better your mansion in heaven, most of us didn't count on life being as hard as it got though.
Heaven is a state of mind. The human, beginning with the eating of the apple of the tree of knowledge became self-aware, and thus was expelled from the Garden of Eden.

To use a cyber-metaphor, Adam and Eve "disconnected" from the mainframe and assumed independent ego-centric identities. In such a disconnected state, of course they lost the ability to infinitely expand that they had when 'connected' and part of the Whole.

As self-aware beings, we enter the space-time continuum in order to act out learningful ideas in a four-dimentional space that can be processed by our tiny brains.

The trick to entering 'heaven' is to re-connect with the whole, discarding the point of view of your ego. VERY HARD TO DO. Most people have to die to achieve it. But moments of heaven can be achieved while alive. WE choose.

Firstly let me point out that hurricanes are much, much wider than a thin line as shown in the image. A hurricane that follows that path would (and did) have effects just about al over Florida.

Second, Palm Beach is going to get hit by Jeanne.

Third, the fact that Ivan left Florida for a state that voted Bush in 2000 is the most ludicrous supporting evidence that I have heard since somebody pointed to the fact that Rumsfeld was at the opposite side of the Pentagon on 9/11 as evidence that it was a conspiracy (excuse the run-on sentence). Most states in that area are primarily 'Red States' and it should be no surprised. Heck, in liberal New England we were drenched in rain for a few days when Ivan drew near.

not laughing any more, but still finding it amusing how many people actually think this needs to be debunked.

jeezusgod, it's IRONY, people. A joke. humor.

I bet you guys aren't any fun to watch David Letterman with.

Is this thread really a joke
was that its purpose
I missed the joke
to joke about a terrible storm
and what it did to many innocent people.

Sorry, I thought I had my computer set on 'Sarcastic Font' not 'Rightious Indignation Font'

Maybe because I am likely the only person here whos home was severly damaged in one of those storms people think I may have difficulty finding this funny. Or it could be that I am also one of the few, if not only, who has gone to the homes of widows and elderly repairing roofs and cleaning water out (even still!), helping them gather the few possesions they have that are not black and green with mildew or crushed into bits, that I am not in a laughing mood.

Nah, that map was pretty farking funny! Anyone bother to count the blue to, er, um, magenta counties? What was it, like two to one?

THAT was funny.

Do you know how many Plam Beach voters it takes to screw in a light bulb?

Only one, just be careful he does not accidentally screw in Pat Buchannon instead!

Who knew that the map was really just a barameter(sp) for people's sense of humor.

I understand a little bit. If you believe that Bush rules on a mandate from god, then you'd have to 'debunk' something like this, even if the person who put it together was just kidding. Actually, it makes it funnier, so knock yourselves out.

I opologize I am not feeling
good about post 49.
Heck.

And I liked Bozzy post 50

Sorry, I thought I had my computer set on 'Sarcastic Font' not 'Rightious Indignation Font'

Maybe because I am likely the only person here whos home was severly damaged in one of those storms people think I may have difficulty finding this funny. Or it could be that I am also one of the few, if not only, who has gone to the homes of widows and elderly repairing roofs and cleaning water out (even still!), helping them gather the few possesions they have that are not black and green with mildew or crushed into bits, that I am not in a laughing mood.
Bozzy, I'm sorry about your home being damaged. I've been there myself, and I have family in that area, and so I joke to ease the tension. My nephew is on life-support and so my in-laws have to take extreme precautions whenever there's a chance the power will go out. He has battery backups for his equipment, but you can never be too careful. I hope you make it through this one okay.

Edit--by "been there myself" I mean that I've been through my share of hurricanes. I grew up in south Louisiana, in an area known affectionately in my youth as "Hurricane Alley."

I apologize - correct spelling
heck.

You know, for all the talk about the "debunking" of the map and everything, it's awfully funny that the most heavily Democratic parts of the state--Broward and Dade and Palm Beach counties--have seen the least amount of hurricane action this year. The west coast of Florida? Karl. The panhandle? Ivan. The northern east coast? Both Frances and Jeanne. And Ivan smacked around traditionally Republican parts of other states as well--the gulf coasts of Alabama and Mississippi, and my favorite, part of it swung around, strengthened in the Gulf back to tropical storm status and then went ashore in Texas. Ivan was pissed.

Now please, take all of this completely tongue in cheek--that, after all, is the way Bottle portrayed it in the opening post on this thread. It's just coincidence, after all, right? Right? :D
dude, i cannot BELIEVE that people took that initial post seriously. it is a sad day indeed when people assume somebody could seriously believe that God is sending storms to punish non-believers. we are not in the Dark Ages people.

i guess i forgot my audience. to me, it is so clearly and obviously a joke that i didn't keep in mind the religious people on the forums. see, to me the idea of God doing ANYTHING is a joke, so the idea of him using tropical storms as a belated way to protest the 2000 election is even funnier. but i forgot that there are people who believe God allowed his child to be tortured to death so He'd be able to forgive humans for breaking the rules that He made up in the first place, so i guess compared to that belief it wouldn't be silly to think that meteorological phenomenon are being controlled by the Almighty.

Sorry, I thought I had my computer set on 'Sarcastic Font' not 'Rightious Indignation Font'

Maybe because I am likely the only person here whos home was severly damaged in one of those storms people think I may have difficulty finding this funny. Or it could be that I am also one of the few, if not only, who has gone to the homes of widows and elderly repairing roofs and cleaning water out (even still!), helping them gather the few possesions they have that are not black and green with mildew or crushed into bits, that I am not in a laughing mood.

and you would be totally wrong in your assumption. though my home wasn't damaged (since i really don't have a home, as such, just a temporary way point right now), my aunt and uncle lost their entire house when a tree was essentially flung through it like a javalin. i went down to Florida to help them gather what was left of their life and make a move back closer to the rest of our family, and while i was down there i helped a number of the neighbors with their own repairs; my experience working for Habbitat for Humanity was quickly discovered and enlisted.

and i still think it's funny. not all humor is insults, you realize, and you can laugh at things that also make you cry.

But you have to admit
I debunked it good.

That is NOT funny, anyway. Have you forgotten that people have died in these storms, including a little 8-year-old girl who would've been 4 or 5 at the time of the election?

Would you like to tell this crap to her parents? I highly doubt it.