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Its been a long time since I've posted here but I'm back. College exams be darned. To get all the liberals riled up and to get everyone mad at me, I'm here to post a rather serious article about voting:

Asleep at the Wheel
Neal Boortz
9/24/04

If you’re reading this on Friday, September 24th, there are 41 days until the election. Forty-one days until the voters of this country – the 20% who are truly qualified to cast a vote, the 60% who aren’t and the 20% whom you just can’t really get a handle on – will chose the next Commander in Chief of the U.S. armed forces; The next wartime Commander in Chief.

As you can tell from the first paragraph, I get a bit antsy just before major elections. On the morning of November 2nd hoards of people who haven’t had a working relationship with a clue since they took their first driver’s test are going to be participating in a decision-making process that will have profound implications of my life and the life of my child long after I’ve been tucked in for the eternal, celestial dirt nap.

Frankly, I’m scared to death.

I think that it would be a safe bet to say that somewhere around 35 to 40% of the voters who manage to find their way to the polling place on November 2nd are going to be voting with one thought in mind: Which one of the people on this ballot will take the most money away from people I don’t particularly like and then either give that money to or spend that money on me. If you want to talk about suppressing the vote … these are the people I would like to see locked in their homes on Election Day.

I am now and have been for years a firm advocate of developing a system to limit the people who can vote in this country. We need to find a way to restrict the number of people who can vote. If we don’t weed out the chaff soon it may well be too late.

Don’t give me that “democracy” nonsense. In spite of what you hear from your government school teacher, your leftist college professor, or that smiling talking head on television, we are not a democracy. Never were. Weren’t supposed to be. You won’t find the word “democracy” in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States or in any constitution of any of the 50 States. There’s a reason for that. Our founding fathers hated the idea of democracy. They knew that a government of majority rule would dissolve into a tyranny of plunder and chaos.

In anticipation of yet another knee-jerk response to my proposal that we limit voting, let me remind you that there is absolutely no constitutional guarantee of your right to vote in any federal election. Do some reading. It isn’t there. A latte to the person who can find anything in our Constitution that sounds remotely like “each citizen shall have the right to vote in a federal election.” Happy hunting.

Suggestions? OK, here you go. Chose the one you like the best and let’s start a movement.

1. Welfare recipients. Those who depend on government forced income redistribution should stay at home on election day and enjoy the fruits of plunder. With all the opportunity that America offers, if you haven’t managed to obtain some level of self-sufficiency by the time you’re a young adult then you should leave important decisions, like who’s going to lead this country, to more qualified citizens.

2. Voters without a clue. Less than one-fourth of Americans can name the two Senators from their home state. The majority of Americans can’t tell you who the Secretary of State or the Vice President is. As voters enter a polling place they should be given a simple short quiz. Name your congressman, your two Senators and the Vice President. Those who successfully answer ALL the questions get sent to a voting machine that actually works. Those who can’t pass this simple citizenship test get shuttled off to a voting machine with no innards. They can punch buttons to their heart’s content, but all they’re getting is some rather lame exercise. They voted, they’re happy. We know their votes don’t count. We’re ecstatic!

I have more ideas, but not enough space. For those of you who do believe strongly that everyone should be able to vote, I have an alternate proposal. President Calvin Coolidge once said that “The business of America is business.” Let’s put that concept to work at the voting booth. Let’s treat America like a business and make every American a shareholder. Shareholders get to vote their shares at the shareholder’s meeting every two years.

Did I say shares? Plural? Yup. Just as with any business corporation, not everyone has the same number of shares. Just how do you acquire shares in America, Inc.? Well, you have one share issued to you just by virtue of your being a citizen. You buy additional shares by paying income taxes.

Sounds intriguing, doesn’t it?

We can work on the numbers when we get closer to implementing the plan, but for now let’s just say that you get one additional share in America, Inc. for each $25,000 in income taxes you pay during the tax year preceding the election. If you paid $24,999.00 or less in income taxes in 2003, you get one vote in the 2004. Taxpayers forking over between $25,000 and $49,999 get two votes, and so on. A taxpayer who pays $200,000 in income taxes will be casting eight votes on election day. To keep Hillary from controlling an election the next time she gets a huge bonus to write a book we’ll go ahead and make eight the maximum number of votes any individual can cast.

Don’t you just love it? The people who actually fuel our economy with their hard work and attention to decisions will get a greater voice in the direction our country takes! What a concept!

end or article

Talk away, and try to stay on topic.

yeah, because ceos work so much harder than the lower and middle class

Its been a long time since I've posted here but I'm back. College exams be darned. To get all the liberals riled up and to get everyone mad at me, I'm here to post a rather serious article about voting:

Asleep at the Wheel
Neal Boortz
9/24/04

If you’re reading this on Friday, September 24th, there are 41 days until the election. Forty-one days until the voters of this country – the 20% who are truly qualified to cast a vote, the 60% who aren’t and the 20% whom you just can’t really get a handle on – will chose the next Commander in Chief of the U.S. armed forces; The next wartime Commander in Chief.

As you can tell from the first paragraph, I get a bit antsy just before major elections. On the morning of November 2nd hoards of people who haven’t had a working relationship with a clue since they took their first driver’s test are going to be participating in a decision-making process that will have profound implications of my life and the life of my child long after I’ve been tucked in for the eternal, celestial dirt nap.

Frankly, I’m scared to death.

I think that it would be a safe bet to say that somewhere around 35 to 40% of the voters who manage to find their way to the polling place on November 2nd are going to be voting with one thought in mind: Which one of the people on this ballot will take the most money away from people I don’t particularly like and then either give that money to or spend that money on me. If you want to talk about suppressing the vote … these are the people I would like to see locked in their homes on Election Day.

I am now and have been for years a firm advocate of developing a system to limit the people who can vote in this country. We need to find a way to restrict the number of people who can vote. If we don’t weed out the chaff soon it may well be too late.

Don’t give me that “democracy” nonsense. In spite of what you hear from your government school teacher, your leftist college professor, or that smiling talking head on television, we are not a democracy. Never were. Weren’t supposed to be. You won’t find the word “democracy” in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States or in any constitution of any of the 50 States. There’s a reason for that. Our founding fathers hated the idea of democracy. They knew that a government of majority rule would dissolve into a tyranny of plunder and chaos.

In anticipation of yet another knee-jerk response to my proposal that we limit voting, let me remind you that there is absolutely no constitutional guarantee of your right to vote in any federal election. Do some reading. It isn’t there. A latte to the person who can find anything in our Constitution that sounds remotely like “each citizen shall have the right to vote in a federal election.” Happy hunting.

Suggestions? OK, here you go. Chose the one you like the best and let’s start a movement.

1. Welfare recipients. Those who depend on government forced income redistribution should stay at home on election day and enjoy the fruits of plunder. With all the opportunity that America offers, if you haven’t managed to obtain some level of self-sufficiency by the time you’re a young adult then you should leave important decisions, like who’s going to lead this country, to more qualified citizens.

2. Voters without a clue. Less than one-fourth of Americans can name the two Senators from their home state. The majority of Americans can’t tell you who the Secretary of State or the Vice President is. As voters enter a polling place they should be given a simple short quiz. Name your congressman, your two Senators and the Vice President. Those who successfully answer ALL the questions get sent to a voting machine that actually works. Those who can’t pass this simple citizenship test get shuttled off to a voting machine with no innards. They can punch buttons to their heart’s content, but all they’re getting is some rather lame exercise. They voted, they’re happy. We know their votes don’t count. We’re ecstatic!

I have more ideas, but not enough space. For those of you who do believe strongly that everyone should be able to vote, I have an alternate proposal. President Calvin Coolidge once said that “The business of America is business.” Let’s put that concept to work at the voting booth. Let’s treat America like a business and make every American a shareholder. Shareholders get to vote their shares at the shareholder’s meeting every two years.

Did I say shares? Plural? Yup. Just as with any business corporation, not everyone has the same number of shares. Just how do you acquire shares in America, Inc.? Well, you have one share issued to you just by virtue of your being a citizen. You buy additional shares by paying income taxes.

Sounds intriguing, doesn’t it?

We can work on the numbers when we get closer to implementing the plan, but for now let’s just say that you get one additional share in America, Inc. for each $25,000 in income taxes you pay during the tax year preceding the election. If you paid $24,999.00 or less in income taxes in 2003, you get one vote in the 2004. Taxpayers forking over between $25,000 and $49,999 get two votes, and so on. A taxpayer who pays $200,000 in income taxes will be casting eight votes on election day. To keep Hillary from controlling an election the next time she gets a huge bonus to write a book we’ll go ahead and make eight the maximum number of votes any individual can cast.

Don’t you just love it? The people who actually fuel our economy with their hard work and attention to decisions will get a greater voice in the direction our country takes! What a concept!

end or article

Talk away, and try to stay on topic.

So the Rich get all the votes? How Fair...how noble that only those spoon fed money by birth of being rich start with more votes.

Second question name your Senators, congressman, etc. If you can't you shouldn't make a quiz based on same logic.

Welfare doesn't take away right to vote that is silly.
When is last time welfare people caused a bad president?

Ahh, so you prefer a type of Feudalism over Democracy.

no, no, she just thinks the rich are naturally better than the poor

yeah, because ceos work so much harder than the lower and middle class
And they get to set their own salaries too, pretty much, as well as the rest of the populace's incomes. So it would lead to the upper 1% maintaining their hegemony by ensuring no-one belows earns enough to influence the outcome.

Oh wait. They do that already.

And they get to set their own salaries too, pretty much, as well as the rest of the populace's incomes. So it would lead to the upper 1% maintaining their hegemony by ensuring no-one belows earns enough to influence the outcome.

Oh wait. They do that already.

but still, with poor people voting they might want to spend their money on things like public transportation and job security, and that wouldnt benifit the rich at all. the nerve of some people.

Second question name your Senators, congressman, etc. If you can't you shouldn't make a quiz based on same logic.

Senators - Jon Corzine, Frank Lautenberg (I should move!)
Congressman - Rob Andrews (I should really move!)
Governor - Jim McGreevey (Why haven't I moved?)
President - George Bush
Vice President - Dick Cheney
Secretary of State - Colin Powell
National Security Advisor - Condoleeza Rice
Secretary of Defense - Donald Rumsfeld
Deputy Secretary of Defense - Paul Wolfowitz
Attorney General - John Ashcroft
Secretary of Labor - Elaine Chao
Secretary of Homeland Security - Tom Ridge
Secretary of Agriculture - Ann Veneman
Secretary of the Treasury - John Snow
Secretary of the Interior - Gale Norton
Secretary of Education - Rod Paige
Secretary of Commerce - Don Evans
Secretary of Transportation - Norman Mineta

As I recall.

yeah, and the fact that the rich could get funding on their children's education and so on.. perpetuating a two class system. If every person voted in what actually was their own self interest things would work well.

The problem is, people dont. They think "more tax on high earners... dont want that" when most people earn below the average bya long distance. Its a few high outlyers dragging it up.

People are stupid, but if the government should serve the people, as in as many as possible.


Interesting article, even if just becuase i did have to thinka little before i decided make an attack on it.

The welfare part is ridiculous, the reason these people need benifits or top ups to abysmal earnings, well is because the rich are making profits by paying them less.

Its the "common man on the downhill grind, working away just enough to get by" who drives the economy by doing and helping the rich.

Every person who lives in a country permanently should, in principle, have a vote. Obviously this needs some restricting though as otherwise I could turn up in America, "yeah i want to live here" and vote, then leave. But in principle its those that live there that should decide, and not just the overclasses.

And he calls himself "Unashamed christian". Supporting that viewpoint is a Satanistic "put me first" kind of view which exploits the poor, which disgusts me. Its people like you that give organised religeon a bad name by ignoring the principles, how god would have wanted us to live (if he exists, im undecided right now). Respecting and protecting others. (i do know that whatever the truth is, that if we looked after eachother instead of trying to get the most out of eachother we can, we'd all be better off though)

"Starship Troopers", by Robert Heinlein. Not the fun but stupid movie with Denise Richards, the original book.
In it, the right to vote is determined by voluntary Federal service.
Every member of society, from eighteen years old, can volunteer for Federal service, lasting at least two years, the nature of which is determined by the abilities of the applicant.
It might be military, it might be unpleasant manual labour, you might die.
Only those who complete their term of service can vote.
Thus only those who are prepared to sacrifice several years, maybe a limb or two, and maybe their life, gain political power.
Similarly, political candidates must have done Federal service to stand for office.
No consideration of race or parentage, no consideration of wealth or income, no consideration of natural intelligence.
And, to emphasize, members of the military CANNOT vote until they leave the military.
Whaddya think?

Senators - Jon Corzine, Frank Lautenberg (I should move!)
Congressman - Rob Andrews (I should really move!)
Governor - Jim McGreevey (Why haven't I moved?)
President - George Bush
Vice President - Dick Cheney
Secretary of State - Colin Powell
National Security Advisor - Condoleeza Rice
Secretary of Defense - Donald Rumsfeld
Deputy Secretary of Defense - Paul Wolfowitz
Attorney General - John Ashcroft
Secretary of Labor - Elaine Chao
Secretary of Homeland Security - Tom Ridge
Secretary of Agriculture - Ann Veneman
Secretary of the Treasury - John Snow
Secretary of the Interior - Gale Norton
Secretary of Education - Rod Paige
Secretary of Commerce - Don Evans
Secretary of Transportation - Norman Mineta

As I recall.

I see you're from South Jersey.

To that I say AMEN! :p

i was all with him, until he got to harassing people on welfare, then ir ealized he was an ignorant republicon git and stopped reading

Senators: Elizabeth Dole and John Edwards (what were we thinking when we elected him?)
Congresman: Mike McIntyre (For once, a good Democrat, yes I know, that sounds like an oxymoron, but with this guy its not.)
Governor: Mike Easley (Yeah, everyone left their brains on the shelf when they elected this idiot)
Vice President: Dick Cheney

Oh, and anyone who is CEO has generally started from the ground up, they worked for their money. Thats capitalism baby. I know you liberals don't like it but it works, certainly a lot better than communism.

Senators: Elizabeth Dole and John Edwards (what were we thinking when we elected him?)
Congresman: Mike McIntyre (For once, a good Democrat, yes I know, that sounds like an oxymoron, but with this guy its not.)
Governor: Mike Easley (Yeah, everyone left their brains on the shelf when they elected this idiot)
Vice President: Dick Cheney

Oh, and anyone who is CEO has generally started from the ground up, they worked for their money. Thats capitalism baby. I know you liberals don't like it but it works, certainly a lot better than communism.
oh yeah, making sure EVERYONE has a job, a home, food, and water is the shittiest idea EVER

Ahhhh another "enlightened" thread from Unashamed Christians. During your struggle to control the US, you might want to consider the following traits that are not so Christian like?:

http://deadlysins.com/

Pride is excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.

Envy is the desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation.

Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.

Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.

Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.

Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.

Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.

Or if you really are a Christian, you might want to consider these?

The Seven Heavenly Virtues:
faith, hope, charity, fortitude, justice, temperance, prudence

The Heavenly Virtues combine the four Cardinal Virtues: prudence, temperance, fortitude -- or courage, and justice, with a variation of the theological virtues: faith, hope, and charity. I'm still researching the origins and popular usage of this formulation.

Have a great day!!

Oh, and anyone who is CEO has generally started from the ground up, they worked for their money. Thats capitalism baby. I know you liberals don't like it but it works, certainly a lot better than communism.

name a ceo that came out of compton. name a ceo that had a single parent. name one who came from a family on welfare. ceos might have started from middle class families, but i doubt many of them were legitamatly poor. and i bet a whole lot of them benifited from family money (the waltons, the kennedys, the heinzes, the bushes) than pulled themselves up by their own grit.

dont the rich get plenty of votes as it is now?

how many senators ARENT rich?

what about that gigantic tax break they just got from the (rather well-to-do) president?

i dont think the rich have shown themselves to be responsible enough to deserve extra votes on top of what they get now.

[Freedomstein #17]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unashamed Christians

Oh, and anyone who is CEO has generally started from the ground up, they worked for their money. Thats capitalism baby. I know you liberals don't like it but it works, certainly a lot better than communism.



name a ceo that came out of compton. name a ceo that had a single parent. name one who came from a family on welfare. ceos might have started from middle class families, but i doubt many of them were legitamatly poor. and i bet a whole lot of them benifited from family money (the waltons, the kennedys, the heinzes, the bushes) than pulled themselves up by their own grit.

And this excellent example of spelling, grammar, punctuation and word usage is so inspiring..!

:)

Well thought out,.. well formed,.. and well executed,.. well,... as well as you could manage.

I see NO CEO-ship in this one's future..!

Asleep at the Wheel
Neal Boortz
9/24/04

...

In anticipation of yet another knee-jerk response to my proposal that we limit voting, let me remind you that there is absolutely no constitutional guarantee of your right to vote in any federal election. Do some reading. It isn’t there. A latte to the person who can find anything in our Constitution that sounds remotely like “each citizen shall have the right to vote in a federal election.” Happy hunting.

the 14th, 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th amendments sure seem to strongly imply the existence of a general 'right to vote'. at least, that is how the courts have seen things.

And this excellent example of spelling, grammar, punctuation and word usage is so inspiring..!

:)

Well thought out,.. well formed,.. and well executed,.. well,... as well as you could manage.

I see NO CEO-ship in this one's future..![/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE]

P.S.

A full stop after a comma = bad grammar. ;)

Oh, and anyone who is CEO has generally started from the ground up, they worked for their money.

Could you possibly give us some facts that would back up this statement, or is this just hollow rhetoric?

Thats capitalism baby. I know you liberals don't like it but it works, certainly a lot better than communism.
So which economic system does God support?

So which economic system does God support?

Jesus was a carpenter. he was one of the working men, the lower class. Jesus was such a pinko commie. If heaven was a real nation, we'd have built even MORE nukes to stop them during the red scare :D

Its been a long time since I've posted here but I'm back. College exams be darned. To get all the liberals riled up and to get everyone mad at me, I'm here to post a rather serious article about voting:

Asleep at the Wheel
Neal Boortz
9/24/04

If you’re reading this on Friday, September 24th, there are 41 days until the election. Forty-one days until the voters of this country – the 20% who are truly qualified to cast a vote, the 60% who aren’t and the 20% whom you just can’t really get a handle on – will chose the next Commander in Chief of the U.S. armed forces; The next wartime Commander in Chief.

As you can tell from the first paragraph, I get a bit antsy just before major elections. On the morning of November 2nd hoards of people who haven’t had a working relationship with a clue since they took their first driver’s test are going to be participating in a decision-making process that will have profound implications of my life and the life of my child long after I’ve been tucked in for the eternal, celestial dirt nap.

Frankly, I’m scared to death.

I think that it would be a safe bet to say that somewhere around 35 to 40% of the voters who manage to find their way to the polling place on November 2nd are going to be voting with one thought in mind: Which one of the people on this ballot will take the most money away from people I don’t particularly like and then either give that money to or spend that money on me. If you want to talk about suppressing the vote … these are the people I would like to see locked in their homes on Election Day.

I am now and have been for years a firm advocate of developing a system to limit the people who can vote in this country. We need to find a way to restrict the number of people who can vote. If we don’t weed out the chaff soon it may well be too late.

Don’t give me that “democracy” nonsense. In spite of what you hear from your government school teacher, your leftist college professor, or that smiling talking head on television, we are not a democracy. Never were. Weren’t supposed to be. You won’t find the word “democracy” in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States or in any constitution of any of the 50 States. There’s a reason for that. Our founding fathers hated the idea of democracy. They knew that a government of majority rule would dissolve into a tyranny of plunder and chaos.

In anticipation of yet another knee-jerk response to my proposal that we limit voting, let me remind you that there is absolutely no constitutional guarantee of your right to vote in any federal election. Do some reading. It isn’t there. A latte to the person who can find anything in our Constitution that sounds remotely like “each citizen shall have the right to vote in a federal election.” Happy hunting.

Suggestions? OK, here you go. Chose the one you like the best and let’s start a movement.

1. Welfare recipients. Those who depend on government forced income redistribution should stay at home on election day and enjoy the fruits of plunder. With all the opportunity that America offers, if you haven’t managed to obtain some level of self-sufficiency by the time you’re a young adult then you should leave important decisions, like who’s going to lead this country, to more qualified citizens.

2. Voters without a clue. Less than one-fourth of Americans can name the two Senators from their home state. The majority of Americans can’t tell you who the Secretary of State or the Vice President is. As voters enter a polling place they should be given a simple short quiz. Name your congressman, your two Senators and the Vice President. Those who successfully answer ALL the questions get sent to a voting machine that actually works. Those who can’t pass this simple citizenship test get shuttled off to a voting machine with no innards. They can punch buttons to their heart’s content, but all they’re getting is some rather lame exercise. They voted, they’re happy. We know their votes don’t count. We’re ecstatic!

I have more ideas, but not enough space. For those of you who do believe strongly that everyone should be able to vote, I have an alternate proposal. President Calvin Coolidge once said that “The business of America is business.” Let’s put that concept to work at the voting booth. Let’s treat America like a business and make every American a shareholder. Shareholders get to vote their shares at the shareholder’s meeting every two years.

Did I say shares? Plural? Yup. Just as with any business corporation, not everyone has the same number of shares. Just how do you acquire shares in America, Inc.? Well, you have one share issued to you just by virtue of your being a citizen. You buy additional shares by paying income taxes.

Sounds intriguing, doesn’t it?

We can work on the numbers when we get closer to implementing the plan, but for now let’s just say that you get one additional share in America, Inc. for each $25,000 in income taxes you pay during the tax year preceding the election. If you paid $24,999.00 or less in income taxes in 2003, you get one vote in the 2004. Taxpayers forking over between $25,000 and $49,999 get two votes, and so on. A taxpayer who pays $200,000 in income taxes will be casting eight votes on election day. To keep Hillary from controlling an election the next time she gets a huge bonus to write a book we’ll go ahead and make eight the maximum number of votes any individual can cast.

Don’t you just love it? The people who actually fuel our economy with their hard work and attention to decisions will get a greater voice in the direction our country takes! What a concept!

end or article

Talk away, and try to stay on topic.Interesting idea, i have never thought about that, but I wouldnt necesarily support it.

[Refused Party Program]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iakeokeo
And this excellent example of spelling, grammar, punctuation and word usage is so inspiring..!



Well thought out,.. well formed,.. and well executed,.. well,... as well as you could manage.

I see NO CEO-ship in this one's future..!



P.S.

A full stop after a comma = bad grammar.

Very cool...! Thank you for the tip..! :)

Though I might argue that the entire phrase is meant as a continuous spoken statement, and the ",.." structure (admittedly non-standard) denotes "quasi-stop - continuation".

But then,... that's english for you..!

Much like art, or pornography,.. "you know when it's 'good' when you see it".

:D