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Benedict Arnold my good fellow Americans if you can’t answer tough questions about Benedict then you are hopelessly brainwashed can’t you fight what you’ve been taught for years? Can you question what seems obvious are you one of those who would say the world was round or flat the center or the part of the solar system? Can you stand apart from all that was undeniably true can you pull your self, away old from what you’ve been taught? Answer me and here is my statement all you have seen so far is my challenge care to take a gander at the test?


So you want to see how far the rabbit hole goes do you, let us begin then (cracks knuckles). Was Arnold the traitor or was that Washington, Adams Jefferson, too often we Americans forget that we weren’t actually free till we won. Too often we forget the Tories and think about only the Wigs (the Tories were loyalists and the wigs Revolutionaries.). We don’t always remember that both sides blood was of Patriots, we forget that all those born before the war were British we forget that a traitor who betrayed his country wore it proudly was Washington, Another Jefferson, and a further one was Adams, Hancock another who was voiced with heroism and treachry. So was Benedict a spy or a traitor, a clever trickster who crept into the rebellion or the traitorous general? You choose now is the time for you to judge not your teachers or your parents but you.

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Yes, I'm no expert on Benedict Arnold...but from what I've seen from The Fairly Oddparents, he seemed to be quite the bastard and deserved to be burned on a stick.

Yes, I repeat, THE FAIRLY ODDPARENTS

Arnold should have swung from a short rope. Traitorious monarch-lovin' bastard.

Yes, I'm no expert on Benedict Arnold...but from what I've seen from The Fairly Oddparents, he seemed to be quite the bastard and deserved to be burned on a stick.

Yes, I repeat, THE FAIRLY ODDPARENTS
they say he was the only man who was to evil to be hanged so he escaped off to britan :( , but really I wacht it too I mean come on the decleration of surrender-pendence

Arnold should have swung from a short rope. Traitorious monarch-lovin' bastard.
we tryed weeps but he got away to britan dang monarch britan deserved to have over 5 rebellions

they say he was the only man who was to evil to be hanged so he escaped off to britan :( , but really I wacht it too I mean come on the decleration of surrender-pendence
ahh yes, it twas a funny one...

"Hey! Your the guy on the hundred! Oh, honey, can I touch HIM?"
Frankin: "EX-CUSE me?"

Anyways, I'm relying on small information here, but from what I understand...

Benedict Arnold was a traitorous man. Him and George Washington have nothing in common. Washington's goal was to lead 13 colonies of rebels to freedom. Arnold's goal was to sneak into their ranks and twart them from the inside-out. Apparently, he donned our colors of freedom until he was found out. Even today, non of us Americans would sink so low as to do that. Sure, we hire a spy in Iraq a couple times...but what TRUE American would don the colors of another and backstab?

Washington's goal was to lead 13 colonies of rebels to freedom.

Nothing traitorous there, then. :rolleyes:

Arnold was certainly not a Redcoat put in the Rebel Army to eventually betray it, he was probably one of the most committed patriots. But he was also in the higher levels of command (a side effect of being an able general), and saw the intrigue and backstabbing going on (Like Gates, who took credit for what Arnold did, certainly not something to be proud of, or Lee, who was running an almost slander campaign behind Washington). He became disillusioned with it, maybe becuase he didn't think these men could create a country he would be proud of, at any rate, his wife was good friends with a British Officer, through her he arranged to turnover West Point to the British, unfortunately (for him) the officer was arrested and the plans found, he escaped however, and went on with several commands in the British Army (all of which failed).

ahh yes, it twas a funny one...

"Hey! Your the guy on the hundred! Oh, honey, can I touch HIM?"
Frankin: "EX-CUSE me?"

Anyways, I'm relying on small information here, but from what I understand...

Benedict Arnold was a traitorous man. Him and George Washington have nothing in common. Washington's goal was to lead 13 colonies of rebels to freedom. Arnold's goal was to sneak into their ranks and twart them from the inside-out. Apparently, he donned our colors of freedom until he was found out. Even today, non of us Americans would sink so low as to do that. Sure, we hire a spy in Iraq a couple times...but what TRUE American would don the colors of another and backstab?
actually the reason why Benedict is famous is because, was he was a general washington him self called him a hero and he handed tons of information.

Nothing traitorous there, then. :rolleyes:
Well calling one man of thousands a traitor is like calling a random Iraqi rebel a traitor to America and the new Iraq.

Well calling one man of thousands a traitor is like calling a random Iraqi rebel a traitor to America and the new Iraq.

No, because Washington and the other colonists were not conquered by the British Empire, they were a part of it from the start.

If the American forces in Iraq mutinied and declared themselves an independent state, would you consider them traitors then?

Arnold was certainly not a Redcoat put in the Rebel Army to eventually betray it, he was probably one of the most committed patriots. But he was also in the higher levels of command (a side effect of being an able general), and saw the intrigue and backstabbing going on (Like Gates, who took credit for what Arnold did, certainly not something to be proud of, or Lee, who was running an almost slander campaign behind Washington). He became disillusioned with it, maybe becuase he didn't think these men could create a country he would be proud of, at any rate, his wife was good friends with a British Officer, through her he arranged to turnover West Point to the British, unfortunately (for him) the officer was arrested and the plans found, he escaped however, and went on with several commands in the British Army (all of which failed).
dude the man got away with it for three months he was passing information he was temperd and he may well have been a spy think here not mind you by the brits government mind but of his own free will.

dude the man got away with it for three months he was passing information he was temperd and he may well have been a spy think here not mind you by the brits government mind but of his own free will.

If he was a spy for the British, they were willing to sabotage a lot of things to keep him safe, paramount of which was Burgoyne's campaign, which Arnold was instrumental in defeating. The defeat of Burgoyne lead to France entering into an alliance with the US, and was a huge humiliation for the British.

P.S. Nobody asked what I thought :( I hate the peice of turncoat shit, the lying bastard little spy desreverd to be tarred and feathered and then burnt at the stake.

No, because Washington and the other colonists were not conquered by the British Empire, they were a part of it from the start.

If the American forces in Iraq mutinied and declared themselves an independent state, would you consider them traitors then?
Sure, if you want to forget the hundreds of Indians that were either killed or sent away, if not flat out invaded by the British.

And we weren't British soldiers, we started out as random farmers and people trying to live our own lives. Much like many Iraqis...only more rural. Imagine Iraqis rising up to Americans and kicking them out, that's a simple resurrection of the American Revolution.

Why did I post my best two topics ever at night why!!!!!!!!!?

Rebels and Freedom Fighters are the same thing, just opposites sides of the coin.

As for Arnold, I see him as someone true to his beliefs. Some would want to hang him, others give him a medal. In any case he was an American traitor, a loyalist partiot, and one heck of a decent General.

Why did I post my best two topics ever at night why!!!!!!!!!?
because you luuuuurve us night-dwellers! :D

Almost forgot .... * salutes Colodia *

How was that? Should I keep practicing?

you guys are actually nice to talk to I will just bump this in the morning.

I'm not going to pass judgement on Benedict Arnold, as I'd have to brush up on my history, first. I vaguely remember hearing that Arnold had been given a very raw deal of some kind; he might be an example of an otherwise-good man forced into bad circumstances.

Again, I'd have to brush up on my history, and I don't know if I have time for that. If someone has, time, then this may be worth looking into.

I do remember this, clearly: On his deathbed, he asked to be dressed in his Continental Army uniform. His last words: "I wish to God I'd never taken it off."

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Slightly off-topic: I find it interesting how a nation has gone from being our most reviled enemy to our most trusted ally in the space of about 130 years (from when the British sacked and burned the White House in the War of 1812 to saving Europe from the Nazis in World War Two).

"Think about it for a moment."

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
Founder and Delegate of The Realm of Ambrosia

Sure, if you want to forget the hundreds of Indians that were either killed or sent away, if not flat out invaded by the British.

And we weren't British soldiers, we started out as random farmers and people trying to live our own lives. Much like many Iraqis...only more rural. Imagine Iraqis rising up to Americans and kicking them out, that's a simple resurrection of the American Revolution.

No, you're completely failing to grasp the point.

Firstly, don't bother bringing the native americans into this. They had practically nothing to do with the American revolution, and the USA oppressed them just as bad, if not ten times worse, than the British. In fact, one of the direct causes of the revolution was the proclamation of 1763, attempting to limit conflict between the settlers and native americans.

The American colonists weren't natives of America, like the Iraqis are natives of Iraq, but English settlers or the descendents of English settlers. British soldiers were not an invading force that had conquered their land, they were soldiers of the lawful government of that land.

When they decided to rebel against their lawful government, the colonies were essentially betraying the crown. They were traitors. That's all there is to it.

"once I asked god let me speak to the least important non-fool and he answerd 'what is it'."

No, you're completely failing to grasp the point.

Firstly, don't bother bringing the native americans into this. They had practically nothing to do with the American revolution, and the USA oppressed them just as bad, if not ten times worse, than the British. In fact, one of the direct causes of the revolution was the proclamation of 1763, attempting to limit conflict between the settlers and native americans.

The American colonists weren't natives of America, like the Iraqis are natives of Iraq, but English settlers or the descendents of English settlers. British soldiers were not an invading force that had conquered their land, they were soldiers of the lawful government of that land.

When they decided to rebel against their lawful government, the colonies were essentially betraying the crown. They were traitors. That's all there is to it.
Dang need to come hear at night more often you guys are good

But every country needs its myths. And the heroic nature of the American Revolution is one of those myths. It was an unjustified rebellion.
not true they could have given us a seat and it would have turned out the same anyway but we were being ruled by a king and he was deciding that instead of make a small amount of our money he was gonna tax every bleetin thing he could come up with he taxed paper, he taxed tea and while modern america might not find that a big deal the colonists did, by the way it was considered corrupt to charge more than what was needed to run, and remember that the king forgot he wasn't master of all that was seen under British rule he forgot that do one to may things wrong and bang rebellion he could at least be considered stupid and clueless

And there was nothing really that noble about the Revolution. People changed sides all the time. About a fifth of the American population couldn't stand the new republic and moved to British rule in Canada. There must have been a good reason for that.
I hope you know we were a confederacy and that about a fifth of america was torys.

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*confused look* you got this stuff off a tv cartoon show??

anyway

both arnold and washington were traitors to the british crown. thats what a revolution is about.

both started out as patriots to the american cause of independance.

did y'all forget that arnold led a march on quebec? he was hardly a mole for the brits. he just got pissy and changed sides later

THAT is what makes him a traitor to both the british and the americans and yes we have a right to "hate" him. although i do find it difficult to hate a man 200 years dead.

i dont suppose the american revolution had any great justification. *shrug* thats not my problem today. today i enjoy the results of their "treason". cant argue with results.