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Walmart bows to pressure groups, and stops selling classic book

Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 05:25
http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/24/news/fortune500/walmart_judaism.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes


shame on them, the cowards. how will the honest decent, salt of the earth americans who shop at walmart learn the truth about our world.
Colodia
25-09-2004, 05:26
Erm....I dont know bout anyone else...but I go to Walmart because they're closer than Target...about a 5 minute freeway drive closer.
Jever Pilsener
25-09-2004, 05:30
They can always go get a copy of: Mein Kampf.
Alpha Orion
25-09-2004, 05:30
What's wrong with Wally World taking a nutbag book off the sale pile? They don't sell other crackpot religious texts either, like the Book of Mormon or The Witches Bible (take your pick of whatever "witches bible"; they're all crackpot). Of course they DO sell one crackpot religious text...the Koran.
Hajekistan
25-09-2004, 05:35
I certainly hope the peopl here are joking. The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion has been exxpossed as a fake peice of anti-semitic trash for years. Really, if I wrote a book that was called My Years as a Brain Dead Transvestite Whore and Crack Addict, by Nationalist Valhalla, and I tried to puch it off as real, you would be suing for libel. Why shouldn't the Jews have the same right to see that this worthless crap isn't spread any farther than can be prevented?
Bahania
25-09-2004, 05:36
What kind of lazy, stupid piece of crap are you if you're buying ANY books from Wal-Mart, of all places? You shouldn't get your bible there, your romantic crapnovel there, or your disgusting, racist books there.

:sniper:
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 05:41
I certainly hope the peopl here are joking. The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion has been exxpossed as a fake peice of anti-semitic trash for years. Really, if I wrote a book that was called My Years as a Brain Dead Transvestite Whore and Crack Addict, by Nationalist Valhalla, and I tried to puch it off as real, you would be suing for libel. Why shouldn't the Jews have the same right to see that this worthless crap isn't spread any farther than can be prevented?

come on we all know this text, first brought to the public's attention by the diligent investigations of the russian government is true in all its essentually. only an endless smear campaign by the zionists conspirators has kept this text from gaining wide acceptance in the west. in the middle east and south asia almost all serious scholars accept this book as factual and accurate.
Tremalkier
25-09-2004, 05:45
come on we all know this text, first brought to the public's attention by the diligent investigations of the russian government is true in all its essentually. only an endless smear campaign by the zionists conspirators has kept this text from gaining wide acceptance in the west. in the middle east and south asia almost all serious scholars accept this book as factual and accurate.
*cough* nazi bull *cough*


*Looks stunned*
Did I say something? All I see if a giant pile of bovine waste.
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 05:48
*Looks stunned*
Did I say something? All I see if a giant pile of bovine waste.

not surprising seeing all the mindless cattle blindly following their zionist masters into the mental slaughterhouse and mass spiritual castration center
Mentholyptus
25-09-2004, 05:53
in the middle east and south asia almost all serious scholars accept this book as factual and accurate.
Yes, and they also thought that Israel was responsible for 9/11. Which is, of course, bullshit. It's a proven forgery, so stop whining about it.
Free Soviets
25-09-2004, 05:54
what the hell was walmart doing selling that crap? like, i know that walmart is a rather large corporate criminal, but what the hell?

oh well, just another good reason to drive construction equipment through their walls. as if we needed another.
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 05:55
Yes, and they also thought that Israel was responsible for 9/11. Which is, of course, bullshit. It's a proven forgery, so stop whining about it.
proven by who? you state this as fact but where is the evidence?
Mentholyptus
25-09-2004, 05:59
NV, the minute you start using real evidence is the minute I'll start citing my sources. Or the minute you renounce your racist tripe, whichever comes first.

EDIT: And by the way, NV, "spiritual castration center?" What do you mean by that? And what about us Atheists, are we to be spiritually re-castrated or something?
Incertonia
25-09-2004, 06:04
You know, I never thought I would have anything good to say about Wal-Mart again, but congratulations to them on doing this. Now if they'd just pay their average worker a living wage....
UltimateEnd
25-09-2004, 06:07
They can always go get a copy of: Mein Kampf.
I wouldn't doubt that they have tried
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 06:07
NV, the minute you start using real evidence is the minute I'll start citing my sources. Or the minute you renounce your racist tripe, whichever comes first.

EDIT: And by the way, NV, "spiritual castration center?" What do you mean by that? And what about us Atheists, are we to be spiritually re-castrated or something?
so you can't prove your claim that the text is a fake, you've just heard it repeated so many times you "know" it must be true.

as for your castration, i'm sure it was completed long ago, the scars probably don't even itch anymore, do they little steer?
Chodolo
25-09-2004, 06:07
LMAO @ "spiritual castration" :p
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 06:09
You know, I never thought I would have anything good to say about Wal-Mart again, but congratulations to them on doing this. Now if they'd just pay their average worker a living wage....
and if frogs had wings they won't smack their fannies on the ground so much.
Kryozerkia
25-09-2004, 06:11
While it is a racist piece of literature, by removing and banning such literature, faceless entities of whom we have never heard and will likely never meet are deciding what we can and can't read. This implies that we as a people are too immature to handle such literature.

I think that in some cases it is true. But, if you keep something banned, people will remain ignorant to it.

Overall, I think that it should be accessible. By not banning it, the action is saying we acknowledge history and we are willing to accept both the good and the bad that come with it. If we are mature enough as a society, we can accept that such things exist even if they are politically incorrect; even if we disapprove of it.
Mentholyptus
25-09-2004, 06:13
so you can't prove your claim that the text is a fake, you've just heard it repeated so many times you "know" it must be true.

as for your castration, i'm sure it was completed long ago, the scars probably don't even itch anymore, do they little steer?
1. You're flaming.
2. You still haven't responded with any evidence. You initially claimed that the Protocols were factual. I've said that I'll back up my stuff as soon as you back up yours, though I don't know how much difference it will make, since you will call any source of mine "part of the evil Zionist conspiracy," or something to that affect. And there are probably no anti-Semitic groups who will admit that the Protocols are a fake, hence I won't get any evidence you'll accept.
3. Didn't you say it was "spiritual castration?" Since when would a metaphysical vasectomy leave scars, or make me into a "steer?"
New Granada
25-09-2004, 06:15
If we are mature enough as a society, we can accept that such things exist even if they are politically incorrect; even if we disapprove of it.


Jesus Christ! Where do you live? Mature society? the United states? HAAhahahahaha
Free Soviets
25-09-2004, 06:16
While it is a racist piece of literature, by removing and banning such literature, faceless entities of whom we have never heard and will likely never meet are deciding what we can and can't read. This implies that we as a people are too immature to handle such literature.

I think that in some cases it is true. But, if you keep something banned, people will remain ignorant to it.

Overall, I think that it should be accessible. By not banning it, the action is saying we acknowledge history and we are willing to accept both the good and the bad that come with it. If we are mature enough as a society, we can accept that such things exist even if they are politically incorrect; even if we disapprove of it.

nobody is banning anything. have you seen the amount of shelf space for books at a walmart? we aren't talking about a bookstore here, we are talking about a place that has like 30 titles. why the hell should one of them be forged anti-semitic crap? i find it utterly bizarre that they were even stocking it in the first place. is the nazi market that good? or are they just expecting cross-overs from wacked out 'left behind' readers?
Chodolo
25-09-2004, 06:17
I wonder what spiritual castration is like.

Do you pray really hard and the man's balls just fall off? :confused:
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 06:18
1. You're flaming.
2. You still haven't responded with any evidence. You initially claimed that the Protocols were factual. I've said that I'll back up my stuff as soon as you back up yours, though I don't know how much difference it will make, since you will call any source of mine "part of the evil Zionist conspiracy," or something to that affect. And there are probably no anti-Semitic groups who will admit that the Protocols are a fake, hence I won't get any evidence you'll accept.
3. Didn't you say it was "spiritual castration?" Since when would a metaphysical vasectomy leave scars, or make me into a "steer?"

1. no i'm not
2. same here only in reverse.
3. it they snip it off it will certainly leave metaphysical scars on the inside, and castration is what makes a steer a steer.
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 06:21
I wonder what spiritual castration is like.

Do you pray really hard and the man's balls just fall off? :confused:

the jews(well technically it could be anyone but its usually the hebs) pollute your soul with their corruption until it shrivels and dies.
Incertonia
25-09-2004, 06:21
nobody is banning anything. have you seen the amount of shelf space for books at a walmart? we aren't talking about a bookstore here, we are talking about a place that has like 30 titles. why the hell should one of them be forged anti-semitic crap? i find it utterly bizarre that they were even stocking it in the first place. is the nazi market that good? or are they just expecting cross-overs from wacked out 'left behind' readers?
Besides--we're not talking about banning here. We're talking about a commercial decision by a bookseller. Let me guarantee everyone something--if it was selling enough to make any controversy worth it, that book would still be on the shelf, no question. Wal-mart lacks what you might call a social conscience--if it's bad for business, they don't do it, and controversy is bad for business.
Mentholyptus
25-09-2004, 06:25
1. no i'm not
2. same here only in reverse.
3. i really don't care about your gender or whether it requires a modified metaphorical construction. i'll assume you are an overweight basement dwelling manboy until proven otherwise.
1. Calling me "little steer" is definitely a flame. I am neither bovine nor a eunuch. Calling me an "overweight basement dwelling manboy" is just as bad.
2. Then, we shall have to find a source we both find relatively unbiased. That might be difficult, since you consider every mainstream news source, most Internet sources, and just about anything else biased in favor of your favorite international Jewish conspiracy.
3. "Overweight basement dwelling manboy?" You must be joking. I am not even close to overweight (5'10'' and ~140 pounds), nor do I live in a basement. I am a minor, hence I occupy the abode of my parents. That's all the personal information you'll be getting at the moment.

So, find me one professor at an accredited university in the Western world, not the mid-East or Southeast Asia who claims that the Protocols are factual, and I may just consider your point. Until I see the other 99.999% of professors at equally accredited schools who claim the Protocols are forged, and probably back it up with primary sources and archival documents.
Again, find me someone who isn't from an anti-Semitic hate group who vouches for the Protocols, and we may just have ourselves a real discussion here.

EDIT: Good job removing that other flame from your post. Doesn't mean you didnt' post it.
Industrial nazis
25-09-2004, 06:29
if everything offense was kept off the shelves then books would suck alot. can't make everybody happy, so for a place like wal-mart it mgiht depend. its kinda like springtime for hitler, offense and terrible but people still liked it :eek:
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 06:30
1. Calling me "little steer" is definitely a flame. I am neither bovine nor a eunuch. Calling me an "overweight basement dwelling manboy" is just as bad.
2. Then, we shall have to find a source we both find relatively unbiased. That might be difficult, since you consider every mainstream news source, most Internet sources, and just about anything else biased in favor of your favorite international Jewish conspiracy.
3. "Overweight basement dwelling manboy?" You must be joking. I am not even close to overweight (5'10'' and ~140 pounds), nor do I live in a basement. I am a minor, hence I occupy the abode of my parents. That's all the personal information you'll be getting at the moment.

So, find me one professor at an accredited university in the Western world, not the mid-East or Southeast Asia who claims that the Protocols are factual, and I may just consider your point. Until I see the other 99.999% of professors at equally accredited schools who claim the Protocols are forged, and probably back it up with primary sources and archival documents.
Again, find me someone who isn't from an anti-Semitic hate group who vouches for the Protocols, and we may just have ourselves a real discussion here.

EDIT: Good job removing that other flame from your post. Doesn't mean you didnt' post it.
actually i changed it cus i misread your post and therefore my reply didn't make sense. the whole steer thing is a continuation of the cattle metaphor from the beginning of the thread which was a response to a claim of b.s.
Harlesburg
25-09-2004, 06:35
*Didnt Walmart used to sell bullets until round about columbine
*The Nazi's said you couldnt read books and such they said they were lies so we should follow their example and destroy all books its irrelevant of the content everyone knows that people arent allowed opinion's or beliefs
*i read this from someones sig its from stalin hope its right
"Opinions are more dangerous than weapons,we dont let our enemies have weapons so why would we let them have opinions."
Grave_n_idle
25-09-2004, 06:36
actually i changed it cus i misread your post and therefore my reply didn't make sense. the whole steer thing is a continuation of the cattle metaphor from the beginning of the thread which was a response to a claim of b.s.

Which is all well and good, but he was right... you started the commentary, the burden of proof is on you to prove the factual nature of your argument.

Basically, you can pick one of two choices:

1) Present some real evidence, so that the point can be debated.
2) Cut your losses and clam-up, because, without evidence, all you have is racial slurs and religious rhetoric.
Mentholyptus
25-09-2004, 06:39
Which is all well and good, but he was right... you started the commentary, the burden of proof is on you to prove the factual nature of your argument.

Basically, you can pick one of two choices:

1) Present some real evidence, so that the point can be debated.
2) Cut your losses and clam-up, because, without evidence, all you have is racial slurs and religious rhetoric.
Why thank you! :)
Mentholyptus
25-09-2004, 06:44
This message is hidden because Fascist Ideals is on your ignore list.
Ah, bliss.

EDIT: I just read your post, Fascist Ideals, and for your magnanimous lack of psychotic conspiracy-theorism, I will un-ignore you. Congratulations on not being a total nut.
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 06:47
Which is all well and good, but he was right... you started the commentary, the burden of proof is on you to prove the factual nature of your argument.

Basically, you can pick one of two choices:

1) Present some real evidence, so that the point can be debated.
2) Cut your losses and clam-up, because, without evidence, all you have is racial slurs and religious rhetoric.
nope i don't think so
Grave_n_idle
25-09-2004, 06:48
Why thank you! :)

Most welcome...

I always wonder why people come into a 'debate' forum if they don't want to 'debate'... and I have come to the conclusion that some people have a prejudice they want to share, and don't want to let 'debate', 'reason', 'logic' or 'facts' interfere with their theories.
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 06:50
Ah, bliss.

EDIT: I just read your post, Fascist Ideals, and for your magnanimous lack of psychotic conspiracy-theorism, I will un-ignore you. Congratulations on not being a total nut.
ah my work is done here, hey FI nice work playing good cop ;)
Mentholyptus
25-09-2004, 06:51
Here's the truth about your beloved Protocols: I know they're Czarist bullshit, you know they're Czarist bullshit (regardless of your attempts to deny that, both to us and to yourself), and everyone else here knows they're Czarist bullshit. Even Fascist Ideals. So stop bitching about it. There is no conspiracy. The Holocaust happened. Jews are perfectly normal and decent human beings. So are liberals, socialists, atheists, Muslims, Buddhists, Catholics, and everyone else. I don't know why you're a bigot, I don't really care. Maybe you should find out, and try to correct the problem. Your own ignorance and intolerance won't help you get ahead in life.
Dettibok
25-09-2004, 06:52
come on we all know this text, first brought to the public's attention by the diligent investigations of the russian government is true in all its essentually. only an endless smear campaign by the zionists conspirators has kept this text from gaining wide acceptance in the west.So which is it? Do "we" know the text is true or don't we? I'll give you a hint: I for one would be quite surprised to learn that I know that the text is true.
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 06:52
Most welcome...

I always wonder why people come into a 'debate' forum if they don't want to 'debate'... and I have come to the conclusion that some people have a prejudice they want to share, and don't want to let 'debate', 'reason', 'logic' or 'facts' interfere with their theories.

this is actually the general discussion forum, i don't have to follow any rules of formal debate, or use any fancy shmancy "logic" or "reason", you intellectual elitist you.
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 06:54
So which is it? Do "we" know the text is true or don't we? I'll give you a hint: I for one would be quite surprised to learn that I know that the text is true.

always happy to be part of someones journey of self discovery
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 06:56
Last edited by Mentholyptus : Today at 5:53 AM. Reason: NV deleted his poorly-thought-out post, so I had to edit.
and you were getting a teeny bit flamey yourself there kiddo.
Mentholyptus
25-09-2004, 06:57
and you were getting a teeny bit flamey yourself there kiddo.
I'll acknowledge that, but at least I'm not impugning your testicular fortitude with insipid castration comments.
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 06:59
I'll acknowledge that, but at least I'm not impugning your testicular fortitude with insipid castration comments.

insipid, that was a lovely metaphorical chain, i beat it into the ground with sass and moxy if i do say so myself.
Grave_n_idle
25-09-2004, 07:00
nope i don't think so

Very eloquent... which part of my post were you 'not thinking' about?

Or is the 'not thinking' phrase the important part of the sentence?
PizzaPuss
25-09-2004, 07:00
so you can't prove your claim that the text is a fake, you've just heard it repeated so many times you "know" it must be true.

ooh, way to meet that challenge, NV!

:rolleyes:
Mentholyptus
25-09-2004, 07:01
insipid, that was a lovely metaphorical chain, i beat it into the ground with sass and moxy if i do say so myself.
Are we going to descend into the deepest, darkest caverns of frivolous metaphorical hell, or are we going to acknowledge the incorrigibility of all involved parties here and agree to terminate the debate?
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 07:02
ooh, way to meet that challenge, NV!

:rolleyes:

i liked it
;)
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 07:03
Very eloquent... which part of my post were you 'not thinking' about?

Or is the 'not thinking' phrase the important part of the sentence?

oh stop nitpicking, that part of the thread is so 15 minutes ago
Grave_n_idle
25-09-2004, 07:04
this is actually the general discussion forum, i don't have to follow any rules of formal debate, or use any fancy shmancy "logic" or "reason", you intellectual elitist you.

Excellent.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

You don't need to resort to 'logic or reason', and those that are 'confined' to such tools are 'intellectual elitists'.

This is the point where you help your case most by not talking any more.
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 07:05
Are we going to descend into the deepest, darkest caverns of frivolous metaphorical hell, or are we going to acknowledge the incorrigibility of all involved parties here and agree to terminate the debate?

yeah sure, i'm not really debating some much as randomly responding to new posts out of a twisted sense of duty and a propensity toward post padding.
Mentholyptus
25-09-2004, 07:06
oh stop nitpicking, that part of the thread is so 15 minutes ago
Yes, we're into Option 2 of end scenarios for debate here. We've passed the Flame Phase, and have entered "Making stupid comments for no particular reason other than to see how long we can go without returning to subject/flaming/getting shut down and also increase our postcounts" phase. Option 1 of end scenarios involves big red angry text and words that aren't even used on Jerry Springer, so foul are their connotations.
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 07:07
Excellent.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

You don't need to resort to 'logic or reason', and those that are 'confined' to such tools are 'intellectual elitists'.

This is the point where you help your case most by not talking any more.
i will not be silenced by your petty sophistry and decadent pseudointellectualism.
Impunia
25-09-2004, 07:08
Someone should make a Nation States issue out of this.
Mentholyptus
25-09-2004, 07:09
i will not be silenced by your petty sophistry and decadent pseudointellectualism.
Ooh, nice vocab there. You're still making a stupid argument that logic is somehow just a tool of the "intellectual elite," and doesn't need to be used, but nice vocab anyways.
Grave_n_idle
25-09-2004, 07:09
oh stop nitpicking, that part of the thread is so 15 minutes ago

Interesting... I made a post with three different points... you responded 'don't think so', but didn't clear up which point you were answering...

When queried, your response is that it is irrelevent, since it was 'so 15 minutes ago' (which also makes you the first Nazi cheerleader I have ever debated with)... which makes me wonder...

How is it you believe you know so much, if you lack the attention span to deal with a question raised only 15 minutes earlier?
Mentholyptus
25-09-2004, 07:09
Someone should make a Nation States issue out of this.
I'm on it.
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 07:10
Yes, we're into Option 2 of end scenarios for debate here. We've passed the Flame Phase, and have entered "Making stupid comments for no particular reason other than to see how long we can go without returning to subject/flaming/getting shut down and also increase our postcounts" phase. Option 1 of end scenarios involves big red angry text and words that aren't even used on Jerry Springer, so foul are their connotations.
yup, i perfer this option cus i rarely become emotionally invested in the debate... especially when i'm puppeteering a national socialist
Grave_n_idle
25-09-2004, 07:16
i will not be silenced by your petty sophistry and decadent pseudointellectualism.

Big words... but, I'm afraid, you misused them...

"Decadent" would imply that my 'sophistry' is in a state of decline...
"Sophistry" would imply that my argument was clever, but 'unsound' or 'misleading'..
and "pseudointellectualism" would mean that I was only 'pretending' intellectualism, whereas a better argument would have been to attack 'intellectualism' as a basis - you could have made the issue that some things cannot be solved by logic, for example.

Nice try, though.

And, I'm afraid you are misunderstanding my intention... I'm not trying to silence you... I would be very happy for you to provide evidence for your spurious claims so that it can be debated.

Your silence would be an acceptable alternative, IF you cannot provide evidence.
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 07:19
Interesting... I made a post with three different points... you responded 'don't think so', but didn't clear up which point you were answering...

When queried, your response is that it is irrelevent, since it was 'so 15 minutes ago' (which also makes you the first Nazi cheerleader I have ever debated with)... which makes me wonder...

How is it you believe you know so much, if you lack the attention span to deal with a question raised only 15 minutes earlier?
hey now my attention span is just fine, as to your original points....


oooow look a pretty shiny thing... shiny..
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 07:21
Big words... but, I'm afraid, you misused them...

"Decadent" would imply that my 'sophistry' is in a state of decline...
"Sophistry" would imply that my argument was clever, but 'unsound' or 'misleading'..
and "pseudointellectualism" would mean that I was only 'pretending' intellectualism, whereas a better argument would have been to attack 'intellectualism' as a basis - you could have made the issue that some things cannot be solved by logic, for example.

Nice try, though.

And, I'm afraid you are misunderstanding my intention... I'm not trying to silence you... I would be very happy for you to provide evidence for your spurious claims so that it can be debated.

Your silence would be an acceptable alternative, IF you cannot provide evidence.

yeah okay, but what about the shiny thing?
Mentholyptus
25-09-2004, 07:22
yeah okay, but what about the shiny thing?
You should probably eat it. Maybe it's mercury.
Grave_n_idle
25-09-2004, 07:24
You should probably eat it. Maybe it's mercury.

Now, THAT was funny.... I mean, HARSH, but funny....

:D
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 07:26
You should probably eat it. Maybe it's mercury.
mmm quicksilvery yet filled with heavy metal goodness
Mentholyptus
25-09-2004, 07:28
Well, that was fun, but it's getting late out here and I have other things to do...less interesting things, but other things nonetheless.
Nationalist Valhalla
25-09-2004, 07:30
Well, that was fun, but it's getting late out here and I have other things to do...less interesting things, but other things nonetheless.
nighty night
Hajekistan
25-09-2004, 07:55
yeah okay, but what about the shiny thing?
Do yoou have a source to document the existence of that shiny thing?
If not, it can't exist, and is just another part of the "3V1L J3W C0NSP1R4CY!!!one!!shift+one" and should be ignored at all costs.
Harlesburg
25-09-2004, 08:46
I read the book some time ago. It's actually a very interesting read, very popular in the middle-east I believe, easily obtained even in Gaza.

As a fascist, though, even I don't take the book seriously. The book states that Jews have a *conscious design* to take over the world. There's nothing like that going on. Jews have an enormous amount of economic and political influence in the United States, for sure, especially when you consider they are only 3% of the population here.

You can look at the dominance of Jews in the formulation of neoconservatism, and how that philosophy is ascendant in the Bush administration, and how Jews in that administration such as Perle, Wolfowitz etc were the prime movers of a senseless war against Iraq that was primarily for the purpose of protecting Israel, and if Bush wins the election the next target will be Iran, for the same reason.

But Jews wanting to take over the world? I don't think so. They just want to make sure Israel is kept safe. Even if that means the lives of gentiles have to be spent to ensure it.

Im not to up on the zionist oppression of the american people but isnt arie fleischer* jewish?
Soviet Haaregrad
25-09-2004, 09:00
What's wrong with Wally World taking a nutbag book off the sale pile? They don't sell other crackpot religious texts either, like the Book of Mormon or The Witches Bible (take your pick of whatever "witches bible"; they're all crackpot). Of course they DO sell one crackpot religious text...the Koran.

Yeah, they sell the bible too.

Crackpot religious texts gotta go.
Dettibok
25-09-2004, 09:58
always happy to be part of someones journey of self discoverySo we know, we just don't know that we know, and due to zionists conspirators some of us think that we know something quite different from what we know but are quite unaware that we know it? Or am I completely misreading what you are saying?
Sploddygloop
25-09-2004, 10:01
we all know
Clearly not everyone knows everything. You apparently don't know your arse from your elbow.
Nueva America
25-09-2004, 10:21
http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/24/news/fortune500/walmart_judaism.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes


shame on them, the cowards. how will the honest decent, salt of the earth americans who shop at walmart learn the truth about our world.

How the hell is it a classic? The article you posted says the book is false, infamous, and racist. The same is true of Amazon. Hell, I've never even heard of this thing. Stop posting misleading titles for your threads.
FutureExistence
25-09-2004, 10:33
How the hell is it a classic? The article you posted says the book is false, infamous, and racist. The same is true of Amazon. Hell, I've never even heard of this thing. Stop posting misleading titles for your threads.

You have to understand that from NV's point of view, it's a classic work of anti-Semitism, and as he's afraid of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy (or pretends to be, he might be faking), he calls the thing a classic.
For most of the rest of the world, it's a classic of nutcase publishing.
Arribastan
25-09-2004, 13:37
come on we all know this text, first brought to the public's attention by the diligent investigations of the russian government is true in all its essentually. only an endless smear campaign by the zionists conspirators has kept this text from gaining wide acceptance in the west. in the middle east and south asia almost all serious scholars accept this book as factual and accurate.
man, you cought us. Takeover begins next Tuesday, but don't tell anyone.
:rolleyes:
The-Libertines
25-09-2004, 13:53
Please don't feed the troll.
Bottle
25-09-2004, 13:57
wow, so all i have to do to get Walmart to pull a book is bitch a whole lot about how the book is bigotted, refuted by evidence, and offensive to many people?

cool! say bye-bye to the Bible, everyone, Walmart won't be selling it any more!
Daistallia 2104
25-09-2004, 14:06
How on earth did you make the logical leap from this:

http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/24/news/fortune500/walmart_judaism.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes

Wal-Mart ends anti-Semitic book sale
No. 1 retailer agrees to take tract off online market after complaints from Jewish leaders.

to this:

shame on them, the cowards. how will the honest decent, salt of the earth americans who shop at walmart learn the truth about our world.

One parties discontinuation of distribution of an item does not equal the prevention of it's distribution by any other party. Your claim is the equivilant of my stating that you prevent me from saying that book is a fraud because you won't say it's a fraud.
Bodies Without Organs
25-09-2004, 14:12
How the hell is it a classic? The article you posted says the book is false, infamous, and racist. The same is true of Amazon. Hell, I've never even heard of this thing.

It's not often that you get this tactic employed - using your own ignorance as evidence that your opinion is correct. I would say this deserves a 9/10 for panache, but sadly only a 1/10 for effectiveness.
Bodies Without Organs
25-09-2004, 14:14
how will the honest decent, salt of the earth americans who shop at walmart learn the truth about our world.

By using the computers they buy from Walmart to log onto to Stormfront?
Jeruselem
25-09-2004, 14:26
So when are "the Eternal Jew" DVDs going to be sold at Wal-Mart? :p
Conceptualists
25-09-2004, 16:26
So when are "the Eternal Jew" DVDs going to be sold at Wal-Mart? :p
Christmas. I heard they are having a two for one offer with the Triumph of the Will
OceanDrive
25-09-2004, 17:40
...the burden of proof is on you...Someone want to sell a Book....A group (The Jews and co.) Do want to have the book banned...or labeled as "Fake" or "Forgery"...

I say the Burden of proof...is on group that wants to ban the Book.
OceanDrive
25-09-2004, 18:05
Someone want to sell a Book....A group (The Jews and co.) Do want to have the book banned...or labeled as "Fake" or "Forgery"...

I say the Burden of proof...is on group that wants to ban the Book.
BTW, im not saying the Jewish comunity cannot denounce the Book as Anti-Jewish...

But the Rabys or Lobbies who coerced publishers into banning (or labeling) the book.... the Burden of proof is on them.
Superpower07
25-09-2004, 18:09
Ok, we all know the stupid book is fake, why does it matter if they sell it or not?
Dettibok
25-09-2004, 18:09
Someone want to sell a Book....A group (The Jews and co.) Do want to have the book banned...or labeled as "Fake" or "Forgery"...The latter is not at all the same thing as banning the book. Really. Walmart choosing not to sell the book is an indication that their book collection will have significant gaps, but, well duh.
Dakini
25-09-2004, 18:13
i don't shop at wal-mart anyways. they refuse to carry the morning after pill.

aside from that, the prices are the same as zellers so why the hell would i go out of my way to shop at wal-mart?

and also, since when is wal-mart a bookstore? last i checked they mostly carried trashy romance novels and junk.
Bodies Without Organs
25-09-2004, 18:14
So when are "the Eternal Jew" DVDs going to be sold at Wal-Mart?Christmas. I heard they are having a two for one offer with the Triumph of the Will

Is that the White Christmas boxset that we have heard so much about?
Keruvalia
25-09-2004, 18:20
if I wrote a book that was called My Years as a Brain Dead Transvestite Whore and Crack Addict, by Nationalist Valhalla

I'd know it was the truth and I'd buy 10 copies. :D
Daistallia 2104
25-09-2004, 18:55
i don't shop at wal-mart anyways. they refuse to carry the morning after pill.

aside from that, the prices are the same as zellers so why the hell would i go out of my way to shop at wal-mart?

and also, since when is wal-mart a bookstore? last i checked they mostly carried trashy romance novels and junk.

:) Thank you for demonstraiting why capitalism works.
Grave_n_idle
25-09-2004, 19:30
Someone want to sell a Book....A group (The Jews and co.) Do want to have the book banned...or labeled as "Fake" or "Forgery"...

I say the Burden of proof...is on group that wants to ban the Book.

We are talking about the burden of proof on 'whatever his name was', who was telling everyone the 'truth' about the jewish revolution. His argument was unsubstantiated, but, since the accusation was his.. the burden of proof IS on him.

Anyway, if the jewish community say this book is defamatory, and a lie - surely the accused 'liar' is the one who has to present his evidence.

Taking it to the extreme... if I said that you look like a dachsund (I have no way of knowing, never having met you)... I am the one who needs to provide evidence to back up that claim... it shouldn't come down to you having to prove that you DON'T look like a dachsund.
OceanDrive
25-09-2004, 19:39
if the jewish community say this book is defamatory, and a lie - surely the accused 'liar' is the one who has to present his evidence.If a non-Jewish group says the Holocaust books contain forged evidence, fake numbers....then Following YOUR logic....Walmart/Amazon would be required to include a disclaimer that the Holocaust is made out with fake numbers,forged evedence....unless the Writters can provide Hard Proof...

The Jewish have been accused to lie and exagerate the Holocaust...yet you will never see me supporting a Ban, or "labeling" of the Holocaust books.
Grave_n_idle
25-09-2004, 19:54
If a non-Jewish group says the Holocaust books contain forged evidence, fake numbers....then Following YOUR logic....Walmart/Amazon would be required to include a disclaimer that the Holocaust is made out with fake numbers,forged evedence....unless the Writters can provide Hard Proof...

The Jewish have been accused to lie and exagerate the Holocaust...yet you will never see me supporting a Ban, or "labeling" of the Holocaust books.

The 'Holocaust', as a series of events has a reasonable amount of evidence to support it. Statistics are hard to pinpoint, but I don't think there are many people who would deny that the Nazi party carried out prorgams of 'removal'... and those that argue against the holocaust are arguing AGAINST a whole weight of evidence, while bringing nothing to the table themselves.

If the Holocaust was in doubt, you are right: wal-mart should carry a disclaimer for it... and, once again IF the holocaust were in doubt, and someone wrote a book about the reality of the holocaust, the BURDEN of proof would be on the writer, to prove that it happened.
Letila
25-09-2004, 20:03
If you want anti-semetic literature so bad, The Merchant of Venice and Oliver Twist are still legal.
Bodies Without Organs
25-09-2004, 20:58
If you want anti-semetic literature so bad, The Merchant of Venice and Oliver Twist are still legal.

Have you actually read either of these works?

You and I have covered the Merchant of Venice territory several times, so I won't bore you with rehashing my statements there once more. Just imagine I've made them again.

So, does Dickens' novel Our Mutual Friend count as anti-semitic in your book, despite the fact it contains a 'positive' portrayal of a Jewish character? If not then it must be judged, on the same basis that you judge Oliver Twist to be anti-semitic, as a pro-semitic piece of literature. What then are we to make of Charles Dickens - is he anti-semitic or pro-semitic?

EDIT: mistyped 'by' in place of 'my' earlier.
Conceptualists
26-09-2004, 00:42
If you want anti-semetic literature so bad, The Merchant of Venice and Oliver Twist are still legal.
Purleeze.

Anyway, one could consider the Jew of Malta far worse
OceanDrive
26-09-2004, 02:36
If the Holocaust was in doubt, you are right: wal-mart should carry a disclaimer for it... .If you read my post, My position is that:
Even if someone (or some group) doubts the Holocaust numbers, or say the evidence is forged... that is not enough reason to Ban it...or tag a Disclaimer.
Harlesburg
26-09-2004, 06:31
The 'Holocaust', as a series of events has a reasonable amount of evidence to support it. Statistics are hard to pinpoint, but I don't think there are many people who would deny that the Nazi party carried out prorgams of 'removal'... and those that argue against the holocaust are arguing AGAINST a whole weight of evidence, while bringing nothing to the table themselves.

If the Holocaust was in doubt, you are right: wal-mart should carry a disclaimer for it... and, once again IF the holocaust were in doubt, and someone wrote a book about the reality of the holocaust, the BURDEN of proof would be on the writer, to prove that it happened.

Thats a good thing about the nazis they labeled things kept records and such
but some accounts state 20mil jewish dead thats different from the 6mil also stalin may have capped off a couple in the camps heard it dosent make it true.
Marxlan
26-09-2004, 06:46
Waah! The Jews should prove the book's wrong! The book should prove it's content is right! God forbid that documents be made available for people so we can DECIDE FOR OURSELVES! Analytical thought? GOD no! The book says some bad things about the Jews, so it's evil and we should ban it just like Hitler burned books he disliked... or did he do that? Maybe I should prove it and if I can't MY post should be banned. God forbid some poor bastards have to think for themselves and maybe recognize any bias or factual errors I've included, rather than simply blindly follow anything I write down. Hey, if I took the time to type it, it must be true, because they can't be bothered to make a judgement call.
George W. Bush sexually molested me. Do you believe that? I've never been within 100 km of the man, but I typed it, so maybe you should believe it. READ SOME MORE SOURCES! Don't just believe whatever you read. If anyone does just believe whatever he reads, it's his own damned fault he's an idiot. And if he decides that based on reading one book the Jews are evil, that's his choice. But no, Walmart caved in and now idiots are just a bit safer from being forced to use that lump of matter in their skulls. Bravo.
C-Bass
26-09-2004, 07:32
What's wrong with Wally World taking a nutbag book off the sale pile? They don't sell other crackpot religious texts either, like the Book of Mormon or The Witches Bible (take your pick of whatever "witches bible"; they're all crackpot). Of course they DO sell one crackpot religious text...the Koran.

how is the Bible any different?

I don't think you realize how hypocritical you're being. You're calling this writer a nutbag for being anti-Semitic, yet you're calling Mormonism, Islam, and witches crackpots. You're saying that a book full of intolerance should be banned, and then you turn around and make intolerant, not to mention disrespectful, comments about faiths you most likely know nothing about.

Woooow.
BackwoodsSquatches
26-09-2004, 08:08
http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/24/news/fortune500/walmart_judaism.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes


shame on them, the cowards. how will the honest decent, salt of the earth americans who shop at walmart learn the truth about our world.


Uhh, did you maybe miss the part where it said that the book was "Long since discredited?"
Nationalist Valhalla
26-09-2004, 08:20
Anyway, if the jewish community say this book is defamatory, and a lie - surely the accused 'liar' is the one who has to present his evidence.



nope, the accuser has the burden of proof. the accused has already set out their position, if you want your claim that they are a liar to be accepted you must substanciate it.
Nationalist Valhalla
26-09-2004, 08:21
Uhh, did you maybe miss the part where it said that the book was "Long since discredited?"
nope i just don't believe it. long discredited by who, the tools of zog?
Marxlan
26-09-2004, 08:31
I didn't say it when I previously posted before, but the book should not be banned, and walmart or anyone else shouldn't pull it. Caving in to Jews - the likes of that nasty little cockroach Abe Foxman of the ADL, for example - is never a good idea.

It doesn't matter if the book is true or not - even if it's not true it's an interesting historical work of reference. You could say that Marx's Das Kapital inspired the murder of tens of millions of people under communism in the 20th century - as it did - but even so, I wouldn't say on that score that anyone should ban it.

Let people read the book and make up their own minds.

Quite right... just what I was saying. (Except I was more hostile about it... meh).
Nationalist Valhalla
26-09-2004, 08:37
I didn't say it when I previously posted before, but the book should not be banned, and walmart or anyone else shouldn't pull it. Caving in to Jews - the likes of that nasty little cockroach Abe Foxman of the ADL, for example - is never a good idea.

It doesn't matter if the book is true or not - even if it's not true it's an interesting historical work of reference. You could say that Marx's Das Kapital inspired the murder of tens of millions of people under communism in the 20th century - as it did - but even so, I wouldn't say on that score that anyone should ban it.

Let people read the book and make up their own minds.

i think its probably fictionalized, not an actual secret jewish text, but a book written to illustrate the way they work. just like cs lewis' the screwtape letters aren't actually correspondence between devils.
BackwoodsSquatches
26-09-2004, 08:49
nope i just don't believe it. long discredited by who, the tools of zog?


Or anyone with half a brain?
Grave_n_idle
26-09-2004, 14:50
If you read my post, My position is that:
Even if someone (or some group) doubts the Holocaust numbers, or say the evidence is forged... that is not enough reason to Ban it...or tag a Disclaimer.

And my position is that:

If a book is scientifically and / or historically accurate... that is, verifiable - then it should be sold as non-fiction.

If it is a 'story-book', for example, it should be sold as fiction.

If the provenence is doubtful, that is, CANNOT be verified scientifically, or with other histories, then that book should be in a 'disclaimer' section... maybe a 'theoretical' section. Note: I believe that ALL religious texts should be in this section, also.
Grave_n_idle
26-09-2004, 14:58
I didn't say it when I previously posted before, but the book should not be banned, and walmart or anyone else shouldn't pull it. Caving in to Jews - the likes of that nasty little cockroach Abe Foxman of the ADL, for example - is never a good idea.

It doesn't matter if the book is true or not - even if it's not true it's an interesting historical work of reference. You could say that Marx's Das Kapital inspired the murder of tens of millions of people under communism in the 20th century - as it did - but even so, I wouldn't say on that score that anyone should ban it.

Let people read the book and make up their own minds.

I would argue the same thing: that a book should be available for persons to make up their own minds about it's content... but there are certain factors:

Wal-Mart does have a right to chose how many books they carry, and which titles. If they choose not to carry a book, for any reason... they are entitled to make a business decision based on that.

In the Deep South, there was a fairly concerted effort to keep Harry Potter books off of the shelves of Wal-Mart stores (since the book is obviously satanic.... apparently), but Wal-Mart stores made a business decision to continue stocking them. If they choose NOT to stock a given book, that ALSO is their choice.
The Water Cooler
26-09-2004, 15:04
not surprising seeing all the mindless cattle blindly following their zionist masters into the mental slaughterhouse and mass spiritual castration center

*blink*
OceanDrive
26-09-2004, 16:55
And my position is that:

If a book is scientifically and / or historically accurate... that is the whole point, some group say that some Holocaust books are not historically accurate, and that "6million" is scientifically impossible....

some other Group (jewish Rabies/lobby) say this that or book...should be banned...or pre-taged as "Forgery"
Daistallia 2104
26-09-2004, 17:14
that is the whole point, some group say that some Holocaust books are not historically accurate, and that "6million" is scientifically impossible....

some other Group (jewish Rabies/lobby) say this that or book...should be banned...or pre-taged as "Forgery"

It simply does not matter if it is fiction or not. Wal-mart is not the government, and is therefore not restricted in desicions about books what it will or will not sell. They are, however, a business. As such they respond to customers. Start a counter-boycott pressuring them to continu selling it if you wish.
Superpower07
26-09-2004, 17:15
some other Group (jewish Rabies/lobby) say this that or book...should be banned...or pre-taged as "Forgery"
You spell 'rabbi' the same way a certain disease that makes one crazy is spelled. :D I laugh at your pathetic spelling.

not surprising seeing all the mindless cattle blindly following their zionist masters into the mental slaughterhouse and mass spiritual castration center
I read (from a wikipedia.org article) that Chomsky (a radical, far-left winger) actually considers himself to be some sort of Zoinist (which is generalized as ultra right-wing) - is he of all people leading them to said places? I dont think so!

All religions, ethnicities, etc are all equal. Your NONEXISTENT elders of zion are no different from the mideval Popes who ABUSED THEIR POWER to subjugate the masses, or jihadists, or militant atheists (meaning humanity is screwed wheter or not we follow religion).

Oh and NV, I have a gift for you - the STFU Sword Strike *due to his neglect to use the STFU Sword Strike, Superpower07 deploys it against Valhalla*

http://gunpla-web.hp.infoseek.co.jp/image/hako/seed/1-144/seed-sword-strike-hako.jpg
STFU!!!
OceanDrive
26-09-2004, 17:28
STFU!!!You are reacting like the rabies....you want the other side to shut up...you want their voices silenced...you want their opinion ridiculized...you want their freedom of speech canceled...you want their books banned

Well let me tell you something, I am not Walmart, and you can-NOT have your way with me.
Nationalist Valhalla
26-09-2004, 18:59
Or anyone with half a brain?

exactly, it is the people with only half a brain who have proved the text to be a forgery, the subsentient drones of the zionist anthill royalty have no more credability than than the insects they same pathetically mimic.
Dettibok
27-09-2004, 00:52
But the Rabys or Lobbies who coerced publishers into banning (or labeling) the book.... the Burden of proof is on them.For you and a large number of people certainly. But perhaps not when it comes to Wal-mart, and many other people (or they have proved the book is bs to Wal-mart's satisfaction). Personally, I haven't read the book. But I don't know of any a priori reason to assume the contents are true. (The fact that they have been published is a rather underwhelming endorsement). I'll probably get around to reading them soon. But unless they have independently verifiable facts, I'll probably treat them as seriously as a random message board post.

that is the whole point, some group say that some Holocaust books are not historically accurate, and that "6million" is scientifically impossible....Some group says the earth is flat too. :shrug:. For this sort of thing, reputable historians are the ones you want to ask; determining the truth of the Holocaust or the protocols is their bag. (And IIRC, most historians in the field would put the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust at a few 100,000 under 6 million, and tell you exact numbers are impossible. A similar number of non-Jews were also murdered).

... Well, except for the "scientifically impossible bit". There you want to ask reputable scientists from whichever field the claim involves.
Ashmoria
27-09-2004, 01:02
every time i see the title of this thread i chuckle

walmart bans CLASSIC BOOK

lol

first time i read it i thought "oh no they have bowed to pc pressure and have removed huckleberry finn from the shelves" but NOOOO its just some racist piece of trash that they never should have been selling to begin with.

ohmygod how are the redneck nazis gonna get their propaganda??
Tenete Traditiones
27-09-2004, 01:09
Just another day in the Jewnited States...
Superpower07
27-09-2004, 01:13
You are reacting like the rabies....you want the other side to shut up...you want their voices silenced...you want their opinion ridiculized...you want their freedom of speech canceled...you want their books banned

Well let me tell you something, I am not Walmart, and you can-NOT have your way with me.
Personally I want them to shut up from their own free will but I would never silence a group - I am thoroughly opposed to censorship, as a matter of fact

I never said I wanted the book banned (read that post carefully, it does not say that there - Actually I'd unwillingly allow it b/c I'm for freedom of speech) - while I don't like it I really could have cared less about who reads it, it's Nazis/white supremacists like you who get on my nerves.

Oh and proper forum etiquette requires that I type STFU like that when I activate an STFU Shield (or STFU Sword Strike)
Black Umbrella
27-09-2004, 01:13
what the hell was walmart doing selling that crap? like, i know that walmart is a rather large corporate criminal, but what the hell?

oh well, just another good reason to drive construction equipment through their walls. as if we needed another.

HERE! HERE! :mp5:
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2004, 01:17
that is the whole point, some group say that some Holocaust books are not historically accurate, and that "6million" is scientifically impossible....

some other Group (jewish Rabies/lobby) say this that or book...should be banned...or pre-taged as "Forgery"


See, the way I figure about it... you are arguing over a detail. Maybe it was 6 million. Maybe it was a million. Maybe it was 20 million.

Maybe it was only a thousand people, and the story just got blown out of all proportion.

(I am inclined to believe the evidence that suggests somwhere in the ballpark of 4 million, maybe a few more. Plus the Romani, the non-jewish poles, the disabled, the mentally handicapped, the Russians, and anyone else that they fancied 'disappearing')

The fact is, evidence, in large amounts, verifies the 'holocaust' as an actual occurence. Nazi Germany did systematically attempt to wipe out groups based on politics, race and religion. That part is unarguable (using logic, at least... I have seen some pretty spurious arguments that say the holocaust never happened, but they never stand up to analysis).

So, holocaust books (allowing for the leeway in statistics... we are looking at the happenings, not the numbers) are factual.

Someone's pocket philosophy on why the jews are bad (or whoever they feel like attacking this week) is based on subjective sources. If they can provide tangible evidence, all well and good. But, they don't. They provide speculation and tenuous connections. They don't stand up to rigorous scientific investigation - so they shouldn't be treated as factual.
OceanDrive
27-09-2004, 01:36
See, the way I figure about it... you are arguing over a detail. Maybe it was 6 million. Maybe it was a million. Maybe it was 20 million.

Maybe it was only a thousand people, and the story just got blown out of all proportion.

(I am inclined to believe the evidence that suggests somwhere in the ballpark of 4 million, maybe a few more. Plus the Romani, the non-jewish poles, the disabled, the mentally handicapped, the Russians, and anyone else that they fancied 'disappearing')

The fact is, evidence, in large amounts, verifies the 'holocaust' as an actual occurence. Nazi Germany did systematically attempt to wipe out groups based on politics, race and religion. That part is unarguable (using logic, at least... I have seen some pretty spurious arguments that say the holocaust never happened, but they never stand up to analysis).

So, holocaust books (allowing for the leeway in statistics... we are looking at the happenings, not the numbers.....

your tolerance for Leeway....is from thousands to Millions...or from Milllions to thousands...either its way too much for me....
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2004, 01:45
your tolerance for Leeway....is from thousands to Millions...or from Milllions to thousands...either its way too much for me....

Which is fine, since I wasn't asking your permission.

The evidence suggests that we are talking multiple millions... as I've said, the strongest evidence points to a figure about 4 million plus/minus a little.

You obviously chose to neglect that element of my post.

The fact is: regardless of the numbers, that the EVENTS took place. We know there were concentration camps. We know that the Nazi's seperated, then removed, then REMOVED certain groups from their own culture, and those of their European neighbours.

Look at Qualitative evidence here, and ignore the Quantitative... the existence of the thing, coupled with the recordable evidence of the thing, makes it a fact. We can quibble over the numbers, if you like, but it doesn't change the basic underlying facts of the argument.
QahJoh
27-09-2004, 05:06
exactly, it is the people with only half a brain who have proved the text to be a forgery, the subsentient drones of the zionist anthill royalty have no more credability than than the insects they same pathetically mimic.

The text was proven a forgery (plagarized hoax is more accurate) in 1921 by London Times correspondant Phillip Graves and then by Herman Bernstein.

This site has Graves' articles as PDFs. http://emperors-clothes.com/antisem/times-pdf.htm

I'm convinced of Graves' argument. To my knowledge, his opponents have never been able to discredit it.
Bodies Without Organs
27-09-2004, 06:29
It doesn't matter if the book is a forgery or not. It doesn't matter what the original political motivations of the authors of the book were. The fact remains that the book should not be pulled by Walmart or censored or banned.

Hey, that's capitalism for you: if all the white nationalists, for example, got together to stage a boycott of Walmart unless they stopped selling custard powder, Walmart would listen if they considered the financial losses of a potential boycott to outweigh the profit they currently make selling custard powder.
imported_Berserker
27-09-2004, 07:00
It doesn't matter if the book is a forgery or not. It doesn't matter what the original political motivations of the authors of the book were. The fact remains that the book should not be pulled by Walmart or censored or banned.

Why?
They have no moral or ethical obligation to provide this book to any single person. As it is a privately own and run business, they can sell/not sell whatever they damn well please (so long as it's legal).

If they don't want to sell a book fabricated by some crackpot Nazis who wished they could **** Hitler, more power to 'em.

I would also like to point out that Walmart only makes up a small fraction of booksellers. The decision to pull the book in no way "dictates" what you can and cannot read.


But surely the "superior" Nazi intellect should know this. Oh save us from our Zionist masters. Remove the wool from our eyes, that we may see the truth.
Bodies Without Organs
27-09-2004, 07:42
Well, that's a rather trite response. Intellectual property - that is, in this instance, political literature of any nature - is a little bit different in essence from custard powder.

Trite? Yeah, probably, but it doesn't mean I approve of the way that early C21st capitlaism functions.

As far as the difference goes, in essence to you and me, yes it exists, but not to a corporation that's main responsibility is to deliver profits to its shareholders. If the book stays on the shelves they face a boycott, and thus loss of earnings. I'm relatively sure that if they found no one had bought a copy for years, they would likewise have removed it from sale - they could use that space better.

Even the corporate scum who run walmart should realize that there is a difference between pulling a book and pulling custard powder, and should have some spine. but that's wishful thinking in spineless corporate Amerika.

I would be interested in the response of the groups that protested the selling of this book if Walmart were to say to them: "Okay, we'll remove this edition from sale, but we will instead find an edition which reproduces the text as a historical document of late C19th anti-semitism, and makes explicit the fact that it is nothing but a forgery, and stock that edition instead."

I assume that at least some of the better informed protestors actually went to the lengths of reading the text themselves. I wonder where they bought their copies from?
Tumaniia
27-09-2004, 08:01
I certainly hope the peopl here are joking. The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion has been exxpossed as a fake peice of anti-semitic trash for years. Really, if I wrote a book that was called My Years as a Brain Dead Transvestite Whore and Crack Addict, by Nationalist Valhalla, and I tried to puch it off as real, you would be suing for libel. Why shouldn't the Jews have the same right to see that this worthless crap isn't spread any farther than can be prevented?

Well, everyone knows that the people of USA are well educated, articulate and know all about iterature, history and culture. Therefore the company probably just assumed that everyone allready knew that the book was a fake, and thought nobody would get offended.
Goed
27-09-2004, 09:13
You know, I'm sure these nine pages are full of intellectual debate and point/counter point. Well, ok, I'm sure it ISN'T, and it's probebly just one side trying to hammer the truth into the other. But...I think I missed something here.

A book wasn't selling, so they pulled. It's WALMART here. Is there some kind of hidden meaning I don't understand behind "Bob, it's not making us money. Something else can."?

I mean...it's WALMART. You don't go there for a good book. In fact, who the hell buys books at Walmart anyways?! But the fact is, Walmart wants money. It's a buisness, isn't it? So they're going to do whatever makes them money. If a boycott works, hey-that's Captain Capitalism at work.



FUCKING DEAL WITH IT.
Libertovania
27-09-2004, 11:05
So buy it somewhere else, then! Sheesh. If they don't want your money give it to someone who does.
Sanctaphrax
27-09-2004, 15:10
Just another day in the Jewnited States...
SSHHHHHEEESSSSSSHHHHH!!!
You're back are you. You just can't stay away. I for one am extremely close to putting you on ignore. You post meaningless racist crap then expect everyone to believe you. Whenever you decide to post a source its from Stormfront and that doesn't happen very often.
*secret telegram to Jews everywhere*
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Guys,
They're onto us, there are some really smart people who know about our secret plans. Lets take all our world conquering equipment and leave it at my house. :rolleyes:
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Grave_n_idle
27-09-2004, 15:55
It doesn't matter if the book is a forgery or not. It doesn't matter what the original political motivations of the authors of the book were. The fact remains that the book should not be pulled by Walmart or censored or banned.

Someone said earlier on that Walmart made a simple business decision to pull it - the Jewish lobby in the US suggested a boycott of Walmart if they didn't. So we now have a situation were a group which comprises 3% of the American population can dictate the choices the rest of us have to read.

Are the Jews and their allies *really* so stupid as to believe that Walmart's selling what is widely recognized as a Czarist forgery is all of a sudden going to create pogroms in New Jersey, or wherever?

As Tenete Traditones wrote earlier in this thread, “Just another day in the Jewnited States... ". The power and influence these people have is incredible, and completely disproportionate to their numbers.

You miss the point of your own statistic.

If Jews are 3% of the population, they are not dictating your reading choices. They have put together a representation to Wal-Mart, which Wal-Mart was free to ignore. The fact that Wal-Mart chose to listen implies that Wal-Mart are seeking to avoid ANY 'trouble', no matter how small the sample group.

A few thousand mailed responses to the 'Janet Jackson incident' has changed the law regarding public broadcast - which is a far MORE worrying developement in my view.
OceanDrive
27-09-2004, 16:14
.... as I've said, the strongest evidence points to a figure about 4 million plus/minus a little....care to share that evidence with me?
Dettibok
27-09-2004, 18:45
Someone said earlier on that Walmart made a simple business decision to pull it - the Jewish lobby in the US suggested a boycott of Walmart if they didn't.Cite? The only article I read suggests they would have been satisfied with a disclaimer.

So we now have a situation were a group which comprises 3% of the American population can dictate the choices the rest of us have to read.... at Walmart. Welcome to capitalism. Chapters pulling Mein Kampf is worth worrying about; Chapters is an actual bookstore, and such choices if emulated can remove choice from what we have to read. (Chapters itself has a large percentage of the Canadian market). But Walmart? I'm underwhelmed: just how much of a selection does Walmart have to begin with?

Are the Jews and their allies *really* so stupid as to believe that Walmart's selling what is widely recognized as a Czarist forgery is all of a sudden going to create pogroms in New Jersey, or wherever?Strawman. From the Wal-mart website: "If ... The Protocols are genuine (which can never be proven conclusively), it might cause some of us to keep a wary eye on world affairs. We neither support nor deny its message. We simply make it available for those who wish a copy." Hardly an acknoledgement of The Protocols being a forgery. This sort of thing does contribute to anti-semetism.
Pookieton
27-09-2004, 18:56
I wonder if you can still buy books advocating slavery at Walmart?
I bet you can, everyplace sells the bible.
Bodies Without Organs
27-09-2004, 19:01
But Walmart? I'm underwhelmed: just how much of a selection does Walmart have to begin with?

"Over 600,000 titles all at our Every Day Low Price!"

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?path=0%3A3920&dept=3920&cat=3920

The evidence of their boast suggests than none of these 600,000 titles is a basic grammar that explains the proper use of upper case.
The flying fairy
27-09-2004, 19:03
i agree with you there.
Bodies Without Organs
27-09-2004, 19:06
Interesting:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/search-ng.gsp?search_constraint=3920&search_query=elders+of+zion&ics=20&ico=0&Continue.x=0&Continue.y=0
OceanDrive
27-09-2004, 19:17
You miss the point of your own statistic.

If Jews are 3% of the population, they are not dictating your reading choices...... I feel they are also dictating our Middle East policy...And our Foreign-aid Policy...

And I feel The Jewish Lobby "helped" Bush make up his Mind about Attacking Iraq....
Subterfuges
27-09-2004, 19:20
Hey wow! That book just explained armegeddon from the losing side's viewpoint. Interesting. The prophecies in the Bible must scare them poopless. If you want to end the world faster, just let that book scare you into attacking the jews. Go ahead and see what happens. Then everything will be wrapped up. Some of it probably is true, but most of it is probably deceptive lies. But whatever, I think I am just going to stand to the side and wait. The foundations of the world may crumble but I will wait on the Lord.
OceanDrive
27-09-2004, 19:29
... This sort of thing does contribute to anti-semetism.The book would contribute little if it was a Forgery...and it would contribute a lot if it was not a Forgery... Neither has been proven..

I just wonder why the rabbies are so scared of this one Book???
Joseph Curwen
27-09-2004, 19:56
I just wonder why the rabbies are so scared of this one Book???

because of all the cowardly pin-headed little head shavers that use it as an excuse to deface temples and cemetaries, and gang up on solitary Jews they catch on the street after dark...
OceanDrive
27-09-2004, 20:07
because of all the cowardly pin-headed little head shavers that use it as an excuse to deface temples and cemetaries...The gangs your are talking about...do not need a book as an excuse...
Banning or taggin this one book is not going to save your solitary ass from the gangs...
Dettibok
27-09-2004, 21:01
"Over 600,000 titles all at our Every Day Low Price!"Funky; I (obviously) did not know that.

The gangs your are talking about...do not need a book as an excuse...
Banning or taggin this one book is not going to save your solitary ass from the gangs...Fortunately I'm probably ok; "cowardly pin-headed little head shavers" tend not to get uptight about slavs nowadays. Of course banning The Protocols is not going to prevent neo-nazis from being terrorists, but it (or at least slapping a disclaimer on the book) will help. These poo-heads tend to think their beliefs and actions have the silent support of many white people, disabusing them of this notion will help discouraging them from terrorizing others.
Gregory Peccary
27-09-2004, 21:11
That's news to me. Why do they bother? The average Wal-mart customer is essentially illiterate anyway.
The Black Forrest
27-09-2004, 21:16
Meh.

A free society means being able to read crap like that.


However, a free society means that you can sell or not sell whatever you want.

The Jewish groups have a right to protest and Walmart has a right to say yes or no.

Now if it was the Bible belt complaining about censorhip, I would find that rather amusing....

Finally, as Stephen King once suggested; run out and buy it and find out what they don't want you to know! ;)

I will have to get it as one of my strange hobbies is collecting banned books.....
Vaginal Sunshine
27-09-2004, 21:21
Try buying your books from a bookstore. It won't be long before Wal-Mart edits novels in the same way it forces the music industry to edit songs.
Joseph Curwen
27-09-2004, 21:34
The gangs your are talking about...do not need a book as an excuse...
Banning or taggin this one book is not going to save your solitary ass from the gangs...
You asked for a reason, I gave one.

Another reason, it gives the head shavers something to point at that appears to have some kind of intellectual weight when they spread their crap. People of limited intellectual capacity have a tendency to take at face value anything in print.

Whether or not those are valid reasons for banning a book, is pretty slippery, but you asked why the Jewish community asked Walmart to stop selling the book, and that is what I answered.

Lastly, the book itself, is not banned. Walmart stopped selling it, that's all. Are you arguing that a company should be legally forced to sell certain books?
OceanDrive
27-09-2004, 21:54
You asked for a reason, I gave one. true...
OceanDrive
27-09-2004, 22:00
Try buying your books from a bookstore. It won't be long before Wal-Mart edits novels in the same way it forces the music industry to edit songs.Interesante...What songs?
QahJoh
28-09-2004, 03:00
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Guys,
They're onto us, there are some really smart people who know about our secret plans. Lets take all our world conquering equipment and leave it at my house. :rolleyes:
**********************************************************

Even the bagel machine?
Grave_n_idle
28-09-2004, 03:11
Even the bagel machine?

Mmmm, bagels....
Sanctaphrax
28-09-2004, 11:56
Even the bagel machine?
*secret telegram*
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I'm afraid so, we must leave no evidence!:)
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Independent Homesteads
28-09-2004, 13:21
http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/24/news/fortune500/walmart_judaism.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes


shame on them, the cowards. how will the honest decent, salt of the earth americans who shop at walmart learn the truth about our world.

Not by reading bullshit. It is a made-up book, like Harry Potter, only unlike Harry Potter it pretends to be true. Difficult to understand how someone intelligent enough to be able to read and write doesn't notice this.
OceanDrive
28-09-2004, 18:00
Not by reading bullshit. It is a made-up ******, like Harry Potter, only unlike Harry Potter it pretends to be true. Difficult to understand how someone intelligent enough to be able to read and write doesn't notice this.Some people say the exact same things about the Holocaust.
Drenas
28-09-2004, 18:39
"What kind of lazy, stupid piece of crap are you if you're buying ANY books from Wal-Mart, of all places? You shouldn't get your bible there, your romantic crapnovel there, or your disgusting, racist books there."

Whats wrong with buying books at walmart? :confused:
Some of us aren't rich you know.
Brutanion
28-09-2004, 18:42
come on we all know this text, first brought to the public's attention by the diligent investigations of the russian government is true in all its essentually. only an endless smear campaign by the zionists conspirators has kept this text from gaining wide acceptance in the west. in the middle east and south asia almost all serious scholars accept this book as factual and accurate.

You mean all the places where it would be an advantage to the governments for it to be considered accurate?
Brutanion
28-09-2004, 18:44
Interesante...What songs?

Like Queen's classic 'Wal-Mart Rhapsody'.
:P
Dettibok
28-09-2004, 19:52
Not by reading bullshit. It is a made-up ******, like Harry Potter, only unlike Harry Potter it pretends to be true. Difficult to understand how someone intelligent enough to be able to read and write doesn't notice this.
Some people say the exact same things about the Holocaust.You know, I think I missed your point the first time around. The fact that so meone somewhere said something means zip-all. In theory an intellectual debate should have decided whether the book was filed under history or fiction. In practice it probably was the market power of The Jews and co/jewish Rabies/lobby[1] that made Wal-mart make the decision they did, and they may not have even bothered to consult a historian. Yes, this is not a good state of affairs, but if they had consulted a historian he/she would have told them that they are considered forgeries by "the overwhelming majority of historians in the United States of America and Europe".[2] (It is in historical circles where an intellectual debate over the bona-fides of The Protocols would have taken place.) Frankly, I think that Wal-mart should have slapped a disclaimer on the book rather than discontinuing it entirely, but a disclaimer would be entirely appropriate.

[1] Include me therein; I'm not Jewish but anti-semetism pisses me right off.

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
OceanDrive
28-09-2004, 19:52
Like Queen's classic 'Wal-Mart Rhapsody'.
:P
LOL
OceanDrive
28-09-2004, 20:12
.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_ZionInteresting Link....

I wonder...Why the differnce of perception betwen USA and Japan?
QahJoh
29-09-2004, 01:17
Some people say the exact same things about the Holocaust.

And in both cases, evidence has been produced, again and again, to validate the claims that the Holocaust happened, and that the Elders of Zion is a hoax, as well as plagarism.
Superpower07
29-09-2004, 01:26
In AD 2004 war was beginning:

Bush: "What happen?"
Cheney: "OH F*CK!!! Some liberal set up us a f*cking BOMB!!"
Ashcroft: "We get signal!"
Cheney: "Just turn the f*cking main screen on!"
*John Kerry appears*
Cheney: "It's YOU!" *has the heart attack which finally kills him*
Kerry: "How are you, gentleman? All your base are belong to church!"
Bush: "What?!"
Ashcroft: "He's right, actually. Most of our voters are practicing Christians!"
Bush: .....
Kerry: "You have no chance to win the election; make your time! Ha, ha, ha . . ."
Bush: "You know what you doing! Take off every ZOG! . . . . Move ZOG, for great justice!"



(this is just satire - I do not favor either candidate and I don't actually believe in any of the 'ZOG' conspiracies; I only used it coz it's rhymes w/Zig, so anybody who takes this seriously should STFU - especially TT and DA)
Please let my attempt to hijack the thread work
OceanDrive
29-09-2004, 02:45
Please let my attempt to hijack the thread work[/color]Be my guest :D