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The truth is, we can beat Bush, the Republicans want us to think we have no chance, so we wont vote, or rally, or anything, but the truth is the majority of America is for Kerry, are we going to let electoral votes stand in our way? HELL NO!!!! Michael Moore is the inspiration to this thread, to read his inspiring speech (which you SHOULD READ even if your not a fan of him) go to www.michaelmoore.com to read his exciting inspiring rally-the-troops type speech! It really makes you want to do something, but dont take my word for it, DO IT!!! Also his e-mail: mmflint@aol.com.

What do you mean, "let electoral votes stand in your way"? That's how the president is elected...

And yes, give up Democrats!

*from a fierce conservative Christian*

I SAW THAT SPEECH YESTERDAY!!! Yeah, its true, we cant give up, the future of America and her reputation is at steak here! I e-mailed Michael Moore, but I dont expect to get a responce or for him to even read my letter, hes probably so busy right now. We cant let those Bastard Republicans get the best of us!

Do not feed the Fierce Conservative Christians

What do you mean, "let electoral votes stand in your way"? That's how the president is elected...

And yes, give up Democrats!

*from a fierce conservative Christian*

BBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Its obvious that what he meant was, the more people vote the better we can overcome the electoral votes. and your gay! Your dumb and if you care about America you wouldnt vote Bush!

*from a fierce conservative Christian*

In other words, most likely very un-Christ-like indeed.

Do not feed the Fierce Conservative Christians

Yeah they might start running up their dirt road screeming YYYEEEEEEEEEAA-HHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Its obvious that what he meant was, the more people vote the better we can overcome the electoral votes. and your gay! Your dumb and if you care about America you wouldnt vote Bush!

Wow. Nice argument, you proved a lot to me about my critical views by calling me gay. And why would I be conservative if I'm gay? Oh right. Yeah, that's called irony.

I love when people make fun of me for being Christian :)

Wow. Nice argument, you proved a lot to me about my critical views by calling me gay. And why would I be conservative if I'm gay? Oh right. Yeah, that's called irony.

I love when people make fun of me for being Christian :)

Im Christain, its just that Bush brings a bad name to us, please, dont put religion in front of your country and your countrys safety, reputation prosperity, and all that other good stuff.

I love when people think they are superior to other people because they think that they're christian. If anyone is truly christian, they can't be conservative. You can't love your fellow man and yet only be willing to look out for yourself at the same time.

BBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Its obvious that what he meant was, the more people vote the better we can overcome the electoral votes. and your gay! Your dumb and if you care about America you wouldnt vote Bush!

While I agree with your sentiment, I use of the word "gay" as an implication of inferiority rubs me the wrong way. I know it's a colloquialism, but it's a little offensive (I have two homosexual aunts, and they're both very cool, intelligent, caring people).

[Napoleon Dynomite #3]
I SAW THAT SPEECH YESTERDAY!!! Yeah, its true, we cant give up, the future of America and her reputation is at steak here! I e-mailed Michael Moore, but I dont expect to get a responce or for him to even read my letter, hes probably so busy right now. We cant let those Bastard Republicans get the best of us!


Yes it's true..!

America's reputation is at steak...!

And that steak is GOOD...!




And do take heart from that self-promoting pig. He's fleeced you. He can fleece all America..! And the world..

Wow. Nice argument, you proved a lot to me about my critical views by calling me gay. And why would I be conservative if I'm gay? Oh right. Yeah, that's called irony.

I love when people make fun of me for being Christian :)

Persecution complex, anyone? There was nothing in the entire post you replied to about Christianity.

As for gay conservatives - they're called Log Cabin Republicans - and they are *true conservatives,* not "let me rule your life because I think I am right in all things" conservatives.

I am not a member of one of the standard, mainstream religions. I've been picked on for that by others. As such, I'd rather this not degrade into religious mudslinging.

But on topic, it's important that we stand for our convictions. There are a lot of newly registered voters out there. Things could change. We'll be out in force, I'm sure.

I am the person who wrote that, and I must apologize, I meant to write and if your gay! what i meant by that is, if your gay, bush gives you no chance, my barbers gay, and hes a very, very cool person, gay doesnt bother me at all!

but the truth is the majority of America is for Kerry

Hey, why not just spout unsubstantiated nonsense that reflects no facts, just your oppinion that what you believe most Americans believe. Boy you libs are sure gonna be mad in November when Bush creams Kerry.

The fat lady is singing and she's singing "I'm proud to be an American" not the tune to "Flipper".

How anyone can vote for a guy who continues to change his position every week is beyond me. Kerry just came out with a new one this week on Iraq..."I would not have invaded Iraq and gotten rid of Saddam" which is directly opposite from his position a month ago "I still would have invaded Iraq even if I had known there were no weapons of mass destruction".

Seriously, a guy who flip flops in the wind can not lead our great country. Who do the terrrorists hope is the next President? Case closed, they sure don't want Bush.

Don't you all love it when someone thinks their statements are so important they have to html them into titanic proportions? I know I do. Shows character. Maybe we should all start posting in size 7 font... it's [ size=7 ] without the spaces between the text and the brackets. C'mon everyone, let's try it!

I am the person who wrote that, and I must apologize, I meant to write and if your gay! what i meant by that is, if your gay, bush gives you no chance, my barbers gay, and hes a very, very cool person, gay doesnt bother me at all!

Duly noted. Thanks for the clarification :).

[Napoleon Dynomite #3]
I SAW THAT SPEECH YESTERDAY!!! Yeah, its true, we cant give up, the future of America and her reputation is at steak here! I e-mailed Michael Moore, but I dont expect to get a responce or for him to even read my letter, hes probably so busy right now. We cant let those Bastard Republicans get the best of us!


Yes it's true..!

America's reputation is at steak...!

And that steak is GOOD...!




And do take heart from that self-promoting pig. He's fleeced you. He can fleece all America..! And the world..

Hmm, why are conservatives so worried about a successful businessman making money? It's not like he's done anything like outsourcing his labor to make some extra money, or polluting the environment and helping the Bush administration rewrite pollution regulations just to make more money. It's not like he sold off all his stock right before his company went bankrupt or anything.

Just remember, boys and girls:

Michael Moore = Greedy Capitalist = Bad

Big Corporations = Greedy Capitalists = Good

I support Bush for more than his religious views. I also agree on economics, war in Iraq, etc.

Actually, Kerry's positions have been misrepresented by Bush's political propagandists. In MOST cases there were subtle changes to the bills, or the wording IMPLIED something Kerry wasn't willing to approve.

I support Bush for more than his religious views. I also agree on economics, war in Iraq, etc.

This scares me a little. Should a president's religious views be a factor? I don't think so. Separation of church and state, people. Faith based initiatives are AGAINST the constitution. "In God We Trust" on our money is AGAINST the constitution. "One nation, under God" recited in public schools is AGAINST the constitution. Why doesn't anyone fight to maintain that separation so we don't become a huge theocracy? We need to replace the fundie in office with someone who will keep his religion out of my country.

Actually, Kerry's positions have been misrepresented by Bush's political propagandists. In MOST cases there were subtle changes to the bills, or the wording IMPLIED something Kerry wasn't willing to approve.

On somethings maybe, but he has been all over the place on Iraq.

The fat lady is singing and she's singing "I'm proud to be an American" not the tune to "Flipper".

How anyone can vote for a guy who continues to change his position every week is beyond me. Kerry just came out with a new one this week on Iraq..."I would not have invaded Iraq and gotten rid of Saddam" which is directly opposite from his position a month ago "I still would have invaded Iraq even if I had known there were no weapons of mass destruction".

Seriously, a guy who flip flops in the wind can not lead our great country. Who do the terrrorists hope is the next President? Case closed, they sure don't want Bush.

LIE! An oft repeated (and still incorrect) lie! Kerry has never once said he would have invaded Iraq. He has made it clear he voted for the authorization, but not the war. It's not his fault you have difficulty with large words

Bush, on the other hand, is the BIG FLIP FLOPPER:

The War On Terror Can't Be Won
We Are Winning The War On Terror

Gay Marriage is a States Rights Issue
We're Working On An Amendment Banning Gay Marriage

We Are Not Interested In Nation Building
We Are in Iraq to Liberate Them And Build A Democracy

We Will Get Osama, Dead or Alive
Osama Isn't A Priority

and many many more, but these here are of such a large scope, how can the Republicans possibly trumpet Kerry as the flip-flopper? How are they consistently getting 2+2=5?

Actually, Kerry's positions have been misrepresented by Bush's political propagandists. In MOST cases there were subtle changes to the bills, or the wording IMPLIED something Kerry wasn't willing to approve.

"I actually voted for John Kerry, before I voted against John Kerry!"

Bush, on the other hand, is the BIG FLIP FLOPPER:

The War On Terror Can't Be Won
We Are Winning The War On Terror

Yeah, I caught that one... Bush unscripted is a very scary thing...

Gay Marriage is a States Rights Issue
We're Working On An Amendment Banning Gay Marriage

We Are Not Interested In Nation Building
We Are in Iraq to Liberate Them And Build A Democracy

We Will Get Osama, Dead or Alive
Osama Isn't A Priority

And to this day Osama is free. If we didn't focus on Saddam, maybe we would have got the man who caused 9/11.

I just turned 18. I am registered to vote and I'm voting for Kerry. I belong to no political party. My reasoning is that Bush tends to want to only benefit the rich. I'm upper class but I'm not selfish enough to vote for Bush because of that. Basically it comes down to: Do the number of sensible and non-selfish people outnumber the combined rich and rednecks?

"I actually voted for John Kerry, before I voted against John Kerry!"

This is the most pernicious lie of all.

FACT: Kerry voted for the first version of the bill (which Bush said he would veto.)

FACT: The Republican majority voted against that same version, making themselves the ones who successfully blocked a version of the $87 billion dollar appropriations bill.

Fact: Kerry voted against the second version of the bill, both as a protest to the way Bush went about the war (see, Kerry was against the war even then,) and because he saw the bill as fiscally irresponsible for not including language about how the bill would be paid for and for not holding the Bush administration more accountable for how the money would be spent.

FACT: This version of the bill passed.

FACT: The soldiers did not get their armor.

FACT: Another miserable failure by the Republicans and the Bush administration.

I am a Sunni Muslim in the United States. I was born naturally in Malmo, Sweden(my keyboard doesn't support the umlaut, or the double-dots above the 'a', incase any other Scandinavians are watching). I was one of the people protesting against the PATRIOT Act during the RNC in New York. I have nothing but respect for people who disagree with my beliefs. I am not a Jew hater or any of those more disrespectful stereotypes many Americans have been conditioned to believe by the Republican Party's version of the Soviet Pravda: Fox News. That being said, I must express my displeasure with those people who would want to give Bush 'four more years'. Ever since his creation of the PATRIOT Act, I have been dragged out of my school by the KBI (Kansas version of the FBI) and been subject to hours of agonizing interrogation. In New York City I was amongst the thousand or so people that were brutally harassed by the NYPD. I was locked up in a horrible makeshift jail out on Pier 57 (for a very detailed description of conditions in New York City during the RNC, please read this article: http://alternet.org/rights/19818/). I have been the subject of virulent brutality and ignorance-spawnned slander, and for what? A war on terror that many don't realize has utterly failed? For those who don't bother to check the facts, we've stopped looking for Al-Qaida. Iraq DID NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITIES TO ATTACK US. SADDAM WAS NOT PLANNING ANYTHING! They couldn't have done anything to Iran, even! America has nothing to fear but its own very screwed up policy of wiping before shitting, or whatever those clever bastards at Fox News like to sugar-coat it as.

My fellow Americans, I want to know how you can remain so blind to the true enemy. It is not some vague and ever-elusive Al-Qaida, or some 'towelheads in the dirt'. It is the so-called 'conservatives' of America. From the Founding Fathers to this very day, they have manipulated you like chess pieces. You must stop being pussy liberals and be Americans. You have to stop letting the system handle everything for you and make it your business to make the system work for you and for the good of all. Because of the conservatives, 1/3 of America's awesome wealth is in the hands of only 1% of the population. Please read Howard Zinn's "People's History of the United States". The facts are there. The history of conservative oppression from the day of Independence to our modern world today is there.

Don't you all love it when someone thinks their statements are so important they have to html them into titanic proportions? I know I do. Shows character. Maybe we should all start posting in size 7 font... it's [ size=7 ] without the spaces between the text and the brackets. C'mon everyone, let's try it!

Yes,.. yes..!

Do it..! I, personally, have WAY too much screen realestate..!!

Oh,... damn,... "sarcasm" tags... crap..!

If only you'd be serious, occassionally,.. we'd all have MUCH more respect for you..!

:D

This is just a joke, but:

Bush: "All your votes are belong to us! You have no chance . . . make your time! Ha. Ha. Ha."

Hey, why not just spout unsubstantiated nonsense that reflects no facts, just your oppinion that what you believe most Americans believe. Boy you libs are sure gonna be mad in November when Bush creams Kerry.

I'm not sure how this election is going to sway, but I think it will be surprising as to whether it is close or not... and I think Bush will win this one.

BTW, a large of John Kerry voters do not like John Kerry but are rather protest votes against Bush. There were a number of polls I believe that highlighted that. Even people I know are only voting Kerry because they'd rather have him over Bush. I don't think John Kerry has as strong a backing as Bush, but enough people dislike Bush to give Kerry some playing cards.

BBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Its obvious that what he meant was, the more people vote the better we can overcome the electoral votes. and your gay! Your dumb and if you care about America you wouldnt vote Bush!


That is certainly an example of making Bush-bashers look uninformed and uneducated...


I support Bush for more than his religious views. I also agree on economics, war in Iraq, etc.

I think Bush draws much of his support from his economic and religious views. The War in Iraq seems to be drawing people away from his support base, however. That's why he's constantly trying to show that Iraq was necessary, or at least the right thing to do.

Just letting yall know, there's a damn good chance this election will be a TIE.

If Kerry takes Florida, but loses New Hampshire, Iowa, and Arkansas (as he probably will), and Colorado's planned electoral split goes ahead, it's 269 to 269.

In which case the House elects Bush, and the Senate possibly elects Edwards as Vice prez (the Senate races are damn close, too).


Just FYI.

Anyways, if Kerry loses Florida, he lost, PERIOD.

If he takes Florida, there's a good chance he wins, and a great chance he tied.

It all hangs on Florida, AGAIN.

This election is so damn close it's not funny.

Don't trust the national polls, you need to go state by state.

And it all hangs on Florida.

Here's several polls from Florida http://www.electoral-vote.com/states/florida.html

It's freakin tied, hasn't budged outside of the margin of error since Bush's RNC bounce.

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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/richlowry/rl20040913.shtml

John Kerry, explained
Rich Lowry (archive)


September 13, 2004 | Print | Send


John Kerry's defenders complain that the Massachusetts senator has always had a consistent, even if "nuanced," position on the Iraq War. All it takes, they say, is a little attention, and what he believes becomes clear. They are right. Kerry's position can be easily distilled in a few hundred words, as follows:

If Saddam Hussein invades a neighboring country, as he did in 1990, and a massive international coalition is mustered against him, as it was, the president of the United States should not be authorized to take military action. But if the president launches military action and it is successful, he's all for it.

If in 2002 Saddam continues to defy the United Nations, but in much murkier circumstances than 1991 -- there's no invasion of a neighbor, for instance -- the president should be authorized to take military action. If the president takes such action and topples Saddam, he's for it. But if Howard Dean gains in the Democratic primaries in early 2004, he's against it.

In that event, if the war that he authorized needs funding, he's against it. If American troops need more body armor, he criticizes President Bush for not providing it. But if funding for such armor is in the $87 billion bill to fund the war, which he authorized and once supported but no longer supports even though he authorized it, he's against it.

If -- prior to readjusting fully to the Dean surge -- he is asked about the $87 billion, he believes voting against it would be "irresponsible." Later -- after vanquishing Dean, and as he tries to move to the center -- if he is criticized for actually voting against the $87 billion, he explains that he voted for it, before voting against it. He voted for it because it would be wrong to abandon our troops, but he voted against it because it would be wrong to support the war the troops are fighting in, which he once supported, but now opposes, even though he supports the troops as long as they can fight it without new funding.

If Kerry is welcoming another Democrat who voted against the $87 billion onto his ticket, John Edwards, he is "proud" of the vote he called "irresponsible," even if he didn't cast that vote as commonly understood, since he voted for it, before he voted against it, and even if he did vote against it, it was the right thing to do because he was against the war after he was for it, which is plenty reason to be proud.

If Kerry needs criticisms to hurl at Bush, it is unacceptable that Bush didn't muster the international coalition of the first Gulf War, which he opposed (before he was for it). If there are no WMDs in Iraq, Bush misled us into war, even though Kerry himself said the same thing about WMDs, misleading the public into supporting a war that he would support only for as long as he didn't oppose it.

If pressed to say whether he would have voted to authorize the war despite not finding WMDs, he supports voting the same way, authorizing a war that he eventually opposed, even though it deserved his authorization vote and still does today, despite his opposition to it. If criticizing Bush's postwar management, he supports more troops in Iraq. If criticizing Bush's postwar management, he supports pulling troops out of Iraq in six months.

If desperate to gain post-August traction against Bush, he thinks Iraq is "the wrong war, in the wrong place, at the wrong time." Although he would vote again to authorize the wrong war, so long as he wouldn't be committed to voting to fund it, at least not committed to voting to fund it in a circumstance where he couldn't immediately also vote against funding it to demonstrate how he opposed the wrong war he supported and would authorize again.

See? It's simple.

As a nation we must vote for a new leader. I have been to several europen nations in the past year and anti - U.S. sentiments are very high right now. I also spent 5 months in Iraq in the 101st Airborne. And I can tell you it was a waste of time, money and energy. I have lost five of my buddies over there and I couldn't tell you what they died for. They where good men, and shouldn't have gone that way. As Soldiers we are afraid to speak out against this. That's why it up to everyone that cares about our Troops speak out for us. Support our Troops VOTE Kerry! Also check out vetsforkerry.com

[Mongol-Swedes #30]
I am a Sunni Muslim in the United States. I was born naturally in Malmo, Sweden(my keyboard doesn't support the umlaut, or the double-dots above the 'a', incase any other Scandinavians are watching). I was one of the people protesting against the PATRIOT Act during the RNC in New York. I have nothing but respect for people who disagree with my beliefs. I am not a Jew hater or any of those more disrespectful stereotypes many Americans have been conditioned to believe by the Republican Party's version of the Soviet Pravda: Fox News. That being said, I must express my displeasure with those people who would want to give Bush 'four more years'. Ever since his creation of the PATRIOT Act, I have been dragged out of my school by the KBI (Kansas version of the FBI) and been subject to hours of agonizing interrogation. In New York City I was amongst the thousand or so people that were brutally harassed by the NYPD. I was locked up in a horrible makeshift jail out on Pier 57 (for a very detailed description of conditions in New York City during the RNC, please read this article: http://alternet.org/rights/19818/). I have been the subject of virulent brutality and ignorance-spawnned slander, and for what? A war on terror that many don't realize has utterly failed? For those who don't bother to check the facts, we've stopped looking for Al-Qaida. Iraq DID NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITIES TO ATTACK US. SADDAM WAS NOT PLANNING ANYTHING! They couldn't have done anything to Iran, even! America has nothing to fear but its own very screwed up policy of wiping before shitting, or whatever those clever bastards at Fox News like to sugar-coat it as.

My fellow Americans, I want to know how you can remain so blind to the true enemy. It is not some vague and ever-elusive Al-Qaida, or some 'towelheads in the dirt'. It is the so-called 'conservatives' of America. From the Founding Fathers to this very day, they have manipulated you like chess pieces. You must stop being pussy liberals and be Americans. You have to stop letting the system handle everything for you and make it your business to make the system work for you and for the good of all. Because of the conservatives, 1/3 of America's awesome wealth is in the hands of only 1% of the population. Please read Howard Zinn's "People's History of the United States". The facts are there. The history of conservative oppression from the day of Independence to our modern world today is there.

A plant.

A composite.

An invention. Thank you Jayson Blair.

Go Leftists..! :D

[Zukes #36]
As a nation we must vote for a new leader. I have been to several europen nations in the past year and anti - U.S. sentiments are very high right now. I also spent 5 months in Iraq in the 101st Airborne. And I can tell you it was a waste of time, money and energy. I have lost five of my buddies over there and I couldn't tell you what they died for. They where good men, and shouldn't have gone that way. As Soldiers we are afraid to speak out against this. That's why it up to everyone that cares about our Troops speak out for us. Support our Troops VOTE Kerry! Also check out vetsforkerry.com

This is your first post..?

Yet another planted story.

The left will stop at nothing.....

The left will stop at nothing

This is easily met by "The right will stop at nothing".

Statements like that are true, but not helpful.

After what Fox News has been doing for four years, there's nothing left to stop at. I'm not some average, shameful, indecisive 'Leftist' who left his balls in his mother's womb.

[/INDENT]

This is your first post..?

Yet another planted story.

The left will stop at nothing.....

A plant.

A composite.

An invention. Thank you Jayson Blair.

Go Leftists..!

Nice to know the psychic conservative squad is on the case, or do you make a practice of summarily denying anything that goes against your beliefs without factual backup?

As a nation we must vote for a new leader. I have been to several europen nations in the past year and anti - U.S. sentiments are very high right now. I also spent 5 months in Iraq in the 101st Airborne. And I can tell you it was a waste of time, money and energy. I have lost five of my buddies over there and I couldn't tell you what they died for. They where good men, and shouldn't have gone that way. As Soldiers we are afraid to speak out against this. That's why it up to everyone that cares about our Troops speak out for us. Support our Troops VOTE Kerry! Also check out vetsforkerry.com
Troops can vote for themselves... and they vote mostly Republican. So stop trying to represent people you don't.

This is the most pernicious lie of all.

FACT: Kerry voted for the first version of the bill (which Bush said he would veto.)

FACT: The Republican majority voted against that same version, making themselves the ones who successfully blocked a version of the $87 billion dollar appropriations bill.

Fact: Kerry voted against the second version of the bill, both as a protest to the way Bush went about the war (see, Kerry was against the war even then,) and because he saw the bill as fiscally irresponsible for not including language about how the bill would be paid for and for not holding the Bush administration more accountable for how the money would be spent.

FACT: This version of the bill passed.

FACT: The soldiers did not get their armor.

FACT: Another miserable failure by the Republicans and the Bush administration.

Whoa, big guy, just making a joke, for the love of Pete. Didn't have to get all political on my candy ass.

Troops can vote for themselves... and they vote mostly Republican. So stop trying to represent people you don't.

Uhh...isn't that how politics works? So if a black man says "I support Bush and so do many of my friends," you would respond "blacks can vote for themselves...and they mostly vote Democrat. So stop trying to represent people you don't." :confused:

Uhh...isn't that how politics works? So if a black man says "I support Bush and so do many of my friends," you would respond "blacks can vote for themselves...and they mostly vote Democrat. So stop trying to represent people you don't." :confused:
I would tell him to stop representing people he didn't if he said that everyone who cares about Blacks would vote Republican as if he knew the truth and everyone else who he claims to know the best about was wrong.

Yes,.. yes..!
Do it..! I, personally, have WAY too much screen realestate..!!
Oh,... damn,... "sarcasm" tags... crap..!
If only you'd be serious, occassionally,.. we'd all have MUCH more respect for you..!


Yawn...

Heh. Except maybe for one Bush supporter, no one else who might probably have a Bush/Cheney poster stuck in their front lawn has addressed the facts, just talking smack on the people that throw up some fact on the Kerry side of the fence. Kinda like Fox News. MoveOn.org has got the facts as far as that media conglomerate is concerned, but that's really not an issue as far as practial country management is concerned.

Just a thought, but let's get back to the issues, not just complaining about a person's wording or who they represent.

Bush has failed to keep his country focused on Al-Qaida, which was supposedly the reason for getting militarily active in Afghanistan. This is fact.

Our nation is not united but infact very cleanly divided. The polls and statistics show it. Now instead of being a 'plant', I'll let those who disagree with me look for those numbers themselves. I am not a media man.

The PATRIOT Act is a clear violation of the Constitution. You don't need statistics or a sheet of scientific fact to see that. But, if you're one of those people who think American government is infalliable, look at Russia. Since their latest terrorism incident, they're nearly mirrored our way of doing things, like eliminating checks and balances to consolidate power in the Executive Branch, or in Russia, the Kremlin. Safety from foreign influence is not an excuse to circumvent the Constitution. That's what 'Communist' China has been doing. Imagine if the protestors at the RNC had been gunned down like the students at Tiananmen Square. Not to compare oranges with apples, which seems to be the Right's best defense against 'liberal' sensibility, but to draw association.

I support Bush for more than his religious views. I also agree on economics, war in Iraq, etc.

ah yes, the teachings of jesus.

blessed are the warmongers, blessed are the elite who profit off the suffering of others, blessed are the usurers and money changers, blessed are the bigots and persecuters, etc, for they shall inherit both the kingdoms of heaven and earth.

funny, that's not how i remember it.

'Compassionate Conservatism' is a flat-out lie when you consider the very violent nature of the PATRIOT Act concerning foreigners and religious minorities. Faith-based government isn't going to preserve morality. Religion and morality are not necessarily hand-in-hand. Otherwise those folks in the Bible, or the Koran, or any other religious doctrine, wouldn't have been sacrificing lambs or whatnot to a god or The Almighty. Today, we have laws that ban cruelty to animals, theoretically, anyway.

Michael Moore is the inspiration to this thread

This is where I stopped reading.

The fat lady is singing and she's singing "I'm proud to be an American" not the tune to "Flipper".

If Bush wins, then the fat lady is actually saying "Papers, comrade?"

How anyone can vote for a guy who continues to change his position every week is beyond me.

How anyone can vote for a guy who has already demonstrated four years of tearing down the very foundations of this country, science, and the environment is beyond me.

Seriously, a guy who flip flops in the wind can not lead our great country.

A guy who won't admit he's wrong even when the evidence has shown him to be so can't lead our great country. And he's leading it into the ground. At least Kerry will not be a second-term president as Bush would be. If Bush is elected, he will have no reason not to go even more radical - since he won't have to worry about reelection.

Who do the terrrorists hope is the next President? Case closed, they sure don't want Bush.

Well, Bush is swelling their ranks and inducing world-wide sympathy for them - so I wouldn't doubt if they liked him just fine.

[Chodolo #39]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iakeokeo
The left will stop at nothing


This is easily met by "The right will stop at nothing".

Statements like that are true, but not helpful.



You're quite right. :)

And that's why "facts" are so lightly weighted around here.

It's "point of view" and "opinion" which shows the real "persuasiveness" of one's "argument".

The question on ANY topic in forums like this is "is the person expressing their opinion someone that I can sympathize with?" Do I "get" where this person is coming from..?

And, curious enough, it's also the way that a leader is chosen. Which infuriates the "over-intellectualizer".

It's the "movement on the field", not the "goals scored" that is telling.

This is, of course, as always, just my opinion. :)

[Gymoor #41]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iakeokeo

This is your first post..?

Yet another planted story.

The left will stop at nothing.....

A plant.

A composite.

An invention. Thank you Jayson Blair.

Go Leftists..!


Nice to know the psychic conservative squad is on the case, or do you make a practice of summarily denying anything that goes against your beliefs without factual backup?

Heh he he he he he....

I'm simply stating my opinion on that posting. :)

I don't need to "prove" anything. I'm not Dan Rather.

Oopsey,... he didn't feel he had to either..! My mistake.

:D

I don't think John Kerry has as strong a backing as Bush, but enough people dislike Bush to give Kerry some playing cards.

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You mean "I don't think that Kerry has as much money as Bush" that is what it is all about.

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Ashcroft: Those who speak against this Administration only give ammunition to terror.

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Heh. Except maybe for one Bush supporter, no one else who might probably have a Bush/Cheney poster stuck in their front lawn has addressed the facts, just talking smack on the people that throw up some fact on the Kerry side of the fence. Kinda like Fox News. MoveOn.org has got the facts as far as that media conglomerate is concerned, but that's really not an issue as far as practial country management is concerned.

Just a thought, but let's get back to the issues, not just complaining about a person's wording or who they represent.

Bush has failed to keep his country focused on Al-Qaida, which was supposedly the reason for getting militarily active in Afghanistan. This is fact.

Our nation is not united but infact very cleanly divided. The polls and statistics show it. Now instead of being a 'plant', I'll let those who disagree with me look for those numbers themselves. I am not a media man.

The PATRIOT Act is a clear violation of the Constitution. You don't need statistics or a sheet of scientific fact to see that. But, if you're one of those people who think American government is infalliable, look at Russia. Since their latest terrorism incident, they're nearly mirrored our way of doing things, like eliminating checks and balances to consolidate power in the Executive Branch, or in Russia, the Kremlin. Safety from foreign influence is not an excuse to circumvent the Constitution. That's what 'Communist' China has been doing. Imagine if the protestors at the RNC had been gunned down like the students at Tiananmen Square. Not to compare oranges with apples, which seems to be the Right's best defense against 'liberal' sensibility, but to draw association.



.."MoveOn.org has got the facts as far as that media conglomerate is concerned, but that's really not an issue as far as practial country management is concerned."..

Very objective. :D

On your other issues, I suggest you find a lawyer and sue whomever one would sue to declare the PATRIOT act unconstitutional.

Until it is declared so, deal with it.

No government is infallible. If things get especially "abhorant" to the majority of the populace, the populace will do something about it.

When that occurs we'll be on the same side. Unless it's the liberals that are doing the "abhorant" thing, then we'll all see excuse after excuse.

Gee,.. that sounds quite a lot like the situation today,.. in reverse..!

Imagine that...?!

..and the game continues. :)

You mean "I don't think that Kerry has as much money as Bush" that is what it is all about.
Kerry has substantially more money than Bush, if that is what you are getting at.

Kerry has substantially more money than Bush, if that is what you are getting at.

Thought Bush did...

google here I come...

I take heart in knowing that the maker of this thread has polled all of america.

:sniper: *shoots down the Patriot Act*
I'm voting for Bush, but mostly because he's Pro-Life
Kerry approves of killing babies.
www.abortionismurder.com

:sniper: *shoots down the Patriot Act*
I'm voting for Bush, but mostly because he's Pro-Life
Kerry approves of killing babies.
www.abortionismurder.com

bwahahha...I assume you know the difference between fetuses and babies, right? Or was the confusion intentional? I'm guessing the latter. I'm also guessing you're a guy who distinctly lacks perspective on what it means to be pregnant. And...this is for another thread.

Rest assured, one of the reasons I am voting for Kerry is because he is pro-choice (well, as pro-choice as you can get before political suicide). :rolleyes:

bwahahha...I assume you know the difference between fetuses and babies, right? Or was the confusion intentional? I'm guessing the latter. I'm also guessing you're a guy who distinctly lacks perspective on what it means to be pregnant. And...this is for another thread.

Rest assured, one of the reasons I am voting for Kerry is because he is pro-choice (well, as pro-choice as you can get before political suicide). :rolleyes:

I have a personal abborance of abortion. However, I can see no practical, or moral for that matter, way around keeping that sort of decision anywhere but with the individual pregnant female. It's not something that keeps me awake at night, but it is a moral conundrum. We seem to be facing more and more of those as time ( and medical science ) rolls on.