NationStates Jolt Archive

I'd say Hitler.

Do you know what Josh calls him? Grandma-Man.

Ho Chi Minh

the man who murrdered 20 million of his own people

Stalin. He killed 20 million of his own people and ruined socialism in the eyes of the West.

Ho Chi Minh?!!!?? That's like comparing Madame Butterfly to Darth Vader! Ho Chi Minh is among the greatest heroes of all time!

Try Pinochet, who massacred over 100 000 in his first day as president of Chile, the US president who dropped a pair of nukes on Japan, Suhato, who executed over a million communists, the Stalinist Mao Tse Tung who plunged China into a dreadful depression, Idi Amin or Papa Doc even Baby Doc!! Reagan, Thatcher and Franco! But not Comrade Hoc Chin Minh.

There is no excuse for betraying socialism like Stalin did, but Ho Chi Minh is guilty only of leading his people tofreedom and fighting of an American invasion.

Other - ALL OF THE ABOVE!

I'd say Iakeokeo.

Charles Manson. Did Hitler kill more people? Yes but Charles Manson has a very wicked mind, more wicked then Hitler's was. Trust me, if hadn't gotten caught in the 70's things would be ALOT different today.

I personally don't think people are evil.

They just do evil things.

But that's just me.

surely it has to eve in the garden of evil. Ruined everything for the rest of us with that whole original sin thing.

The Antichrist, who has yet to come.

surely it has to eve in the garden of evil. Ruined everything for the rest of us with that whole original sin thing.

Good thing all it takes is a lil water on the forehead to fix that up! :D

Clearly it's Adam, framing Eve for original sin and such.

two things -

1: who is Ho Chi Minh?

2: that whole eve thing is just a metaphor for how women are to blame for everything - so if you say it was eve then you're saying that the most evil person ever is woman. You don't want to be saying that...

ever read the Lord of the Flies by William Golding?
Each and every one of us is evil, inherently.
we all have the potential to be nasty, like those in the poll.

The most evil person in history wasn't any mass-murdering dictator. They never did any of the killing themselves; they just signed death warrants and such like - they were shielded from it. The real evil fuckers are the ones that rip a person to pieces with their bare hands while laughing, and then eat their spleen.

Stalin. He killed 20 million of his own people and ruined socialism in the eyes of the West.

Good point, makes me re-think voting for Hitler but I think it's fair to say both did very evil things..

The Antichrist, who has yet to come.

go Read 1 John 2:18 and 2 John 7 buddy...

Well, IMHO:

Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini were evil. (And derranged as well, for the most part).
Idi Amin and Attila the Hun were ruthless, but not strictly "evil" (no, I'm not saying they were nice guys or supporting their actions)...maybe Idi was more evil than Attila - it is hard to judge Attila by modern day standards, considering the era when he lived...
George W Bush is a definitely nutjob, simpleton and religious zealot, but evil? If 10% of the things claimed in Fahrenheit 911 are true, then yes...
John Kerry, Bob Dole - I don't think either of them are evil.
Barney the Dinosaur - isn't a person, so cannot vie for most evil person ever...unless you mean the actor who plays him, in which case I would say not evil, he's just a man doing a job. And the writers/creators of Barney are ruthless and greedy, but not exactly evil...

I personally don't think people are evil.

They just do evil things.

But that's just me.

marry me please :fluffle:


and to all others: define evil

other,
to many choices, to many names not listed.

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Hitler, and or Dick Cheney, lol

The fact that Bush and Kerry combined have more votes than Hitler tells me that most of the voters here are morons. I'm a Republican who hates Kerry, but I don't hate him enough to call him worse than Hitler. Anyone who picked either of the candidates ought to be ashamed of themselves and stripped of their right to vote on the basis of being a moron.

If you mean person that has had the strongest negative effect, then it's probably Stalin. If you mean person that was the most evil personally, I think it's probably some no-name ruler sometime that none of us have heard about.

Evil is really subjective though. What one person calls evil another won't... so polls like this often don't work.

Of course I'm standing by my idea of what evil is :)

The fact that Bush and Kerry combined have more votes than Hitler tells me that most of the voters here are morons. I'm a Republican who hates Kerry, but I don't hate him enough to call him worse than Hitler. Anyone who picked either of the candidates ought to be ashamed of themselves and stripped of their right to vote on the basis of being a moron.

And you're not complaining that Barney is #2, after "other"? :p


LOL @ Fighting Virgins. :D

go Read 1 John 2:18 and 2 John 7 buddy...


I'm glad someone here actually reads their Bible to make a religious argument.

For those to lazy to look up those scriptures I'll post them here.

1 John 2:18-23:
"18Dear children, the last hour is here. You have heard that the Antichrist is coming, and already many such antichrists have appeared. From this we know that the end of the world has come. 19These people left our churches because they never really belonged with us; otherwise they would have stayed with us. When they left us, it proved that they do not belong with us. 20But you are not like that, for the Holy Spirit has come upon you,[4] and all of you know the truth. 21So I am writing to you not because you don't know the truth but because you know the difference between truth and falsehood. 22And who is the great liar? The one who says that Jesus is not the Christ. Such people are antichrists, for they have denied the Father and the Son. 23Anyone who denies the Son doesn't have the Father either. But anyone who confesses the Son has the Father also."

and 2 John 7-11:
"7Many deceivers have gone out into the world. They do not believe that Jesus Christ came to earth in a real body. Such a person is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8Watch out, so that you do not lose the prize for which we[3] have been working so hard. Be diligent so that you will receive your full reward. 9For if you wander beyond the teaching of Christ, you will not have fellowship with God. But if you continue in the teaching of Christ, you will have fellowship with both the Father and the Son.
10If someone comes to your meeting and does not teach the truth about Christ, don't invite him into your house or encourage him in any way. 11Anyone who encourages him becomes a partner in his evil work."

This goes to prove that there is no, nor ever will be any one great "Antichrist: Herald of the Apocolypse," but all people who denouce Jesus as the Christ are anticrists.
(For example: atheists would count as anichrists. I'm not trying to say anyhting bad about atheists, I'm just pointing out what the Bible says.)

:mp5: :mp5: It's gotta be myrth. The man is worse than manson OR Hitler or stalin or barney or me or even HIlary Duff. IT HAS TO BE MYRTH. :sniper: We must oust myrth.

Pol Pot was pretty bad...but I'll take Mao Tse-Tung, just based on body count alone.

Myrth > j00




pockets his $10

Other bad ones not necessarily in order

Stalin
Pol Pot
Mao Tse- tung
Ho Chi Minch
and others

You forgot to add one to your list

President Fidel Castro of Cuba, President Dictador for life
how would people who voted for president Bush
like to live with President Bush for life
loose or win he will be gone after 2008.

over tens of thousands of Cubans leave the
island paradise every year on anything that floats
boats, rafts, inner tubes, a floating truck,
across 90 miles of shark infested waters.

People have hung on planes,
one lady after emigrating to the Bahamas
mailed herself in a wooden box to the evil USA
under president Bush.

I can go on and on
but the list is long.

Thank You.

Al Gore because he stole almost all of RALPH NADER'S VOTES!!!111!!11!11!11!!!1!oneoneone!!shiftshift111

Loriano Macchavelli who wrote The Prince.

I nominate Carl Jung.

Loriano Macchavelli who wrote The Prince.

Loriano? Since when?

The spawn of Satan from the Sci-Fi channel that canceled Farscape.

The nun who was principal of the Catholic school I attended as a child.

[OceanDrive #7]
I'd say Iakeokeo.


:D

Heh he he he he he....!

Yeah for me..!

Though I'm not so much EVIL,.. as annoying.

..and an asshole. :)

this thread is misguided...

Hitler was a genius, but an evil one that manipulated the good people around him as puppets.

Bush is a moron, with evil all around him that uses him for a puppet.

BTW that is not talking about US citizens in general, so lets not start that fight...

i wish for that comment to be considered limited to those on Capital Hill.

this thread is misguided...

Hitler was a genius, but an evil one that manipulated the good people around him as puppets.

Bush is a moron, with evil all around him that uses him for a puppet.
hitler wasn't a genius beceause he thought there was actually a super-human

hitler wasn't a genius beceause he thought there was actually a super-human
no, he was a genius because he had an amazing IQ, the ability to direct influence in an almost imesurable capacity, and an understanding of the intricacies of politics that is still unrivalled.

In no way does his evil, or his misinterpretation of Nietzsche make him less genius - it just makes him insane.

Barney gave me nightmares, I don't think anyone else on that list have done that..

Che Guevara- a person who was trained to be a docter but then set up Castro's prisons. The man's favorite doctor's tool was a baseball bat. Very messed up.

BARNEY!

The horror........the horror.......

me!!

I think Stalin was the worst. He killed 20 million people in 2 years, trained the Nazi army in USSR, killed a whole bunch of generals before the war, didn't prepare dany defense against Hitler even though all of the agents and the German ambassador in Moscow told him that Germany is going to invade USSR, but he just didn't listen!

There is a lot more :gundge:

anyone going to reply to that?

But if Stalin hadnt of led his country to victory, then the Hitler may have won world war 2 and then History would no doubt have been a lot worse. This lets me forgive him a bit, as you can argue with hindsight that what he did was needed.

Hitler was just plain evil (before anybody points out that nobody is inherintly evil and that we are all capable of evil, I agree. but the difference between most people and most of those on that list is that we dont choose to give in and do things which are extrememly immoral and evil)

But if Stalin hadnt of led his country to victory, then the Hitler may have won world war 2 and then History would no doubt have been a lot worse. This lets me forgive him a bit, as you can argue with hindsight that what he did was needed.

Hitler was just plain evil (before anybody points out that nobody is inherintly evil and that we are all capable of evil, I agree. but the difference between most people and most of those on that list is that we dont choose to give in and do things which are extrememly immoral and evil)


You don't get the point, do you? First of all Hitler wouldn't have a powerfull army if Stalin didn't train the large Armies!
Second, if Stalin had listend to his advisors, the USSR would set up a defence.

Third, Stalin killed very many high offiecers before Germany invaded the USSR!

So Stalin betrayed his country and the world! if someone else was there, the Germans would have lost the war very quickly! :sniper:

But there is no evidence to support your " if someone else was there, the Germans would have lost the war very quicly" claim is there? Thats pure speculation.

I am going on what we know, which is that the German army was only defeated due to its failed assualt on the USSR, and it would most likely have knocked Britain out of the war if it had been able to get troops over to that front so as to launch an ivasion. If that had happened then the Allies would have been sunk.

Who says that Stalin didn't prepare for an invasion?! As soon as his agents in Japan told him that there were no threat in the east he moved troops from Siberia to the west. With his pact with Hitler he had time to move the factorys in the west to the other side of the uralmountains.

http://www.2worldwar2.com/leaders.htm
http://www.paralumun.com/waroperationbarbarossa.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwtwo/leningrad_betrayal_02.shtml


Here you go!

I'm opting for the guy that came up with the idea for elevator music being piped thru stores, or the guy who thought of it being used when you're put on hold.
Surely these are actions of only a truly evil person? All the ppl in the poll seriously thought they were doing some good. But elevator music? The inventor knew this was an evil attack on human sensibilities. And we have no choice in the matter in hearing it.
Pure unadulterated evil.

Evil to me is enjoying the suffering of others. Killing for power is evil, but doing for pleasure is worse.

Good is someone who enjoys making other people happy. Its still about feeling good, but you get kickds from making life better for others.

Im not sure who the most evil person ever is, because there may be more evil people, who just havent had the chance.

Bill Gates.

Loriano Macchavelli who wrote The Prince.

That's Niccolo Machiavelli. And I won't have a word said against him - he was a really nice guy - you should read his letters, or his comedy The Mandrake Root. He got a bad reputation because of one paragraph in The Prince (which was a job application to Lorenzo de Medici, not a statement of his own political opinion - that came in The Discourses on Livy, where he gave his impassioned defence of democracy). People think he said in The Prince "the ends justify the means". What he said was 'si garda al fine' - 'one must consider the end result', in other words international politics is so complex that in judging someone's actions, you can't just consider what you think the best or most moral course of action is, you also have to consider what the result of that action was.

IMO Machiavelo was the greatest political mind, his book is fascinating,

"El Principe" is a lot about the Dark side of Politics, and he dared to write about tnem...

Dr Evil

I think it's really stupid that GWB has 21 votes. No one seriously thinks he's the most evil person ever.

Bah. Most evil person ever? Me.

Seriously, 'evil' is an abstract term for me, I prefer calling people names like 'biggest mass-murderer in the history of mankind' than 'most evil person'. Sounds better. (and that would be Stalin :D)

Well, IMHO:

George W Bush is a definitely nutjob, simpleton and religious zealot, but evil? If 10% of the things claimed in Fahrenheit 911 are true, then yes...


Well, be fair, its Cheney and Rove who are the evil ones. They just use Dubya for his folksey-ness while whose two have less charisma than a horde of zombies.

Evil is not just to kill people, evil, is to make people unhappy, to make them suffer and you should enjoy it, then you are evil.. well, Almost like me... (on games :D)

So noone of those to vote for are truly evil, i don't think anyone really is truly evil, because evryone got some good in them, except for me when i play ;)

President Fidel Castro of Cuba,

over tens of thousands of Cubans leave the
island paradise every year on anything that floats
boats, rafts, inner tubes, a floating truck,
across 90 miles of shark infested waters.

People have hung on planes,
one lady after emigrating to the Bahamas
mailed herself in a wooden box to the evil USA
under president Bush.



Yeah and lots of americans entered canada during the Vietnam era under political asylum to keep themselves from being forced into the military against their will. Of course I won't give Castro a clean slate. Just don't give your own country a superior stance when it has a sketchy past itself.

To add there is also the circumstances that created Castro. The US did support the former dictator Baptista and those two did overthrow the asshole.

The new boss may be bad but there is obviously more to this story than what the government and Florida (Baptista) Cubans are telling us. Then there was the Elian deal. They preferred Cuba over living in America after being given the chance to defect. Any rumours that Castro was somehow threatening to kill or imprison their relatives if they didn't return are just that, rumours.

And it doesn't really matter if Bush is running the US or not as far as a Cuban is concerned. If they can still get all that swag any dimwit can be running the joint.

It isn't really surprising that many would want to leave Cuba if a large community in Florida (with support by the government) was there to give them all the luxuries they could imagine after years of sanctions have crippled what could be a bustling economy.

It reminds me of a discussion I had in a CNN forum when I asked why Elian and his dad didn't just defect. I got a sound thrashing from a man married to a Cuban woman and he told me how she considers america a place 'where you are constantly lied to in order to buy things' (paraphrase). Cuba on the other hand was a much more trustworthy place in comparison and more peaceful if you can believe it.

I found that amazing and that is what really got me interested in politics and international stuff (and that's what inevitably led me to NationStates). :)

Why sanction Cuba when we give worse communist countries (namely China) a green flag? Grudges remaining from Baptista and the Bay of Pigs thingy naturally. Wouldn't it make more sense to open up the doors of capitalism to Cuba and speed up its transformation to a less communist state?

I would certainly not say Castro is 'the most evil'.

John Kerry. Or Cher.

John Kerry. Or Cher.

I'm hoping this is a joke response. :rolleyes:

*post requests to justify why Kerry is worse than Hitler right here*

[MariahC #64]
John Kerry. Or Cher.


Heh he he he he he he...!!


My vote:

Any leftist over the age of 24.

Or Cher.

In my opinion you cant really define evil. You can define madness, such as hitler, and insanity with stalin but evil isnt really a good way to judge somebody.

especially when somebody like barney is included in the vote.

Stalin. He killed 20 million of his own people and ruined socialism in the eyes of the West.
I thought the Soviet Union was commy. :confused: I know. Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, but I always thought they were really communist. Kind of like the so-called "People's Republic" of China.

And btw, my vote was Hitler. He was highly competitive w/ Stalin when it came to murdering citizens. Of course, Hitler concentrated (definitely no pun intended as what he did was very serious) on Jews, making him anti-semetic.

I think that Stalin was more evil than Hitler because Hitler was driven by ideology whereas Stalin was driven by self-preserving paranoia and outright power-corruption.

Hitler set out to take over Germany and kill all the people *he* thought were evil, to save Germany and his people.

Stalin killed millions out of simple paranoia and, for lack of a better word, evil.

Hitler was genuinely concerned for the German people throughout most of his rule, Stalin never cared about anything but himself.

Both men were wicked evil scum, but I think Stalin was the worse of the two.

I would say hitler. The things he did can only be described as pure evil you cant say it was just insanity he went beyond that and i personally hope and pray no human is ever again born with the ability to do what he did.

Child molesters/rapists/killers. :mad:

Pol Pot

no, he was a genius because he had an amazing IQ, the ability to direct influence in an almost imesurable capacity, and an understanding of the intricacies of politics that is still unrivalled.

In no way does his evil, or his misinterpretation of Nietzsche make him less genius - it just makes him insane.


Isn't it funny how often genius and insanity go hand-in-hand?

The fact that Bush and Kerry combined have more votes than Hitler tells me that most of the voters here are morons. I'm a Republican who hates Kerry, but I don't hate him enough to call him worse than Hitler. Anyone who picked either of the candidates ought to be ashamed of themselves and stripped of their right to vote on the basis of being a moron.
Obviously, the poll is supposed to be funny. But I voted for Hitler, anyhow.

Josef Stalin (spit) indefinitely. Hitler had good intentions. Personally, I believe the merciless massacre of the Jews was not his doing (Heinrich Himmler did alot of that crap), and it is a proven fact that Adolf Hitler was a devout Christian man (Christian was in Joan of Arc Christian) and as New Granada said, he genuinely cared for the German people. Stalin however was a selfish man who murdered over 20 million people, regardless of ethnicity or whatever. Many of those murderers were not even dissidents. Furthermore, the state of the economy under Stalin was appalling despite his ruthless efforts to industrialise the USSR. Stalin is, without a doubt, the most evil, work-sucking scum bag that ever crawled on the face of the earth. Plus he was a common thug and bandit in his early years. Even Hitler himself hated Stalin, calling him a common blood-stained thug!

I personally don't think people are evil.

They just do evil things.

But that's just me.


I agree. All of those people on the list must have done something right to rise to the positions they are/were in. I'm sure they achieved some good points in their life, even if they are obscured by time and retrospect.


Tho, I'm not too sure about Barney the Dinosaur.

Its got to be Timurlame.... he was a exceptionally ruthless barbarian tribal leader in the early 15th Century who incidently conquered most of India, Afghanistan and the various central asian nations (the various other stans) and inflicted severe havoc in Iran as well...

his troops liked to build the literal pyramid of skulls from the slaughtered city dwellers of the lands he conquered.....

second place has got to be Genghis Khan... and for sheer ability to inflict massive disruption, he wins the prize.... he conquered ALL of Asia north of the Himalayan / Vietnamese jungle and there are lands in Central Asia that STILL have not recovered from his conquest.... also known for building pyramids of skulls in the wreckage of pillaged cities.. and he literally killed millions when the population of Asia was a tenth of what it is today...but at least he brought something useful (peace and order, safe travel and economic prosperity, believe it or not) afterwards... if you submited, he didn't slaughter you and lots of people picked up the lesson real quick...

Timurlame just liked to kill and didn't see the use of farmers or city dwellers so submitting didn't help much

proportionally neither has been topped (although in sheer numbers Stalin is the winner with Hitler coming in second)....

Mao hands down. Not only did he bring China into an age of darkness with years of self destructive civil war. He also killed millions more than Stalin. He even marched his own people through mushroom clouds to test their effectiveness on human specimens. He was one evil sob. Stalin is the only one who even comes close.

Its got to be Timurlame.... he was a exceptionally ruthless barbarian tribal leader in the early 15th Century who incidently conquered most of India, Afghanistan and the various central asian nations (the various other stans) and inflicted severe havoc in Iran as well...

his troops liked to build the literal pyramid of skulls from the slaughtered city dwellers of the lands he conquered.....

second place has got to be Genghis Khan... and for sheer ability to inflict massive disruption, he wins the prize.... he conquered ALL of Asia north of the Himalayan / Vietnamese jungle and there are lands in Central Asia that STILL have not recovered from his conquest.... also known for building pyramids of skulls in the wreckage of pillaged cities.. and he literally killed millions when the population of Asia was a tenth of what it is today...but at least he brought something useful (peace and order, safe travel and economic prosperity, believe it or not) afterwards... if you submited, he didn't slaughter you and lots of people picked up the lesson real quick...

Timurlame just liked to kill and didn't see the use of farmers or city dwellers so submitting didn't help much

proportionally neither has been topped (although in sheer numbers Stalin is the winner with Hitler coming in second)....

Chingis Khan was no more ruthless than his contemporaries at the time. I mean the mongols would give people offers of surrender before hand. I think many documents are skewed toward Batu, and Chingis being terrible people because these people served 200 years under mongol invasion.
I will say Chingis Khan was ruthless but look at what colonial Americans did to the natives. We savagely spread out small pox infected material. We brought in Seminoles under a banner of truce and shot them while they were unarmed. I dare you to find anything that disgusting from Chingis.... Chingis believed in honorable warfare. The only reason so many people hate him and his rule was simply because he knew how to wage war.

yeah, stalin....i agree though, that people aren't evil, they just do evil things. Stalin had too much power, and instead of using it for the good, as he could have, he abused it. On the other hand, I believe that without Stalin, the russians could never have won WW2....we would be living in a Nazi world today. So i guess really, I'd say stalin but he did some good things too....I don't think its possible to have a 'purely evil' person.

mind you...Barney the purple dinosaur scares me too...he smiles too much. he must have some plot to take over the world and kill us all :eek:

Ho Chi Minh?!!!?? That's like comparing Madame Butterfly to Darth Vader! Ho Chi Minh is among the greatest heroes of all time!

Try Pinochet, who massacred over 100 000 in his first day as president of Chile, the US president who dropped a pair of nukes on Japan, Suhato, who executed over a million communists, the Stalinist Mao Tse Tung who plunged China into a dreadful depression, Idi Amin or Papa Doc even Baby Doc!! Reagan, Thatcher and Franco! But not Comrade Hoc Chin Minh.

There is no excuse for betraying socialism like Stalin did, but Ho Chi Minh is guilty only of leading his people tofreedom and fighting of an American invasion.

Ho Chi Mihn is hardly a hero. Maybe in comparison to Bao Dia he is. But he is hardly the hero you make him out to be.

yeah, stalin....i agree though, that people aren't evil, they just do evil things. Stalin had too much power, and instead of using it for the good, as he could have, he abused it. On the other hand, I believe that without Stalin, the russians could never have won WW2....we would be living in a Nazi world today. So i guess really, I'd say stalin but he did some good things too....I don't think its possible to have a 'purely evil' person.

Stalin was a foolish leader in WW2. He locked himself in his bedroom in disbelief he was attacked. He killed 50% or more of his officers be he was paranoid as hell. How does that at all help you win a war? Russian's won the war by sheer numbers and brutality.
When you don't care about your people which is common in communism. You can do very well in war. You can send them unarmed into bullet streams. Stalin was not an aberration of the revolutionary he was the thesis for it. The gulags and the brutality were there long before him in 1917 and they continued after him. So why do people link him with all of the Soviet Unions woes?

Its got to be Timurlame....
Not Vlad the Impaler?

One that certainly should have been on the list was Pol Pot - I really should do the calculations on percentage of own population murdered to compare him with Stalin and Hitler, but I would wager he was worse. And as for Stalin v. Hitler.. Stalin murdered, in addition to his own people, something between 1 and 2 million German POWs at the end of WW2 (insignificant compared to the domestic body count he acquired, but still...) He did, however, join the rest of the world in the fight (after Hitler attacked, so not really a point in his favor.)
And Hitler did try to dispose of germany's jewish population in other ways before the concentration camps were formed, that is why the term 'final solution' was coined. Neville Chamberlain could be on the list too, since he allowed Hitler to become a threat, and he was one (of many) who refused jewish refugees from germany when germany was attempting to deport the jews, rather than executing them.

Russians also had the greatest tank of the war that could be mass produced. For every panzer there were 6 Russian equivilents. The red army swarmed into Poland after the starving and freezing. And like good communists they were order by Kruschev (good communist) to rape all the Germen women in retaliation.
In communism people are not ends in themselves they are ends to the greatness of the revolution.

Ho Chi Mihn is hardly a hero. Maybe in comparison to Bao Dia he is. But he is hardly the hero you make him out to be.

Please explain how Reagan and Thatcher are evil. Then explain how the war would've ended had (Truman) *the president at the time of Hiroshima/Nagasaki since you obviously failed history.

Me! But since there isn't a "me" option, I voted Stalin. . .followed closely by Barny. (The Horror)

note my username
i still think Bush isn't as evil
and you have to remember that hitler isn't neccersaryly "EVIL" it's just another one of those people who can't achieve their dreams (being an artist) and finds an outlet for that anger (that, mixed with his oratory skills and extreme anti-semetist beliefs) :sniper:

Vlad, although pretty impressively ruthlessly cruel, is a minor leaguer compared to some of the others of the preindustrial age....

if you really want to go back, well, some of the Assyrian Kings were pretty awful too.... whole cities slaughtered.. of course, they, like the Romans, Mongols and Alexander the Great would offer mercy if you surrendered before they attacked.... but the sheer slaughter was evil as could be.. and these guys and their troops killed people to old fashioned way... with swords.

the Modern Period has leaders who killed more in sheer numbers, but only Pol Pot comes close in proportion of people killed to the local population as compared to the Assyrians, Julius Caesar (roughly one third of Gaul killed, one third sold as slaves), Titus (ever hear of the Jewish Revolt?), the Mongols, the Taters (Timur the Lame), and lets not forget the destruction of Tyre by Alexander the Great...

the Sack of Jerusalem by the Crusaders in 1096 hasnt been forgotten by the Moslems by the way (were the Crusaders killed everybody, including Coptic Christians, Jews, Moslems and even Greek Christians... a thorough bunch)

Say what you will about Stalin and Hitler.... they were at least somewhat selective (unless your were a threat, or the wrong ethnicity of course)....Pol Pot on the other hand was killing a third of his people and not even Stalin comes close to that proportion (and you could technically I suppose make the case that as a Georgian he wasn't really killing his own people anyway since most of the Soviet Union was everybody else but Georgians)...

For the most minor of the evil killers though, your average serial killer (if there is such a thing as an average serial killer) is probably more evil than just about any of the of the political leaders mentioned so far...

they kill for essentially a form of sexual gratification, a selfish, pointless, wasteful and as purely an evil act as can be described.... at least the political leaders where trying for something more than just power for its own sake (usually they had an agenda, even Pol Pot.... even Amin had some kind of vision and was trying to put his tribe on top)...

btw i voted for stalin

I also believe that our current life (in the US anyway) is quite scary
a)think about boy scouts -- - -- - -- it's JUST LIKE HITLER YOUTH... even the oath thingy is SIMILAR!!!
b)the whole place is riddled with propaganda
c)the elections are mostly in the hands of the electoral college)
d)there are Fbi and people EVERYWHERE

and yes i am somewhat paranoid

To just say 'evil' is too vague. You need to quantify it for the term to have any meaning. Also, to include the two current presidential candidates shows either a lack of perspective or a lack of a grasp of history.

the leader of north korea, kim jong-il is definetly the most evil living person. funny thing is though that he is completely fuckin ridiculous, he looks like some evil genious out of a bond movie of the sixties. fuckin deranged madman dr. evil wannabe http://www.sachsreport.com/kim%20jong%20%20il.jpg

I would have to say that Hitler would be the worst because he was responsible for killing off so many people, but Stalin killed more than Hitler did and Stalin killed his own people, but then I remembered all the things Mao Zedong did to the Chinese.

btw i voted for stalin

I also believe that our current life (in the US anyway) is quite scary
a)think about boy scouts -- - -- - -- it's JUST LIKE HITLER YOUTH... even the oath thingy is SIMILAR!!!
b)the whole place is riddled with propaganda
c)the elections are mostly in the hands of the electoral college)
d)there are Fbi and people EVERYWHERE

and yes i am somewhat paranoid

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH...
a) The Boy Scouts have been around for many years. They include every religion, ethicity and belief system. Unlike the Hitler youth they are not drafted into the Waffen SS. They do not throw stones and jews. Im pretty sure the Boy Scouts have never comitted genocidal acts.

b) Ya Micheal Moore, CBS and Fox News do get a bunch of air time. Although I wouldn't say everything is propaganda.

c) They always have been and I hope they always will be. If you haven't check the constitution yet the founders made the electoral college. So its not a recent phenominon.

d) Apparently there weren't enough on September 11th...

The spawn of Satan from the Sci-Fi channel that canceled Farscape.
I share your pain...I hear there's a couple of telemovies planned, though...

*looks at votes*

How pathetic. George Bush is 3rd on the list for most evil person :roll:

Ho Chi Minh?!!!?? That's like comparing Madame Butterfly to Darth Vader! Ho Chi Minh is among the greatest heroes of all time!

Try Pinochet, who massacred over 100 000 in his first day as president of Chile, the US president who dropped a pair of nukes on Japan, Suhato, who executed over a million communists, the Stalinist Mao Tse Tung who plunged China into a dreadful depression, Idi Amin or Papa Doc even Baby Doc!! Reagan, Thatcher and Franco! But not Comrade Hoc Chin Minh.

There is no excuse for betraying socialism like Stalin did, but Ho Chi Minh is guilty only of leading his people tofreedom and fighting of an American invasion.

Ho Chi Minh is responsible for millions of Vietnamese deaths. Calling him a hero is like calling Stalin a capitalist.

Who voted for Bob Dole? I don't like the guy, but c'mon! How is he the most evil person ever? :confused:

Wow, Bush is almost at Stalins and Hitlers rate. Keep on doing the Nazi Job Georgyboy, a small extra and you are just as famous as your idols: Adolf and Joe :D

Most evil person.....


The inventor of the Sniper Smiley.


I don't know their name.

I personally don't think people are evil.

They just do evil things.

But that's just me.

1) The above is the dumbest thing said in this thread.
2) The very fact that President Bush is included in the lineup of murderers and God haters is reprehensible.
3) Anyone who voted that GWB is the most evil is either just a smartass thinking it's "funny" to do such a thing or is in need of a lobotomy ... and a punch in the eye. Sterilization would be an alternative.
4) Satan is the MOST evil person ever. This isn't an opinion, it is a fact. There is not other answer. Everyone else, Hitler, Stalin, Hillary Clinton, are just copycats of their father.
5) We are all born into this world "evil" -- enemies of God and egocentric to the core. Those who deny original sin and the fact that we are all born into it, deny all objective reason, deny truth, deny human experience, and embrace self delusion. They deserve their end.

1) The above is the dumbest thing said in this thread.
2) The very fact that President Bush is included in the lineup of murderers and God haters is reprehensible.
3) Anyone who voted that GWB is the most evil is either just a smartass thinking it's "funny" to do such a thing or is in need of a lobotomy ... and a punch in the eye. Sterilization would be an alternative.
4) Satan is the MOST evil person ever. This isn't an opinion, it is a fact. There is not other answer. Everyone else, Hitler, Stalin, Hillary Clinton, are just copycats of their father.
5) We are all born into this world "evil" -- enemies of God and egocentric to the core. Those who deny original sin and the fact that we are all born into it, deny all objective reason, deny truth, deny human experience, and embrace self delusion. They deserve their end.

1) The above is the dumbest thing said in this thread.
2) You are a fucking nut.
3) You need to stop fantasizing about sterilizing or labotomizing people who have legitimate reasons for disliking Bush.
4) You lump Hillary Clinton with Hitler? LMFAO.
5) Wow, you know some big words. Go back to jerking off on your Bible. I don't need to hear your preaching here.

1) The above is the dumbest thing said in this thread.
2) You are a fucking nut.
3) You need to stop fantasizing about sterilizing or labotomizing people who have legitimate reasons for disliking Bush.
4) You lump Hillary Clinton with Hitler? LMFAO.
5) Wow, you know some big words. Go back to jerking off on your Bible. I don't need to hear your preaching here.
1) This is now the dumbest in the thread
2) Including any of the last few presidents or candidates is stupid and biased
3) Some people like Bush others don't...I'm over it you're over it you just don't know it yet
4) Yeah...I'm not even gonna comment
5) Reality doesn't care if you believe it or not

2) The very fact that President Bush is included in the lineup of murderers and God haters is reprehensible.
3) Anyone who voted that GWB is the most evil is either just a smartass thinking it's "funny" to do such a thing or is in need of a lobotomy ... and a punch in the eye. Sterilization would be an alternative.
4) Satan is the MOST evil person ever. This isn't an opinion, it is a fact. There is not other answer. Everyone else, Hitler, Stalin, Hillary Clinton, are just copycats of their father.
5) We are all born into this world "evil" -- enemies of God and egocentric to the core. Those who deny original sin and the fact that we are all born into it, deny all objective reason, deny truth, deny human experience, and embrace self delusion. They deserve their end.

Hmm. Fact. In what way is the existence of Satan a 'fact'?
On 3 - I'll take the punch in the eye, thanks.
Is George Bush evil? I think evil is a strong word, and probably over-used. Is he a fuckwit? Unquestionably, but in spite of the damage he has done around the world, he evidently still isn't in the same category as Hitler and Stalin. Including the relatively inoffensive Hilary Clinton just shows how deranged you religious Right types are.

But take a chill pill, guy. It's just a forum. No-one takes it seriously or anything.

bump

I see a few on here say that people merely do evil things, but aren't actually evil. I'm not going to call you idiots for that belief*, just the term I learned in HS (11th grade to be exact) for those people: transendentalists.

* - actually, I never thought of whether I agree or disagree w/ transendentalism.

Definitely Stalin

I am appalled. Bush got almost as many votes as Stalin! :eek:

I mean, c'mon, he isn't that bad...is he? :confused: